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] Date Posted: 14:51:50 03/01/24 Fri Call me crazy, idk if CLRG will ever stop the cheating or do anything about it but I was thinking recently of a way that could combat the cheating. All dancers wear all black outfits, and no wigs. Makeup is fine. Dancers sectioned into groups of 20 (101-121) and those numbers are repeated until the end of the age group. Each group is categorized as A,B,C etc. Just thinking of a way to make cheating harder espeically when you say my DD is number 103.. okay there are 5 103's making it challenging. Just shooting the sh!t. Would love to hear other thoughts. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
| [> Subject: How about grown adults just be ethical? | |
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Author: Too much to ask? [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:20:01 03/01/24 Fri Until the scoring system is changed and things are not so subjective, they will have that to fall back on for why they gave a dancer this specific mark. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: I agree with everything you said, except for the part about the dancers on the podia being complicit. I don't know for sure as our school is small and not at all prominent, but I tend to think it's the TCs/ADs who are cheating to bring glory to themselves/their schools rather than the dancers being complicit. | |
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Author: my thoughts [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:29:26 03/02/24 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: AP here- if you are responding to "regulars on the podium" | |
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Author: I meant the schools that regularly hv dancers on multiple podiums [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:41:06 03/02/24 Sat ADCRGs and TCs are definitely the ones profiting off the backs of the children whether for glory or to lure dancers with promises of wins and titles. IMHO children are never the ones in the wrong. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Yes, sorry, not sure how my comment ended up beneath that other comment but I was in fact responding to the "regulars on the podium" comment. | |
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Author: thanks for clarifying your point [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:41:41 03/04/24 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I wish there was a way through this | |
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Author: I think no one in power really wants to (or can) solve this problem [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 05:34:48 03/02/24 Sat I think competitive Irish Dance will always be corrupt. It appears to be in the tapestry of it. At this point, there is no question that we have clear evidence of competition fixing worldwide but CLRG is either unable or unwilling to stop it. Not every school cheats- I do believe that is true. That said, quite a few schools worldwide have been outed- and the regulars on the podium in multiple age groups in both regional and major comps are likely complicit in the game. We now know for certain who the cheats are in NE (screenshot evidence) and some of us suspect there are more based on past associations (where there's smoke). As a parent, I believe you have to choose to be ok with the corruption to continue to participate in it. Look the other way, turn a blind eye and all that. It really is awful for kids that truly and deeply love this sport. The adults have really let these children down, and by all rights, parents should be leaving the cheating schools in droves- but they aren't. So I think that also speaks volumes to the future of cheating in CLRG- the consumers and the power players seem to be fine with it. Unlikely to change. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: CLRG will never stop cheating. And clearly neither will NEIDT. At this point if you, whether you are a teacher, dancer or parent, choose to remain in CLRG, you are choosing to support cheating. Full stop. | |
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Author: we're leaving after Worlds [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:32:21 03/02/24 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Change the point system…would make it so much harder to cheat | |
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Author: -why haven’t they done this already [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:41:02 03/09/24 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: But they don't WANT to make it hard to cheat. If they did, they could have fixed this a long time ago. | |
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Author: they prefer cheating [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:05:40 03/10/24 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: One solution would be videotaping local comps and having vids assessed by separate panels of judges. Outlying IP points (say, >=5 ranks away from the average placement across 10 judges for the same dancer) would result in probation of some kind. Thus could be applied at random to feis'/judge (like a tax audit) | |
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Author: Doable [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:55:18 03/13/24 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: The power players don't really want the cheating to go away | |
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Author: and parents are staying at known cheating schools [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 09:25:52 03/14/24 Thu Ways to remedy this are vast and most of us could come up with ideas to make things more fair, BUT I believe the WILL to change is not there in competitive Irish dance for the majority of schools and parents. There are still honest schools and TCRGs (and ADCRGs) -thank goodness- but they don't have the majority hand in this and they won't be able to turn this behemoth of an organization around. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Well stated.And any parent still paying tuition to a known cheater school is thereby telling the ID world that they fully support cheating. | |
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Author: facts [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:00:48 03/15/24 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Lots from NE headed to Worlds this week | |
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Author: and most from the schools we know are cheaters [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:24:38 03/22/24 Fri some suspected going as well- but when you break down the volume of kids that qualified in the NE, most are from the known cheating schools. this week, most if not all are winging their way to Worlds. CLRG, with no teeth and no will is continuing their sanctioning of cheating that will inevitably continue at this "world class" event. such a shame. Going to Worlds really used to mean something, or so we thought at the time. sort of sad to have the blinkers off. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: This won't work until competition criteria is better define and scoring system is developed to reflect criteria. | |
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Author: More inside [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 23:54:47 03/17/24 Sun As it stands, the life-long exerptise of the judge is what's valued in the scoring. Everyone has a slightly different understanding of what perfect Irish dancing is, and at some levels (Prelim comes to mind), the judges really are left to making their own determination as to what aspect of technique to value more. I agree with some sort of QC system in theory, but not for the system we're currently working with. For example, I judged a prelim a couple years ago where the dancer the two other judges had 1st, I had 11th... Out of like 14. The dancer couldn't treble on time to save their life and I just couldn't get past it, so I marked them accordingly. The other two judges felt the other aspects of their dancing overrode the bad rhythm. I, to this day, vehemently disagree. I can explain with clear reasoning why I did what I did, and I think the other two are insane for overlooking the rhythm issues the way they did. However, on an "audit" based solely on math, I look like I don't know what I'm looking at. But I do. Now, if scoring could more to a more categorized system with actual marks allocated for different aspects of dancing, that could work, and I think is probably the way we need to go, if Irish dancing is to move forward being taken seriously as a sport. BUT, with it, comes a whole bunch of other alternations to competition format, which would get people complaining for a whole host of other reasons. The other problem (as has happened in figure skating), is people then start choreographing "to the scoresheet" as opposed to using artistic judgement to determine what looks good. It will lead Irish dancing to become even more cookie cutter and generic--in the name of scoring points. I think that flies in the face of what a folk dance form is... You really can't win here. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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