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Date Posted: 04:22:09 10/11/04 Mon
Author: Olaf Theis
Subject: Re: UBF Doctrine
In reply to: Tom F 's message, "UBF Doctrine" on 09:31:45 10/08/04 Fri

>3. Spiritual order. We all know the routine: sheep are
>obedient to their Shepherds, who are under their
>fellowship leaders, who are under their chapter
>directors, who are under the UBF director, or
>something like that. Now, I am not saying that there
>is nothing wrong with churhces or ministries having
>leaders that make decisions. Every church needs
>leadership. However, the relationship given here is
>one way, and is not bi-directional. It does not serve,
>but it is served. Anyone want to comment on this from
>UBF?

I� am now 20 years with UBF-Cologne. I think that what UBF calls "spiritual order" is one of the biggest problems UBF has, because power corrupts those who are "leaders". As long as there is a hierarchical structure UBF will not be able change, because the one who is leading is lording it over his brothers and sisters in Christ.

In UBF everything is about co working. But being part of the body of Christ means so much more than co working. In the company I work, I don�t have to love my coworkers. I� am not paid to love them. I have to work with them, if I like them or not. But in the body of Christ I have to love my brothers and sisters. As long as co working is everything to UBF, UBF will not be able to change.

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Replies:

one of the biggest problems -- Chris, 06:05:48 10/11/04 Mon
- Hey, Olaf! -- Bruce, 06:42:01 10/11/04 Mon
  - Re: Hey, Olaf! -- Olaf Theis, 06:01:11 10/12/04 Tue
    - Left and forgotten... -- Chris, 07:24:23 10/12/04 Tue
    - Re: Hey, Olaf! -- bruce, 13:33:12 10/12/04 Tue
- Re: one of the biggest problems -- Brian Karcher, 08:11:31 10/11/04 Mon
  - We or them? -- Mike K., 09:07:00 10/11/04 Mon
    - Re: We or them? -- Brian Karcher, 09:10:49 10/11/04 Mon
      - Shepherds -- Mike K., 11:01:49 10/11/04 Mon
    - Re: We or them? -- Brian Karcher, 09:16:40 10/11/04 Mon
      - the command "be shepherds" -- Chris, 01:54:32 10/12/04 Tue
  - ubf spies on younger members -- Nick T., 10:07:34 10/11/04 Mon
    - Re: -- Brian Karcher, 10:26:47 10/11/04 Mon
      - its not your 'either/or' -- Nick T., 10:35:46 10/11/04 Mon
    - Re: other reasons -- Chris, 11:00:15 10/11/04 Mon
  - Salvation Army -- Chris, 10:39:20 10/11/04 Mon
  - Re: one of the biggest problems -- Olaf Theis, 04:41:09 10/12/04 Tue
    - On soldiers and armies -- Chris, 06:23:16 10/12/04 Tue
      - Armies At Least Have Courts Martial -- former, 07:48:05 10/12/04 Tue