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Date Posted: 05:08:52 07/05/07 Thu
Author: Joan
Author Host/IP: ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net / 68.0.253.131
Subject: Anti-Catholic sentiment on Brenda's forum.
What do you think of the recent anti-Catholic posts on Brenda's. Do you think that Brenda would have removed them if they had been anti-Jewish or racist comments? Do you think they should be removed?
Priests drunk on the altar after the Communion Rite. Please. How dumb can you get. But they feel free to post that crap, and Brenda doesn't see a thing wrong with it.
Well, it gives the rest of us who actually know something about Catholicism to publicly refute the anti-Catholic nonsense that so many on the Waltons boards love to post whenever they see an opportunity.
Do you think they really believe the stuff they post? Or do you think they're playing games?
Joan
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Too quick to judge -- Joan, 05:23:32 07/05/07 Thu [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)
I think I'm too quick to judge on Brenda's forum. I haven't emailed her about the offensive posts, and she probably doesn't read every post.
So, if I don't bring it to her attention, I have no right to assume that she thinks the posts are OK.
It could be that she finds them as offensive as I do. It could be that she thinks the same thing that others do about the Irish and Catholics, so doesn't understand that they are highly offensive.
At any rate, I haven't brought them to her attention, so I have no right to complain that they haven't been removed.
Joan
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Re: I'll take a shot at this one... -- Phil from AZ, 16:07:18 07/07/07 Sat [1] (71-223-21-236.phnx.qwest.net/71.223.21.236)
I think you were wise for not calling for Brenda to delete those posts, Joan. While some folks are offended by such posts, others may not be. One of the reasons I prefer Brenda's over some others is that she's 1 of the few who pays attn to the concept of free speech. Other forum moderators delete things that offend them, make them uncomfortable or offer mild criticism of how they run the forum. They also play favorites: deleting the contributions of 1 poster while allowing the posts of others to stand. In the end, these forums are difficult to take seriously.
However, its also difficult to take some of the posters on the Waltons seriously. Some of these folks obviously live very sheltered lives and watch far too much TV. As a result, they have trouble distinguishing fact from fiction, an expert from celeb rambling, 'opinion' from intelligent observation and analysis.
They also make foolish claims out of nothing. For example, in all my tvls, I have never seen a priest drunk at a wedding. I have also heard those scurilous charges since childhood that priests drink after communion. How many of these claims can be substantiated? One here, maybe 1 there? To taint the entire priesthood for the occasional bad apple is scandalous. Again, I have met many priests during my lifetime. The vast maj'ty are decent people who endure some hardship to do God's Work. Those who no longer feel they can serve God and the Church often leave the profession. Only a man of conscience would do such a thing.
Finally, I'm not always sure if folks are serious when they post. Personally, I enjoy getting under the skin of the high and mighty, who believe they are annointed gurus of the Waltons version of the Oracle of Delphi...and thus claim they know what's best for all Waltons fans. I do draw the line at serious topics though, and try to be accurate on all of my posts.
To re-iterate, I'm glad that you didn't ask Brenda to delete those post. In fact, you handled it very well by confronting their nonsensical claims.
Thx for allowing me to express my controversial views. Take care, God Bless,
Phil from arid AZ
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You're right. -- Joan, 11:55:53 07/08/07 Sun [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)
Though I think the anti-Catholic stance is alive and well a Brenda's, and that most people there think the Catholic Church is a legitimate target, I don't want people to feel like they have to be careful of everything they say when they post there. Where's the fun in that?
If a little of the anti-Catholic sentiment that is there all the time leaks through some of the time, I'll treat it as an opportunity to teach the truth to combat the lies.
Joan
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Re: I think that's a healthy attitude Joan! -- Phil from AZ, 14:58:41 07/08/07 Sun [1] (71-223-21-236.phnx.qwest.net/71.223.21.236)
Some yrs ago, I was stationed in Va in the USAF. I was outnumbered by non-Christians 4-1 in my office. They teased me a lot but that didn't bother me much. Sometimes they were mean to me, though.
