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Date Posted: 14:48:52 02/18/24 Sun
Author: To transfer?
Author Host/IP: 104-231-127-027.res.spectrum.com / 104.231.127.27
Subject: What are the options for Academy dancers

Richen Times
Irwin
Dwyer

Anymore?

They have some Cleveland dancers but those seem to all be transfers so maybe they will just go back where they were from?

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[> Dwyer or RT best options -- No name (Skip Irwin), 16:52:39 02/19/24 Mon (mobile-166-198-021-004.mycingular.net/166.198.21.4)

Irwin isn’t high caliber and only good for performances. RT and Dwyer have proven track records and high ethics with safe and positive support of their dancers.

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[> [> Agree with your thoughts inside about those 3 schools. -- No name (Go with Dwyer!), 17:42:58 02/19/24 Mon (075-185-216-184.res.spectrum.com/75.185.216.184)

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[> [> Why is Irwin not high-caliber? -- can you explain, no snark (more inside), 13:06:38 02/23/24 Fri (NoHost/184.105.111.53)

Why isn't Irwin great? It's one of a few schools in Columbus that do this sport. Curious to hear your reasoning...

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[> Dwyer hands down! Great location and reputation. -- See inside (See inside), 19:38:39 02/19/24 Mon (107-212-240-201.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net/107.212.240.201)

If my retired dancer was still young, she would be at Dwyer in a heartbeat. Highly ethical school with proven development results without having a negative impact upon the child. RT is too big and too much about staff egos. Irwin is a recreational school-which is 109% fine if that is what you want!

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[> Rankin Holland teachers are awesome and ethical, they and Dwyer are really the only two choices in central Ohio if you want to be competitive -- No name, 06:24:35 02/20/24 Tue (adsl-75-61-167-165.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/75.61.167.165)

Irwin is for recreation and performance only, if you want a championship dancer that can win, do not go there. But they can get you through grades just fine.

I know some families that interviewed RT when Millennium dissolved and one of the owners told them specifically “we are not designed to take transfers”. The school is already too big, go there if you want your kid to be a number, imo.

Michael Holland and Nicole Rankin are excellent teachers and their dancers are very successful for being such a small school.

Dwyer is also very successful for being new to central Ohio, they have been in Dayton for years.

I’ve seen a lot of transfers over the years, don’t take this decision lightly-interview the teachers, visit a class, talk to the dancers. There are schools out there that can help your dancer achieve their goals without cheating.

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[> [> Irwin has solid dancers--respect your take tho -- A few high-level dancers are there I think (more inside), 13:13:58 02/23/24 Fri (NoHost/184.105.111.53)

Irwin has just as much talent as the other schools. Each school is run differently too. And most of the girls all know each other from the various schools...

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[> [> richens timm size? -- how big is big?, 14:58:43 03/04/24 Mon (NoHost/184.105.111.53)

How big is RT versus RRH? Both excellent schools. Would be great to see breakdown of how big each school is. Seven in Cbus, unless I'm missing a few.

Irwin
Dwyer
RT
RRH
Academy ( :P )
ML
Claddagh

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[> [> [> Heard that RT has over 200 dancers -- No name, 14:44:29 03/15/24 Fri (70-229-62-242.ded.ameritech.net/70.229.62.242)

Not sure of breakdowns. Their school is increasing in numbers.

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[> [> [> [> thank you re: RT -- Looks like a good school (more inside), 21:30:17 03/15/24 Fri (d-23-244-49-44.oh.cpe.breezeline.net/23.244.49.44)

RT, RRH, IAoID, Dwyer and also Claddagh. Tons of them out there lol

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[> [> [> [> [> Claddagh is for adults and the few Academy college age dancers are way beyond Claddagh‘s level of focus -- Nothing wrong with Claddagh, 06:53:02 03/16/24 Sat (NoHost/107.121.104.17)

It’s just not where they should go. I think what Claddagh does with adults is cool but they are more Ceili and beginner focused.

I personally don’t like RT (more so their school rules and how they block others and some of their champs are snotty to other dancers), but RT and RH could best IMO support the few Academy adult dancers.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Snotty… isn’t that more like a personal issue rather than school? -- No name, 21:12:32 03/16/24 Sat (NoHost/104.28.103.79)

My friend’s kids go there. “Snotty” to other dancers isn’t something RT teaches? That’s more individual issues and can be seen across ALL dance schools everywhere? I agree with you on not moving dancers to next level sooner. They tend to participate in most of local feis including second chance too. A bit inconsiderate I’d say..

