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Date Posted: 15:09:48 03/15/06 Wed
Author: a light
Subject: Sanctuary II
Sanctuary II
Two months ago, the cc.com forum went down and we had no idea when it would be functioning again. At that time, not many of us expected that by the middle of March we still wouldn't have the forum to go to, or even a clue as to when or if it will be back up.
I'm really glad most of us unofficial fans found our way here :)
When this site went up, it was meant to be a refuge for all of us who were stranded from our usual haunt and wanted to maintain contact and conversation with the people who we were connected with, as well as having a place to discuss CC topics apart from AS-oriented sites. It was set up originally as an 'emergency' site for what was expected to be a somewhat brief time.
I'd like to maintain a site for us that is more suited towards permanence. I do expect cc.com to be 'open for business' again eventually, but even so, considering whatever changes that place is sure to go through, I think it would be a good idea for us to have an alternative board as an option to take part in-- one suited towards our shared tastes and general preferences regarding forums.
As much as a lot of us seem happy and comfortable with 'Bluey' (thanks for all the support!!:)), there are a lot problems and shortcomings to the type of forums offered here at Voy. There are other free forums available that have better security, and a lot more features of the type we've gotten used to in the past and could enjoy using again.
I've spoken to a few friends from here about moving to a different place, starting around a month ago, and here are some issues that stood out:
• the need to be able to edit and delete posts
• being able to create links without having to learn HTML codes
• people registered by name, for use in post searches, to send private messages, and to avoid misrepresentation
• a secure archive
An issue for me is that we are very vulnerable to spam here. As I once mentioned a while back, I looked up a number of Voy forums in our category (music) and with only one exception of an Extremely monitored site, they were all completely taken over by it. When our archives are full (currently we have used up six out of ten pages) a single heavy spam onslaught could wipe out pages of our threads.
Those of you that were reading here from the start know that I was originally thinking of using EZboards for this forum. I decided against it mainly because there was already a very popular CC forum there and I didn't want to cause any confusion. EZ boards offers all the forum functions we have grown to expect, plus a few others-- it even has a chat feature. I've looked at a number of their forums, and they seem very stable. Many have been around for years and have tens of thousands of posts. A drawback of EZboards is that they charge a small fee to keep the boards free of ads, but I don't think this will be a hardship for us. Another is purely aesthetic. Maybe it's because of their general structure, but none of the forums there that I checked out was visually appealing. (this, according to me, and to the perceived general consensus of those here who prefer a simple open look). If we decide to use that place (and if I set it up) I'll try to make it as much like here (and the 'mothership) as possible.
A unofficial member here suggested I check out Proboards, and gave me the link to Mark Lanegan's forum-- http://onewhiskey.proboards2.com/
That site looks pretty good, and seems to have a lot of the above mentioned features. I didn't see private messages available there, though. That could be because I'm not registered, so if anyone is, they can add that information. I believe they also charge a small fee for keeping ads out, though the ads that I saw there are similar to those here, and not too distracting.
A general concern about moving is being able to keep and archive our old posts from here. It's been suggested that each of us, if we want to, could copy threads that we like to document form and transfer them over to the new forum. A special archive can be set up to give these threads a home, and perhaps we can continue to add to them.
A big question, if we decide to switch venues, is whether we should keep Chris's name in the title of our forum. What do you think?
Looking forward to feedback....
a.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- tg, 15:20:39 03/15/06 Wed [1]
Yeah the Mark Lanegan has PM's (another feature), you have to login to see them and you have to click on the profile of the person you want to contact.
I don't know I'm used to this place, but the proboards is pretty good, the only thing I don't like about that forum is the pages continue after every ten posts. I don't know if you could change that setup.I find the threads a little harder to read that way, but that may be that place their threads go on for years. (I'm serious) which I find for someone not a regular poster there like me it makes things stale and I have a hard time understanding the conversations. I don't think that would happen to us though. We like to move on. I got in trouble for starting a new thread, and someone told me there already was one. I went and looked and it had started in 2004.
** Anyway, I funny bit of gossip about the Lanegan forum, it was started because Mark shut the official one down after someone posted a topless pic of his wife. So they went through there own forum limbo hell.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- lump, 15:23:52 03/15/06 Wed [1]
Ew - tough one! And yeah, I couldn't kick the habit (though I really should) as you guys are sometimes the only 'adults' I get to talk to all day.
Anyhow - lets take a moment of standing ovation for a light again for all the work that has gone into keeping us together! Yeah a light! :)
If we keep the CC in the name, perhaps we should also add solo (as it was the solo effort that put us all together). I can come up with plenty of names for us, but nothing nice! lol. I mean nothing worthy of such an array of folks.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- tg, 15:26:07 03/15/06 Wed [1]
Another feature of the proboards is the profile, where we can add in where we live and birthdays and such, we can also have an avatar. It's easy to login and you can be seen until you logout, which was cool about the CCforum also. It still bumps new posts to the top, but it doesn't do a post count.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- tg, 15:28:18 03/15/06 Wed [1]
sorry it does do a post count, and it shows the name of the last person who posted on each thread.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- 23, 15:36:09 03/15/06 Wed [1]
Lots of intriguiging stuff there, Anne.
Before addressing anything, I just want to reiterate how much I appreciate you setting up this refuge for us. I tried to lie to myself that I didn't care when the old place shut down, but I really have few venues to discuss the myriad topics I got to spout off about there, and it was great to have a new place to do so. So thanks.
:)
Like I said awhile back, I've grown fond of Bluey, but it's not about the place it's the people. So as long as we are sure to let everyone know where we're going and can be sure they join us in the move, I'm down with whatever you decide (not to make it your job or anything, but I'm beyond ignorant in the realm of forum procurement and construction).
And as far as referencing Chris in the title? That's a damned good question. He was the reason we got together to begin with, so I think we should pay homage in some form or another, but I don't really see us as a CC forum anymore.
That doesn't answer crap, but thereyago.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- alicemudgarden, 15:53:27 03/15/06 Wed [1]
Indeed hats off to A light for keeping the "euphorium" (hint for forum name), family together.
I am just getting used to blue. After reading for awhile it is a trip to look down at my black keyboard and all the keys look glow-in-the-dark-ish.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- chrys, 16:25:01 03/15/06 Wed [1]
*joins the standing ovation*
there sure is a lot to think about here, but i think you've made a strong case for finding us a new, more permanent place. some people have said this one is hard to read, though i have never found it that way. it would be nice to have PMs again, and to edit, and to not have to worry for the spam shoe to drop.
also, i personally would rather find a way to pay the small fee rather than have ads. do you have any idea what that fee is? i'm sure we could find a way to cover it.
euphorium is one idea for a title, as that's what we called the old cc place back in the day, and it references him but doesn't say CHRIS CORNELL in shining silver letters. on the issue itsefl of whether to include his name, i sit a bit on the fence. i am not all about CC anymore and i think that a lot of us aren't so much, hence the "for unofficial fans." but it was CC who brought us together as others have mentioned. perhaps a lyric reference for the title? that's the way i would personally go with it. plus i think now we are more a gathering of a group of friends, rather than a CC fan group, and if we put CC in the title, we could get an influx of new people - which isn't exactly bad or good. guess it depends on whether we'd rather focus on the CC aspect or just the communicating w/the people we've come to know and love. i vote for the latter but that's just me.
maybe proboards is the way to go. i remember using ezboards a couple years back, and finding it difficult. also as you mentioned there could be confusion with the "cornell euphoria" forum.
this is my bottom line:
i want to be able to curse like a sailor without having to censor (i gave up posting at the AS site even on the ?s thread about our old site, cuz it took me so long to comb through and find all my fuck-ups).
no categories!
simple and open, free-flowing look.
it would be nice to not have length restrictions on posts, but that's not top of the list.
pictures would be nice, and the ability to post stuff even if you are a comp dunce, like URLs or whatever.
whatever ends up happening, i've never even contemplated kicking this habit, so i'm in!
rock on a light!
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Re: Sanctuary II -- light, 16:52:01 03/15/06 Wed [1]
Thanks for the feedback so far, guys :)
Keep it coming (the compliments too ;))
(thanks!)
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Re: Sanctuary II -- amadaun, 23:18:07 03/16/06 Thu [1]
Add another vote for the "Euphorium".
It kinda keeps the CC association, but not so much that it will attract too many fans who just want to slaver over Mr.Cornell. [I keep my slavering in private :-)]
Many thanks to A light for getting this forum going and bringing us all back together. It feels like my cyber family.
Its funny how I don't even know most of you that well, but things like song by Tori, or the movie of 'Holes' makes me think of Chrys, or the name of an author [saw a China Meiville book today, -and it looked good!] makes me think of Twan. Native American issues remind me of Outshyned. [Anyone know where she is now?]
As to the forum features,
~~yes I would like PM's,
~~to be able to change the text to italics or bold without a degree in computer programming,
~~and the pink on blue is fricken hard to read.
~~easy access to archives
Whether the old forum is resurrected or not, [I suspect not, after all this time] we need to able to keep in touch.
The forum is dead, long live the forum!
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Re: Sanctuary II -- light, 05:29:30 03/17/06 Fri [1]
The forum is dead, long live the forum!
I think we just got a new motto! :)
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Re: Sanctuary II -- light, 05:37:43 03/17/06 Fri [1]
I checked out the Proboards forum for site administrators and I don't like that place. It has a Terms of Service agreement that would limit what we can post, and it looks like they're pretty fascist about enforcing it. There was a board there with 7,000 members(!) that was running for a few years, and the Proboard people decided there was a copyright infringement posted on that forum, and they deleted the whole place! Without warning! They didn't even get in touch with the administrators first, to give them a chance to delete the offending post. The last I read of it, the admins were begging Proboard to at least put their archives back up, so they could store their threads to put elsewhere. And Proboard refused! fuck them.
So I think if we move, EZboards would be the next option. I'll check into that further. If we do end up going there, as much as I think calling the place the Euphorium is a good idea, there's a pretty big problem with that. The main CC forum on EZ is called Cornell Euphoria, so what I was saying before about not wanting to cause confusion between the sites... well, as you can see that really won't help the situation.
Amadaun-- you can make things bold or italic almost the same way that we did on the official site. Put [b] [/b] around what you want bold, and use [i] [/i] for italics. EXCEPT instead of using brackets where I did, use the 'less than' 'greater than' pointy-looking keystrokes instead. The ones on top of the comma and period keys. I can't show you an example, cause you'll only see the bold or italicized result. :P
The archives here are easy to access-- they're shown by number near the top right-hand corner of the page. I wish there was a search feature, though, and I wish we had more than a limit of ten pages for them.
I just made the pink brighter, so it should be easier to read now. It looks kind of obnoxious to me, so I'll probably change it back soon. So read all the links while you can! ;)
What bothers me most about the style of this place is they stuck us with a serif-type font. I think reading it is very hard on the eyes. I'd love to change it to sans-serif (simpler unembellished letters), but I'd have to change the whole type of format that we're using here to make that kind of style change. So that sucks.
Thanks again for the thanks! You really can stop now y'all, before I get really embarrassed. Except for GarlicSoul. I'd like to hear it from him. heh
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Re: Sanctuary II -- 23, 10:37:43 03/17/06 Fri [1]
So, what does it cost to stay ad-free on ezboard?
I visit another ezboard forum, and whenever they don't have enough $$ in their chest, not only does it get annoying ads (that pop up right between different posts in the same thread), but you also lose the ability to cuss. It replaces your cuss words with $%^&*. Retardation.
So if we go that route, I think we need some sort of agreement among us to keep enough cash in the chest (assuming it's not an unreasonable amount of money) to stay ad-free.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- taurus, 10:45:57 03/17/06 Fri [1]
Doesn't your ad-blocker work. On the proboards I always read other people complaining about that, I never see the ads they are talking about. I think that may be a mac thingy. I can see the ads on the top of the page there, but never in the threads.???
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Re: Sanctuary II -- 23, 11:01:17 03/17/06 Fri [1]
I don't see ads in the threads here, either.
I'm talking about over on the ez-board I go to. It's only happened once, when there wasn't enough money in the chest (it's the band's official board, so they're usually good about it, I think it just slipped through the cracks for a day or two that one time).
I don't think it's an ad-blocker issue, but maybe it is. Either way, the cussing thing has nothing to do with an ad-blocker.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- Leo, 17:41:00 03/17/06 Fri [1]
I'm for whatever's easiest for you, a light, as long as we all get to stick together.
As much as I wish we could keep the reference to CC, ala the euphorium, it'd definitely cause confusion with the other place, which, lets not forget, was a spinoff of the original as well. Maybe we could use a more subtle reference, like one of those forbidden CC/11 songs??
Like Twan said, it doesn't matter so much the place, its the people.
A light rocks :)
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Re: Sanctuary II -- grandma and the devil, 21:21:49 03/17/06 Fri [1]
Does this mean we can do special effects with this new green screen? Is this just for St.Patricks Day!
How 80's of you bringing back the day-glo, now all we need is some Grateful Dead background music.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- lit, 02:22:39 03/18/06 Sat [1]
Ha-- now you got me thinking of Ben Stiller at the Oscars.
Yeah, it was just for St. Paddy... and maybe a little bit for Owsley.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- Garlic, 16:43:23 03/19/06 Sun [1]
No one will confuse the existing ezcornell forum, from a new one. Either they are already an active member or reader on of the the two (in which case they will certainly recognize their's from the other one), or they have never before read either of them (in which case, it doesnt matter which one they check out first).
About the cornell name, being used:
It's a close call, but I kind of like the idea of having it in there. Really, the only reason NOT to have it in there, is to make the board more country-club like, and keep out the riff-raff. While that seems attractive right now, there exists the danger of this fire eventually burning itself out. It's not unusual for some of the people who are posting here, to one day become bored, distracted by real life, or something else that makes them stop coming around and posting. I think that picking up newbies here and there is helpful in the long run. Some of them are lame, but some of them might add some insight or bring some energy, that helps keep the forum alive.
A compromise?
How about we omit Chris Cornell's name and call ourselves the Nickelback forum, so we can still lure some curiosity traffic.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- taurus, 17:02:03 03/19/06 Sun [1]
I'm with Garlic, I always found that having some new energy around always adds a little variety. I've found from going to different forums lately, that it's always the regulars and it becomes stale pretty quickly. My feeling is ok I'll check in when something interests me but, carry on with your regular chit-chat. Another thing about what happened at the CC forums is that anyone who ever was a nuisance always eventually faded out, so it was never a concern for me. BTW I've found Charles Baer at a few places, he's ignored everywhere.
The name well, that's a toughy, considering we are a spawn of the CCforum, but are we still all fans, I don't think most of us like AS. In the final days of the CCforum, that's what caused alot of aguing, so if we are going to name it after CC and go public, then there may be some newbies who'll be asking us. "What are we doing there if we aren't fans". NO we are not naming our forum after NICKELBACK . LOL
I still like the "forum for unofficial fans" name.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- GarlicSoul, 17:04:00 03/19/06 Sun [1]
Yes, I do love referring to us as Unofficial Fans. Very appropriate. Who came up with that?
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Re: Sanctuary II -- light, 17:19:30 03/19/06 Sun [1]
I did?
How about this idea?-- the title w/o his name, but with a song reference connected to him, and "forum for unofficial Chris Cornell fans" as a subtitle. Or does anyone dislike being described that way...
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Re: Sanctuary II -- lite, 17:28:14 03/19/06 Sun [1]
I got it!!
"OUT OF EXILE"!!!
...... noooooooooo
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Re: Sanctuary II -- chrys, 17:37:34 03/19/06 Sun [1]
i like the idea before the "out of exile" one, hahaha.
now we just gotta come up with a good song reference, and no not anything about chicken.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- lite, 17:42:55 03/19/06 Sun [1]
hahaha
actually I was thinking of "Figure of a Forum" ;)
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Re: Sanctuary II -- shades, 08:52:47 03/23/06 Thu [1]
I vote for "Medicated Drama Queens".
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Re: Sanctuary II -- chrys, 12:14:58 03/23/06 Thu [1]
lol shades that'll certainly attract some interesting "curiosity traffic" as someone called it here!
love the song that comes from though, as CC related as it isn't, hahaha.
okay here is what i woke up thinking about for possible titles:
boot camp
angels in a cage
suckingholywind
ugly truth
the superunknown
wooden jesus
heart of honey
pretty noose
i don't know i guess any song title could do. the prob w/a lot of those is they could attract some very odd interpretations...
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Re: Sanctuary II -- 23, 12:50:19 03/23/06 Thu [1]
I like The Superunknown. Good 'un.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- ~Angel~, 06:45:35 03/24/06 Fri [1]
i like The SuperUnknown, too.
