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Subject: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Tara
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Date Posted: 09/11/07 3:15am

I am 36 year old woman.

Due to endometriosis, I was told in my early 20s I was never to have children. It took me years to come to terms with that - but I really had come to terms with it.
In the last year, I have developed a very serious disabling illness, part of the treatment for which, is chemotherapy. I had been advised by all my specialists that I could not under any circumstances get pregnant as the drugs would render the fetus "not viable". And of course - I never thought this would be an issue for me.

My husband and I are 'relatively' careful with regards to sex - even though I am not supposed to be able to get pregnant - but there are times when we "take chances", as it were. These "chances" have never been an issue in 3 years - nor the 7 year relationship prior to this one. I guess this passively confirmed for me that I indeed could not have children.

And now I am pregnant. And completely torn apart.

The chemo had been wreaking havoc on my menstrual cycle anyway, so missing a period, or being late was normal.

About a week ago, I started getting symptoms and tried to write them off, but I knew.

Pregnant. The test confirmed it.

And devastated.

A child I thought I could never have, and a child I am not allowed to have. What's so awful, was that I thought I really was okay about not having children...that I had worked through all the emotional stuff. And here I am in the middle of the night crying my eyes out at a computer while my husband is asleep.

I haven't even begun the talks with my doctors about the pregnancy - or the abortion, I have to make calls tomorrow...

If there is anyone else that is, or has been, in my situation - I am so very, very sorry and my heart goes out to you. But really I could use your words right now.

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[> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Tracey (Tara, we're here for you!!!!)
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Date Posted: 09/11/07 5:20am

Hi Tara and welcome! Wow, it sounds like you are dealing with a whirlwind of emotions right now. The chances of you getting pregnant at this point with Endometriosis are slim to none and now here you are, pregnant!!! I understand your concerns with the chemo and it's effects, but I was doing some research and I wanted you to check out this article on chemo and pregnancy:
http://www2.mdanderson.org/depts/oncolog/articles/04/1-jan/1-0
4-1.html
Can I ask what, "disabling illness" you're referring to? And what types of medication are you on for it? I wouldn't jump to abortion right away--there may be other alternative medications out there for your illness that can allow you to have a successful pregnancy. We have had several women come on here concerned because they had been on all kinds of meds for illnesses and many have had successful pregnancies and perfectly healthy babies! It's amazing how resilient these little guys can be!
Tara, I want to encourage you to look into all your options...it's great that you are coming here for support and guidance! We promise to help in any way we can! Please post as often as you want!
I will be praying for you, your husband, and for this pregnancy. Please come back and keep us posted!
God bless,
Tracey
[> [> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Tara
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Date Posted: 09/11/07 8:58am

Hi Tracey,

Thanks for your reply.

I have Rheumatoid disease and am on many medications, from anti-imflams, pain meds, steroids, muscle relaxants - and the chemo drug being methotrexate.
I have also since learned while reading up about abortions that methotrexate is one of the drugs used in chemical abortions.
Even though in the last week I have switched to another type of chemo, the effects of methotrexate are supposed to last in your system (and thereby affect pregnancy) for up to 6 months. (I got pregnant one month ago. Yes, I remember the night lol).

I read your article, thank you, and I found it to be mainly based around cancers and workarounds for pregnancy, rather than a medication-affected fetus. I appreciate the thought but I can't see it applying in this case - unless someone out there in the medical field knows differently.

I am going to one of my specialists today and shall be asking some of the hard questions.

No doubt I shall be posting that news later on.