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[> [> [> [> [> [> is claddagh affiliated w/other schools? -- or is another name for columbus celtic dancers?, 16:15:16 03/18/24 Mon (NoHost/184.105.111.53)

Must be a newer school?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Claddagh spun off when Millennium closed. Cols Celtic Dancers is adult wing of RT. -- nt, 12:41:38 03/25/24 Mon (d-23-245-112-161.oh.cpe.breezeline.net/23.245.112.161)

nt

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I always get them switched -- TY for helping, 09:32:37 03/27/24 Wed (NoHost/184.105.111.53)

Good to have adult options in Cbus! Claddagh seemed to randomly pop up one day and I was like "another ID school in Cbus!" I'll check them out.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Lots for adults in Cols - Irwin, Rankin Holland, Cols Celtic (RT), Claddagh, ML, & maybe Dwyer -- nt, 11:53:05 03/28/24 Thu (d-23-245-112-161.oh.cpe.breezeline.net/23.245.112.161)

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[> Cleveland dancers will go to Smyth or Brady Campbell -- All from macconmara, leneghan or CRN, 09:49:21 02/20/24 Tue (h50.71.21.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.21.71.50)

I doubt the Cleveland dancers will go back to their original schools. All former Academy dancers that left since Christine Smyth started her school have gone there and seem very happy. She has done a great job with them. Seems as if it is the complete opposite of the Academy background that she came from and is a Catholic Irish dance school so some may not want to go there if they aren’t Catholic.

Smyth is one of the biggest ID schools in Ohio. She has done amazing things with her transfers and I heard they have 2-3 teachers in their small champ class. Even a Beginner to champ in 3 years with one dancer. All dancers get very good attention.

BC took Academy transfers before Christine started her school and they are great but with dancers that are related to TCs I wouldn’t pick that school if my dancer was in that age group.

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[> [> Cleveland dancers should go to Burke. Good few Oireachtas champs the last couple years and clean reputation. -- That’s where we’d go in CLE, 10:30:34 02/20/24 Tue (93-66-128-38.clients.gthost.com/38.128.66.93)

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[> [> [> 2 CLE Academy parents danced for Burke one said he would never -- Send his kids there, 10:43:22 02/20/24 Tue (NoHost/107.121.100.62)

So I don’t think that transfer would happen. Nothing against them, I just know what he told me.

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[> [> [> [> Burke teachers are good people and the academy nearly caused the school to go under. -- No name, 18:34:03 02/24/24 Sat (024-210-041-052.res.spectrum.com/24.210.41.52)

The academy teachers targeted Champs from Burke when they first moved to Cleveland and solicited for them to transfer. It would be poetic for Burke to get Academy transfers

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[> [> Smyth being one of the biggest ID schools in Ohio? Where did you hear that? -- No name, 07:51:38 02/21/24 Wed (70-229-62-242.ded.ameritech.net/70.229.62.242)

Smh

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Irwin is a great school -- Trust me (read more inside), 12:56:30 02/23/24 Fri (NoHost/184.105.111.53)

Irwin has a great blend of young and old dancers. Many have Worlds experience too :)

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[> [> WQ for Irwin is a loose term. See inside. -- No name, 08:31:08 02/24/24 Sat (mobile-166-205-159-031.mycingular.net/166.205.159.31)

Worlds experience at their previous school. “Irwin’s” WQ is almost 22 and only qualified because all the top talent in the comp has retired and moved on to real life, not hanging on to past failures. They truly are just best as a performance school. I love their performances and their energy. I just can’t support a school who openly welcomes a TC who walked away from their yo begin with and tried to sabbatoge Irwin and then destroyed another human beings livelihood and existence while creating a million trust and anxiety issues in her former dancers. The behavior was appalling and anyone who supports that is appalling too.

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[> [> [> And the acceptability of this level of cruelty is why Millennium's demise was way past due. -- DM, 15:54:19 02/24/24 Sat (76-221-157-218.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net/76.221.157.218)

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[> [> [> [> what really happened to millennium -- first post was a lil confusing (more inside), 12:18:57 02/26/24 Mon (NoHost/184.105.111.53)

what actually happened re: MA? First post was confusing and not clear about what happened.
seemed like a great school. Irwin is solid, not perfect but still very good

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[> [> [> [> [> M closed bc the owner needed to tend to her own family in Ireland. She tried her best to keep the school going remotely. But in the end, it did not work out. -- No name, 00:47:25 02/28/24 Wed (d-65-60-191-203.oh.cpe.breezeline.net/65.60.191.203)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> thank you! -- merger with irwin?, 10:04:53 02/28/24 Wed (NoHost/184.105.111.53)

It seems like they have merged well with the other school (Irwin?) so far!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> More inside -- Millennium closing, 21:53:47 02/29/24 Thu (024-210-041-052.res.spectrum.com/24.210.41.52)

In short, the owner moved to Ireland.
Millennium was filled with passionate dancers and teachers, and this is why it was a successful school. However, there was also serious dysfunction.
There are lots of opinions on why the school closed and whose fault it was.
Ultimately, everyone was lucky there are enough other schools nearby that everyone was able to find a good school to continue their training.
There were two active teachers at the time of the school closure, although the owner would come for workshops and camps and did some virtual private lessons. One of the TCRG’s who left opened an adult only school in Columbus, the other joined Irwin Academy. The owner, who remained in Ireland, encouraged the dancers to join Dwyer, who took over the Millennium studio in Columbus.
A few dancers opted to follow the owner’s advice to join Dwyer. Many of the dancers decided to continue their training with the teacher who joined Irwin, the rest went to Richens, or Rankin Holland and with the exception of a few people, everyone is happy and supportive of their former classmates.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> thank you for the kindness -- more inside, 00:41:45 03/03/24 Sun (d-23-244-49-44.oh.cpe.breezeline.net/23.244.49.44)

unlike some of the responses here that don't like Irwin for some reason and other schools this is helpful. TY for the breakdown!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Thank you for understanding! -- No name, 14:48:46 03/03/24 Sun (024-210-041-052.res.spectrum.com/24.210.41.52)

