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Date Posted: 19:12:48 05/07/01 Mon
Author: Zeina Muna
Subject: playing with haikus a bit.....

Hiding my smile, like
Swallowing a strawberry
I look at you, dear.

You direct me so
Politely, your head holds a
Crown. I sway gently.

Suddenly, dear, time
Stops forever, and my arms
Open like blown curtains-

You crawl over the
Balcony, with kisses and
Rhyme on your skewed lips.

But, I'll only kiss
Back, dear, when you leave your crown
Outside, to rattle.

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[> ok i actually dont mind this so much unless i try to force your ideas upon it. The nasty strawberry thing is pretty good with the swallowing something stereotpically sweet. The 'dear' is incredibly patronising (i feel) and really helps. I like how it is degrading to the other person, that he has to leave his pride at the door. -- james, 22:28:00 05/24/01 Thu

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[> ok now then, skewed lips just seems ugly and awkward. Arms like blown curtains is too hard to picture nad really distant from everything else. It helps set the scene but little else. I like the idea of the person being in control when he is directing her. Just the politely ruins it there and seems really weak compared tot he overall patronising, controlling tone. Dont understand why its in haikus either. -- james, 22:29:17 05/24/01 Thu

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[> Why the form? Not just bitter, but insane and horrid. Quite good but I hate seeing this every time I come on the board. The images work well; strawberry, curtains, crown. -- luke, 08:50:06 05/25/01 Fri

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[> Re: playing with haikus a bit..... -- tim, 13:31:02 05/25/01 Fri

I like the extension of haiku format into a longer type of poem, its quite a good idea; especially if its original?! The poem suggests something of another poet... another poet that has lied to you?? At times it seems that you are in control of him, and at times it is quite the opposite; which creates a certain ambiguity. But I am not sure if I like the uncertainty it creates... what do you want from this poem?? Overall really good, but I like your morning radio ghost one better!!

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[> Being highly rebellious by expanding on the haiku so. They are normally just the one image, looked at in isolation. Your stanzas basically work like that, existing as individual images. Then the way they are linked together as stanzas and with "dear" and -- luke, 19:23:36 05/31/01 Thu

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[> [> ... and "crown" being repeated, and at the same time being a bit disconnected, makes it sound highly disturbed and crazy. The relationship seems disgusting; the third stanza is a horrible image, limp and dead, while sounding nice. -- luke, 19:26:17 05/31/01 Thu

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[> [> How can you crawl over a balcony? I don't understand. And the last stanza makes it worse, the way she sounds so smug and victorious, thinks she is in control, when she obviously isn't, swaying, with no control over her limbs. -- luke, 19:27:28 05/31/01 Thu

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[> I like it, the use of the word dear is good, it does link the stazas together although i don't like the second one it doesn't work, it is as if you threw it in and is not needed, i've never seen someone smile like they are swallowing a strawberry... but i love the last line the power that has been created works really well -- mags, 17:08:37 06/01/01 Fri

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[> actually, luke, this is a fairly standard approach to haiku writing - in fact, the individual haiku on its own is more of an historical oddity. haikus used to be given to hosts by guests, and it would be expected that they would themselves add two further lines (of 7 syllables each) to form a tanka, which became the shared experience of the visit. and even discounting that, the haiku is often used in series, as zeina has done rather elegantly here. -- si, 20:30:06 06/05/01 Tue

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[> [> oh. Didn't know that. -- luke, 15:59:49 06/06/01 Wed

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[> [> [> i figured you didn't, judging by the way you were lecturing zeina...:) -- si, 19:05:14 06/06/01 Wed

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[> [> [> I wasn't lecturing her, I think it's very good. Just trying to understand why it sounded so crazy to me when I read it. -- luke, 07:04:40 06/07/01 Thu

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