Thanks,

~Tara
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Tracey
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Date Posted: 09/11/07 11:17am

Hi Tara! I'm sorry! :P I thought it was something cancer related...I guess when you said you were doing chemo, my brain just went to cancer.
I can't help but think though out of all the times you haven't gotten pregnant...here you are now pregnant and unsure what to do. I, of course, can't tell you what to do, but I can tell you what I'd do. I'd talk to my doctors, see if there's any other types of safer meds out there for the illness, see my OB/GYN, and let things take their course. I know you said the meds will last in your system up to 6 months...I would just pray for the baby to be safe. When my sis-in-law's sister was pregnant, she was told after several sonograms that the baby had NO intestines and that she should have an abortion. She decided to continue in the pregnancy and if it was meant to be, things would be ok. She now has a healthy 9 year old little boy with all his insides! :) The doctors were completely baffled. We have had so many women come here with the same type of dilemma you are having...they have been on TONS of medications for various reasons and all that have continued in their pregnancies delivered healthy babies. So, who knows!!! I do believe there's a plan and a purpose to everything. I can't tell you why this has happened at this time, but I do think it's quite a miracle, however you look at it.
Tara, we are here for you...I am praying for you! Please continue to keep us posted!
God bless,
Tracey
[> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Sharon
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Date Posted: 09/11/07 10:16am

Tara,

This baby is here for a reason, I'm sure of that... The odds are SO remote that he or she would be here, but here she is (or he ;-)

I had a friend who developed a condition where they had to do surgery. She did not KNOW she was pregnant at the time. She was in the very early stages and the surgery was in the abdominal region and SHOULD have, by all accounts, disrupted the pregnancy. But, a few weeks later, she found that she was pregnant - and had been pregnant at the time of the surgery! The doctors were amazed that she was still pregnant, given the surgery, but she was. She carried the baby to term and now has a beautiful 18-year-old daugther.

I've also know of people who were told that their medications COULD cause birth defects, but had babies that were born perfectly normal. So, just because a medicine CAN cause a problem doesn't mean it WILL cause a problem. So, you could end up having an abortion and then finding out that the baby you aborted was normal. Plus, we are all defective in some way - it's just some of our defects are more obvious than others ;-)

Now, it could be that the chemotherapy will have a detrimental effect on your developing baby, but you could certainly let nature take its course in taht case and allow your child to have the only life it can have - in your womb.

I will say a prayer for you. This has got to be such a hard situation to do through!

Sharon
[> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 09/11/07 2:05pm

Hi, Tara,

I am so glad you came!

(We can't know God's purpose for giving you a child now, but for all we know, this could be the child who will take care of you later in life.)

I will give you a few facts that you may find helpful. Since you were taking all these meds at the time you became pregnant, the most likely things that will happen are, your baby won't make it at all, or s/he will be healthy. The reason is that the defects that could occur at this very early stage are usually so severe that the baby won't even survive. But you can give your child a chance at life. I know of many cases where the baby was fine, and it was a real miracle from a medical standpoint. If God has a purpose for your baby beyond birth, He will protect him or her.

The second thing I should tell you is that there is a treatment for Methotrexate. Methotrexate works by causing the mother's body to stop producing progesterone. But I know of at least one case where a woman had Methotrexate and changed her mind, and the doctor gave her progesterone shots throughout her pregnancy, and her baby was born normal. There is some risk involved, but the question is whether a mother is willing to undergo some risk to save her baby.

The third thing I want to mention is that someone close to me has rheumatoid arthritis. I am assuming that when you say "rheumatoid disease" this is what you mean. If not, what I will tell you may not be relevant. However, this person is using natural remedies for his rheumatoid arthritis. He is taking a supplement now called Ultra Joint Jolt. It's put out by Real Advantage. Google the name, and you will find that Real Advantage is the first link listed. In addition, he takes two aspirin at night (he probably wouldn't have to take any, since he went one night without, and had no pain). Do some research into alternative remedies, and you may well find something that will work for you. Those drugs you are currently taking aren't good for you, anyway.

Go to a doctor who is willing to treat you both. You can get a name from your local crisis pregnancy agency. A different doctor might tell you not to try the progesterone, but you really need someone who is willing to help both of you, and won't overlook the needs of your child. Such a doctor can be trusted to make better medical decisions as well, because a willingness to neglect one patient for the sake of the other is a violation of medical ethics, and a person who is willing to violate medical ethics cannot be trusted to make good medical decisions. I know this from PERSONAL experience.

Here is a link to find a local crisis pregnancy agency: www.pregnancycenters.org

Good luck with this. We will be praying for you.

