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Date Posted: 12:32:30 10/05/20 Mon
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GIDGirl
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Subject: Not advancing
If a dancer does not advance in January, even though they have won first places in grades, is there anything another dancer can/should do? This has allowed placement for my daughter and several other dancers.
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This frustrates a lot of dancers (and their parents) -- Inside, 13:57:27 10/05/20 Mon (cpe-65-189-55-125.cinci.res.rr.com/65.189.55.125)
When my daughter was in PC, there was a situation where a dancer in one of her friend's competitions admitted she qualified for OC the previous year, but wanted to stay in PC because it was "easier" and she liked collecting sashes. There was still time before the competition and one of the dancers reported it to her mother who brought it up with a stage monitor. The stage monitor ended up taking it up with the girl's teacher who was there, getting ready to watch the competition. Long story short, she was immediately moved up to OC (I believe she placed well too).
You can always take it up with a stage monitor. However, not all stage monitors are assertive, so they may not do anything about it. It happens in the scenario above, the stage monitor was very involved with the committee and knew who the girl's teacher was. It worked out.
Your other option is to locate the feis chairperson and report the situation. With so few feis opportunities due to Covid, it is extremely unfair for a dancer who has qualified to move up not doing so when it has been mandated by the Region (January 1st for grades)
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FeisNot Responsible -- No name, 15:39:53 10/05/20 Mon (cpe-72-128-110-57.wi.res.rr.com/72.128.110.57)
A Feis or a stage monitor can' do that. It is up to the school to make these decisions. Unfortunately some just trophy hunt. You cannot pull a dancer off stage as some schools have other qualifications to move up that are above what the region requires.
Our dancers have always been at the mercy of these rules.
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An executive board member for the feis absolutely can enforce the rules if there is evidence. Stage monitors are often simply parents helping out because their schools require it & don't feel comfortable dealing with complaints like this. However, the feis chair or another executive board member can do something. Been on the board for a feis for years. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. But thank you. -- Feis Can, 16:11:41 10/05/20 Mon (cpe-65-189-55-125.cinci.res.rr.com/65.189.55.125)
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* -- No name, 19:47:26 10/05/20 Mon (cpe-72-128-110-57.wi.res.rr.com/72.128.110.57)
But which rules? and how to prove them? That is the trouble. If a school has different rules, how can you apply them without being the asshole and causing drama. Plus you can't force people to pay for changes at a Feis either. There's more to it than just saying "no you can't dance, you need to move up."
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It is very frustrating! It isn't always the dancer though, there are several schools that keep their dancers in grades or PC after they have qualified to move up. -- No name, 15:08:55 10/05/20 Mon (c-24-12-119-115.hsd1.il.comcast.net/24.12.119.115)
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Their Own Rules -- No name, 15:36:44 10/05/20 Mon (cpe-72-128-110-57.wi.res.rr.com/72.128.110.57)
So true. There was a dancer in PC who won 8 firsts and didn't move up to OC until after Oireachtas. It's trophy hunting. The same school also let a dancer into PC without even competing HP at PW. They make up their own rules.
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They don’t have to move up until January for OC. As for PW, Indidnt even know it was a thing -- Dm, 14:16:34 10/13/20 Tue (ool-68f60a38.dyn.optonline.net/104.246.10.56)
My daughter’s TC had her go straight to PC. I found out years later.
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You can always take complaints like this to a feis chair. They will look into it and move the dancer if need be. However, it is important to note that there are rules on when dancers are required to move. The one that I know frustrates some is that a dancer never has to move out of prizewinner to PC. And you can stay in PC with multiple firsts as long as they have been gotten in the same year. It does suck but those are allowed. -- No name, 18:26:33 10/05/20 Mon (107-217-45-230.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net/107.217.45.230)
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Unless it was a dancer with the hosting school, I’d bring it up to the feis chair. -- So tired of the lack of good sportsmanship by the adults. (More inside), 20:18:04 10/05/20 Mon (ip-70-13-73-191.chcgil.spcsdns.net/70.13.73.191)
There is a lot to be said for teaching kids to be gracious, open-hearted competitors. That means you think about other dancers and want to give every dancer a fair competition. If you already have the firsts you need, move up. If you can’t do it for the sake of good sportsmanship, then do it for the sake of promoting goodwill towards your school.
In grades, my DD spent an entire year in PW competing against a dancer who was on the podium at the O. This girl won every PW competition she did that year but her teacher would not move her up. No one in our area could get of PW because this championship-level dancer had a teacher who won’t move dancers up. I don’t think that teacher knows how much ill will this policy generates with dancers and parents at other schools.
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That's on the parents too. If the dancer is winning every competition, they clearly don't need to feis as often. The parents should have been more considerate than that! -- Parent, 23:09:00 10/05/20 Mon (cpe-65-189-55-125.cinci.res.rr.com/65.189.55.125)
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This happened in our area as well with several dancers -- No name, 13:12:34 10/06/20 Tue (121.sub-174-224-139.myvzw.com/174.224.139.121)
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This happened to us recently, I just try to view it as a poor parenting example -- No name, 22:12:13 10/06/20 Tue (dynamic-acs-24-101-120-55.zoominternet.net/24.101.120.55)
And at the end of the day, the parent isn't doing their kid any favors in terms of life lessons. Will be interesting to see how the trophy hunters fare after dance...
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For Grades dancers (and some in PC) -- ., 09:50:25 10/07/20 Wed (173-162-252-30-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net/173.162.252.30)
Sometimes the dancer and family are at the mercy of the school policy. not every school views moving up immediately as a positive thing for the long term growth/development of a child - staying in for a calendar year is sometimes viewed as the right thing to do, regardless of placements. If they don't move up each calendar year, then I think it truly becomes an issue- but consider the above before you trash a family for bad parenting.
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If a school doesn'r advance them in January or parent holds them back, that is an issue. -- No name, 21:05:49 10/07/20 Wed (dynamic-acs-24-101-120-55.zoominternet.net/24.101.120.55)
our experiences have all been parent driven with the parents being very vocal about sitting their kid in PC to collect.
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