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Date Posted: 16:54:12 10/11/04 Mon
Author: John
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Development of UBF Lite

I wrote to what I believe to be Chris's website, but then subsequently found the forum. I apologize to Chris for the duplication.

I am part of what used to be the International Churches of Christ. I've seen some comments on ex-UBF sites that talk about similarities between the two organizations, and I believe the comparisons are quite accurate.

My interest is in the history and development of CMI as a sort of UBF Lite. My understanding is that leaders of what is now known as CMI wanted to address past abuses, but maintain the work already done by the UBF. From what I have been able to read, it seems like that it is pretty much a kinder,gentler version of the same bad doctrine and practice.

From my own experience, the ICoC seems to be following the same course. As one of their leading teachers wrote in his resignation letter, his church was still focused or a leader-centric ministry approach. In other comments, he has spoken of an ICC Lite that still practices the ICC form of 'discipling' and structure, but promises to be nice to each other.

Regarding CMI, is this what is happening there? Is it just like UBF, but everyone plays nice to each other? To give some small credit to ICC Leaders, there seems to be a real effort to do everything possible to acknowledge past errors (granted, these efforts fall short of getting outside help) and hear the other side of issues. I don't think it gets to the heart of the mattter at all, but I wanted to be somewhat fair.

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Replies:

A comparision of ICC with UBF -- Chris, 08:56:43 10/12/04 Tue
- ICC reform process -- Chris, 09:58:12 10/12/04 Tue
- History of ICC reform efforts -- John, 12:32:17 10/12/04 Tue
  - Sources -- John, 14:06:09 10/12/04 Tue
  - Re: History of ICC reform efforts -- Chris, 14:25:29 10/12/04 Tue
    - Marriage by faith -- John, 16:03:11 10/12/04 Tue
      - how did they justify this? -- Nick T., 16:19:24 10/12/04 Tue
        Arranged marriages pt 2 -- John, 17:16:38 10/12/04 Tue
        Re: how did they justify this? -- John, 17:22:36 10/12/04 Tue
        Re: how did they justify this? -- Chris, 01:54:01 10/13/04 Wed
    - The rules of dating -- John, 16:40:31 10/12/04 Tue
  - Re: History of ICC reform efforts (compare/contrast) -- Joe, 17:50:14 10/12/04 Tue
    - Re: membership numbers -- Chirs, 01:59:27 10/13/04 Wed
      - ICC membership numbers -- John, 09:19:34 10/13/04 Wed
        UBF and "moveaways" -- Chris, 14:31:08 10/13/04 Wed
Re: Development of UBF Lite -- Chris, 10:20:08 10/12/04 Tue
- Development of ICC Lite -- John, 09:44:44 10/13/04 Wed
  - Re: Development of ICC Lite -- Chris, 14:50:38 10/13/04 Wed
    - One Another Passages -- John, 15:55:45 10/13/04 Wed
      - Re: One Another Passages -- Chris, 17:46:09 10/13/04 Wed
        Discipling=One Another -- John, 20:46:52 10/14/04 Thu
ICC history -- Chris, 11:16:46 10/12/04 Tue
shepherds & sheep in the ICC -- Joe, 14:24:51 10/12/04 Tue
- Re: shepherds & sheep in the ICC -- Chris, 15:06:47 10/12/04 Tue
- Sheep -- John, 17:02:39 10/12/04 Tue
  - Re: Sheep -- Joe, 13:52:12 10/13/04 Wed
Baptism and ICC -- Shane, 16:27:56 10/13/04 Wed
- Baptism vs. ICC Baptism -- John, 17:32:30 10/13/04 Wed
  - Re: Baptism vs. ICC Baptism -- Joe, 18:04:47 10/13/04 Wed
    - Kip's position on salvation -- John, 23:20:15 10/13/04 Wed
Similar "discussions" on the delphi ICC forum? -- Joe, 19:20:28 10/14/04 Thu
- The ICC Discussion on Delphi -- John, 20:41:05 10/14/04 Thu
Look at the ads ^^ -- Mike K., 14:06:33 10/17/04 Sun
How international is ICC leadership? -- Joe, 15:22:00 10/20/04 Wed
- Re: How international is ICC leadership? -- John, 17:48:27 10/20/04 Wed
  - Re: How international is ICC leadership? -- Chris, 02:44:27 10/21/04 Thu
    - Berlin ICOC -- John, 10:11:48 10/21/04 Thu
UBF is ICC Jr. -- PECAS, 19:23:20 11/01/04 Mon

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>I wrote to what I believe to be Chris's website, but >then subsequently found the forum. I apologize to >Chris for the duplication. > >I am part of what used to be the International >Churches of Christ. I've seen some comments on ex-UBF >sites that talk about similarities between the two >organizations, and I believe the comparisons are quite >accurate. > >My interest is in the history and development of CMI >as a sort of UBF Lite. My understanding is that >leaders of what is now known as CMI wanted to address >past abuses, but maintain the work already done by the >UBF. From what I have been able to read, it seems like >that it is pretty much a kinder,gentler version of the >same bad doctrine and practice. > >From my own experience, the ICoC seems to be following >the same course. As one of their leading teachers >wrote in his resignation <a rel=nofollow target=_blank >href="http://www.barnabasministry.com/icc-resignationj. >html"> letter</a>, his church was still focused or a >leader-centric ministry approach. In other comments, >he has spoken of an ICC Lite that still practices the >ICC form of 'discipling' and structure, but promises >to be nice to each other. > >Regarding CMI, is this what is happening there? Is it >just like UBF, but everyone plays nice to each other? >To give some small credit to ICC Leaders, there seems >to be a real effort to do everything possible to >acknowledge past errors (granted, these efforts fall >short of getting outside help) and hear the other side >of issues. I don't think it gets to the heart of the >mattter at all, but I wanted to be somewhat fair.
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