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] Date Posted: 19:05:15 10/28/04 Thu England 266 Cornwall and Scilly Isles 3 Scotland 28 Wales 17 Northern Ireland 11 Gibraltar 1 Channel Islands 1 Isle of Man 1 Newfoundland & Labrador 3 Prince Edward Island 5 Nova Scotia 1 New Brunswick 4 Quebec 42 Ontario 67 Manitoba 7 Saskatchewan 6 Alberta 18 British Columbia 22 Yukon 1 Northwest Territories 1 Nunavut 1 New South Wales 37 Victoria 25 Queensland 20 Western Australia 10 South Australia 8 Tasmania 3 Northern Territory 1 New Zealand 22 West Indies 25 Dependent Territories 3 TOTAL 660 [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:31:40 10/28/04 Thu Cornwall!? Cornwall is part of England; the majority of its population wish to remain that way. Perhaps you should also seperate Norfolk and Suffolk as well due to a two-man seperatist 'movement'. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Cornwall wants to be a distinct community within the UK | |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:22:36 10/28/04 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Cornwall... | |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:43:30 10/29/04 Fri I was referring to the majority of Cornwall. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 23:13:45 10/29/04 Fri "I was referring to the majority of Cornwall." Who are colonists!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 23:59:47 10/29/04 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Kernow bys vyken | |
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Author: anon [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:24:50 10/29/04 Fri "the majority of its population wish to remain that way." The majority of its population also happen to be from over the Cornish border... What a coincidence. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: A Nonny Moose [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 23:39:53 10/29/04 Fri Come on... we all know that, despite the occasional reference to some kind of Celtic identity, you're all English really. Maybe it was to do with colonisation. In fact, I know it was. But think of it this way: would you expect the Aussies, Yanks or Canucks to give back their land because of the (admittedly reprehensible) acts of their forefathers hundreds of years ago? Would you ask all of the Anglo-Irish to pack their bags and head back where they came from, even though they now form as integral a part of their native society as the Gaels? No. So why would you ask the "English majority" to go back to where they came from? They came from Cornwall. There is no Celtic identity left. Nobody speaks Cornish except for show. You eat scones and clotted cream, you drink cider, you listen to Radio 4 and, ultimately, you need to remain British to survive - you live in a poor county on the tip of a poor peninsula, with no industry, few natural resources, no transport infrastructure and not one university (though Falmouth Art College isn't half bad). An independent Cornwall would never work. I would request that you refrain from spouting such piffle in the future and get a proper hobby. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: 51st state [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 02:15:54 10/30/04 Sat "you're all English really" You're all Americans now. You're colonised by the Americans. You speak like them. Your music is American. Your Army is out for their hire. You're Americans in denial. Unless Brussels pips DC to the post. We all know where every Brit PM since MacMillan has taken order from. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:52:35 10/30/04 Sat Do not be foolish. Merely because our government is bending over to lick your shoes does not mean the people of this country respect you. Most people here find the US Army to be a joke - when have they ever won a war by themselves? And as for the government, well, you should have watched Have I Got News For You yesterday: 'You know, you really should try a president with a three figure IQ.' 'We tried that with Carter... it didn't really work. I guess we're not a three-figure IQ country.' As for speaking like you... that's true, but only because you speak like us - check the name of the language you're writing in - I'll give you a clue, it starts with E. No matter how deformed you might have made it, it is at its core English. We have a monarchy which the world respects, and its not going anywhere. Even Bush had to enter through the servant passage rather than the traditional red carpet treatment that is usually given to foreign heads of state. Post script: Nice to see you still spell colonised the British English way. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Gomac [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:05:21 10/31/04 Sun >You speak like them. In some ways yes, in other ways most definatly not. English English has always evolved and taken in from outside influences. >Your music is American. Or is American music English? >Your Army is out for their hire. Sadly true. >You're Americans in denial. If Brits are americans in denial then Americans are brits in denial. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: anon [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:26:58 11/03/04 Wed "is American music English?" Most of it, no. Undoubtedly there is some English influence but the roots of Jazz and Blues are mainly non-English, coming from Africa and France and Spanish cultures, and country music comes partly from Scotland and Ireland (with some input from England no doubt). These two are the parents of rock and roll... rap, funk, disco etc, none of these are English (rap is arguably not music either!!!). England's answer has been to adapt heavy metal and punk, but it can still be argued these aren't English genres. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:01:21 11/03/04 Wed Jazz and Blues were invented by Gershwin when he blended some African influences with the Ashkenazi Klezmer tradition. One only has to look at his use of homophonic harmonisation and his use of polyphonic structural texture, not to mention syncopation, to realise this. Compare it with some of Bartok's middle streichquartette and the codified scores of what used to be called "Negro Spirituals" (which actually emerged in the British sugar islands). Neither of these things are British or American. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: anon [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 00:41:48 11/04/04 Thu "Jazz and Blues were invented by Gershwin when he blended some African influences with the Ashkenazi Klezmer tradition. One only has to look at his use of homophonic harmonisation and his use of polyphonic structural texture, not to mention syncopation, to realise this. Compare it with some of Bartok's middle streichquartette and the codified scores of what used to be called "Negro Spirituals" (which actually emerged in the British sugar islands). "Neither of these things are British or American." Jazz comes out of ragtime and the negro spiritual though, which predate Gershwin. I think the spiritual actually DOES have some English influences on it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Matt(Cornwall) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:01:56 10/30/04 Sat I'm Cornish and I want Cornwall to have as much power as possible within the United Kingdom. Mebyon Kernow want Cornwall to have its own regional assembly outside of the South West because they believe that this best serves the Cornish people and our herritage. No one is suggesting that Cornwall wants to leave the UK...that is pure stupidity and every1 in Cornwall is intelligent enough to realise this however whats wrong with a regional assembly within the FC for Cornwall which has a distinct culture. There are Cornish decendents in many parts of the world, who are proud of it...why? becasue Cornish Engineers and miners played a key role in the industrialisation of the world back in the 19th century. It is true that we are a poor county (one of the poorest), it is true we no longer have industry and it is also true that we have a lame duck for transportation but why does this mean no assembly for Cornwall. With Cornish people managing Cornish affairs the county may be able to dig itself out. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: makes sense to me, Matt | |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:31:37 10/30/04 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:54:00 10/30/04 Sat Well, if the people over there are up for it, then I see no problem really. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:58:56 11/02/04 Tue A South-West parliament could do just a sgood a job for Cornwall without wasting money on even more needless politicians and civil servants. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 05:10:07 11/04/04 Thu Of the 56 most deprived areas in Devon and Cornwall, 51 were in Cornwall. Because of this, the higher GDP and non-colonial status of Devon masked the Cornish failure, and restricted funding. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:22:41 10/28/04 Thu No Jim. There is a group in Cornwall advocating devolution for the area however it is not neccesarily representive of the whole community. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:11:37 10/28/04 Thu Here is the revised parliament again with Cornwall as it is: England 269 Scotland 28 Wales 17 Northern Ireland 11 Gibraltar 1 Channel Islands 1 Isle of Man 1 Newfoundland & Labrador 3 Prince Edward Island 5 Nova Scotia 1 New Brunswick 4 Quebec 42 Ontario 67 Manitoba 7 Saskatchewan 6 Alberta 18 British Columbia 22 Yukon 1 Northwest Territories 1 Nunavut 1 New South Wales 37 Victoria 25 Queensland 20 Western Australia 10 South Australia 8 Tasmania 3 Northern Territory 1 New Zealand 22 West Indies 25 Dependent Territories 3 TOTAL 660 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Sounds reasonable to me... | |
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Author: Paddy (Scotland) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:21:56 10/28/04 Thu Could you state which WIndian realms have been counted in the above list? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: All nine West Indian realms and all seven British dependencies in the area. | |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:31:09 10/29/04 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: There are only 5/6 British dependencies in the area, though..... | |
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Author: Nick (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:03:17 11/05/04 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: ? [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:10:36 10/29/04 Fri Hate to be pedantic, but I doubt very much that the people of Jersey and Guernsey will be crazy about being stuck together in some kind of bastard double-colony. There's an enormous rivalry there. A change needs to be made there, methinks. And why are you keeping England as one unit but splitting up all of the other dominions? I think the regional devolution concept makes a lot of sense. Do we want one England that makes up about two fifths of the political power and dictates the agenda? I suggest you tell us the number of seats allocated to each of Prescott's "regions". While I'm at it, what about a rethinking of the upper house in this FC Parliament? We could do what the Germans and the Europeans have done (and yes, they have done SOME things right) and have a "Council of the States" which shares power with the Lower House and consists of representatives of the regional governments possessing one vote each (which seems more fair than weighting, because it means that the voices of the states have equal weight to one another). It might just be a small thing, but it would seem to make sense to give the regions or provinces some voice in the governance of this great Commonwealth that we are attempting to create. Maybe you could give the territories seats without votes? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:02:18 10/30/04 Sat We are trying to promote unity in this society, and yet at the same time we are promoting increased regionalisation within Britain, which is after all, a concept and instrument of the European Union. I am sceptical that the dilution of our identity is going to help our cause, with the partition of England amongst other things. With regard to the Channel Islands, if we cannot unite them, what chance have we got in uniting the Commonwealth? This proposed federation is based on a british (with a small b) identity which is gradually being deposed by a new widespread regional identity. We are a small island and it is about time we put our differences in perspective. Cornwall’s economic problems would be best solved by a new Government agency that spends our money on regional development, rather than spending billions redistributing wealth in Europe. There has got to be a better way than more Government, more bureaucracy, more politicians, and of course, more taxpayer’s money. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:17:04 10/30/04 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:14:04 10/30/04 Sat I just fished out a Cornish dictionary and Primer, and the language looks like an interesting creature. The Cornish language seems to be one of the Brythonic group of Celtic languages which includes Welsh, Breton and Cumbrian (now extinct, thank goodness). It doesn't look quite like Scots Gaelic, Irish or Manx (I think they're called the Goidelic group) and I suspect that this is because of the Nordic-Scandinavian influence on these languages (Norwegian and Manx, for example, are closer than Manx and the 'other' Celtic ones). In fact, from what it seems to me, the language looks more like Breton than the truly 'British' Celtic languges (although I suppose that the name "Breton" implies where the inhabitants of that part of France originally came from...). In light of this, might I suggest that, since Cornish nationalists (ha ha) seem to admit that Cornwall is too small to be a viable independent unit, but at the same time want to govern their own affairs according to the mores of their own people, perhaps we should invite the good people at Mebyon Kernow to join France rather than the FC? Perhaps we could pursuage the French government to give them DOM-TOM status as an island off Britanny? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:56:45 10/30/04 Sat In Portuguese, the word "Bretanha" applies equally to Great Britain and to (Little) Brittany. Brittany was colonised by people pushed out of Cornwall by pressures resulting from the Anglo-Juto-Saxon invasions. I gather that speakers of Breton and speakers of Welsh can still understand each other at least well enough to buy and sell onions. Speakers of Cornish should thus be able to do the same. And since the Bretons still have a somewhat dodgy relationship with France, perhaps we could invite them to join the UK as part of a joint province with Cornwall... [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Nick (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:18:08 11/03/04 Wed Yeah, don't give Cornwall to the French, what are you thinking? Brittany's not a bad place. And of course while we're at it Calais should really be ours too.... I'm with you '?' (though I'd rather people used their names on the forum, assuming you weren't christened '?', in which case I apologise and sympathise - it must be tough). I think there's no harm at all in recognising our differences as a way of binding together what unites us. The Channel Islands may have experienced a lot of English migration in the last Century, which no doubt changed their appearance and culture radically, but the fact remains they are both the oldest subjects of the crown and seemingly the most content - why? In my view because they're left to make their own decisions within an undeniably British but laissez faire system. Centralisation tends to breed resentment in the periphery, and that's why I think England should be sub-divided into smaller units, and indeed, I would also support equal representation for the regions in the upper house. However, at the end of the day this is a democracy, and many people are yet to be convinced of the merits of this. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:42:09 11/03/04 Wed I was only joking, you know! I'm not giving away my favourite source of moorland walks and cream-teas to the French... I only wanted to highlight, in a slightly facetious way, the somewhat tenuous claims of the Cornish Independence lot... what're they called, Mebyon Kernow, is it? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 03:04:05 11/04/04 Thu Tony Blair is the only ever British Labour PM who has had a majority in England. This is the compliment to Scots and Welsh arguments that Conservative governments represent England and not the Celtic parts of the Union: every single non-Conservative government since 1707 has been the result of Celtic votes, not English ones... it could be argued, therefore, that Scots complaints about unrepresentative English conservatism could be countered by arguments about unrepresentative Scots radicalism. Tony knows that his English majority is a freak, and that, after him, Labour will never have a majority in England again. In this context, his devolutionary politics are a paradox: they simultaneously prevent Scots and Welsh socialists from being drowned by English Tory votes and undermine the over-weighting of Scotland and Wales in parliament which has given Labour and the Liberals their only successes in Westminster. Peculiar... [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:51:09 11/03/04 Wed I have grave reservations about the fragmentation of England, and not only because I see it as an EU-sponsored con-trick in order to weaken any united political opposition to the relentless incursion of EU laws into our way of life. You may find it surprising that a Scot is defending English identity, but I do feel that it is under attack. We have seen the devolution settlement thus far in Scotland and Wales, which has resulted in resurgence in our relative “sub-national” identities within the UK. As I have stated before, I always saw this as a deliberate attempt to erode British Identity. The Government did not foresee a consequential rise in English identity as a replacement for it however. Could this be an attempt to quell this? I have another conspiracy theory that is perhaps more plausible, and it involves simple power-greed for the Labour party. Surely it has not escaped the attention of everyone here that all the devolution settlements thus far, and indeed the one being proposed currently in the North-East of England, are all in strong Labour heartlands? We now have guaranteed Labour control for the foreseeable future in Scotland, Wales, and if approved in the current referendum, in the North-East. I suspect that we will wait until Hell has been engulfed by an enormous glacier before we see any form of devolved power in East Anglia, granted by the Labour party. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 05:05:28 11/04/04 Thu The Bretons aren't French, they're Breton! They're a French colony!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:42:41 11/04/04 Thu By your definition of a colony, you would be hard pressed to find somewhere that isnt a colony. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 10:35:44 11/04/04 Thu "By your definition of a colony, you would be hard pressed to find somewhere that isnt a colony." Most places are. Most of so called Russia isn't Russian, but Bashkir, Mordvin etc. Hawaiians are a colonised nation too. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:16:46 11/04/04 Thu Well actualy all europe is a colony. We have no right to be here, the earlier species of human were here first. The entire population of the earth should just gte up and go live around lake victoria. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:12:20 11/05/04 Fri "Well actualy all europe is a colony. We have no right to be here, the earlier species of human were here first. The entire population of the earth should just gte up and go live around lake victoria." The area round Lake Victoria doesn't lay claim to Europe or try to rule it. That's the difference. However, England did colonise Lake Victoria in the recent past. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |