VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

Login ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1 ]
Subject: Re: God's benefit package


Author:
Shane
[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]
Date Posted: 09:37:03 09/21/10 Tue
In reply to: Tim 's message, "God's benefit package" on 10:41:56 09/20/10 Mon

The present moment is always small in the sense that it is always simple, but concealed within lies the greatest power. When you align yourself with the present moment - you have access to that power. Or it may be more true to say that it then has access to you and through you to this world. That is what Jesus meant when He said; "It is not I but the Father within me who does the work". And "I can of my own self do nothing". Anxiety, stress, and wondering whether you will be saved or not cuts you off from that power. The illusion that you are separate from the power that runs the Universe returns. You feel yourself to be alone again,struggling against something or trying to achieve this or that. And why did anxiety and stress return? You turned away from the present moment. Through the present moment you have access to the power of life itself, which has traditionally been called "God". As soon as you turn away from it, God ceases to be a reality in your life , and all you are left with is a mental concept of God, which some people believe in while others deny. Even belief in God is a poor substitute for the living reality of God manifesting every moment of your life.
We can observe a sapling growing in the forest and say that the sapling wants to become a tree, but the sapling doesn't want anything because it is at one with the totality, and the totality acts through it. We could say that the totality-Life-wants the sapling to become a tree, but the sapling doesn't see itself as separate from life and so wants nothing for itself. It is at one with what life wants, so it isn't worried or stressed. And if it has to die pre-maturely it dies with ease. It is surrendered in death as much as it is surrendered in life because it sense it's rootedness in Being-the formless and eternal One Life. When you are at one with what life wants then service is no longer necessary.

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:
[> Subject: Re: God's benefit package


Author:
Bob
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 18:56:16 09/21/10 Tue

Freedom is free. Tim you try very hard to eliminate freedom in your life. You constrain everything with requirements from the past for the future. You are the looser in the end.

Shane is correct that you need to live in the moment, deal with whats in front of you not what you believe the past demands for the future. Eternity is happening right now. It doesn't mean you get to stay forever. You get to stay right now and that is the only thing you can expect.

You didn't answer my questions either. I am not the devil and neither is anyone else. The Devil is just the reverse of your God. One justifies the other. Take away one the other disappears.

I know you will not hear any of this. You have the bible stuffed in your ears.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]


Post a message:
This forum requires an account to post.
[ Create Account ]
[ Login ]

Forum timezone: GMT-5
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.