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Date Posted: 20:45:39 02/07/06 Tue
Author: tg
Subject: samething happened to us.
Read this on blabbermouth that one of the members of Disturbed shutdown their message board, because he didn't like the negative critisim being said about him.
How Ironic. I think CC was reading our forum lately.
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=48023
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Re: samething happened to us. -- Christian, 21:47:37 02/07/06 Tue [1]
Wouldn't surprise me. There was a fair bit said about Chris on our forum in recent times with regard to his voice, his lawsuit, Lilly & Susan, and just the usual "Audioslave is mediocre, I wish Chris was solo again" stuff. Also there was that supposed death threat which is not cool in anyone's language.
AS.com on the other hand (with moderators aplenty) seems largely to be a place where criticism is quickly tossed and even when it manages to stay around, there are 100 true believers like Clarefromscotland who are there to defend their hero's honour without question or rationale.
This is more plausible to me than "We're updating it to encompass Chris' entire career". Not that we'd ever know because Cornell never ever visited or paid credit to the CC.Com fans at all. Lucky for him his singing/songwriting was so brilliant it kept us all around regardless.
C.
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Re: samething happened to us. -- a light, 04:07:19 02/08/06 Wed [1]
That story was interesting.
At least Draiman gave an explanation, as lame as it was.
oh sorry... the Cornell 'people' were kind enough to eventually pass along that "security-issues" catchphrase to us. And we should be grateful for that.
I don't think the forum had been worse than in other recent times, lately. I actually remember more negative threads and posts in the past.
But as everyone likes to say, Chris has changed. Maybe he'd like his fan base to change along with him, to better reflect his current music and publicly promoted image.
Maybe he'll get exactly what he wishes for and deserves.
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Re: samething happened to us. -- lump, 08:49:31 02/08/06 Wed [1]
That's silly about the Disturbed sight.
But I'm doubting the cc forum - it doesn't take what, 4 or 5 weeks now? - to set up a website and NOTHING else has changed but all functions.
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Re: samething happened to us. -- 23, 09:59:02 02/08/06 Wed [1]
Hate to sound like a nut, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened with us, too.
None of the expressed reasons ring true to me, and there is no reason to take down the forum until the new one was complete if there wasn't a content issue with the old one.
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Re: samething happened to us. -- tg, 10:16:29 02/08/06 Wed [1]
Some of the same topics that sparked negativity about Chris's music or his personal were discussed at other places like somms and audioslaved and they weren't shut down because they are private sites.
I also think there was some complaints about the forum (from people who didn't like what was being said) to CC's management or fullerene and so I think that's how he may have started popping in and being notified of anything.
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Re: samething happened to us. -- lump, 10:19:19 02/08/06 Wed [1]
Who made the death threat? I must not have seen it.
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Re: samething happened to us. -- tg, 10:25:31 02/08/06 Wed [1]
Some wacko named Avenged Death or something. I saw it and it was awful, he threatened CC's kids including an 5 day old baby. Anyway it was the persons first post and it was shutdown that sameday. When the forum cameback it had been removed from the thread.
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Re: samething happened to us. -- wolfgangshine, 13:13:21 02/08/06 Wed [1]
I am just as upset as anyone about the cc forum being shut down. I do not blame Chris for not talking to any of us though. I mean, despite the death threat. Have you ever noticed how often people get the wrong idea when you just speak to them or acknowledge their presence? Perhaps he just did not want to mislead any of us. In a world where privacy is so obscure, possibly he chose to not reveal himself because it was one of the only places he could get honesty and anonymynity. I don't know, just a hypothesis, except there is no education in that guess. :)
Hopefully they will replace the old site with something more vibrant, but if they don't we do have the option to go to Audioslaves site or here, among others. I think I may have done the same thing as the site did, by shutting down, if my kids and my life and security were threatened. Possibly just another example of how one can spoil it for all.
jmho
Jenna
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Re: samething happened to us. -- chrys, 14:47:54 02/08/06 Wed [1]
i also thought the security reasons explanation was lacking in substance. not only does there not seem to be a new forum being made, but also dos anyone else notice that the rest of the site is there totally intact? it seemed from our "explanation" that the whole site was being revamped. i assumed if they wanted to update it to include all of CC's career, that would include the biography section, the news, the images, the audio. well all of that shit is there just as it always was. so i buy the whole thing even less. plus as twan pointed out, they don't n eed to take down the old one to be building a new one.
so, the mystery lives on. maybe they didn't like the anti cc comments. maybe some of the strong defenders complained to fullerene. maybe cc saw it and complained to fullerene. we may n ever know.
has anyone here written to fullerene? i wonder what would happen if we did, and pointed out soome of this and asked for answers. i hate uncertainty.
