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Subject: High school paddling Author: Karen [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 10:49:24 10/07/24 Mon I am in college now living in Texas in a small town whose district paddled in all grades k through 12 . The paddles in high school are bigger and are swung harder . Last year I got paddled three times the first one three swats for tardies . The system allows up to 5 swats although 3 and 5 swats are more common the swats are witnessed by a school employee most times a secretary . Teacher who are in the office at. Time a student is to be paddled are made to witness . My favorite teacher told me she hated witnessing a paddling because she wanted to have a good relationship with students . She witnessed one of mine in 11 th grade I had no hard feelings. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Cliff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:03:29 10/07/24 Mon A retired Educator told me about when she was a student teacher at a Dallas area high school in the late 80s. She said any student wanting to get out of an afternoon detention, could show up at the Assistant Principal's Office at a certain time in the morning before classes started and take 2 paddle licks to get out of an after school detention. If they had been given more than one day of detention, they had to show up each morning for another 2 licks. It was called, "Burning off a detention". According to her, most of the students who chose to "burn off a detention", were those who had after school jobs or school related activities, such as sports or cheerleading. Karen, If you were back in High School and given a choice between 2 licks or a 2 hour long after school detention, which would you take? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Karen for Cliff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:14:26 10/08/24 Tue I would take the 2 swats at our school in small town it is the administrators choice and they usually chooses swats my friends would have chosen swats so would my parents our high school has a female principal and a male assistant principal small student population all that is needed . Both gave very hard swats and treated students fair . Detention at our school is a three hour Saturday detention my boyfriend got it once instead of swats he said it sucked and time dragged no talking . You had to study or read and be quit [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Laura [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:19:51 10/08/24 Tue I am a middle school teacher in a rural East Texans school, where we still have corporal punishment. My classroom is near the office so, in a pinch, I am frequently tagged to be the witness. Unlike Karen's teacher I do not hate witnessing a paddling. To me the paddling of a student, is no different than a spanking I give to my stepdaughter. I want her to learn rules and manners. I want her to learn to behave. I do not hate spanking her. It is something I have to do, as a good mother.I do not neglect discipline because "I want a good relationship with her." I discipline her because I love her! And I want her to understand that. Love is not just a bed of roses! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Cliff (to Laura) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:16:26 10/08/24 Tue I went to school in a rural SE Texas town but that was more than 50 years ago. I do not think our school even had detention in those days. I am all for using CP in schools now a days as an option the student can choose as long as suspension is not a more appropriate discipline. I am curious as to what your school does if a student refuses to cooperate and assume the position. I see the posibility of injury if force is used to discipline a student. How many licks is your school allowed to give at one time? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Laura [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:43:48 10/08/24 Tue This is a middle school, grades 6-8. I am not aware of refusal happening, but perhaps in upper grades. We also have detention, but it is a lesser punishment. The kids get three or five swats depending on the misbehavior. One thing I have noticed is how it changes attitude, even with the toughest kids. I am not the only teacher or staff who has noticed misbehavior warranting a second round of paddling is almost non-existence (but again, this may have to do with the ages). In our school district corporal punishment is widely supported by parents. Per Texas law, at the beginning of the school year they may opt their child out, but few do. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Cliff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:58:54 10/08/24 Tue I am very aware Texas is a conservative state and for the most part I support CP in schools. I know school staff seemed to have a handle on discipline back in my day, and we did not have the discipline problems schools do today. My main concern with corporal punishment in schools is the paddles that may be used by someone who is not knowledgable about what they are doing. Some paddles I have seen are basically a piece of lumber and they do have to be in order to be effective. In my opinion, paddles should not be any more than a half an inch thick and if a paddle is swung hard enough to break a 1/2 inch thick piece of hardwood, that is excessive. Also, those authorized to paddle should be given some training in order to safely administer a paddling. Actually, I think a good leather strap would be as effective as a school paddle and safer to use. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Rebecca [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:57:02 10/08/24 Tue I must be about the same age as you, growing up in the fifties/early sixties. I have called it the "golden age of spanking." Almost all parents spanked, all the schools, public and private, paddled. And this was in liberal Western Washington! I went to Catholic schools K-through 12. In primary school all the nuns had paddles. I never got it. Partly because I was something of a goody two shoes, and a girl (boys were, somewhat justifiably more prone to get it) and my parents had a rule, like almost all parents at the time, get spanked at school get another at home --and I knew it would be a real doozy! But on your point, no doubt kids were better behaved then--at school and home. By the way, for better or worse,there is no paddling in schools in Washington now, and no Catholic schools anywhere spank. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Cliff (to Rebecca) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:31:13 10/08/24 Tue I would guess we are close together in age. I turned 69 in August. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Rebecca [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:51:06 10/08/24 Tue Got you beat by a year! Turned 70 in April. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Karen for Cliff and Laura [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:38:26 10/08/24 Tue Very few parents here refuse swats I got paddled in middle school 6th grade I was having trouble being on time for my third period class it was the furthest from my locker I went to my locker after every class . I had my fourth tardy on Thursday got referred to the office I got called to the office over the loudspeaker in my 6th period class . I had to get three swats with the paddle the assistant principal said use my backpack to carry books to my classes until lunch then put them into the locker and get the books for my afternoon classes . I took my three licks did what he said and learned a lesson . In elementary and middle school I got a lot of paddlings being a wild child but grew out of it in 8 th grade . I never got into anything that was five swats or a in school suspension . [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Alfred22 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:12:32 10/08/24 Tue Three swats is a lot. Glad they worked and you figured out a good system for being on time and not tardy. Do you think three was just right or could you have learned what to do with just one? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Karen for Alfred [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:15:17 10/09/24 Wed The punishment for tardies was written in the student handbook as three swats with the paddle or a three hour Saturday detention administrators choice I got the punishment everyone else would get deserved and no hard feelings . I got a spanking from dad at home . Yes it hurt as a spanking should it is punishment . [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Cliff (with a question for Karen) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:29:01 10/08/24 Tue I have a question I would like to ask you since you have recent experience on the receiving end of the school paddle. I know different paddles, and how they are used will have different pain levels. I have a paddle, made from oak, that is 24 inches long, 3 1/2 inches wide, and 1/2 inch thick. All my recent experience is being the paddler. I have been told by a certain lady, who likes spanking, that the first 2 swats with it is bearable. But each swat after two, the sting seems to double. Would you consider that an accurate account? Was there that much a difference between getting 5 swats over clothes from your Assistant Principal instead of only 3? How about when you get swats when bare below the waist? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Karen for Cliff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:27:19 10/09/24 Wed The paddles in high school were 24 inches long I only got three lick paddlings at school the first was hard enough to get my eyes watery the second tears rolling down my face the third loud crying and it would move my body a little forward . The middle school paddle was 18 inches long elementary school had two paddle sizes 13 inches for kindergarten and first grade and the 15 inch grades 2 through 5 . All worked the same on the age group used on plus age appropriate hard swats . The paddles had holes in them . My dad has given me up to 12 swats he builds the swats up more gradually until the last swat and adjusts his swing for my bottom being bare dads paddle has holes in it to it fells like your bottom is burning . [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Tiredny [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:14:16 10/08/24 Tue Judging by the number of replies, it seems detentions and school paddlings are a popular topic. Last May, I posted a story that has a number of interesting "twists" in how detentions "could" be handled. Take a look and let me know what you think: https://strictspanking.blogspot.com/2024/05/just-another-day-at-tuttle-high.html?zx=6c395879a60f3f7c [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Cliff (to Tiredny) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:59:52 10/09/24 Wed I found your Tuttle High story a few months ago and enjoyed it very much. I really like where the story line goes with Student Teachers and other school employees having the option of being paddled instead of other disciplinary action. I would really like it if you would post that story, and any others with the paddling theme on my Voy Forum about school paddling, https://www.voy.com/251035/. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Laura [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:16:33 10/09/24 Wed Hello Karen, how many swats do you and your sisters receive at home and is it by mom or dad and always on the bare bottom? I read this article from 2014 about school paddling in Texas. https://www.corpun.com/14archive/uss01411.htm#25810 Do you know which schools in Texas are using the paddle most often in recent years? all in rural areas? About how many % of familiys with teens have a paddle at home? I live in western Europe. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Karen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:30:33 10/09/24 Wed My dad does most of the paddling our paddle is more like a cutting board than a school paddle shorter wider and thicker . I saw an article that that last year which be my senior year 95 percent of the k through 12 students in our country received at least one paddling . It seems about right my friend parents all have some kind of paddle My boyfriends parents use a split tail strap instead of a paddle . Our County has three Christian schools that also paddle . For most kids here a paddling in school is another spanking at home . I believe The choice of the paddle or three hours of Saturday detention should be the administrators decision . Just as punishment at home should be the parents decision. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Laura [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:38:26 10/09/24 Wed ok, I see, thats surprising, I thought it would be rare even in christian schools and at home maybe for 30% or so. Could you say which county is it? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Real Laura [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:17:44 10/09/24 Wed I am not saying your name is not real. But to avoid confusion I want to clarify I was the first "Laura" to post on this thread, and I have posted on this board before. It has nothing to do with whether I agree or not, but I did NOT post this comment. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Christine to Karen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:44:32 10/09/24 Wed ok, thats really much, I wouldnt have thought that. could you link the article you mentioned? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Real Laura [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:28:26 10/09/24 Wed I am not saying your name is not real. But to avoid confusion I want to clarify I was the first "Laura" to post on this thread, and I have posted on this board before. It has nothing to do with whether I agree or not with any implications of this question, if any, but I did NOT post this question. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Laura [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:22:02 10/09/24 Wed ok, I saw you get up to 12 swats at home on the bare bottom by your dad, I didnt see it first. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Karen for Cliff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:29:27 10/09/24 Wed The paddles are have wholes drilled but sanded smooth then varnished and a clear coat put on . Gym coaches cannot paddle but varsity sport coaches can and do paddle I played middle and high school softball our coaches had paddles and on road trips and tournaments the paddles came with us . My college has no sports so my student athlete days are over . At our schools teachers send a referral from thier laptop during class the cal you up to their desk and you have to wait for you name to be called anything after lunch will probably the next day . Paddlings are done in order they we received. They call you to the office with three or four other students so there is a wait time on a bench in the office . [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Laura [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:34:01 10/09/24 Wed which county is it, Karen? I think 95% today can not be. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Cliff (to Karen) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:34:16 10/09/24 Wed I played football from 7th grade through 11th. Even though all the coaches had paddles, they did not use them very much at practice. I think I would have prefered a couple of licks over having to bear crawl or running bleachers. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Real Laura to Cliff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:44:34 10/09/24 Wed There is confusion on this board. I did not write this. As mentioned there, it has been over fifty years since I was in a school which paddled, and it was not a college [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Real Laura to Laura [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:59:12 10/09/24 Wed I am not saying your name is not real or simply an innocent alias, which is common. But to avoid confusion I want to clarify I was the first "Laura" to post on this thread, and I have posted on this board before. It has nothing to do with whether I agree or not, but I did NOT post this comment. Factually it is inaccurate regarding my childhood spankings or spanking procedures in my schools back then, or in the middle school I teach at now. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Cliff (to the first Laura) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:10:25 10/09/24 Wed It is confusing when more than one person with the same first name posts here. I do not blame you for wanting to make sure we know what you post and what is posted by someone else. Since you witness school paddlings from time to time, I would like to hear more about what you have experienced and details about how an actual session with the padlling administrator goes. Is the one who paddles a Principal, or an Assistant Principal? What kind of rule violations normally warrant a paddling? Does the number of licks (swats) vary based on the offense and/or the number of times paddled? Are there normally tears? From both boys and girls? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Laura2 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:53:32 10/09/24 Wed yes, but my name is also Laura, so Im also a real Laura :) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Laura 1 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:19:29 10/10/24 Thu I understand. I just wanted to make it clear my comments were not yours, without causing any offense. I was the first Laura to comment on this thread, so was surprised to see another Laura who was not me. I have also commented on this board before. No offense was meant, and if I did please accept my apologies. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Cliff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:43:07 10/09/24 Wed When I went to school in Texas, during the 60s and early 70s, paddling was usually done as soon as possible after the infraction. There was no report to the Principal's Office after the last bell on the next day. In grades 1-8, Teachers could paddle in the classroom or opt to send or escort the student(s) to the Principal's Office. Coaches could paddle on the spot whether it be in the Gym, Field House, Practice Field, or on the Playground. In Elementry School (Grades 1-6) the coach was always on the playground as we did not have a Gym or any kind of recreation building. He carried his paddle in a holster on his belt. There was no uniformity of paddles, The Elementry School Coach's paddle was a Louisville Slugger baseballbat that had been planed down into a paddle. Paddlings were always over the clothes we wore and the maximum number of swats (licks we called them) was 3. There was no calling home or checking permission slips to paddle on file I know about, and I never had to take a slip home to let my parents know I had been disciplined. There were notations about conduct on report cards we took home. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Kayla [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:17:30 10/21/24 Mon I am a teacher in a paddling district in Alabama I teach in a middle school the paddling is done in the office parents must consent in the beginning of the school year most do the middle school paddle size is in between the elementary and high school paddles being 18 inches long . I have witnessed three paddlings this year . All were girls and the paddlings involved more than one . I feel sorry for the students but discipline must be done . I have no problem being a witness or referring a student to the office for not behaving. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Alfred22 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:09:43 10/23/24 Wed Kayla's opinion is very important here. She is currently working as a teacher in Alabama and has served at the official observer this school year. Perhaps, her school has set boundary conditions that prevent the sort of excesses that Sonya experienced. How upset are the students beforehand and afterwards? Are they in a similar condition to Sonya? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Kayla to Alfred [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:30:44 10/24/24 Thu The students in the farm area the school get it at home the accept the paddling most have home work and farm work after school these are family farms not corporate farms detention would be a hardship for the students or thier families most get paddled or belted at home so a little spanking is not the worst thing . It is easy to think everything is one size fit all . We have affordable but nice school uniforms so the feel good about the school clothes and help them learn . A education can lead them to a better life . Most of the farms are peanuts and soybeans most have horses for personal use and to raise and sell . Something’s that make sense in rural America might not make sense in other parts of the country . The administrators thee a principal a female two assistants one male and female have what’s is best for all the students at the school at heart . I have had boys and girls thank me for sending them to the office . Three swats is the max allowed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Kayla for Alfred [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:04:49 10/24/24 Thu I teach 6th grade science I have a bachelor’s degree in teaching and a master’s in physics I came back to the town I grew up in to help future generations . My paddlings were witnessed and not abusive I learned to follow rules and care about my education. Abuse can still happen but there is less of a chance with standard paddles limits on swats and the witness . The 6th graders are part young adults part children . From what I see no hard feelings I have taught 12 years and enjoy it a lot . I have seen students I taught in the first few years get married and have kids you know everyone in a small town [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Alfred22 for Kayla [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:41:22 10/24/24 Thu Thank you Kayla for your detailed description of your school and how it is serving your rural community. After-school time is quite different for urban kids who have "activities" rather than farm work essential to the operation of the family business. Detention of a rural student might well amount to the loss of a worker. It would harm the family, impose on other family members to pick up the slack, and possibly force the student to miss the school bus and to need someone to drive him or her home. I can see how different after-school time is now that Kayla has reminded us. Clearly for Kayla's rural students detention is not an alternative to the paddle. Kayla, you mention that you were paddled when you went to the school you teach in or to a similar school. What was your offense and did you benefit from the standard paddle and the three swat limit? Also, if you recall, why did your students thank you for referring them to the office for swats. That is, what were they grateful for? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Kayla for Alfred [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:34:08 10/25/24 Fri I had more than one paddling in k through 12 grade in elementary school and middle school was talking being a class clown the paddlings helped me get serious and learn . Also another spanking at home . The students were thankful I corrected them I have a great relationship with my students . My husband and I have three daughters the oldest is 11 and the youngest is 7 . My husband founded a non profit to connect family farmers to resources and to advocate for better laws to help family farms . We do spank our girls we use a wooden spoon it stings and gets their attention [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Alfred22 for Kayla (Very appreciative) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:31:57 10/26/24 Sat This is a big election year and your responses about your family life are very helpful to me. Your partnership with your husband enables him to develop the non-profit that links family farmers to all the resources designed to keep family farming going. I have always loved farm life. I know it only from afar. My best friend's dad raised goats and delivered their milk to persons who needed it medically. His Mom had rental property that she managed. They did not live on the money from the goat dairy. What is the economic future of family farming? I have read that big companies are taking over agriculture. I like the idea of the family as a team and farming requires teamwork. So, it would be good if family farming continues but it may need to be done collectively through small groups of farmers working together. Will any of your girls want to be farmers? I bet they are well-behaved. The mom of a girl friend used the wooden spoon. She would tell me that if we didn't want red bullseye circles painted on our bottoms, to be sure Karen was home on time. I took the hint and never called her bluff. She may have been joking about including me, but the red circles were no joke!. Still it was on my mind, for sure. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Kayla for Alfred [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:44:37 10/26/24 Sat We still kelp the spoon handy it is in my handbag when we go out as a family . Watching tv in the family room it is within reach of me same at the dinner table . It helps remind them of the consequences of poor behavior at 11 9 and 7 they know how to behave . A lot of moms around here use a wooden spoon or spatulas our is an olive wood spatula everybody especially children call them all a spanking spoon . It is easy to control the force of a swat so it can be used from younger children to teens . [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Alfred22 for Kayla [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:54:52 10/26/24 Sat Whether as a guest you were liable to the same consequences as your friend or date was never totally clear. One time I was a guest and my friend's littlest brother prompted the dreaded stopping of his mother's car on the way to the beach. She got out and cut a switch as we all sat silently and watched. She came back to the car to spank the brother but the back seat was crowded and there were no car seats or seat belts. So. we all got "accidental" switch licks even trying not to be in the way. That was the most I ever got as a guest. However, especially after that happened I was even more cautious and on good behavior when I entered a friend's house, especially when, like Kayla, his mom conspicuously displayed her "spanking spoon" or paddle. Leaving the current implement in plain sight is a good reminder of the consequences of poor conduct. Do your kids ask you to keep it out of sight? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: High school paddling Author: Karin_ven [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:00:51 10/29/24 Tue In my country spanking isn’t common so iam suprised that you can talk to free about it. There are differend women that work on the schools and witness the spankings. I was wondering if a student gets a spanking, do they ever ask not to tell the parents because of what’s coming at home? Do you hold back because they are facing another spanking at home ? Do the students or parents ever tell what’s gonna happen after they are home in detail ? Do you notice that a student sits down very careful the next day ? Do you ever inform if they are okay the next day ? We don’t have corporal punishment in schools. But I understand as a mom that if my child had a note from school that they got paddled. Let’s say they had some quality time over my knee after diner. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]