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Date Posted: 11:32:50 03/07/06 Tue
Author: chrys
Subject: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD?
fuck this shit!
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/national/07abortion.html?hp&ex=1141794000&en=d820be9dbe1ab636&ei=5094&partner=homepage
does anyone else think this is deliberate? so that the ACLU or NOW or other groups will challenge this, and then it will go to the conveniently new lineup of the USSC? timing is too perfect.
never thought i would see this in my lifetime.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- tg, 11:36:33 03/07/06 Tue [1]
Yes, I heard about it on the news, just a little mention of it. I wonder what will happen when woman will start dying, because they bleed to death from performing botched abortions. Abortions are hard enough to recieve, let alone ban them.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- lump, 13:10:41 03/07/06 Tue [1]
It's ridiculous and a shame. Only if the mother's life is in danger? I would take a chance with my life way way way before I'd be able to carry a baby I concieved by rape. And I'm not a big advocate either way - it's not my place to make that choice for someone else. But it sure as HELL isn't the governments choice. I think this is disgusting. It's not a conservative thing - it's a probe and run the people thing. Wish people would wake up.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- 23, 13:21:24 03/07/06 Tue [1]
What they've done is essentially illegal. Their state laws don't supercede Roe v. Wade. They're basically hoping to bring RvW back in front of the Supreme Court.
IMO, it won't go anywhere. There is still overwhelming support in this country for legalized abortions (66%, last time I heard).
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- amadaun, 17:50:23 03/07/06 Tue [1]
Yeah, I saw this on the news last night.
A step backwards,for women's rights.
Religious dogma rears its ugly head again. [And that ugly head looks like Dubya]
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- Robert, 20:36:51 03/07/06 Tue [1]
In the year 2006, the white man still can't pull his head out of his ass.
Amazing.
Fuck South Dakota.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- Robert, 22:02:14 03/07/06 Tue [1]
Oh, lucky for us, this isn't an issue of Roe v. Wade. This is a simple matter of a direct violation of Article VI, which clearly defines the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. Since Roe v. Wade is Constitutional law, the challenge isn't to Roe v. Wade, but rather South Dakota's right to craft laws that are in direct contradiction to laws of the land established in the Constitution. Their law is illegal, and will be sruck down if this case makes it to SCOTUS.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- taurus, 10:59:00 03/08/06 Wed [1]
The abortion debate never seems to end.Why are certain politicians able to change the rights/laws that have already been obtained, because of their own personal views?
It's always a personal agenda.
Anyway here's more about it.
http://video.msn.com/v/en-ca/v.htm?g=5a61b6fd-2b39-46c1-b407-696e1d1dd56f&t=c174&f=37/81&p=ENCAnews_ENCAtopstories
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- stillreign, 11:12:44 03/08/06 Wed [1]
This is where things will get interesting. SD may not have been within their rights to do what they did, but you can bet this will be a stepping stone to get Roe v. Wade back before the Supreme Court. Like Twan said. I am not too worried yet, This isn't an issue that will easily get past people without notice. There will be a fight.
I do kinda go to that dark place where I worry about women making the choice to have their bodies butchered in unsafe, unclean, makeshift clinics. I thought those days were forever a part of our past, pretty much the way I thought that no gay person would ever have to feel so ashamed of who they are that they might enter into a straight relationship. But it looks like we are just going backwards instead of forwards in many ways.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- carson1, 12:36:35 03/08/06 Wed [1]
That is just ridiculous. Now, I've said it time and time again, abortion is not the route for me, but I don't have the right to tell someone else what to do with their body. It is definitely a ploy to get it back in front of the Supreme Court. This really pisses me off...next thing you know, we won't be allowed to vote. Hell, why not take care of everything all at once, since we're elimnating women's rights. I'm all about consolidation!
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- lump, 11:54:15 03/09/06 Thu [1]
Is the Morning After Pill considered an abortion in SD?
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- taurus, 12:11:30 03/09/06 Thu [1]
Well, I don't know why The Morning After pill would ever be considered and abortion. It only stops the egg from fertilizing same as an IUD.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- lump, 12:13:07 03/09/06 Thu [1]
So this could be the drug companies just selling a product again. I've heard that pill is very very harsh.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- taurus, 12:27:27 03/09/06 Thu [1]
I don't know if they are reselling the same product. The IUD is placed in your cervix, (and it can cause painful cramps) but it's longterm. The Morning After pill works the sameway by not allowing the egg to fertilise but, it's one time.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- tg, 12:36:13 03/09/06 Thu [1]
p.s.
I don't think the MApill is an abortion because the egg never fertilises. In asense it stops the potential of a pregnancy.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- lump, 13:35:24 03/09/06 Thu [1]
Well, this is one of those issues that I don't feel can be regulated like this. It's illegal unless. That's bull.
But I hope - for those woman in SD - that they then encourage the woman to speak out right away if they've been raped. I wonder what percentage of rape victims actually seek help right away and how many are too afraid or ashamed? I wonder if - with this new law in place - the suicide rate of pregnant woman raises? Or the percentage of drug addicted babies? And I wonder how many politicians there will pay for illegal abortions for their mistresses and daughters?
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- taurus, 13:52:31 03/09/06 Thu [1]
You know what else happens from unwanted pregnancies, are abandoned babies. It's awful, but it is a result.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- lump, 14:06:33 03/09/06 Thu [1]
Yeah. That's true too. It's so bad that we have a law here now where you can take your baby to any hospital and hand it over - no questions asked. They have to hold the baby for so long in case you change your mind - but then it's turned over to children's services for adoption. Even though it's supposed to be that easy, there was another story just this week of a baby found left in the middle of a street.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- 23, 14:26:33 03/09/06 Thu [1]
Not to diminish the negatives of what's been done here, but any women who are victims of rape who want an abortion can simply cross state lines and get it done. Of course, that is contingent upon the surrounding states keeping it legal. I wouldn't surprised if many followed suit in the near future.
I'm hoping this will backfire and will only strengthen the RvW precendent, but with the recent changes in SCOTUS, you never know...
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- chrys, 16:09:19 03/09/06 Thu [1]
not sure about the morning after pill, but i do believe that RU486 is considered an abortion pill. that is something you take after you already know you are preg, as far as i can remember to HS sex ed, lol.
as for the morning after pill, i was told they are a lot less harsh than they used to be. at planned parenthood they can give you two sets of MA pills, and there's some rule like you can replace them three times w/i a year, no ?s asked. as far as i know they give them out pretty regularly and you don't need any prescription. i have some in the drawer in my bathroom, just in case a drastic situation arises...
anyway NO i don't think they can consider that an abortion, b/c you have no idea if you are even preg or not if you take it.
a friend of mine thinks w/this new law what they may try to do is get doctors that perform abortion in trouble.
do you know what i don't get? is why anyone gives a flying fuck what someone else does? i mean if your next door neighbor has an abortion, what does that matter to you? even if you think it's the worst sin on earth and that person is going to go to hell, well then that person goes to hell, in your eyes, still isn't going to curse your neighborhood or some shit!
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- 23, 16:28:00 03/09/06 Thu [1]
Chrys - I'm not an advocate for this perspective, but I do understand where these people are coming from. From where they're sitting, it's murder, plain and simple. They can no more ignore abortions than you could ignore your neighbor stabbing her toddler. They are compelled to intervene because they feel that fetus is just as much a human life as you or I.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- amadaun, 19:08:51 03/12/06 Sun [1]
Its a pity these people don't feel compelled to intervene when children are starving to death in Africa.
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Re: not to start a war, but did you hear about SD? -- 23, 08:44:47 03/13/06 Mon [1]
^agreed.
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