Hugs,
Pat
[> [> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Tara
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Date Posted: 09/12/07 3:50am

Dear Pat,

Thanks for your reply ( and everyone elses, too!)

Yes I was specific when I said "Rheumatoid disease". Not many people know this, I certainly didn't til I was diagnosed - but it's not always just "arthritis".
It's actually a systemic disease, it's pathology can be very similar to lupus - as in my case. It can affect any of the organs, as well as the joints causing excruciating pain and disability.
I know the drugs aren't good for me - but I promise you, the alternative has been far worse. I now have some movement again, and thus far have been willing to suffer through the side effects to hopefully put this disease into remission - the goal of the chemo. I will never be cured, but am willing to fight.

I visited my Doctor today and told him about the pregnancy. He told me to immediately stop taking the new chemo drug (lufluonimide) and has given me some form of powder to take over the next 8 days to flush my system of methotrexate. (Sorry! I don't have the prescription right here so I don't know the name)
He says when I visit my GP on Friday to book an ultrasound to see if the baby is in fact alive - so it sounds as though you are right, Pat, with regards to the baby being definitively one or the other. (Viable or not). However, as in all methotrexate literature, it warns of severe defects to the fetus)

I have been on a very strong dose of methotrexate for just on one year, so I would think my chances are slim.

However, I am feeling much better today as I finally managed to get some proper sleep after 4 days.

Thank you all for your kind thoughts and wishes. This has really helped.

~Tara
[> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Tara
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Date Posted: 09/12/07 11:17am

I will keep you in my prayers - for this pregnancy, but also for relief from the pain associated with the illness. I'm glad you were finally able to get some sleep!

Sharon
[> [> Subject: The post above is from Sharon, not Tara! LOL! :)


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Tracey
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Date Posted: 09/12/07 12:53pm

Just wanted to make you aware that the above post is from Sharon to Tara...she accidentally put "Tara" as the author. :) Tracey
[> [> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Sharon
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Date Posted: 09/13/07 7:56am

:-) Thanks, Tracey! ;-)

Sharon
[> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


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Pat
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Date Posted: 09/15/07 4:12pm

Hi, Tara,

Thank you for your response. I appreciate it.

I would like to suggest you spend some time research rheumatoid disease on the internet. There ARE natural alternatives, and some of them are highly effective. Obviously, doing nothing is not an option. But you might be amazed, and it is worth spending some time looking. Let us know if you find anything. There may be other women this will help.

It sounds like you have a good doctor. As long as he is willing to help you both, you should be OK, and time will tell if your baby will make it. I'm rooting for both of you.

Hugs,
Pat
[> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 09/15/07 4:15pm

Hi, Tara,

Oh, one other thing. You might want to take a look at the possibility that you are eating something that is causing your problem. I'd suggest investigating monosodium glutimate (goes by many names, unfortunately, so Google that as well) and Aspartame (Nutrasweet). Also, there is a possibility that genetically engineered foods are responsible. If something is causing your problem and you eliminate this, it may help considerably. It has been shown recently that some of these things are actually causing diseases like lupus, so I can see where they might cause rheumatoid disease as well.

I hope this helps.

Hugs,
Pat
[> Subject: Tara, how are you???


Author:
Shellie
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Date Posted: 09/27/07 9:19pm

Hi Tara,

I keep coming to the board looking for an update from you. Will you please post and let us know how you're doing?

Thanks,

Shellie
[> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Melanie
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Date Posted: 10/11/07 3:03pm

Hi Tara,

It's so good to hear that you have a doctor that is willing to work with you and treat both of you as patients.
I believe Rheumatoid Disease (arthritis) is considered a
autoimmune disorder, so I know what you mean. And like all diseases, the severity varies. I know that sometimes the RA can improve during pregnancy. I hope that will end up being the case for you. I'll see what I can find on the topic. I know I've researched this in the past, but it's been a while.

At any rate, do let me and the others know what the ultrasound shows.

If I can do anything to help, just let me know.

