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Subject: Strut tower braces


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 11:02:06 02/02/03 Sun

I'm thinking of building strut tower braces. If I did, would anyone want to buy them? I'm going to build them for Tony's daytona, charger and my cars to see about how much they are going to cost me to build! If I can sell them cheaper than everyone else, still make it worth my time, and can get enough positive feedback; I will build them to sell!
Thanks,
John

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[> Subject: Re: Strut tower braces


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mpbiv
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Date Posted: 11:51:26 02/02/03 Sun

What type of construction? Will it have adjustable with heim joints? Steel? Aluminum? Both? I am not sure if I will be buying one soon but I am always on the lookout for ones that use an aluminum bar and heim joints between the two struts. There use to be someone out there making them or modifying them for Daytonas that were like this but I don't think the do anymore.

Something similar to this but the actual strut mounts can be steel or aluminum.
http://www.shophyperformance.com/~estore/cgi-bin/cart.cgi/000030.html

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[> Subject: Re: Strut tower braces


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John
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Date Posted: 12:08:00 02/02/03 Sun

Well for now I was going to use steel,with or without heim joints, and maybe figure out some way to incorporate a torque strap for the engine into the design! I could build an aluminum one though, I'll research it and see what I come up with! I'm always open to options and aluminum welding is my specialty! I just don't know if an aluminum stb would put up with the strain of an added torque strap and still be practical with the sturdiness of material used it might be as heavy as a steel one made out of smaller material and cost alot more! Aluminum is alot more expensive to buy than steel!

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[> [> Subject: Re: Strut tower braces


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mpbiv
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Date Posted: 13:47:01 02/02/03 Sun

Well I was thinking just a nice sized piece of aluminum stock drilled and tapped at each end with heims and jam nuts. You could get away with making it so that you don't need to weld.

I guess the only reason I really want it is to get a nice polished finish. In all practicality steel is probably better than aluminum in the long run because it has a higher endurance limit (won't fatigue as easily), and both would probably be the same weight to provide the same given strength.

Oh and could you describe what the torque strap is that you are refering to?

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[> Subject: Re: Strut tower braces


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john
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Date Posted: 22:21:58 02/02/03 Sun

The torque strap would be a bracket on the stb and on the top of the engine (probably on the head or something)with some kind of bushinged strap between the two! Just an idea I've got in my head that might help to put a little more power to the ground by reducing give on the top side of the engine! I don't want to give away all my secrets until I get the time to build it and make it work without any bugs! As far as the construction and materials used I am willing to adapt to anyone's special needs!

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[> Subject: Re: Strut tower braces


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John
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Date Posted: 22:35:38 02/02/03 Sun

mpbiv are you the only one on this site? lol Hell I figured I'd have gotten a million inquiries by now! Well I gotta work this week so I might not be able to get back to anyone till the weekend! This weekend I'll be fabricating and I'll see about getting some pics of one installed on Tony's Daytona! Hopefully if all goes well any way!

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mpbiv
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Date Posted: 22:55:20 02/02/03 Sun

Well for the moment being this is kind of (without any intentions to degrade Tony's efforts) a temporary td.com. There aren't that many of us here total and everyone here has a different participation level. I am sure more people would be interested once td.com is up and you offer it to more people.

As for the torque strap, sounds like a cool idea, but wouldn't you're strut tower brace have to be completely solid it for it to work properly?

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[> Subject: Re: Strut tower braces


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John
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Date Posted: 21:56:36 02/03/03 Mon

No actually completely solid material will flex more than a piece of tubing! For example if you wanted to buy these get a 4' piece of say 3/8" steel rod and a 4' piece of 3/8" sch.40 pipe (tubing) and try bending them over your knee, the rod will flex easier than the tubing! It has something to do with the wall on the tubing acting against it's self to keep it from flexing and the rod being solid the grain structure of the metal will be inline and will bend and flex making it actually weaker than the tubing! Boy I'm glad to see that in four years of college and about 7yrs welding and fab experience I did learn a few things!LOL

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[> Subject: Re: Strut tower braces


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mpbiv
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Date Posted: 23:05:01 02/03/03 Mon

I don't believe thats not to say you cannot use a solid core rod. Provided you are only placing an axial load on it, then I think it would work fine.

I agree after thinking about it that tubing is probably the better way to go.

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[> Subject: Re: Strut tower braces


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John
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Date Posted: 11:22:54 02/04/03 Tue

Even if it was just for the strut tower brace and no torque strap, I think that the solid rod would still flex more than the tubing and it would be a waste of money! Don't get me wrong a solid strut tower brace would be better than none at all but I don't think it would be worth it for the added weight and flex of the solid bar!

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[> Subject: Re: Strut tower braces


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John
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Date Posted: 11:27:41 02/06/03 Thu

Well the strut tower braces have to be put on hold for at least another week! One of my friends wants me to weld alot of patch panels on a 1958 jeep! So unless he gets someone else to do it, I'm stuck with it! He's one of my very good friends that helps me out whenever I need it (not every day you can get someone to drive 100 miles to help you swap a tranny unless you've got a friend like him) so I just can't say no! I'll post back when they are completed and perfected!

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[> Subject: Re: Strut tower braces


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dodgeshelby87
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Date Posted: 18:14:48 02/06/03 Thu

If I can ever get my Shadow together I could bring it up and you could use the one on it as a template to build the ones for the Shadow's and Daytona's.

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John
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Date Posted: 11:52:37 02/10/03 Mon

Cool, but i thought you were selling it!

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[> Subject: Re: Strut tower braces


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tonyz2897
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Date Posted: 00:32:23 02/08/03 Sat

we'll get it going Rob. Just lemmie know when you want to get started and I'll head down and help. Oh, and btw, I'm getting my taxes done soon, so I might just have that money to you for the injectors sooner than we thought.
Tony

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[> Subject: Re: Strut tower braces


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dodgeshelby87
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Date Posted: 10:10:27 02/08/03 Sat

Like I said you dont owe me a thing if you can just find me a windshield and possibly help me put it in or find a cheap windshield and pay the difference to help me get it put in.I need to get this car going.Get this I got a flat tire last night in the snow and couldnt change it.The truck is TOO LOW with a flat to get the jack under it.So I had to drive it from the place we got gas the first day I had the CSX-T to the house.Im tellin you what those rim protector tires are worth it.I drove it for at least 5 miles with a flat and the rim never hit the ground once.Get on Yahoo I'll be on there it's 1:10PM.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Strut tower braces


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John
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Date Posted: 21:32:01 02/10/03 Mon

I'll keep an eye out for a windshield for you. Shouldn't be anything to put in, those glue in windshields are pretty easy. I've probably done 20 of them! I think a tube of eurathane (can't spell for shit) runs about $9 and if you cut the old one out right you don't need to buy the eurathane base (kit is what most people call it)!

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