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Date Posted: 10:29:31 08/12/07 Sun
Author: Barb
Author Host/IP: clgrtnt3-port-187.dial.telus.net / 161.184.44.187
Subject: I think............
In reply to:
Joan
's message, "I agree with Barb" on 04:00:23 08/12/07 Sun
that when we step outside of our own church/temple and go to a service or 3 in another, then we begin to realize and appreciate the fullness of faith in others too. If one does not get the feeling of God's presence in other churches/temples
it is only because one has not allowed him/herself to experience what it is like for others where and how they pray. I have been to Catholic masses, other churches and synagogues, and I have learned that each has it's own truth I honour and appreciate that in all of them. One must not be closed minded...ever! If we do that, have alternate experiences, and we are still absolute in our own faith, then God's will be done! If our truth is in our own church/temple...then you have made the right choice for ourselves. :-)
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Barb.................... -- Neysa, 10:53:01 08/12/07 Sun [1] (user-2inik89.dialup.mindspring.com/165.121.81.9)
when I stated that I didn't feel God's presence in the Protestant Churches that I was in. I didn't mean that there was a coldness there. Infact, they were warm ,lovely services.
I meant in the "Catholic" way of the presence of God. In a Catholic Church there is a consecrated host in the tabernacle in every Catholic Church. There is a lit red votive candle, which means that the real presence of God,is there, I really feel God's presence when I walk into a Catholic Church.
The feeling one gets in the transubstantiaton during the Mass, is so powerful, and beautiful.
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I did realize what you meant, Neysa.............. -- Barb, 12:18:28 08/12/07 Sun [1] (clgrtnt4-port-28.dial.telus.net/161.184.46.28)
and I appreciate that, and I believe totally in what you were saying. I was just adding another dimension to it. Putting a different spin on it sort of thing. In Synagogues there is the "Torah" and it is kept in a Holy place and taken out for services, which is powerful and beautiful too. :-)
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Barb, I was in a synagogue once...... -- Neysa, 13:40:19 08/12/07 Sun [1] (user-2inik0v.dialup.mindspring.com/165.121.80.31)
when I was 8 years old, but not for a service. Every Saturday morning I went for ballet lessons at the Trinity Lutheran Church in my hometown. The synagogue was a few doors down from the Lutheran Church. As we were walking past the synagogue we noticed that the doors were open. So, my mom and I walked in. Inside, was a gentleman that was a regular customer at my families restaurant. He was very kind, and gave my mom and I a tour.
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Neysa............ -- Barb, 08:16:45 08/13/07 Mon [1] (clgrtnt6-port-3.dial.telus.net/161.184.50.3)
Did you find your "tour" of the Synagogue a little awesome, in a wondering way? When I enter a Church I get such a feeling. It is bigger than I and unknown to me. You must know what I mean.
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Yes Barb, I did !!! -- Neysa, 22:14:09 08/14/07 Tue [1] (user-38lcibm.dialup.mindspring.com/209.86.73.118)
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Re: I think............ -- Joan, 15:39:37 08/12/07 Sun [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)
To echo what Neysa said, we were talking about the Eucharist. If you don't believe in it, you probably wouldn't feel anything "special" at a Catholic Mass. But if you do believe it, no other communion service compares.
It's not that we think other services have nothing going for them, it's that we beleive in the Eucharist as the real body and blood of Christ. When we go to another Christian church, we enjoy the readings and the sermon, but there is always that missing thing, the Eucharist.
The Eucharist, unlike in other Christian services, is the center of the Mass. Acutally it is the Mass. :-)
I think others don't always realize how important the Eucharist is. In other denominaitons, communion is a symbol. To Catholics, the Eucharist is in reality the body and blood of Christ. When the priest says "The body of Christ", he means it. When we say "Amen" in response, we mean it. :-)
The Eucharist isn't just another way of having a symbolic communion, so when we say that we don't feel God's presence, that's what we're talking about.
It's really not a bad thing to say, because no other Christian denomination claims that their communion is the actual body and blood of Christ. I'm not denying that they have the real presence in their communion, while they claim they do. They say they don't, and they claim that the Catholic Church also doesn't either. So it's really not a bad thing for a Catholic to say that they miss the feeling of God in the Eucharist when they visit other churches. It's the truth--even according to the other denominations. Of course, like I said, they don't think the Eucharist is the real body and blood either, so they probably think we're just nuts. :-)
Joan
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