--Melanie
[> [> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Melanie
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Date Posted: 10/11/07 3:23pm

http://www.rheumatology.org/press/2006/0706pregnancy.asp
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Tracey (Tara, how are you doing?)
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Date Posted: 10/15/07 3:59am

Tara~
Hello! Haven't heard from you in quite a while and wondering how you are doing? Tara, we are here if you ever need to talk. You are in my thoughts and prayers...
God bless,
Tracey
[> [> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Tara
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Date Posted: 10/15/07 11:13am

Hi everyone,

I am sorry I haven't posted in so long. As much as I appreciate your support, and I truly do, it has been difficult for me to come back and inform you of what has been happening as I know so many of your stances are passionately pro-life, rather than pro-choice. And I am so overloaded with emotion, I really couldn't take any more negative perceptions. (I have received many, in dealings with supposed unbiased health professionals).

However, to potentially inform others in my situation - here goes...

I had my ultrasound and it turns out I was much further along than I thought. I was 10 weeks. My poor baby had been subjected to daily chemo for 10 weeks.

After MUCH research, conversations with doctors and a lot of soul-searching my husband and I have decided to terminate as the damage to the fetus is so severe. I go into hospital on October 31st.

It has been a tremendously difficult time - and I am deeply wounded by the reactions of others. Not that we've been announcing it to all and sundry - but health professionals aside - we turned to my husbands family for support, finally, and I couldn't have been more let down....


And to make it all worse, I am also suffering from extreme morning sickness (misnomer!!) I am vomiting 2-3 times a day (and night!), and can't stay hydrated. I have tried Vitamin B6 to no avail - anyone else have morning sickness remedies? This is severely debilitating.

Thanks everyone.

~Tara
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 10/15/07 1:57pm

Tara,

I am so sorry that things are going this way for you!

You are right that many of us are pro-life (but probably not all, by any means). But we're not in the judging business, and the situation you are in sounds serious. So I have a few things I'd like to say, so bear with me.

Obviously, you can't keep going on like this. What I would like to suggest is that you hang in there. You're not going down there in the next couple of days, so if you could accomplish a couple of things, you can change your mind.

Obviously, the first thing is that the vomiting needs to be brought under control. Here's what I suggest. Try sipping ginger tea. If this doesn't work, ask your doctor for some medication that will help. You have to be able to stay hydrated, obviously.

Now about what the doctors say. Since you are "only" ten weeks along, they probably don't KNOW that your baby is badly damaged. I suspect they're speculating, and the way doctors are these days, they may be afraid that if they let you go to term, and the baby does have damage, you'll sue. The problem is that people are demanding a perfect baby, and they're afraid. So what I recommend is that you go to a pro-life doctor. You simply don't know that your baby is damaged. They can't tell at this age, in all probability. I don't know what test they might have run that would cause them to conclude that your baby is too badly damaged. If you go to a pro-life doctor, then he may have something very different to tell you. Maybe your baby doesn't have a chance. We simply don't know that. But let me tell you a little of my story, so you see why I am thinking this way.

