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Date Posted: 09:56:44 08/13/04 Fri
Author: Nick T.
Subject: To Mitch and J
In reply to: Mitch 's message, "Re: good choice Mitch" on 21:51:26 08/12/04 Thu

Dear Mitch,

I had a chance to talk to some other exubfers about your scenario. One person said that she believed that they had a plan to send you to Korea as soon as possible in order to get you into position to have YOU get married on Ocotber 9th in Chicago. I had not thought of that, but after pondering, it seems like they were angling to at least get you ready in case they want to pull the trigger on your marriage.

One thing you may not know, but October 9 is the birthday of the late Samuel Lee (alias EE Chang Woo). ubf likes to have marriages on his birthday to dedicate the couples to EE.

Mitch, the violence issue is not something that you will see in public on the platform during the Sunday service. It has been taken underground, behind the scenes. In ubfKorea there was corporal punishment on a daily basis. One man who left ubf during the 1976 schism and is now a pastor of ESF says that the basic training in Korean ubf was for the guys to come to the center after class, study a Bible passage, and then endure some kind of corporal punishment such as beat each others buttocks, run untill exhaustion, form a gauntlet and beat each other harshly, have boxing mataches untill one is beaten up, etc. There are many stories of running in public dressed only in underwear, sitting in a tub full of ice water for many hours, and there was even an offical training called starvation training, where the 'interns', those who had been in ubf for more than a few years and who were willing to do whatever told, well they were deprived of all food except a bowl of ramen per day. Then they would do ubf for 20 hours a day, and get weighed at the end of the day. After a few weeks of this they looked like skeletons, but they claimed that they were mortifying their flesh and becoming full of the power of the Holy Spirit. Many would say it is no more spiritual than Moslems who beat themselves with stones untill they bleed.

When ubf first came to the USA, they tried this violence on American recruits, after the love bombing phase. Because of violence and abuse most American recruits left. That is why there are so few recruits at ubf who have been there prior to 1984. When number one recruit Tim B. walked out on the ubf, that was the end of the public physical abuse.

But there is an after effect, so many of the ubfKoreans, esp. the ancient ones, take great pride in their involvement in the days of rampant physical abuse. They consider Americans as soft and weak, and even cowardly, because we do not condone their abusive ways.

A result of the loss of physical abuse, there has been a great refinement in the ubfforms of mental and emotional and financial abuse. But the ubf comes at us little by little, with some of their actions bordering on Biblical. However, when we step back and compare the ubf to reputable Christian groups, we can see very clearly that ubf is outside the bounds of the Scriptures. How about arranged marriage? Did Jesus or Paul or Peter ever arrange a marriage? Well why is EE (dead) and Barry and PChang arranging marriages? The form of church government at ubf is in direct conflict with the Bible. Also, ubfleaders have no basic qualifications to be considered as pastors. Reputable pastors are highly educated in the Bible and Bible history and church hisotry, trained, and held to high standards of conduct and speech. ubf pastors must do nothing other than demonstrate unconditional loyalty and obedience to their ubf leadership. Check out the Billy Graham Center in Wheaton IL, which is a museum dedicated to the history of evangelism in Ameirca. What you learn there will be totally opposite what ubf says.

I am going to write a book on ubf, and would like to ask others to put their stories in it. Maybe we can have a book with 20 or 25 chapters, each person write a chapter about his or her won experience. Mitch, you are lucky you only spent a couple years there at ubf, I have been suffering from ubfdisease since the fall of 1983, due to being ubfmarried in 1989 and now going thru ubfdivorce for almost three full years (She filed for the divorce, at the direction of ubf leaders). My former ubfmissionary has stopped calling me, after I sent him a message letting him know that he failed me as my shepherd.

J, Chris is right, you are in the love bombing phase. And it seems you may be a highly desired type of ubfrecruit, so you may be treated very special at ubf. They are desparate for the faces of white American ladies, not sure if you fall into that category. But you are valuable as a smart lady grad student. They may have a plan to do some major league butt kissing to you for many years, sorry for the lack of a better term. If so they will pump you up with so much pride yo uwill not know what planet you are on. Stick to your guns, be yourself, and get your friends and family involved in your ubf decision process.

God bless you both. Find a reputable group and learn the Bible in the correct way. Jesus Christ died one time for all the sins of the world. We need only accept his all sufficient grace one time for all of our sins, even the sins we didn't commit yet. That is all it takes to be a Christian, because we are saved by the grace of God, not by anything we have done. God bless you all. Sorry for being long winded.

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