I discovered that 1 of my co-workers was curious though. I convinced him to come to 1 of my Christian group mtgs (the Navigators). He became a regular member, and enjoyed it. One day, him and I turned the tables and tag-teamed my boss after he started a tirade against Christians. (Which could've gotten him in trouble with our superiors if we reported him.) He stormed out of the room, mumbling to himself. When he came back, he shouted,
"NO MORE RELIGIOUS TALK!! You hear that?"
When we stated that would be fine with us, he stormed out of the room again. (He'd expected us to argue with him.) Nobody in our office ever gave us a hard time again. In fact, the few times we did speak of it, my boss, as well as the others, spoke calmly and with respect for our beliefs. It was a relief.
My point: if we can handle the heat, educate and encourage a few others to join us, we will earn the respect that others get by default.
Again, I think you're right on about teaching others about your faith. In the end, that may change their thinking...and they may shed their prejudices. It doesn't always work, but its worth a try. Take care, God Bless,
Phil from AZ
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Re: Anti-Catholic sentiment on Brenda's forum. -- Neysa, 16:10:32 07/20/07 Fri [1] (user-2inik51.dialup.mindspring.com/165.121.80.161)
Do you think that Brenda might be prejudice against Catholics, since she allowed the anti-Catholic remarks to remain and didn't delete them?
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Re: Anti-Catholic sentiment on Brenda's forum. -- Joan, 03:54:37 07/21/07 Sat [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)
"Do you think that Brenda might be prejudice against Catholics, since she allowed the anti-Catholic remarks to remain and didn't delete them?"
I don't have any idea how Brenda feels about Catholicism. She also let the nonsense posts about Earl Hamner's Italian roots stand, so letting the anti-Catholic posts stand doesn't mean that she is anti-Catholic.
Joan
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Re: Anti-Catholic sentiment on Brenda's forum. -- Neysa, 11:20:31 07/21/07 Sat [1] (user-2inik43.dialup.mindspring.com/165.121.80.131)
I found your Catholic Friend's Forum, on Brenda's Walton's Forum. She did allow you to post about a Catholic Forum. When I saw the nonsense posted about Earl Hamner's Italian roots, I thought it should have been deleted because it was just that utter nonsense. I didn't think it was anti-Catholic of Brenda to let it stand, because not all Italians in Italy are Catholic. There are Italians in Italy who are Protestants. We think of all Italians as Catholics because the majority of the people are Catholic in Italy, and the Vatican is there. Hamner's Italian ancestors could have been Protestant while they were still in Italy. However if they were Catholic they most likely became Protestant while living in the hills of VA, due to the fact that there wasn't any Catholic Church near where they lived.
My opinion about Brenda, is of a personal nature. I had never been on a forum before. I didn't want to use my real name ( yes, Neysa, is my real name). I posted using one name then changed and made posts using another name. Then I posted something that was the truth, but I was called a liar. It offended a cast member. Brenda,blocked my IP address so I cannot post anymore on her forum. Then, I saw these crazy posts about Hamner's Italian roots. That person is still able to post.
I sent two emails asking Brenda to allow me to post on her forum again. She never responded. As a Catholic, I wasn't brought up reading the Bible. I mentioned to her that as a Catholic I cannot quote the passages from the Bible, but I know it says in there about forgiving and giving people another chance!!!
Joan, if you don't want me to post anymore on your forum. Just let me know and I will not make anymore posts here.
Neysa
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Re: Anti-Catholic sentiment on Brenda's forum. -- Joan, 11:26:14 07/21/07 Sat [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)
Hi Neysa,
Your post here was an honest post that took a great deal of courage to write and publish.
No, you won't be banned from posting here. Maybe time will heal the wounds on Brenda's and you can post there again someday.
Joan
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Joan, Thank you........................ -- Neysa, 12:08:15 07/21/07 Sat [1] (user-2inik43.dialup.mindspring.com/165.121.80.131)
I appreciate you allowing me to continue posting here. I just want you to know that what I posted on Brenda's Forum was not something inflammatory for all to read. Infact, the cast member in question does not go on Brenda's Forum. It was sent in a private e-mail, to a person who sent it on the the cast member. Infact, it wasn't even a remark about the cast member.
Thanks again from the bottom of my heart, I really enjoy this forum as I stated in my post the other day.
Neysa
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