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Date Posted: 15:55:01 04/10/02 Wed
Author: richard
Subject: Re: IC notes about magic 04/10/2002
In reply to: Jess 's message, "Re: IC notes about magic 04/10/2002" on 13:32:25 04/10/02 Wed

ack, you people make my head hurt. but since you two seem to undertand what you're saying to each other, then, hurrah! without the shared experience, mathematic, theorhertical, or scientific background to engage what you guys are discussing i will do exactly that: not engage. Good luck and god bless.

i will say this however: while this may work for you two Rob drew a picture and i got shot. this is in no way an attempt to invalidate your discussion, rather, instead of trying to order all of these experiences, that we can all agree ARE bizarre in some way, i'd rather try to build from the few tangible things that we personally have experienced. Jesse did *whatever* Jesse did. Photons, spheres breaking in two, whatever. None of us can even hope to analyze what Jesse did because we can't begin to atttempt to duplicate it. We have no idea what it felt like to him or even how he triggered it. We don't even know if HE did something or if something was done to HIM. Did he pop some sort of pill? Did Joe pop some sort of pill and do something to Jesse? WAS the lighting at the place wired? Are we trying to link these phenomena to mechanics, science, medicine, voodoo, God(s), spirits, etc.? I would argue on the subjectivity of all of this, but, i do know that Joe DID take ME to some OTHER place. Umbra, Hell, Heaven, alternate dimension, i don't know. HE did something but i did experience it and it was not that back room. i was somewhere else.

As reckless as he's been, I think what Rob has been doing is the most productive way we are going to be able to personally understand whatever all this may be. Work from whatever strange-and-or-unusual thing has occured and try to duplicate it to some extent to cipher out any commonalities. I also do recognize that who and what we are is seriously influencing how we are dealing with this, and that's to be expected. You two are acting like scientists because to an extent you guys are. Rob is acting like a caprecious artist because he is. I'm acting like i came across a funny passage in a book. In any case, Rob is trying to draw other kooky stuff. Once any of us of us can duplicate any of this (Rob, have you gotten anything to *occur* with your other attempts?) then we can try to digest whatever is is that Jesse *did*. So, intend on exploring pain and fear. Rob is doing art. You guys are talking about photons and spheres breaking in two. Lord help us all.

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