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Subject: The Ivy League will participate to FCS Playoffs from now on! Author: LeCowboySolitaire (FINALLY) [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 10:03:28 12/18/24 Wed https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1869380311878119916 "Sources: The Ivy League has agreed to participate in the NCAA Division I FCS playoffs, starting with the 2025 season. The league had long ended its season at the end of the regular season. Marks a distinct shift for Ivy League football, which can now play for national title." [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: The Ivy League will participate to FCS Playoffs from now on! Author: LeCowboySolitaire [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:09:29 12/18/24 Wed https://ivyleague.com/news/2024/12/18/football-fb-fcs-announcement.aspx "PRINCETON, N.J. – Following a year-long process initiated by the Ivy League’s Student-Athlete Advisory Committee (SAAC), the Ivy League Council of Presidents has approved a proposal to participate in the NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) playoffs beginning next season. “The Ivy League prides itself on a storied tradition of impact, influence and competitive success throughout the history of college football. We now look ahead to a new chapter of success and to further enhancing the student-athlete experience with our participation in the NCAA FCS playoffs,” said Ivy League Executive Director Robin Harris. “I want to commend the students on our SAAC for their thoughtful and thorough proposal as well as their commitment to the league’s legislative process.” The Ivy League SAAC is comprised of 17 student-athletes from all eight institutions, competing in a total of 12 different sports. The mission of the student-athlete run committee is to advocate for student-athlete well-being and to foster a positive student-athlete experience. “It’s a monumental day in the Ivy League and a special day to be an Ivy League student-athlete,” said Mason Shipp, a senior football student-athlete at Yale who serves as the Ivy League SAAC chair and penned the proposal. “Thank you to the Presidents for listening and responding to the voices of your students. For the future generations that are fortunate enough to represent the Ivy League in the FCS playoffs, go win us some hardware!” “I am thrilled to be a part of the inclusion of Ivy League football in the FCS playoffs,” said Leah Carey, a senior softball student-athlete at Brown who serves as the Ivy League’s national Division I SAAC representative. “A huge thank you to everyone at the Ivy League office and the Presidents for making this milestone possible. I can’t wait to see the next student-athletes competing at the highest level.” Instrumental in the foundation and growth of college football, the Ivy League’s role as a leader and innovator in the sport has continued through the present day. Stemming from the league’s ongoing overall review of concussions, launched in 2010, the Ivy League has pioneered numerous measures to enhance the safety of the game. Two prominent modifications include the elimination of live to-the-ground tackling during regular season practices and moving the kickoff up to the 40-yard line in league games, which has resulted in an increase in touchbacks and a reduction in concussion injuries. The Ivy League’s history of competitive success has also persisted to the present day. In 12 of the past 14 seasons, the Ivy League has posted a non-conference winning percentage of .500 or higher. Since 2017, the league is collectively 119-49 (.708). That success has translated to the next level both on the field and in front offices. More than 20 Ivies from all eight institutions earned roster spots on NFL teams. An Ivy alum in the NFL has won the Super Bowl in 10 of the last 12 seasons. The 2024 season culminated with Columbia, Dartmouth and Harvard earning a share of the Ivy League title. Over the next several months, the league will develop tiebreakers to determine how its automatic qualifier will be awarded when there are co-champions in the future. " [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: The Ivy League will participate to FCS Playoffs from now on! Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:36:29 12/18/24 Wed Better late than never. Some ivy fans will have to overcome their gag reflex to see their teams play in those upper midwest flyover destinations. I see Hero Sports magnanimously suggests "some" ivy teams "may" have been good enough for a "quarterfinal" (final 8) run. More seriously, I think this could help counter, a little, the NIL recruiting disadvantage. On the other hand, it could lead to making coaching positions less comfy and increased financial burdens in hiring competitive staffs. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: The Ivy League will participate to FCS Playoffs from now on! Author: Tenzac [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:53:25 12/18/24 Wed And this raises another fundamental question. If Ivy League schools like Harvard and Yale are prepared to participate in the D1 FCS Playoffs, does this mean that it now acceptable for NESCAC schools like Williams and Amherst to participate in the D3 Playoffs? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: WOW! Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:49:26 12/18/24 Wed Glad to be so completely wrong! I have to give these 8 some grudging credit. Wow. First Columbia, now this! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: The Ivy League will participate to FCS Playoffs from now on! Author: M3 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:57:42 12/18/24 Wed Great News An important step to making Ivy football somewhat more relevant again on the national stage [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: The Ivy League will participate to FCS Playoffs from now on! Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:58:27 12/18/24 Wed Good to see them working on a tie-breaker system. They managed to resist the idea of yet another Ivy playoff. Will wonders never cease. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: The Ivy League will participate to FCS Playoffs from now on! Author: Tenzac [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:01:44 12/18/24 Wed How the Patriot League breaks ties for football: a. If a tie exists, the higher seed will go to the team that won the most head-to-head League contest(s) played against the other team(s) involved in the tie. b. If a tie still exists, a comparison of League records will be made between the tied institutions starting at the highest seed and continuing through the lowest seed, if necessary. c. If a tie still exists, a comparison of records against common out-of-league opponents will be made. d. If a tie still exists, a committee consisting of the athletics directors of each of the institutions not involved in the tie will make a final decision. The committee should consider various factors including, but not limited to, the following examples. Note: the examples are listed in no particular order: 1. strength of schedule 2. overall record 3. computer rankings 4. performance during second half of season ***** This season, Harvard, Dartmouth, and Columbia were tied at 5-2. If the IL had used PL procedures, then Harvard goes to the playoffs under (a) above, because H beat D and C [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: The Ivy League will participate to FCS Playoffs from now on! Author: Yale OL [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:09:27 12/18/24 Wed Outstanding News! Honestly, did not see this coming at all! Wow!! Go IVY LEAGUE!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: The Ivy League will participate to FCS Playoffs from now on! Author: Ivy wanna be [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:02:54 12/18/24 Wed That is tremendous news.!! It’s a long time coming. Hopefully they can add an 11th game to the schedule as well. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: I think you will all agree that... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:24:59 12/18/24 Wed ... Dartmouth's Sian Beilock is the most awesomest Ivy president ever!!!! She's the only one of the current group that people identified as being pro-playoffs. It's fair to assume that others followed her lead. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: I think you will all agree that. Author: Ivy wanna be [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:07:09 12/18/24 Wed She’s the visionary, that this league needed to keep the Ivy League relevant in the 21st-century. Next thing to do is to start the season earlier. Add an 11th game to the schedule. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: The Ivy League will participate to FCS Playoffs from now on! Author: Son of Eli [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:33:15 12/18/24 Wed Mason Shipp deserves a monument outside the Yale Bowl for this. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: The Ivy League will participate to FCS Playoffs from now on! Author: RedWin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:47:05 12/18/24 Wed Leave it to a woman president to bring change, when the old guard of the Ivy League couldn't see beyond their shoes. Thank you president Sian Beilock for your vision and leadership. Go Ivy League! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Obvious which team should have gone this year!!! Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:56:51 12/18/24 Wed The Columbia Lions with the #2 defense in FCS of course! No disrespect to the other 2 but the league must be sure to send their best!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Obvious which team should have gone this year!!! Author: bulldog10jw [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:29:50 12/18/24 Wed But Harvard would have gone since they beat both Dartmouth and Columbia. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Yep Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:59:49 12/18/24 Wed Most tie-breaker rules have head-to-head records as the first determination. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Another scenario re: three way tie Author: bulldog10jw [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:27:34 12/18/24 Wed The problem will be how to break a three way tie if each of the three teams had a win and a loss against the other two. It may have happened since, but I only remember 1969 when Yale, Dartmouth, and Princeton were all 6-1 in the league. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Another scenario re: three way tie Author: Son of Eli [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:39:54 12/18/24 Wed My guess is the best scoring differential in league play [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I hate point differentials Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:47:25 12/18/24 Wed They create bad incentives to run up scores. I'd much prefer the league look to which of the tri-champs beat the fourth place team. And if two of the tri-champions have beaten the fourth place team, then the winner of the head-to-head game between them should get the bid. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I hate point differentials Author: Son of Eli [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:54:56 12/19/24 Thu I wish Yale had run up the score more on Dartmouth this year when they had the chance. ;) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Obvious which team should have gone this year!!! Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:38:29 12/18/24 Wed Nope - best defense goes. Defense wins championships. Also League will use the NBC Olympic coverage rule: best story wins. RLR!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Obvious which team should have gone this year!!! Author: L et V [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:50:43 12/18/24 Wed Stick to tradition. Break ties by jousting. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: 'Best' defense is determined by what set of objective standards? Author: Valmas (Stoic) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:32:14 12/18/24 Wed You're just not serious. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 'Best' defense is determined by what set of objective standards? Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:30:38 12/19/24 Thu My dude - objectively the purpose of a defense is to limit points scored by opposing offenses. Not yards gained, not first downs but points. Our Lions were head and shoulders better than anyone else in IL. By definition, objectively the best defense. See that wasnt hard and clearly serious Please be nice, it is the holiday season. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 'Best' defense is determined by what set of objective standards? Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:46:20 12/19/24 Thu Taking my cues from you GG. Happy you’ve noticed Now I have to start coming up with reasons why my Big Red are truly #1 as well. Probably something to do with thrashing Dart - no disrespect intended [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Points allowed is but one data point. Author: Valmas (Stoic) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:19:59 12/20/24 Fri But in successive posts - snd news to me - you've referenced 'our Lions' and 'your Big Red'; so perhaps you've taken ownership of the IL and are thus entitled to calling the shots as you see them on postseason participation. Mazel tov! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Points allowed is but one data point. Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:14:37 12/20/24 Fri Or is there a simpler explanation? … [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: I'm sure that... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:04:04 12/19/24 Thu ... if Columbia led the league in third-down conversions, our Lurker friend would find a way to insist that should be the standard to determine the champion. :) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: The Ivy League will participate to FCS Playoffs from now on! Author: The Mountain Lion [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:59:41 12/18/24 Wed Go Green seems to have some solid information about which Ivy League President was the principal catalyst in making all this happen. I am not surprised that Dartmouth's President Sian Beilock was the catalyst in making this monumental event happen as she was certainly supportive of Columbia's athletic teams when she was President of Barnard. However, I suspect that Columbia's Interim President Katrina Armstrong was also heavily in favor of the Presidents' decision, as she has shown herself to be a tremendous supporter of the Columbia Football Team. Finally, I note for thought that the current group of Ivy League Presidents is far different from their predecessors [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Crazy and great news!! Author: Lion rooter [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:56:51 12/19/24 Thu In case of tie breaker have the school presidents arm wrestle each other — although jousting is also appealing for pageantry and visual effect -jousters in school colors with undergrads as squires !! In another note - Fordham football went to 12 games this year - wow! Agreed that we could add a game - possibly have byes !! Funny how this playoff arrival came in under the radar! Also bring back grilled burgers or Dinosaur bbq to games! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: 12th game Author: voy vey [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:46:50 12/19/24 Thu FCS is allowed 12 games in years where there is an extra weekend between Labor Day and Thanksgiving. All FCS schools (not just Fordham) did so this year...except, of course, the Ivy League. There will be 12 games for FCS next year, as well. Then the next occurrence will be 2030. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: I didn't check all but.... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:51:42 12/19/24 Thu Looks like the nonscholarship programs went with 11 games this past season as well. Georgetown and a few PFLs (although I didn't check all). [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I didn't check all but.... Author: voy vey [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:20:18 12/20/24 Fri Admittedly, I did not check the records of every FCS school before posting that. However, there were 12-game schedules played by a significant majority of FCS programs, including 4 of 11 Pioneer League teams. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Feinstein: "It's about time" Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:21:59 12/20/24 Fri https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/12/20/ivy-league-football-postseason-playoffs/ Lede: "The Ivy League entered the 20th century this week. Of course, it waited almost 25 years into the 21st century to do so." [ Post a Reply to This Message ]