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Subject: Why is Stetson on any Ivy League school's schedule? Author: Ed S. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 15:01:14 09/20/25 Sat They are a Div 2 football team at best. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Why is Stetson on any Ivy League school's schedule? Author: John Harvard [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:05:49 09/20/25 Sat Crimson up 45-0 at the half, but don’t actually look very good. Craig missed a couple of wide open receivers, no RB has look very good despite using 5 different RB’s. Lost a fumble inside the Stetson 10. Sort of a scrimmage. And now Stetson scores a TD early in second half. Not sure if starting personnel was starting the second half.

[> [> Subject: I speak from experience... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:24:39 09/20/25 Sat It's very easy to lose the intensity when you're up by 5-plus touchdowns. You just want to go home and get the victory parties started. :)

[> [> Subject: Re: Why is Stetson on any Ivy League school's schedule? Author: John Harvard [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:08:55 09/20/25 Sat Surely, and the bench was really utilized with a backup QB playing the entire second half and 6 RB’s overall. Still, a lot of key roster changes. Got the impression this team has a way to go before we know how it stacks up. Change to avenge really big loss against Brown next week. Brown destroyed Georgetown 46-0. Georgetown came in 2-1 with a 42-37 loss to Lafayette. Lafayette beat Columbia 38-14 last night.

[> Subject: Re: Why is Stetson on any Ivy League school's schedule? Author: Harvard Crimson Rule! [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:30:55 09/20/25 Sat Powder puff opponent, there's really no excuse they should be scheduling the likes of Stetson.

[> [> Subject: Re: Why is Stetson on any Ivy League school's schedule? Author: Joe Friday [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:49:30 09/20/25 Sat Very purposeful scheduling. Gives the staff the opportunity to see what they have and don’t have - especially with depth - to varying degrees so they can make adjustments/changes before League schedule. Also a fun road trip for the players, and fun is a key ingredient in camaraderie/team building.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Why is Stetson on any Ivy League school's schedule? Author: Harvard Crimson Rule! [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:55:37 09/20/25 Sat How is it purposeful scheduling? Any out of conference opponent in the Patriot League would be better. You at least want an opponent that is close to your level, Stetson is far far from it.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why is Stetson on any Ivy League school's schedule? Author: Joe Friday [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:25:15 09/20/25 Sat Purposeful for the reasons I gave above, and, playing a weaker opponent also lessens the chances of catastrophic injuries while not eliminating the possibility all together obviously. IL guys are generally bigger and stronger than those in the Pioneer or whatever. These types of games are about seeing what you really have at game speed, especially in position groups with some new starters. Yes, playing a credible Patriot opponent would be a better test, but the reality is that your 1s don’t need to be tested. - they’re already tested, which is why they’re 1s. The approach on these games is total cost/benefit/doing nothing on purpose that will lower the chances of winning an IL championship, which really helps coaching contracts get renewed.

[> [> Subject: Re: Why is Stetson on any Ivy League school's schedule? Author: John Harvard (Scrimmage) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:36:20 09/21/25 Sun This game was merely a scrimmage. Sort of like the Crimson starting MBB with MIT/TUFTS/MARIST. Remember, this is the league’s opening weekend vs opponents who have already played 3 games. Unlike other sports, OOC SOS means nothing. There is no way any team other than the League champion makes the postseason. The league was always under ranked in favor of those eligible for the postseason. That bias will likely continue. So, with Harvard playing a competitive Brown squad in week #2, the optimal is a scrimmage at home. I hope the traveling to Florida doesn’t end up being a negative in advance of next weekend. Can’t lose to Btown again if we hope to make the postseason.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Why is Stetson on any Ivy League school's schedule? Author: John Harvard (Isaiah) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:46:45 09/21/25 Sun I’ve posted about Isiah Bullock (formerly Isiah Abbey) in past years. At 6’2” 220, he’s a beast of a RB. He appears to be behind only Bascon this year., unless he continues to fumble the ball, which he did early and in the red zone. Still, scored 2 TD’s. I think Bascon only played the opening drive when he scored. 4 other RB’s got far more carries, with a couple looking good.

[> [> [> Subject: Scrimmage? Author: Big Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:31:50 09/22/25 Mon Yeah all the Ivy League schools should open with a game against a Division 3 team as a scrimmage opener...how about no!

[> [> [> [> Subject: Really wasn't that long ago when... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:38:55 09/22/25 Mon For about two generations (if not more), the Ivy teams would indeed schedule a scrimmage against other schools--including the occasional D-III school. But because other teams began starting the season earlier and we insisted in opening the third week of September, we literally didn't have anyone else to scrimmage except each other. Eventually, the league stopped doing it.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Old Thinking Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:15:16 09/23/25 Tue With FCS playoff eligibility, SOS is now everything. At Large bids, not to mention potential multi-team tiebreakers...

[> [> [> [> Subject: The counter-argument is... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:01:23 09/23/25 Tue Holy Cross is a good example of a team that's probably getting worn out by consistently playing a strong OOC schedule. I do not know what the balance is. But I do agree that Harvard can do better than Stetson.

