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Date Posted: 09:52:50 05/15/04 Sat
Author: ExUBFerCincinnati
Subject: Re: Indoctrination
In reply to: Chris 's message, "Indoctrination" on 05:24:01 05/15/04 Sat

>Here is another article on the keyword rel=nofollow target=_blank >href="http://www.upalumni.org/medschool/appendices/appe
>ndix-36.html">Indoctrination. You may compare this
>with your experience in UBF. Not only some, but all of
>these points apply to UBF.
Hi, thanks for the link, I have to say in my experience most of the things mentioned in this article thankfully do not apply to me, but I would like to comment on a few things that did apply to me in UBF Cincinnati.

The Things that apply:
The article mentioned finger pointing and that was something I believe was a problem. At CinctiUBF we were divided up into fellowships based on what university you were responsible with. Anyway my fellowship leader was Jonas Chen. And I have to tell you we both came into UBF about the same time and we were both the same age so because of this we developed a friendship, but as time went on it started to strain because as we moved up the ranks he would point out my short comings as a "shepard" which I most often found to be unfair, thus in frustration I would point out his short comings, like how he would never go to the universities to fish for students, even though he was our leader, and so on. So the point here is that what started off as a good thing in many ways became corrupte IMHO by the pressures put on the Shepards for high performance.

Second, the issue of self righteousness I believe was another problem. Some UBFers like Sam Zun and Jonas did not like to listen to other preachers or visit other churches becasue they beleived everybody else's message was "too worldly" or something to that effect. For myself I had no problems listening to other preachers and if I wasn't required to be at all UBF services, I would even liked to have visit other churches, but I also believed that UBF messages were the best because they placed so much emphasis on "mission" and "discipleship". So after a few years I had problems visiting my old home church and listen to the messages because I beleived they were not as spiritually "mature" as UBF messages.
Finally I know once I got out of UBF, I was very badly hurt. I had considered UBF not perfect but still the ministry I needed to be in so once I was kicked out I felt lost, abandoned, confused, and very, very angry. I'm still recovering from trust issues I have with Chucrch leadership and God.
And of course we were constantly kept busy. On the other hand I think what did help me out both in and out of UBF was:
First, before coming to UBF I already had a strong foundation in Christ, so UBF wasn't the only source of gospel information for me, and I could thus reason about what was being preached on my own.

Second, I didn't live near the UBF Cincinnati Student Center. I lived about 13 miles away in Kentucky so I believe by living that far away UBF could not just stop buy to visit/rebuke on a whim, unlike the other members who lived literally no more than a mile or two from the center. but Alas, I believe this lso hurt becaue I always felt that I was never on equal terms with Cincinnati UBF because I was from Kentucky. As Sam Zun would say I'm a Kentucky Boy, but I never heard anyone called a Ohio Boy, or any moniker like that. Sorry If it sounds silly, you just have to experience it to understand it.

Third, I had plenty of family and friends to keep me socially active while I was in UBF and to support me once I left.
Sorry for the long winded post, but there is so much to say.

In Christ,
Robert

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