I got pregnant in July. Unlike normally, I didn't realize it. At the end of September, I started to hemorrhage. So I went to the emergency room, and they wanted to keep me overnight. The next morning, a strange doctor came in to see me. He said that I had miscarried (remember, I had just been told I was pregnant), and that there was still something in my uterus. He needed to operate. He tried to convince me that if he didn't, I'd probably die. I was feeling VERY intimidated. But I had told my doctor that I would not work with anyone who wasn't pro-life. He knew that. So I screened this doctor. I asked him what his opinion on abortion was. He gave me a very wishy-washy answer. So I told him I didn't think I would let him do it. He got very angry with me, and said that was my privilege and stalked out, slamming the door behind him. Not long after, someone came in to do a pregnancy test. I asked why since I had miscarried anyway. They said they wanted to see if I was still pregnant. I asked how long the test would take, and they said, a couple of hours. But I didn't get the results back, and this started to worry me. So eventually my doctor's partner came in and said that if I wouldn't let this man operate on me, he would discharge me and I needed to go to the emergency room at a different hospital, and another doctor would take care of it. He hadn't managed to reach the doctor, but unbeknownst to him, I had. The other doctor told me to go home. So I agreed, and he discharged me, and I went home. The bleeding had already subsided the night before. And I had no further trouble. I started drinking raspberry leaf tea. On Monday, two days later, I called the new doctor and he told me the results of the pregnancy test had come back. I was still pregnant. In the meantime, I had asked around about the strange doctor, and someone I trust told me that doctor was an abortionist! Anyway, as soon as I learned I was still pregnant, the nightmares started. Horrible nightmares, the kind that made me wake up in a cold sweat. I'm not prone to nightmares, by the way. Every two or three nights, I would have a nightmare. I dreamed that I was still pregnant, and someone was threatening me but at the last minute, I got away. So I went to the new doctor, and he did tell me I was still pregnant, and he thought maybe he should do an ultrasound (in those days, ultrasounds were still pretty primitive) and maybe he should operate. This was a pro-life doctor. But by this time, I wasn't bleeding, so I said No to both things. At the end of October, I bled a little, but not much. And I started feeling movement, very faint. One day in early December, I felt very strong movement, and then nothing at all. But I didn't miscarry. At that point, the nightmares stopped. And there was no more bleeding. In March, my midwife, who is one of the best in the world, examined me and said I was still pregnant. He also told me that I had lymph nodes all over the outside of my uterus, and this meant that my body was taking care of the situation. Sure enough, I started feeling movement again, not long after. I was pregnant for a full year, and gave birth to a normal son, who is now in his late 20's. He is totally healthy. He is married and has a son. He also has a fourth degree black belt in taekwondo, and he's a certified instructor. Here's what happened. I had indeed been pregnant. But my baby died. That was in early December. But in the middle of November, I had conceived again. Looking back I realized I had had fertile mucus then, but thinking I was pregnant, I ignored it. My first baby had died in December, and my body took care of the remains. The only evidence left was that I had a tiny piece of placenta that was totally detached from the placenta of my son. Yes, all of this is a matter of medical record. And I know another woman who was involved in a similar situation. Her mother had twins, but the younger one was four months younger than the older one, and my friend was the younger one. She was middle aged, and she and her sister were just fine! There is a medical term for this, but I don't remember what it is.

I feel very strongly that I never want another woman to go through the horrible nightmares that I went through, or any of the other things I know women often go through if they have an abortion. I wouldn't wish that off on anyone! So I ask you to give your baby a chance. I don't want what happened to me to happen to you. It's no way to live, believe me! Your baby could be completely normal, and they simply don't know, not at this stage. Not at 10 weeks. Doctors are way too quick to DO something, instead of leaving things alone. Your baby has bonded with you, and you with him or her, even though you may not realize it. If this were not so, you wouldn't be feeling the emotions you are feeling. Abortion is very, very unnatural, and goes against everything it means for us to be a woman. Your baby and you have been exchanging hormonal messages since you conceived. Your baby is sending stem cells into your blood stream, and these are migrating to various places in your body. They will help protect you from breast cancer, and some of them are in your brain. This is normal, and it's one way mother and baby bond. If you disrupt that bond, you will almost certainly experience emotional repercussions, and they could be severe.

If your baby is as badly damaged as they are telling you, he or she won't make it. The difference is that you won't have done anything to take his or her life. And that can make all the difference. Trust me, I know this from personal experience. I am totally at peace about the baby I lost, because I did everything I could to preserve her life (I think of my baby as a girl). On the other hand, the emotional repercussions from having an abortion can be so severe they can actually cost a woman her life! I won't go into all the details unless you ask. No matter what you do at this point, it is going to be tough. So the important thing now is to give your baby a chance, and if your baby doesn't make it, then it wasn't by your hand. But you are a lot stronger than you think, and whatever you do, this will have large implications for your life. Now if you cannot bring your morning sickness under control, they can hospitalize you and rehydrate you. Normally, morning sickness subsides by the second trimester, and you have only a couple of weeks to go. But if your morning sickness becomes life-threatening, they may have to act. But if they do, you will know that you have done everything you can do, and there really is no choice. If your baby DOES make it, he or she could be completely normal. It happens, believe it or not. Or your baby could have some damage. If so, your baby may live, but have some problems. Your baby will cherish his or her life. If you cannot handle the disability, you can choose adoption. It won't be easy to do that, but it won't have the emotional repercussions abortion would. Yes, there will obviously be repercussions, but if you are at all typical, they won't be nearly as bad. I know this from talking to many women. And you should also investigate, because there are MANY services out there to help with disabilities in children. These can make it possible for you to be a good mother. I know this because my sister has a son with Down syndrome, and the family has done splendidly. He had early intervention. And he is actually quite bright (his language development is way ahead of average). He is a wonderful child, and his presence in the family healed a very dysfunctional family, so he has been an incredible blessing.