[> Subject: Re: Why is Stetson on any Ivy League school's schedule? Author: John Harvard (FCS Rankings) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:48:29 09/22/25 Mon FCS rankings are out. Likely due to our late start, no Ivy squad is ranked. Dartmouth, Harvard and Yale did get votes. We are behind a slew of teams with two or even three losses thus far. Suspect that as ranked teams lose more games, if DHY prevail in OOC that they'll join the rankings. I do think there will be a prejudice against us for a second bid, just as there is in MBB. In this instance, however, there really shouldn't be because our conference schedule won't weaking our SOS as it does in MBB.

[> [> Subject: Brown, too Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:16:54 09/22/25 Mon https://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings/_/poll/20/week/5/year/2025/seasontype/2 Although I will bet that Bruno's votes disappear after this week...

[> [> Subject: Re: Why is Stetson on any Ivy League school's schedule? Author: Grin and Bear it (Say What GG???) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:21:06 09/22/25 Mon I will remember you said that.

[> [> [> Subject: I assure you that Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:26:18 09/22/25 Mon If Brown wins on Saturday, there will be plenty of celebrating in my household. :)

[> [> [> Subject: Bad news... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:24:35 09/29/25 Mon The weekly FCS Coaches' poll is out. Brown did not get any votes. :(

[> Subject: Re: Why is Stetson on any Ivy League school's schedule? Author: Steve Mathiason [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:11:51 09/22/25 Mon Harvard has never really been known for ambitious OOC scheduling

[> [> Subject: Re: Why is Stetson on any Ivy League school's schedule? Author: Ivy Guru [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:38:40 09/22/25 Mon If Princeton can go all the way out to the west coast to play San Diego, why can’t the big boys (D,H,Y) schedule an early season game vs North or South Dakota powerhouse. I bet there would be some national interest in a Harvard vs NDSU game

[> [> Subject: In fairness... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:22:47 09/22/25 Mon Harvard adopted the "cupcake" mentality under Murphy. His predecessors (Restic, Yovicsin) had nothing to apologize for in terms of nonconference games (except for two games against Tufts in the 1960s). I'm willing to believe that Stetson was put on the schedule by Murphy. We will see what Auric envisions for Crimson football.

[> [> [> Subject: Keep In Mind Author: Ivy Patriot [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:52:40 09/23/25 Tue The current Ivy League schedules were made prior to the decision to allow teams to go to the playoffs. It will be interesting down the road to see if the Ivy League scheduling philosophy changes at least a little with regard to strength of schedule and its role in playoff seeding.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: In fairness... Author: Memphis Bill [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:31:16 09/23/25 Tue GG’s “cupcake” comment iro Harvard scheduling under Murphy is well grounded. Friends in the H football family used to tell me that Coach M believed that the Ivy crown, in his view, was not the main thing, it was the only thing. To that end he did opt for a soft non league schedule, and was reactionary re postseason play. Now the Harvard field is named for him, maybe he was right, we’ll see.

[> [> [> [> Subject: In response to Ivy Guru Author: Ivy wanna be [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:03:13 09/23/25 Tue Last time they played in SanDiego was 2023, last Saturday was in Princeton. Up until Vicky Chunn, came along. Her focus seems to be on women’s sports. Yale was in the forefront of interesting OOC games. CalPoly, Big Sky in California a Yale win. Army at the Yale Bowl an Overtime Yale win. Richmond CAA in Richmond a Yale win. UConn a Yale lost . But if Reno put in Nolan Grooms in earlier. I believe Yale would have won that game. All these games were put together by Tom Beckett, who Vicky Chunn could hold a candle too. I don’t expect her to do the job of Mr. Beckett. I miss that era. I and others would welcome a more challenging schedule. It would be , great for the Team, the fans , The Community and The Ivy League. Whenever an Ivy League team plays an OOC opponent. I want to see them do well. Cheers to all

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: In response to Ivy Guru Author: Eli1143770312 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:25:58 09/23/25 Tue You miss the Tom Beckett era? Yale went 7-17 against Harvard during Tom's tenure; you must be a Harvard fan. Across all sports, Yale averaged about three Ivy championships per year, among the worst in the League. There were good things he accomplished as well in terms of improving the facilities and raising the athletics endowment, but it was hardly a golden age for Yale.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Eli1143770312 stop wiping your elbow, it’s the other end Author: Ivy wanna be [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:42:49 09/23/25 Tue Talking about OOC, Tom Beckett, got the ball rolling for this team. Chun walked into a turn key operation.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Eli1143770312 stop wiping your elbow, it’s the other end Author: Eli1143770312 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:02:10 09/23/25 Tue Tom: I didn’t realize that was you! Hope your retirement is going well. I’d have traded a few wins in The Game for your accomplishments in OOC play but maybe that’s just me. Yale football was on the upswing when you left with wins against Harvard in your last two years (after losing 14 out of 15 in the preceding years), so thanks for that. I’m not a big fan of Vikki but not sure why some get so worked up about her. It’s obviously not about Ws and Ls because they haven’t been as bad as during your tenure.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Eli1143770312 stop wiping your elbow, it’s the other end Author: Ivy wanna be [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:12:29 09/23/25 Tue Eli1235628 , I didn’t realize Vicky , was coaching. Give Vicky a hug .again the topic was OOC . Stay with subject matter. Now stop wiping your elbow. It’s the other end .

