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Date Posted: 10:40:38 08/30/07 Thu
Author: catie
Author Host/IP: h69.42.91.75.ip.alltel.net / 75.91.42.69
Subject: Re: Do you believe that committing suicide is a sin ?
In reply to: Neysa 's message, "Do you believe that committing suicide is a sin ?" on 10:27:40 08/30/07 Thu

"...it wasn't until 1984 when Pope John Paul II, ALLOWED those who committed suicide to have a funeral Mass, and be buried in the consecrated cemetery"

Okay, were really on different pages here. Please, try to understand where I'm coming from when I say this as I take it very personally. I apologize ahead of posting, if I come off too strong, but honestly, who the hell is that man to say who can and can't have a funeral, can or can't be buried in a certain place or get to heaven if they committ suicide. That really riles me. I know it doesn't apply to me anyway being a protestant, but understanding what a hurting family goes through, that they need their minister more than ever then, how do you think that's going to endear those Catholics to their own church?!

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[> [> Catie...................... -- Neysa, 11:00:35 08/30/07 Thu [1] (user-2inik1k.dialup.mindspring.com/165.121.80.52)

I like what John Paul II did. It was all those before him that didn't allow it because the Catholic Church said it is a sin to take your life.

My grandfather got a head injury while working in the mines. A few years later he couldn't take the pain anymore and took his own life. I cannot see it being a sin. I don't think he knew what he was doing.

If it wasn't so expensive and the state making it so complicated I would have my grandfather re-buried. It bothers me where he is buried and the fact that he is not buried with his wife and other family members.

I always thought the Catholic Church was wrong by not allowing a funeral Mass and to be buried in the Catholic Cemetery.

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[> [> [> Men should not judge... -- Lynn, 12:11:41 08/30/07 Thu [1] (ip72-193-232-42.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.232.42)

I agree with Catie. It is God who does the judging, so what gave them the right to refuse? Jesus Christ died for us, so was his death pointless? That's one of the reasons I did not become a Catholic, too many things not right about it.

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[> [> Re: Do you believe that committing suicide is a sin ? -- Joan, 14:18:53 08/30/07 Thu [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)

Well, he's the leader of the Church on Earth. :-)
The Church owns the cemetaries, so I suppose they have the right to say who can and can't be buried there. I think that's true of every church-owned cemetary.

I think that suicide that's done for effect is a sin. Someone who jumps off a bridge to teach someone a lesson is committing a sin. Someone who jumps off a bridge because they can't imagine living anymore isn't committing a sin, imo.

I think it's not a sin in that case, because the person wasn't in his right mind. Sin requires the full kwowledge that what you're doing is wrong.

Joan

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[> [> [> Joan -- catie, 06:23:52 08/31/07 Fri [1] (h69.42.91.75.ip.alltel.net/75.91.42.69)

When a church owns a cemetery, in most protestant churches, it isn't up to a minister to decide who can or can't be buried there, but the people who own it. Of course, they literally own it because the congregation purchased it.

I realize things are done differently in the Catholic church and I guess then that a catholic congregation member who had loved ones buried in that cemetery knew ahead of time that a non-catholic would not be buried there. I suppse they came to terms with that when they agreed to be bured there themselves. Is there something considered "holy" about that cemetery that keeps non Catholics from being buried there? If so, what are the ramifications of being buried/not being buried in that cemetery?

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