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Date Posted: 10:00:36 09/01/00 Fri
Author: avalanche
Subject: Re: Tainted IQs
In reply to: Mariah 's message, "Tainted IQs" on 07:43:57 09/01/00 Fri

> Who defined intelligence?
>

not a single individual for one. secondly intelligence is not detailisticly defined. rather, there are various aspects of intelligence which are well and properly defined.

> Was it someone who needed particular skills?
> (Capitalism)

no.
>

> Did they need someone who needed math skills?
>

mathematical understanding is considered to be only one aspect of intelligence, and is by no means a requirement for a high intelligence.

> Did they need people who needed abilities discerning
> the difference between objects?

"need", no.
>
> Did they need people who had English skills?
>

no.

> What then do the IQ tests test for?

why do anything at all? people want to KNOW. IQ tests
are quite efficient at roughly determining a person's intelligence, and this is interesting for the people themselves, aswell as for research studies (psychology)

> Does the result of an IQ test, then, tell how
> intelligent a person is,

yes. allthough not absolutely.

or rather is it a tool used
> to taylor them for the needs of the culture?

no.

> If it is assumed that all people who know math are
> intelligent, is it possible that you might find a
> person who knows no math at all, yet is intelligent?

as i explained, yes. IQ tests are not based on math alone. a person who does horribly in math, but does excellently in other areas, could have an incredibly high IQ.

> If it is assumed that all people who can determine
> relationships between differences between shapes or
> collections of shapes and find the closest
> similarities are intelligent, is it possible to find a
> person who is intelligent who can discern no
> relationships between shapes?

probably not, as all humans discern relationships between shapes. it is a basic requirement for perception, and perception is the sole cause of the evolution of intelligence and creativity (90% of perception is creativity, rather than senses)

>
> If it is assumed that those with abilities to
> rearrange letters to form English words are
> intelligent, does it mean that people who know German
> better and only know a little English are more
> intelligent?

this is nonsense. english skills are not neccesary for intelligence nor are they part of an IQ test, what we mean with linguesticial intelligence is the abilitity to not only quickly learn and understand languages, but understand them at a much more complex level, being able to utilize them to a point where ordinary people can not.

>
> IQ tests are always tainted by the judgement of the
> creator.
>

not really. this is a common myth employed by the general public, this is however just an excuse for those who are not satisfied with their intelligence in order to feel good about themselves that somehow IQ doesn't mean anything, when it reality, it means quite a lot.

>
>

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Replies:

Math -- Mariah, 07:16:17 09/02/00 Sat
- Re: Math -- steve, 07:28:45 09/02/00 Sat
  - IQ as Religion -- Mariah, 08:06:34 09/02/00 Sat
    - Re: IQ as Religion -- avalanche, 08:25:00 09/02/00 Sat
      - Rational, Reasonable -- Mariah, 08:37:10 09/02/00 Sat
        Re: Rational, Reasonable -- avalanche, 10:08:40 09/02/00 Sat
- Re: Math -- avalanche, 07:56:41 09/02/00 Sat
  - IQ -- Mariah, 08:24:26 09/02/00 Sat
    - Re: IQ -- avalanche, 08:32:27 09/02/00 Sat
      - Intelligence -- Mariah, 08:47:47 09/02/00 Sat
        Re: Intelligence -- avalanche, 10:11:00 09/02/00 Sat
      - Potential Aptitude -- Mariah, 09:28:03 09/02/00 Sat
      - Intricately Simple -- Mariah, 09:36:04 09/02/00 Sat
  - Re: Math -- mohanned, 08:39:28 08/07/06 Mon