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Beckett vs Chun Author: Son of Eli [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:19:09 09/23/25 Tue Football attendance has nose-dived under Chun. Yale won National Championships in Men’s Hockey and Men’s Lacrosse under Beckett. Yale Baseball went to NCAA regionals and won two games under Beckett. Reno was a Beckett hire.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Beckett vs Chun Author: Son of Eli (Continued) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:40:14 09/23/25 Tue James Jones was also a Beckett hire and under Beckett Yale went to the NCAA men’s basketball tournament for the first time in 54 years. Chun has just ridden Beckett’s coattails in football and men’s basketball while men’s hockey has imploded under her tenure.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Clarification... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:12:27 09/24/25 Wed REPORTED football attendance has nosedived under Chun. Some of the football attendance numbers put out by Beckett were not believable. Chun was only guilty of being honest.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Clarification... Author: Son of Eli [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:28:04 09/24/25 Wed I go to the games and I have eyes. Trust me, attendance is precipitously down.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Clarification... Author: voy vey [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:37:03 09/24/25 Wed I'll back up SoE's "eye test" on this. Did Beckett pad the announced attendance figures? For sure. Is that the only explanation for Yale's drop in announced attendance? It probably does not even account for half of the drop.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Would you all agree that... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:43:49 09/24/25 Wed ... Chun was not successful in reversing--or even stopping--a trend that began roughly in the mid 1970s?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Would you all agree that... Author: voy vey [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:47:32 09/24/25 Wed I'll agree, and clarify: Chun has accelerated a trend that began roughly in the mid 1970s.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Clarification... Author: Ivy wanna be [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:08:32 09/24/25 Wed I’ve been going to these games since 1967, the numbers weren’t inflated, Yale had a great following. People would come from all parts of Connecticut and New York. Yale had an easy inviting aura . If you wanted to go tailgate, you got a rubber stamp. To come back in. You could bring in your own food subs, pizza, binoculars. Now if you leave no entry. I hear it all the time, this isn’t fun to watch a game because of the restrictions. That Chun has implemented. Yale is lucky if they have 2,000 to 5,000 on good day . Instead of the 7,000 to 12,000 per Beckett’s era. That is FACT.!!

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Clarification... Author: Eli1143770312 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:17:02 09/24/25 Wed I’m responsible for this conversation veering off into a Beckett v Chun conversation (among Yalies, presumably). While I bristle at the notion of looking back to some golden age under Beckett (although things picked up at the tail end of his tenure), I’m not carrying water for Chun either. I’ve attended Yale football games back to the pre-Cozza era and it is 100% correct that football attendance has dropped steadily for 50+ years. Part of that is outside of the control of any administrator, but Yale does virtually nothing in terms of promotion to sell tickets and then it makes the experience at the Bowl unpleasant. Others have mentioned the ridiculous policy of blocking reentry if you return to your car. They also prevent any food or drinks from being brought in although they post signs saying otherwise. And Yale completely mismanages parking for the only time there is a big crowd, for Harvard biannually. I bought tickets from Harvard last year for The Game in Boston and have gotten on the Crimson promotion distribution list ever since. They appear to be doing quite a good job; I’ll be interested to see if Harvard attendance picks up as a result. I wish Yale would try to learn some lessons from the “Team from the North.”

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: In fairness... Author: Stetson Hat [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:23:14 09/23/25 Tue Stetson football has an IL connection through former Princeton coach Roger Hughes who was HC at Stetson for many years. Princeton played Stetson in 2021 and 2022. The Harvard-Stetson series was announced after Murphy retired although it may have been initiated by him. Aurich being from Princeton possibly could have been a factor.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: In fairness... Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:32:57 09/26/25 Fri Ironically, Hughes was gone from Stetson, taking over as a college President at his alma mater I believe, by the time the 2021 game was played. It was a 63-0 scrimmage. 2022 was more competitive. For Stetson, another chance to travel a distance for a different venue and experience. For Princeton and any other Ivy seeking a series with them, a chance to showcase the program to Florida recruits and give families of Florida and southeast players a closer chance to see their sons play.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: In fairness... Author: Harvard Crimson Rule! [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:11:33 09/26/25 Fri There are plenty of other FCS schools in Florida that would provide a more competitive game than Stetson. I hope this is last we see of that school on an Ivy League schedule.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: In fairness... Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:34:40 09/26/25 Fri Plenty? Are there more than 2 possibly 3 others in Florida? In any event I don’t think scheduling OOC is a simple thing, and the Hughes-Princeton connection made that 2 game series achievable.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: There used to be Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:32:20 09/26/25 Fri A generation ago, there were a good number of FCS/I-AA teams in the Sunshine State. Most of them have moved up to FBS. Pretty sure its just Stetson and the SWAC schools now.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: In fairness... Author: Joe Friday [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:49:51 09/26/25 Fri No, there aren’t. FL A&M and that may be it.