One last word of advice.
If a person is leaving the academy because they got burned when they found out their teachers were engaging in score fixing… you might want to consider a school whose teachers aren’t also judges.
Hard to participate in favor trading if your teachers aren’t judges.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> good points--some schools should switch names :) -- got irwin academy confused with the academy, 09:39:08 03/06/24 Wed (NoHost/184.105.111.53)

two totally different schools but one of them should change their name lol to avoid being mixed up with the other one :p

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Tons of Schools have Academy as part of their name. The Academy -- Is a basic name, 07:31:21 03/18/24 Mon (NoHost/107.121.100.12)

And confusing to many. Nothing stands out about their tracksuits. Basic black and white. I can see how it could be confusing to other schools.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> they lack style -- For all their talent a big, boring A is all they got ;), 08:59:21 03/20/24 Wed (NoHost/184.105.111.53)

Academy has some dancers with talent so no snark there; some of their kids are legit and work hard.

Their logo/style is in need of an update. Their simple A makes them look like something out of the '80s!

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[> [> [> [> Sabotage? -- Big accusations, 12:45:07 03/05/24 Tue (NoHost/184.105.111.53)

I'm not sure what that poster is getting at re: sabotage...the school closed and the teachers/students just had to transfer/move to another school, etc., as explained by other posts here.

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[> [> [> Let’s be kind -- Katie Commins, 16:05:40 02/24/24 Sat (NoHost/24.32.71.79)

I can hear how angry you are, but it is a little hypocritical to post on a public board some pretty nasty comments about a young adult who has worked hard and did well at the Oireachtas. That’s petty and childish. I understand that this must have been very difficult for the dancers and my heart truly breaks for the difficulties they faced last year and this one. How wonderful that there are so many great options in Columbus area. I think you should either edit your comment so you aren’t targeting very young adults who compete or delete it entirely. …. Or sign your name.

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[> [> [> Not Okay -- No name, 19:46:35 02/24/24 Sat (174-105-194-112.res.spectrum.com/174.105.194.112)

The dancer in question is a multiple WQ and is a lovely dancer. Many dancers find early success and then need time to adjust their dancing and find a new style that compliments their new build when they have growth spurts - especially the dancers who are suddenly tall.

If you don't like Iriwin, fine, but please don't attack one of the dancers and dismiss the hard work and determination it takes to navigate college and competitive Irish dance.

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[> Visit the near by schools and talk to the teachers -- No name, 15:57:11 02/24/24 Sat (135.sub-174-207-97.myvzw.com/174.207.97.135)

There are a handful of schools in the area
Richens Timm
Rankin holland
Irwin
Dwyer
ML
There are pros and cons to each school and different approaches to each school.
I would encourage an academy parent to connect with the different schools and learn about the program, meet the teachers, and decide from themselves.
It sounds like there are some bias opinions out there. Look and see for yourself. You’d do yourself a disservice to not vet your options.

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[> [> Good Advice -- No name, 19:27:06 02/24/24 Sat (174-105-194-112.res.spectrum.com/174.105.194.112)

Each of these schools is unique in how they instruct and their dance style. Watching their dancers dance at a feis, on social media, or video from a major can give you a good idea of their steps. Maybe meet some of the parents at a feis to see if the parent side is a good fit, too. I don't know of any school where everyone is 100% happy 100% of the time, and the differences among the schools make it a great idea to do your due diligence to find your best fit.

You can watch many of these schools perform and see the families in person on March 17th at the Irish Family Reunion at the Columbus Convention Center.

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[> [> [> clarification-is Academy gonna close? More inside -- Just wanna be sure, 11:11:15 02/25/24 Sun (d-23-244-49-44.oh.cpe.breezeline.net/23.244.49.44)

reading all of these comments is interesting. Is the Academy closing or just a few want to transfer due to the BT issue?

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[> [> [> [> hahaha NO! -- Just wishful thinking by a few pot stirrers, 14:05:08 02/25/24 Sun (074-133-077-077.res.spectrum.com/74.133.77.77)

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[> What about Moriarty-Lukyanova? -- No name, 10:59:34 02/25/24 Sun (192-181-049-063.res.spectrum.com/192.181.49.63)

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[> Betting half or more will stay. They already knew about the cheating -- Lacking integrity, 09:18:55 03/05/24 Tue (199-83-73-20.summa-health.org/199.83.73.20)

Anyone with an oz of integrity would have already left.

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