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Date Posted: 11:45:37 08/28/07 Tue
Author: catie
Author Host/IP: h69.42.91.75.ip.alltel.net / 75.91.42.69
Subject: I strongly believe I should be careful judging folks and their religion.
In reply to: Catie 's message, "Yet another very public confession of faith." on 04:55:35 08/28/07 Tue

But, heck, this is a no brainer! We all know, indeed this was for show. I agree with the person who said, if i's sincere, as he wants us to believe, he would have kept it private. I agree 100%! Sadly, it seems to hve accomplished what he set out to do though. Many are rallying to his defense, saying, "SEE? He isn't so bad!" PULEEEeeeze!

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[> [> I had more sympathy for him before. -- Joan, 03:23:19 08/29/07 Wed [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)

I know that he treated animals w/ extreme cruelty, but animals aren't people. If he had been arrested for beating-up his girlfriends, I would have no sympathy for him. Domestic violence is worse than killing dogs.

I did think that the reaction to the dog-fighting thing was extreme, compared to the reactions people have to celebrities' arrests for domestic violence. But that's how our society is. It truly values pets/animals more than people. Just look at home much money is generated when dog is burned and how much when a child is burned. Hundreds come forward to adopt a burned dog. Try to find 3 families that are willing to adopt a child who is the victim of severe child abuse. It's just the way it is. I know that the animal-lover types think that they're above everyone else in sympathy and love, but in reality, adopting a burned dog is a lot easier than adopting a victim of severe child abuse. They're not willing to take on the more difficult challenge. And what can you say when they'll pony-up for a dog but not for a human? I wonder about the extreme animal-lover's morality, to be honest. Loving animals is one thing. Attacking MV like he's a monster while ignoring the celebrities who beat their girlfriends is another. I don't remember this kind of reaction to other athletes who beat-up their wives/girlfriends. It's a brief news story at best.

MV--when he came out w/ the Jesus comment, I lost all sympathy. He's playing the game. He's rotten to the core.

Would anyone be surprised to hear that he also beat-up his girlfriends?

Joan

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[> [> [> Joan -- Catie, 05:29:48 08/29/07 Wed [1] (h69.42.91.75.ip.alltel.net/75.91.42.69)

I think the ones who ignore celebrities abusing spouses or significant others, are those who are paid-off, ie; media, etc. The average person is just as outraged as you would expect one to be at such autrocity. Celebrities simply have the means to pay to have it hushed, downplayed or whatever it takes to get off without a record or serving time.

Yes. You are so right, there needs to be more compassion for people, period! My husband and I said amany times, (pre Toby) we never understood how folks could dontate, work so hard to raise money for the humane society, but not so for St.Jude's or the local mission. Here's one thing we have discovered, since we have become dog owners. Some of us folks ARE compassionate and giving to ALL of the above. Because some folks are not, is not a reason for ME to stop caring and speaking out for defenseless animals. People do take priority over animals. But, can't I defend both? When I speak out, I am protesting about "cruelty" in general. I will be just as verbal, just as active, about domestic violence as I am about animal cruelty. I don't trade one for the other. So when some folks say animal lovers are overboard, don't focus as much on humans, well, that's simply not so in every case.

One of the disgusting things about the Michael Vick case, is that he hung and tortured dogs that lost money for him in the fights. He had the audacity to video tape it. That is a mark of a killer. Jeffrey Dahmer (sp)began at an early age, torturing animals. Also Vick has such a cold arrogant attitude. They once charged him a fine of $20K for something minor regarding his football career. In his arrogance he sent $40K and boasted, he had more where that came from and he wanted the committee to know $20K was a drop in the bucket for him. He felt he answered to no one. I feel sure he would have eventually been in the news for other types abuse down the road.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Joan -- Joan, 05:47:12 08/29/07 Wed [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)

"But, can't I defend both?"

Of course. :-)

But we can't deny that a lot more money flows in for a burned dog than for a burned boy. Many more people come forward to adopt an abused dog than an abused kid.
And we can't blame the media for that.

If the media can be bought-off regarding domestic violence, can't they be bought-off regarding dog-fighting?

They know which story will garner more outrage and bring in more viewers--and it ain't the domestic violence story. :-)

I've heard people actually say that if it were a choice of hitting a person in the road or an animal, they would hit the animal because the poor animal doesn't know any better than to walk in the street and people should know better. People are really twisted.

I would hit an animal, even a little kitten, rather than hit Ted Bundy, even if he was trying to commit suicide by jumping in front of my car!

You really have to wonder what's wrong w/ people that they would choose an animal over a person in any circumstance.

Joan

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