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Subject: New question or topic


Author:
Robin (for Debbie, because she's shy)
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Date Posted: 13:41:27 01/08/03 Wed

Debbie wrote: For a change of pace to the original High Falutin' Survey Questions (sorry RR!) and to find out how everyone really is these days, maybe people might like to suggest their own questions and/or topics?

Like "the worst job I had to take to get where I am today." You know we've all "been there" by now.

Or maybe share some of their more amusing "the time I was unfairly incarcerated" tales. (Drums, Saxophones -- this is your chance to shine!)

So let's have some more answers, and questions, everybody! Why were you incarcerated (unfairly, of course)?

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[> Subject: Re: New question or topic


Author:
Diego Pena
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Date Posted: 17:35:32 01/10/03 Fri

As legal counsel for many current and former woodwind and percussion players, take the Fifth Amendment, and do not answer this question. Trombone players would know better, and not answer it; trumpet players wouldn't understand and will incrminate themselves anyway. Clarinet players are smart enough not to get caught, and flute players were generally cute enough to talk they're way out of any trouble...The rest of you are on your own...

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[> [> Subject: Re: New question or topic


Author:
Baritone Player
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Date Posted: 03:00:31 01/11/03 Sat

What does incarcerated mean??

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: New question or topic


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Robin
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Date Posted: 10:49:39 01/11/03 Sat

Sent down (the river)

Thrown in the pokey.

Is that you, Evan?!

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: New question or topic


Author:
Debbie
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Date Posted: 13:39:19 01/11/03 Sat

"Incarceration" here would appear to mean two things -- (1) the baritone section was not paying attention in the courtroom, and (2) they did not hire Diego to represent them.

Unless, of course, they did.

Diego, please advise.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Incarceration


Author:
Diego Pena
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Date Posted: 20:57:03 01/14/03 Tue

Incareation: (noun) Being arrested or held against one's will; a forced condition; e.g., when band directors were required to make the baritones re-march or replay a section of music and/or a part of the half-time show, and the rest of the band was forced to listen and/or watch. See also: torture, cruel and unusual punishment, and violations of human rights and international law.

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[> Subject: Worst Jobs & Incarceration


Author:
Diego Pena
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Date Posted: 21:58:13 01/14/03 Tue

Worst job: (1) Bailing hay with a bunch of other band guys (Chuck Kuentz, Mike Groves, etc.,) without gloves. Hands were beat all to hell. To finish sooner, someone suggested that we stack the bales higher on the truck. Needless to say, we all fell off the top of the stack while driving the bales to the barn. Whatever we got paid, it wasn't enough.

(2) Flipping burgers at Jack on the Box on Evers Road in the summer of 1978, on the late night and graveyard shift. In addition to working the fryers, we had to fight off the drunks when the country western bar closed at 2 am. Kevlar jackets were recommended, but optional. Credit received for mastering bonus jacks and hand to hand combat.

Incarceration: Fifth Amendment; but, the Indiana statute of limitations for my alleged conduct runs in two months, and I may answer this question at that time.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Worst Jobs & Incarceration


Author:
Mike Groves
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Date Posted: 00:06:21 02/05/03 Wed

Bailin' Hay...I remember that...I believe we did it to raise money for the band, and if I remember correctly, we trashed the clutch on that truck as well.

Worst Job:
I can't remember the exact timeline, but one summer, John Gilsdorf and I went to work for a asphalt repair company. we had to use axes and shovels to cut the bad spots in the asphalt out. John lasted a couple of days, me, not much more. Should have flipped burgers at Jack.

Incarceration:
I plead the 5th.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Worst Jobs & Incarceration


Author:
Alan D. Valentine
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Date Posted: 06:15:18 02/07/03 Fri

Speaking of the hay bailing, anyone remember the CITRUS FRUIT sale we did to raise money for the band? Well, I do because ALL of that fruit got delivered to MY house where three fourths of it got picked up by band members over a two week period for delivery to their clients, and the rest turned to green powder...