~pearls and swine of euphorium loljk
~last remains or the last remaining (could add on lights/lites/rites/garden)
~euphorium garden
~rusty cage
~steel reign
~mission:euphoria
sorry lol just goin' off on a thought mission
song theme
"if you don't want to be seen, you don't have to hide, cause we're alive at: The SuperUnknown"
"alive in/at The SuperUnknown, first it steals your mind, then it steals your soul!"
yada yada lol
~has too many thoughts/ideas for one single mind to grasp~
~Angel~
every day greets me with a smile, even them dreary black days! or is that, i greet every day with....!?! lol
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Re: Sanctuary II -- Shades, 19:20:23 03/24/06 Fri [1]
How about:
The Fun Machine Took a Shit and Died
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Re: Sanctuary II -- taurus, 20:05:23 03/24/06 Fri [1]
That's a great name shades, but we don't want attract too many visitors to the forum, keeping it as lowkey as possible.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- Shades, 22:41:56 03/24/06 Fri [1]
Then how about:
The Disappearing Ones
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Re: Sanctuary II -- LastingOne, 01:25:53 03/25/06 Sat [1]
Disappearing ones is too close to LastingOne and I stoles thaaaaat naaaaaame yeaahrs aga!
At the end of the day, I am not fussed and the board can be anything and anywhere. Besides my vote only counts for half. Maybe 1/8.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- Laurie, 13:29:58 03/25/06 Sat [1]
The Superunknown is cool. 'Cause you never know what we'll be up to next.
In the end, it's about the ties we've made not being broken, so as long as we have someplace to gather, it's all good!
Later,
Laurie
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Re: Sanctuary II -- Countess Potty Mouth, 15:06:44 03/25/06 Sat [1]
AND
as long as we can curse!
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Re: Sanctuary II -- grandma, 15:22:19 03/25/06 Sat [1]
If that's the only way to express yourself, but I don't think it's very polite.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- a light, 10:51:10 03/29/06 Wed [1]
Thanks for all the input and ideas!
I think we'll probably end up switching to EZboard, but there's a situation going on there right now that I'd like to have more time to examine. The whole system is changing over to one called Yuku. Over the next year or so all existing EZboards will be transferred to Yuku, a hosting system that supposedly will have a lot of improvements and extra features. They are just starting the change now, by dumping unused EZboard forums, and will soon start transferring over active ones. Yuku is in a beta version now, and it still has a number of of bugs to attend to. When I tried going to their main forum, it crashed my computer. From what I've read, I'm not the only one.
Even so, for now EZboard looks ok, at least in its current form.
EZboard charges an introductory fee of $9.95 for 3 months and then $30 for 6 months to go ad-free and have a bunch of other perks. The rates can go up if there's high traffic, but personally I don't think we're gonna get the 10,000 or more hits per month to warrant an increase.
I'm planning a tentative switch date for our forum to be April 23rd, if things look all right. 23 being our unofficial lucky number, of course.
In the meantime, I'm hoping we don't go over our archive limit. If we do end up filling over our alloted ten pages, the oldest threads will start getting lost in a cyber black hole. When we reach our last page, I suggest that anyone who wants to can bump up threads that they find important, or as an alternative, they can copy the full thread for placement in a future archive which will be dedicated to posts from Bluey.
A word about photos-- feel free to post 'em, but if you have very large ones, try to knock down the file size by making them smaller or lower the resolution if they're hi-res. If you have a number of photos in a set, it's probably a better idea to post a link to your Photobucket, or other photo-viewing account, than to post them all here. Pages here have a limited amount of bytes we can use, and photos really chew them up. Don't forget too, that when we move, the codes for posting will most likely be different than the ones used here, so unfortunately photos in transferred threads will not be viewable :(
Now for the fun part-- Names!
I like Superunknown a lot. The only minus is that there are already a number of websites (and even bands) with that name. Not on EZboard, though, so that definitely could still be the one.
Some other song names I like for us are: Nothing to Say; Beyond the Wheel; and Steel Rain (though that one may be too evocative of a specific mood).
My fave ones though are Mailman and Screaming Life (alright, that's not a song title). I think the last one would be cool, especially with all those unofficial babies on their way.
Speaking of mothers (and fathers) and suckers, I was thinking Bleed Together could be nice... hmmmm... ok, gross.
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Re: Sanctuary II -- the devil, 11:05:40 03/29/06 Wed [1]
I like Bleed Together, it sounds hardcore.
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