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Date Posted: 10:50:26 12/09/03 Tue
Author: Pouncer
Author Host/IP: 156.80.140.64
Subject: Pouncing Question of the Day
Did you watch the new Battlestar Galactica last night? What did you think?
For our UK and worldwide brethren: did you ever watch the original Battlestar Galactica?
Cylons only turn left, you know.
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I was going to ask the same question. -- Grim ,_,_), 11:24:11 12/09/03 Tue (66.95.229.84)
A few things left impressions on me.
Edward James Olmos is superb as Adama.
Mary McDonnel ain't bad.
A few of the rest of the cast are pretty good.
Most of the writing is pretty bad.
Most of the effects are darned good. I like the asian zoom and shake technique employed here.
There is no real reason that Starbuck is a woman.
Why was a Colonel in a regular 'poker' game with subordinates with which he is nt on excellent terms?
Nice explanation of the backwards feel of the ship.
Baltar is now a complete ninny instead of evil.
Interesting take that #6 seems to be trying to give humans every chance to prove that they are worth NOT wiping out.
I will have to see the rest of the show tonight to complete my opinions.
I was 13 when the original series premiered. I loved it while at the same time recognizing that it was dumbed down for a general audience. It has not aged well, though I still like it. Galactica 1980 was...not good.
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I would love to see it -- GG, 11:48:45 12/09/03 Tue (62.254.32.5)
I do remember the original fondly...
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I liked it -- Pouncer, 12:30:04 12/09/03 Tue (156.80.140.64)
I was really drawn in by the conflict between Apollo and Adama, and adore the reluctant President. Once the cylons attacked, seeing how the characters were reacting kept me spellbound. I did miss about 25 minutes near the end because I had to get ready for bed, but the very end of part I had me hopping. (Not for a moment do I believe that that ship is really gone).
I liked Starbuck a lot. It was so nice to see a substantial woman, who can kick ass and has muscles.
I know that I like something when I start creating my very own Mary Sue character to join the world. That was what I was imagining as I fell asleep.
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'Mary "Pouncer" Sue' on the side of your Viper? -- Grim ,_,_), 12:38:39 12/09/03 Tue (66.95.229.84)
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Re: Pouncing Question of the Day -- wwolfe, 13:32:23 12/09/03 Tue (161.149.63.100)
I didn't see it, because I was Christmas shopping. Nor did I see the original series. Hoever, I may take a look, given the opinions here, and - more importantly - the fact that Mary McDonell is in it. I've always liked her.
Was Lorne Greene in the original. That might have been why I didn't watch it - I think I was afraid of the idea that a spaceship commander from far in the future might burst into a chorus of "Ringo."
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Yes, Lorne 'Ben Cartwright' Greene starred in the original. -- Grim ,_,_), 13:57:03 12/09/03 Tue (66.95.229.84)
Only five years after Bonanza went off the air.
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I liked it. -- skinner, 13:38:07 12/09/03 Tue (198.73.106.129)
My expectations were very low. I vaguely remember the original. To Sean's annoyance, I confuse the original wih Buck Rogers on regular basis. "Where's Wilma?"
I thought the effects were good and the story was enough to keep me interested in what happens to the characters. Not sure how I feel about Starbuck yet. I found her slightly grating..but I think she could turn out to be one of the more original female characters on television. My favourite characters so far are Adama, Apollo & the President.
The show is flawed, but I really enjoyed it. I am looking forward to tonight.
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Re: Pouncing Question of the Day -- Mcookies, 13:54:51 12/09/03 Tue (66.28.244.34)
I didn't see but I enjoyed the original. I absolutely HAD to see it. And that's saying a lot because when I was younger I loathed science fiction.
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I really, really liked it.... -- Delirium, 05:35:54 12/10/03 Wed (67.127.229.136)
First, I had so-so expectations for it. I read about how Edward James Olmos had told fans of the original (many of whom had spent much internet time gripe-ing about how this and that wasn't like the original) to watch the original if that is what they wanted because this would be totally different. It made me raise an eyebrow. Then I saw the previews for it and thought "hmmm, I'll have to give it a looksee".
I really enjoyed it. It had me on the edge of my seat which hasn't really happened at all which Enterprise which I've been watching to see what happens between Trip and T'pol since the show it otherwise mostly just okay.
I felt the sense of threat and urgency to their movements and decisions. I was on the concerned that they survive. I was drawn into hating Balthar especially when Boomer's collegue gave up his seat on the ship and thereby showing some of our best qualities to save this loathsome piece of rat turd who can't be bothered to feel even a twinge of concern that he was responsible for letting the cylons in through the back door to murder millions and millions of people!
I don't see any real reason why Starbuck has to be a man. I thought she totally rocked. =) I couldn't believe the stunt she pulled with Apollo's ship, but was totally "woooohoooo" along with her! I understand why the female cylon looks like a bombshell (her purpose is to seduce unwitting men after all) but appreciate that the rest of the women look real. I thought Mary McDonnell did a great job (and serves nicely as President). I liked the scene where she confessed her very human concerns about her cancer. Boomer was cool too.