The day it arrived in a BIG truck from the Valley, a few of you guys and I unloaded it, after which I caught my hand in the garage door and RIPPED A HUGE chunk of skin right out of my palm. A day I will never forget. Thank God for the garage door openers I've had at EVERY place I've lived since!

And Debbie Teal - I suspect it was your Band Booster dad and mine who dreamt up that scheme...!

RE: incarceration - does putting up with 100 underpaid, poorly raised, disgruntled symphony musicians for the last 25 years sound like a sentence to you? Hmmm... ;-)

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Worst Jobs & Incarceration


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Debbie
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Date Posted: 14:15:52 02/07/03 Fri

I'm sure that as my attorney, my dad would advise me to plead the Fifth on The Great Grapefruit Debacle...

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Worst Jobs


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Debbie
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Date Posted: 13:25:42 03/12/03 Wed

Three words to remember if Alan offers to bring dessert to the reunion or your next dinner party -- "Just Say No." By now that citrus "fruit compote" is more likely "fruit compost."

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[> Subject: Worst job or job experience


Author:
Debbie
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Date Posted: 02:09:06 01/18/03 Sat

The worst job I ever had? Like Diego, working in the "food service industry" while in school. Serving "John Q. Public" regularly exposed me to more lunatics than I ever encountered working in the psychiatric field.

Having said that, though, my worst MOMENT in a job was when working at the psych hospital in Bermuda, probably the equivalent of a state hospital in the States, only a heck of a lot more "relaxed," I guess you could say. There were only two of us in Medical Records, and while my shift started at 7:30 a.m., my boss didn't mosey in till a couple of hours later. (Being The Boss and a Bermudian, she could afford to have a very "lacksadaisical" attitude towards work.) Our department was isolated, yet had no panic buttons, "budget constraints" being the official reason given whenever we asked for them for security reasons. Unlike the general hospital, the psych hospital didn't have security guards on duty during the day, only at night when the wards were locked and the patients asleep (go figure). I used to regularly find the Security guy snoozing in the lobby when I got to work, catching up on a few z's till his shift ended at 8:00.

Thus one morning I found myself alone with a patient who'd wandered into my office, nothing unusual since virtually all of them were on open wards and freely roamed the hospital. However, in this case I happened to know that "Sinclair" was a convicted rapist who'd been transferred to us from Her Majesty's Prison near the end of his sentence, which recently had expired. Now that he had been transferred from the only locked ward to an open ward, he decided to "go walkabout" and ended up in my office.

Given the state of "Security," I knew I'd have to deal with him myself. Ignoring my stern reminders that he knew he wasn't to be in there and would have to leave, he just kept looking me up and down "appreciatively" while saying, "You're looking good, you know. No one can hear us back here, no one would even know I'm in here..." Which unfortunately was true! For some reason, instead of being scared (then), I found myself really, really p***ed off. Pointing to the door and in my best "schoolmarm" voice (? where THAT came from) I told him, "I want you to leave RIGHT NOW! And there's the door!!" and started marching him towards it. Surprisingly, he actually came trailing behind me, looking like a naughty and very frightened schoolboy, all the while apologizing, "Yes ma'am, I'm sorry, ma'am..." as he went out the door, which I promptly slammed shut and locked. My boss and the hospital administrators were naturally horrified when they found out, but we never did get any panic buttons installed --"budget constraints," of course...

Okay, I've done my bit. Someone else's turn now -- worst job or worst job experience?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Worst job experience and incarceration


Author:
Debbie
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Date Posted: 16:41:49 01/20/03 Mon

Only after writing the above did I realize that I'd managed to get "incarceration" (not my own, however) and "worst job experience" into the same anecdote...

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[> Subject: Re: New question or topic


Author:
David H
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Date Posted: 00:37:54 01/25/03 Sat

...can't think of a time when I (or any friend, for that matter) was ever UNFAIRLY incarcerated...

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