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Date Posted: 15:50:47 04/15/08 Tue
Author: Joan
Author Host/IP: ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net / 68.0.253.131
Subject:

Scary pope. :)
In reply to: Catie 's message, "Interesting: Joan, I know you won't agree with this post. Remove it if you must. It's my opinion." on 10:46:51 04/15/08 Tue

Catie, I hear a lot of fear in your voice when you talk about Catholicism in general, but when you talk about "the Vatican" in particular.

I wonder why, because there hasn't been a president yet that has listened to a pope. If they had, this country would be a much better place. ;)

But seriously, what chace do you really think the pope has of changing a law in the US. And why would he come to talk to Bush about changing laws, only months before the end of his term? Makes no sense whatsoever.

I imagine that the pope and the president will talk about human rights issues, war, and moral issues in general. I think that is the same for any religious leader who visits with the president. I don't imagine that a Protestant leader would go to the White House to talk baseball. ;)

"Would Billy Graham, as a spiritual leader, attempt to sway the Vatican to adopt Baptist rules?"

I wouldn't think so. Well, actually, he might try. Snowball's chance in Hell... ;)

The analogy doesn't work. Vatican city is a Catholic state. The US isn't Protestant state. The pope can voice his views on US law without saying that the Protestants have to change their religion. The US has no state religion. The president happens to be Protestant, but that doens't make Protestantism the state religion.

I don't know the root of the blue laws in the whole country, but in New England it was illegal to do business on Sunday. That was from the very beginning (1620), long before the Catholic Church opened its doors here.

One day of rest a year sounds good to me, whatever religion is promoting it. :)

I wouldn't delete your post. It's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. :)

Joan

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[> [> [> I'll tell you who's scary these days.....Jimmy Carter!! ................. -- Barb, 16:19:08 04/15/08 Tue [1] (clgrtnt5-port-127.dial.telus.net/161.184.48.127)

The former President has turned into a loose cannon and a frightening anti-semite! For one who once tried to heal, he is tearing nations apart! What the H... has happened to the man is anyone's guess! :-#

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[> [> [> [> Re: I'll tell you who's scary these days.....Jimmy Carter!! ................. -- Joan, 16:39:28 04/15/08 Tue [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)

Bob said that same thing yesterday! He didn't go into specifics, and I haven't seen or heard a thing of him.

What is he up to?

Joan

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[> [> [> [> I agree, Jimmy Carter has gone too far. He speaks as a mad man! -- Catie, 18:07:54 04/15/08 Tue [1] (h211.26.40.69.ip.alltel.net/69.40.26.211)

Here are a few examples I've read:

For one thing, he claims that in 1967 Israel launched a preemptive attack against Jordan. The fact is that Jordan attacked Israel first, Israel tried desperately to persuade Jordan to remain out of the war, and Israel counterattacked after the Jordanian army surrounded Jerusalem, firing missiles into the center of the city. Only then did Israel capture the West Bank, which it was willing to return in exchange for peace and recognition from Jordan.

Mr. Carter repeatedly mentions Security Council Resolution 242, which called for return of captured territories in exchange for peace, recognition, and secure boundaries, but he ignores that Israel accepted and all the Arab nations and the Palestinians rejected this resolution. The Arabs met in Khartum and issued their three famous "no's": "No peace, no recognition, no negotiation." But you wouldn't know that from reading the history according to Mr. Carter.

Mr. Carter faults Israel for its "air strike that destroyed an Iraqi nuclear reactor" without mentioning that Iraq had threatened to attack Israel with nuclear weapons if Iraq succeeded in building a bomb.

Mr. Carter faults Israel for its administration of Christian and Muslim religious sites, when in fact Israel is scrupulous about ensuring those of every religion the right to worship as they please � consistent, of course, with security needs. He fails to mention that between 1948 and 1967, when Jordan occupied the West Bank and East Jerusalem, the Hashemites destroyed and desecrated Jewish religious sites and prevented Jews from praying at the Western Wall. He also never mentions Egypt's brutal occupation of Gaza between 1949 and 1967.

Mr. Carter blames Israel, and exonerates Arafat!!

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[> [> [> [> [> Thank you for such an intelligent and informed post, Catie............. -- Barb, 08:48:56 04/16/08 Wed [1] (clgrtnt2-port-126.dial.telus.net/161.184.42.126)

Jimmy Carter wrote a book and re-wrote history, blaming Israel for virtually everything that is wrong in the Middle East. He is distorting every fact...and now he wants to rub shoulders with Hamas leaders too. Like I said, a loose cannon and a dangerous man!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Thank you for such an intelligent and informed post, Catie............. -- Joan, 10:24:42 04/16/08 Wed [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)

Well, now that everyone is bashing the guy, I can safely admit that I *never* liked him as a president. He was lousy!

OK, I've said it. I feel better. :)

Joan

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Joan I didn't even vote for him. And he's a Georgian. -- Catie, 12:19:52 04/16/08 Wed [1] (h211.26.40.69.ip.alltel.net/69.40.26.211)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> His accent drives me crazy. His is SOUTHERN GA accent. -- Catie, 12:21:50 04/16/08 Wed [1] (h211.26.40.69.ip.alltel.net/69.40.26.211)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> We used to think his brother Billy was half crazy, but......... -- Barb, 16:13:36 04/16/08 Wed [1] (clgrtnt7-port-94.dial.telus.net/161.184.52.94)

maybe we had the wrong brother!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I remember Billy Beer! -- Neysa, 17:25:09 04/16/08 Wed [1] (user-2inik0u.dialup.mindspring.com/165.121.80.30)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> My parent's voted for him! -- Neysa, 17:28:08 04/16/08 Wed [1] (user-2inik0u.dialup.mindspring.com/165.121.80.30)

When Jimmy and Rosalynn talk you can't understand a word they say....my mom used to say why don't they open their mouth when they speak.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> There's is a very typical Southern Georgia accent. When I was in -- Catie, 18:07:53 04/16/08 Wed [1] (h211.26.40.69.ip.alltel.net/69.40.26.211)

his hometown, EVERYONE spoke like them. And I wondered why to folks in the movies portray such bad accents. Then I realized they are imitating the South part of Georgia -accents I had not be exposed to before my late teens. Northern and some of the East coast Georgians have their own accent too. Kind of like North Carolina vs, Outter Banks and Virginia vs W.VA. To me here in north GA our accent is not as "thick" as Southern GA, or maybe it it, but it's specific words which are pronounced differently. When I visited PA I was in the PA Dutch area. I literally did not understand a word the lady at the store said to me. But my nephews hail from PA and a former roommate so I knew it was just that area that sounded that way.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> "Their's...not There's" I grow worse day by day. Grrrr. -- catie, 18:10:52 04/16/08 Wed [1] (h211.26.40.69.ip.alltel.net/69.40.26.211)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: "Their's...not There's" I grow worse day by day. Grrrr. -- Joan, 10:24:59 04/17/08 Thu [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)

It's not just you Catie. I'm getting really bad.

I find myself saying things like, "There's 6 left." Yikes! I would never say "There is 6 left." But I shorted it and it never comes out "There're", which is also horrible. But at least if I stretched it out, it would be right. It sounds so horrible--It even grates on *me*. And yet I hear myself doing it all the time now. I know that it's just being lazy/sloppy, but I can't seem to stop it. It pops out, and I'm appalled. I guess the only way to stop it is to correct myself and then say it right every time.

I knew my eyesight and hearing would go. But English, too?!

Joan

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> ME a poor English student?!! Unpossible!! -- Catie, 15:56:59 04/17/08 Thu [1] (h211.26.40.69.ip.alltel.net/69.40.26.211)

I scare myself more each day. I am not kidding. Once upon a time....oh well we won't go there. I should have guessed my good grammar would have left me just like the size 8 I once took for granted. Life! ppfftt!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> "Englosh!" lol I would be scared to re-enter 8th grade! I'd never get out! :-( -- Barb, 08:03:10 04/18/08 Fri [1] (clgrtnt9-port-113.dial.telus.net/161.184.54.113)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Catie......... -- Neysa, 23:05:51 04/16/08 Wed [1] (user-38lci5g.dialup.mindspring.com/209.86.72.176)

I remember you saying that your nephews come from my home town....we do not have a PA Dutch accent. We have a coal region accent, thank goodness I do not have it. My mom made sure if it. Now a lot of farmers in the area have the PA Dutch accent. It is mostly people who live around Lancaster, York, Camp Hill, they have the PA Dutch accent...none of them are farmers. ( By the way the Pennsylvania Dutch are of German ancestry... years ago when asked they said they came from Duetchland ...not sure of the German spelling for Germany ...people thought they said they were Dutch).

My mom and I met a couple from Southern Georgia. The woman said that she and her husband lived near the border of Florida. She said they lived there all their lives. The woman's accent was so soft and she pronounced every word clearly. I said to her that I hope she wouldn't be offended, you could hardly tell she had a southern accent. She said she was a retired high school English teacher.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Forgot to mention Catie,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, -- Neysa, 23:25:45 04/16/08 Wed [1] (user-38lci5g.dialup.mindspring.com/209.86.72.176)

I love southern accents. Except for the deep hard southern accent like the Carter's.

It is so amazing how we all live in the same country USA, yet we all have different accents. Even within our own states.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Neysa....remember England! lol -- Barb, 12:43:03 04/17/08 Thu [1] (clgrtnt9-port-33.dial.telus.net/161.184.54.33)

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