Get some decent medical care from a doctor who will truly treat you BOTH. Try asking at La Leche League, to see if you can find one who won't give up on the two of you. If that doesn't work, I can put you in touch with some organizations that will help you find a doctor. And yes, if you choose adoption, there ARE potential parents waiting out there who will cherish your baby. That may seem incredible, but it's true!

If your baby is truly as bad off as the doctors are telling you, he or she won't survive, but you will be at peace.

We will be here for you every step of the way, and we will be praying for you. Also, I recommend you go to a crisis pregnancy agency. They can also help you find a doctor. And they will be there for you as well. Come here any time. Let us know how you are doing. We will be here even if you have to abort. We will uplift you with our kindness and our prayers. We want what is best for you and your baby. Like I said, we're not into judging. We won't condemn you if you can't make it. We will help you get past the aftermath of abortion. And we will pray for you, that you will have strength to endure what you are going through. Please pray also. Read the Psalms. I think you will find them very comforting.

We love you.

Hugs,
Pat
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have


Author:
luka
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Date Posted: 10/17/07 2:16am

It sounds as if you'e made up your mind and are feeling like the people telling you not to abort are giving you a guilt trip. Thats not my intention here. However, if there is any part of you that wants this baby. Could you not wait untill around 12 weeks and have a scan that will be more thorough and just 'see' what they say? I wonder what would happen if you saw another doctor and not told him of your medication and just had a 12 week morphology scan. I wonder if they would find anything wrong? There is indeed a possibility that your baby is ok. There have been a few rare cases of newborns with cancer that have had to go through chemotherapy and survived so which makes me wonder about your own baby. Did the doctor explain what he thought was wrong with your baby. Do they have any medial exapmles of children born after their mother had taken the medication you are on or are they just theorising? I hope you make a decision you can live with either way. I am not judging you here. I have had abortions before i am in no position to judge anyone. Good luck. I hope you feel comfortable enough to let us know what happens and how youre holding up.
[> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have- What Pat Said


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Shellie
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Date Posted: 10/15/07 10:28pm

Hi Tara,

Thanks so much for coming back and letting us know what's going on with you! Many of us are indeed pro-life, but that doesn't mean we don't care about the woman involved, or that our knowledge and experience isn't worth hearing.

A really good friend of mine (we've been friends since I was 5 years old) was given a poor prenatal diagnosis very early into the pregnancy. She called to tell me that she was going to abort because the embryo was "behind" in development". She said the doctors had all advised her to abort because the pregnancy was "unhealthy and not progressing adequately". I told her that they could be wrong--that perhaps they were wrong about when she had conceived. She said, "I know when I conceived because we were trying!". I again told her that there could be a mistake. I also told her what Pat recommended to you: "If the pregnancy is what the doctors say it is, the baby won't survive, but you'll be spared the guilt of aborting." Pat gave you wonderful advice when she shared that with you.

I knew Natalie well enough to know that even though she was pro-choice, aborting would have caused her a huge amount of guilt (even if she believed the doctors). She said, "Shellie, you're just pro-life and are trying to get me to not abort!" I told her what I'd like to tell you: "being pro-life doesn't mean I don't have legitimate advice that you should consider. And I'd give you the same advice if I were pro-choice. Doctors are not always right!"

That baby is now 10 years old. A healthy little girl!

Please do continue to keep us up to date.