I liked that the show doesn't whitewash humanity and shows its failings but still shows our hope and good aspects. I liked that it had a lot of emotion...between men! It's not something you see every day on tv, but they showed that Adama cared for his son, showed his XO try to give him some comfort when they believed him lost, and I liked the reconciliation between the two. Actually, I can extend the emotional quality to the whole show...I liked that the characters all had emotions and showed them, but that it was so well-played (and nicely underplayed) in many scenes.
At the end, I didn't really notice if the writing or dialogue was bad, because the actors sold me on it.
I'm rooting for these people to find their way home,
-Del
P.S. Can someone blast Baltar out an airlock for me please?
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I liked it for the most part. -- Grim ,_,_), 10:25:25 12/10/03 Wed (66.95.229.84)
I thought the parting shot of the human/cylons implicating their 'sleeper agent' was a real cheap shot that diminished my enjoyment of the show considerably.
I liked that Starbuck and the Colonel did not reconcile, and for the reasons given.
Obviously we will see ads for a new Galactica series by summer.
If you have nothing else to watch on Sunday I recommend watching the 4 hours all at once (which is a LOT more than I can say about most tv these days).
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I did too -- Pouncer, 11:42:24 12/10/03 Wed (156.80.140.64)
Although I agree with Grim that the last shot of the "sleeper agent" was unnecessary. I'd been hoping it was Boxey.
Rewatching the first part, I realized that I completely bought into the notion that these people's world had been destroyed. The emotional connection made the scenes of the refuges and the presidential swearing in very powerful. There was enough conflict to keep it very interesting, but I never felt like it was overplayed.
Baltar is so incredibly slimy, and I'm a proponent of the psychotic break theory to explain how Six kept talking to him.
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I looked at #6 as Galactica's version of Farscape's 'Harvey.' -- Grim ,_,_), 15:04:20 12/10/03 Wed (66.95.229.84)
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I was thinking the same thing... -- Delirium, 15:57:33 12/10/03 Wed (68.122.28.106)
because he doesn't really seem to know that much more from Six's information than what his mind could have picked up on its own. I briefly wondered if perhaps he had been replaced by an cylon because I wasn't sure he could survive the explosion near his house, but my brother thought they couldn't possibly replace him with someone soooo snively.
I wasn't too sure how I felt about the parting shot, though I do like Boomer quite a bit so I'm concerned.
Just to not be completely gushing over it, the one scene that did break the action for me was the scene between the President and the little girl. Don't know if it was the little girls acting or the obvious pause in the action, but as most of the other stuff had been nicely underplayed that scene felt rather forced. I think they could have cut out the coversation and just left the part where her aid says that little girl you spoke to is on a sub-light speed ship.
I was also surprised they cremated the remains of the one cylon sample they had. I don't really think that the blood could be that identical (human blood is excedingly complicated to reproduce hence all the difficulty we have had in coming up for a replacement for when people need transfusion), but still they would need the body to continue working on a way to detect them. For a second I wondered if they could come up with a retinal scan like "Blade Runner".
-Del
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I was disappointed by the lack of humor. -- Mo, 12:45:24 12/11/03 Thu (24.128.159.238)
Four straight hours of complete seriousness. Yeah, the Cylons just destroyed a whole bunch of colonies, killing untold amounts of people, but that's no reason to check your wit at the door, folks.
It wasn't bad though, in fact, it was pretty good for a 2-part miniseries, and I'm someone who has seen the original series, but mostly of that series I remember:
-Starbuck was a smartass.
-Boxey went on to be Atreyu in The Neverending Story.
-The Cylons looked like crosses between the Stormtroopers in Empire Strikes Back, and the evil programs in Tron.
-That robotic dog thing was hella weird looking.
Anyway, I think it's cool that Starbuck is a woman, but again I come to that sense of humor thing. I realize she's holding onto a lot of guilt about Apollo's brother, but she IS human (so far at least), and humans have senses of humor. A rebellious attitude will only get you so far as a character. I mean, hell, Riley punched out his superior officer too, and did that win him any points with most viewers?
I really did like the relationship between Apollo and the President. And also Apollo and Adama. In fact, Apollo was just cool.
So yeah. If they make this into a series (which I'm guessing they will), I hope they leaven their heavy drama with a few jokes here and there. I'm not asking for the show to be a comedy, but you'd be surprised how much one or two well-placed jokes will go a long way toward keeping viewers like me entertained, interested, and coming back for more.
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I suspect -- Pouncer, 13:49:33 12/11/03 Thu (156.80.140.85)
that they were trying to avoid some of the cheese of the original, so they went with a very serious approach to the story. Now that the "rag-tag fugitive fleet" is making its way through space, I would think that they'd have to incorporate more humor. The funny is a part of life, after all.
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