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Date Posted: 16:49:38 04/13/05 Wed
Author: elia
Subject: Re: What would you consider "manipulation"?
In reply to: Joe 's message, "Re: What would you consider "manipulation"?" on 10:42:55 04/13/05 Wed

hi,
concerning manipulation:
you wrote ""Wanting to manipulate" and "unconsciously manipulating with good intentions" are two different things". and actually that's my opinion. i don't believe that anyone here in cologne manipulates on purpose or out of badness... of course, i don't think, that all the advice i've gotten or anyone else has gotten were the best advices just because they're were given by ubf members. but i haven't had the feeling that anyone wanted to harm me or anyone else.

"I understand that there was some forcing in Abe Lee's interfering in the mentioned marriage. Or should we see that in "the positive way?""
actually i read that, too. but believe me in this point: not everything that is written on ubf-info is true. at least there are things which can be misleading.
just because there is written "Abraham Lee interfered in the typical UBF way with the marriage of Markus Keum’s daughter." everybody thinks: "oh, that again, a ubf leader who manipulates another wedding and forcing people to do this or that." (in fact, none of that is written.)
THIS situation wasn't that way. i don't think that i'm allowes to comment too much on that thing. but i was present and i can witness that this concern wasn't just the typical stereotyped ubf "thing". believe me.

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