Take care,

Shellie

[> [> Subject: Re: Couldn't have - Can't have- What Pat Said


Author:
Tara
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Date Posted: 10/24/07 3:32am


As I mentioned in my previous post, this wasn't a quick and easy decision, and I am pretty astounded that this seems to be the assumption.
I don't know why I am even justifying my actions, as this is the last place I thought I would have to - except that I already have so much guilt and now I feel I am getting more.....

I have spoken to 6 specialists, (not including other medical professionals), done hours of research myself and discussed this very seriously with my husband. THAT is how I made my decision.

While I know all advice for the health of the baby has been given with good intentions, there really is a middle ground to be had here; where a woman should be able to speak about her troubles and be met with empathy. Being flooded with miraculous baby stories, and telling me 'what' to do to save the life of my child, or else I'll be 'burdened with guilt forever' is not emotional support. It is biased and almost irresponsible given the mental and emotional state of people who come here expecting sympathy and understanding.

I sincerely hope that you are able to see that perhaps there 'is' a different way to do things.

Farewell,

~Tara
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Author:
Tracey
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Date Posted: 10/25/07 8:20am

Tara~
I have read and re-read your post...and as I read, I have to tell you, I felt both frustrated and saddened. Frustrated because it seems you have totally misunderstood our intentions here. Call us, "biased" all you want, but please know that we are trying desperately to help you see the whole picture. Our main goal is to present other alternatives to abortion not just because we are pro-life, but because we have seen and some have experienced what this does to the very core of a woman. And saddened because we are trying to save you from the guilt and heart-ache of choosing abortion. Abortion is forever..it robs a woman of an amazing gift...think about it--you were told that you were unable to have children and here you are, now pregnant! The timing stinks, but it IS what it IS! Are your circumstances different than others who abort? Of course they are--we're not arguing that at all! We sympathize so deeply with your situation. The thought of having this illness, meds involved, pregnancy...it's so over-whelming!! Our hearts ache for you. But if the doctors are telling you that the fetus won't be viable in continuing the pregnancy, then why not let nature take it's course?? It would spare YOU the guilt of knowing you chose to end the pregnancy..I would much rather live with the thought that I miscarried than I aborted my child. I would much rather know in my heart that I gave this little one EVERY chance at life than know I took away all possibilities. We share personal stories with you, not to guilt you, but to encourage you to see that there is HOPE!!! Tara, we're not claiming to be counselors here or doctors...we're not claiming to know it all--it's just heart breaking that you may make decision and never know if it was a mistake--we are trying to spare you the guilt of that. Call us irresponsible, but we really do want to help you, Tara. You came here heart-broken and we have tried our best to reach out to you. Tara, I believe it is no accident that you found us...I truly believe you have been guided to this site for help. Think about it--there are so many "pregnancy help" sites out there--probably millions and you found our little site in the middle of the night, "crying your eyes out" while your husband was asleep. Do you really think that was just a coincidence or some other higher power guiding it?? Tara, my prayer is that you will have peace with your decision, no matter WHAT it is. We don't judge you!! If you do decide to terminate, we will still be here for you. We have had many women come here and have still chose to abort and have still offered them love and support. Tara, I am praying for you, now, more than ever...I know you need it so desperately. My e-mail is always open if you ever just need to talk. I am praying for your husband as well--this must be very tough for him. If we have offended you, please know that is not our intentions. We love you, Tara and only wish you the very best!!
God bless,
Tracey
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Pat
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Date Posted: 10/25/07 12:22pm

Tara,

I'm sorry you feel that way about us. We are trying to be helpful, and we do NOT think such a decision is ever easy. Women agonize over it, and we know it.

I'm living proof that what doctors say is often dead wrong. It has happened so many times in my life, I have lost count.

If your baby is very badly damaged, he won't survive, but you won't have done anything to cut short the possibilities. From what you told us, if this doesn't happen, the baby will probably be fine, especially if you have the doctor keep track of your progesterone and make sure you have a normal level.

All we are saying is that you should follow your heart. If you are feeling guilt, pay attention. Don't do anything you will regret. I don't know if you have acted on your decision or not. Either way, we will be here for you. We love you and care about you.

You will continue to be in our prayers.

Hugs,
Pat



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