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Re: samething happened to us. -- 23, 16:16:41 02/08/06 Wed [1]
wolfie - I wouldn't talk to us either, if I were Chris. Unlike many people at cc.com, I never took it personally that he didn't pop in and say hi. I actually respected him more for that, to be honest.
But I really do wonder if he or someone who knew him had a problem with the constant negativity around there lately. I don't know, I just felt like the place became less about praising him and his work and more about bitching about him and his work.
There almost seemed to be a contest, of sorts, to see who could be the most insulting when it came to AS sometimes. Like some people took it personally that he wasn't creating what they wanted him to.
I just listen to other stuff. I hope he comes back to darker, more experimental music some day with different musicians (as much as I loved RATM, they are too one-dimensional for Chris), but I have plenty of other stuff to fill my ears until then.
I don't know the point I'm trying to make here. I just wish things could have gone a little differently at the end. I don't ever want to impede on people's ability to express their opinions about anything, but I don't think anyone exists in a vaccuum, either.
What's done is done, though. I don't think there's any real point in pursuing the matter further (with Fullerene or Bill or anyone else), as they seem to have said as much as they want to say. So, now we just wait and hope that the new version isn't a big steaming pile of crap.
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Re: samething happened to us. -- tg, 16:33:13 02/08/06 Wed [1]
Truthfully, I never thought CC was a computer person and checked in on the forum, never. I have heard him say so himself, but I do think he was more aware of what a forums purpose is, it's to get fan feedback. So I guess he was also way past EM to keep it running and yeah, people always expressed a large amount of negativity about AS and they blamed him for not being a fan anymore, because we were at his name site. I'm sure RAGE sights get the same kind of thing. I also think an artist should listen to what the fans have to say whether it's good or bad. I'm sure he was more upset with what was being said about his family. I don't like things that is always one sided, that's not very good for discussion. I think alot of the things that were said went too far and some people didn't know when to end arguments and it started to get personal. It also octrasized others from joining in on the topic and expressing their opinions. I do feel a little guilty and sad that it did end with such a bad outlook on Chris and I do still love the guy and I am a fan.
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AS forum and us. -- alt, 19:30:42 02/18/06 Sat [1]
It's me, a light. I got jealous of people who altered/shortened their names, so I'm jumpin' on that bandwagon. Think of all the typing I'll save myslf! :P
anyway...
On 2/17 Willywalter posted this in the Promotional Ideas category
This forum [PI]
and the questions forum will more than likely being going away. Forum consolidation has been the plan for awhile to limit the confusion across the board.
I needed the off-topic forum in place first before moving to proceed with moving posts from questions and this forum into other forums.
With these two forums gone, the categories would look like the following:
Audioslave
Equipment
Other Music
Politics
Off-Topic
Give me your feedback on that. While this forum is useful for gathering information and feedback, the mods and I can really use any forum for it. You all should feel free to PM me or the mods as well with idea's or suggestions at any time.
I cannot guarantee the ideas will be implemented but I can guarantee others will be made aware of what this terrific fan-base is saying!
-Bill
So, the Promotional Ideas category there will be merged into their other forums. The Questions category will also be phased out... who knows when or how. Seems Bill is going in the less-categorization direction we all seemed to agree upon in our main thread in the Questions category. Needless to say it would have been nice if he visited there too.
In any case, our cc.com-oriented threads will start being part of a general off-topic place. A good way of becoming even more lost in the shuffle.
I had an idea that would seem paradoxical to our anti-category stance, but which makes sense to the specific situation at hand. That would be to have a special Chris Cornell section as part of the AS forum, for those of us who A: would like to continue discussions with other members of our MIA forum (like here, but more 'official'); and/or B: Those who are interested in discussing Chris but do not perceive themselves as Audioslave fans per se.
I think that would be a decent good-will, good-faith gesture to Chris fans, official or otherwise, who suddenly, without warning or real explanation got cut off from their regular gathering place. A lot better than an invitation to pull up a lawn-chair in a tent where people have the habit of asking "If you don't like Audioslave why do you come here??"
What do you think? Too contradictory to our general free-for-all stance? Not our place to ask 'favors'? Or feeling it's legitimate to let our voices be heard and our discussions be had in the 'official' forum closest to our common interest?
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Re: samething happened to us. -- tg, 19:52:30 02/18/06 Sat [1]
"I had an idea that would seem paradoxical to our anti-category stance, but which makes sense to the specific situation at hand. That would be to have a special Chris Cornell section as part of the AS forum, for those of us who A: would like to continue discussions with other members of our MIA forum (like here, but more 'official'); and/or B: Those who are interested in discussing Chris but do not perceive themselves as Audioslave fans per se."
~~~ That would be nice for us YES, but I think that would be a problem because that forum is run by AS and their people. I think it would be fair to add that section though considering we have been waiting forever for our new place. The only way it may work is if they added a Rage section also.
I think our non-category stance has rubbed off a little. All those categories are so ridiculous, it only makes sense to streamline. Questions are off topic anyway.
p.s "alt" you freaked me out with that. lol
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Re: samething happened to us. -- chico781, 01:46:16 02/19/06 Sun [1]
Well, I know that if I knew that there was a death threat made on my life and most importantly, my family's life, I would shut that shit down as well. I agree that it's shady that they told us they were updating the site for us because I frankly don't believe it. I mean, I hope it does. I think it would be cool to have a Chris Cornell site that encompasses his entire music career. We'll see if it happens, though. Maybe we should start another thread on the AS site to see what the hell's going on.
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Re: samething happened to us. -- lite, 12:43:10 02/19/06 Sun [1]
[yeah. me again]
Christian started one like that in the main index recently. It was moved to the Questions section where it was dutifully ignored. But yeah, a new thread could still be a good idea.
I don't buy the death threat thing as a reason to shut the forum down. When it did happen, the forum was shut down for maybe a day (so they could investigate, I assume) and then it went back up. That was a few weeks, I think, before this current black-out.
Anyone at anytime could make threats on any forum. That specific one could have just as easily been made over at the AS site. You don't get rid of an active long-time forum because some nut leaves a psycho post there. I would think that few forums would be around if that was the case.
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Re: samething happened to us. -- lakemnitz, 12:55:03 02/19/06 Sun [1]
Well this really sucks....I hate being mislead that they are rebuilding another site to encompass Chris's entire career.
I have to say that Chris got just as much criticism on the AS site as CC.com. There were all kinds of posts about bring Zach back because Chris sucked, how his voice was terrible and he should just give it up, the lyrics were less meaningful than they have been in the past...all the shit that goes along with being a celebrity. Is Chris really that thin-skinned? No I don't think so..... but the death threat was certainly a very sick thing to do.
Why can't they just say what the hell is going on? I really miss the board....I think it would be a good idea to write fullerene or even Chris's management to find out what is going on and how impacted so many people.
The only thing that seems to make sense of the whole thing is that maybe Chris does just want to move on....you know when Soundgarden broke up the story was that they were just done and couldn't achieve anything else together professionally...which was bull because it really was because they couldn't stand working together anymore.
It is a very "Chris" like thing to do to leave people hanging.....
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Re: samething happened to us. -- taurusgrl, 17:53:04 02/19/06 Sun [1]
I have no idea how we can get in contact with CC's management, but that is the only idea I will go for. I think we will just get ignored at the ASforum.
Actually we should start a petition to get the forum back at the AS site. With the reasons why they should put it back up. Since someone was watching us maybe then someone from CC management will see it.
What do you all think??
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Re: samething happened to us. -- 23, 22:43:46 02/19/06 Sun [1]
I think we should just leave it alone. They're allowed to do with their forum what they wish. There have been a few of us who clearly stated our hopes/wishes over on the AS site, I don't think we need to say it again.
I'm pretty sure they've solidified their plans at this point, and it sounds like they've decided to instate a few of the things whose absence made the old site so cool (moderators, categories).
And anyway, I'm beginning to get a little comfortable here. If they do manage to ass it all up, we'll still have Bluey (no, I'm not going to start calling it that. probably). Thanks again, a light.
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Re: samething happened to us. -- tg, 09:26:35 02/20/06 Mon [1]
Yeah I like Bluey and I also don't want us all to look like whiney babies who got our forum taken away from us, always crying about it at the ASforum. Those people can be mean and I don't want them making fun of us. lol
Dammit though, I mean what would it do for CC to just kept the place running.
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