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] Date Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 23:42:00 I was in full agreement of the results until the Top 5. It's like the Top 5 was flipped with the bottom 5 for the end. After talent, if there was a 3rd person to eliminate, it would have been Mississippi. It was awful. That was not dancing. I don't know what that was. I really hope the National Board reevaluates the scoring criteria and what they are looking for. They went backwards with picking a winner from Alexa to Hannah. They went from someone who needed scholarship money and was competing for the right reasons to someone who isn't in need of scholarship money. It should have be Indiana and Kentucky for the final 2. What a disappointment. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
| [> Subject: I am surprised by the top 5 and winner too but since when is financial need a criteria for winning or even placing. It costs a lot in wardrobe, etc to even get on that stage so need is not a factor. If they needed it so badly they wouldn’t be buying or borrowing gowns. Even though Alexa’s mom made hers I’m sure it cost at least a grand in fabric | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 00:04:02 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I agree with most of this. Personally, I had Georgia, Indiana and Kentucky as the Top 3. I KNOW Georgia is a stellar interview. Her Miss America interview is still posted on Pageants Live and it is incredible. With the exception of Missouri, the Top 5's talents were mediocre at best. And in the final question, they didn't come off as great speakers either. But they were the "lookers". Frankly, the judging panel didn't seem all that qualified or sophisticated to me. It was all very strange. | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 00:04:12 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: I agree. Georgia, Indiana and Kentucky were no brainers for Top 5. They were the Top 3. 4 and 5 could have been any of the others, however, Mississippi, South Dakota and North Carolina were very very pretty. | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 00:19:47 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Totally agree! The top 5 were head scratchers. This is a weak top 5 talent and hard to explain. And don’t tell me it was interview etc. There were girls left out that had superior talents AND had the rest of the package too! Someone needs to explain this as it makes no sense. | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 01:02:51 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: MO and SD were definitely NOT head scratchers - they were strong all week. MS had everything but talent. I know you GA people were hyping your girl all week, but outside of talent, I just didn’t feel her. There was a smugness about her that didn’t scream “confident”, it screamed, AFFECTED. IN looked like a toddler in a tiara. Outside of Alison DeMarcus, I don’t know any grown woman with hair like that. I was good with the top 5, but once they called MS,I knew she had won. Talents like that don’t make the top 5 unless the judges have already decided. | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 09:22:15 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: I kinda thought MO was gonna win the whole thing given that top 5. I did enjoy SD’s monologue, but all things being equal, MO’s talent was a 9/10 and there wasn’t anyone else in that T5 higher than a 6. But, I also agree that once MS was in the 5, she would win. The judges had made their minds up. They were all about the same in OSQ, no one crushed it. | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 10:03:46 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Maybe Sherri Hill was mixing all the judges drinks in her hospitality suite lol | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 01:36:13 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Who are you to judge Hannah's financial situation? Did you ask her personally if she needs the scholarship money? And when did financial need become one of the scored phases? I only remember seeing interview, fitness, evening gown; and talent. | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 08:42:00 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Everyone has always stated you win a pageant in an interview! I have heard this in almost every system. To know Hannah is to love her. She has something special and that is why so many people have been waiting for her to win a state and national level pageant. She won that title with her beauty,kindness and her life story. I am finally happy to see a system where scoring is the same across the board. | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 09:03:27 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I thought the judges were spot on UP TO THE TOP 5? What the heck? GA, IN, and KY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE 5. Could their interviews, gowns and swimsuits been off that much point wise from those that were in the 5. At least one or two of them SHOULD have been in there. This is VERY dissappointing. | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 10:25:16 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Not that I want to see the same recycled judges for the past 30 years at MAO but these weren't really pageant judges. They were more in the business sector. Do you think that made a difference? | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 13:02:05 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Sorry hit send to soon-except for Taryn Foshee. She was a great Miss MS and I am sure she knows what she is looking for. | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 13:03:52 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: What is MVA? Click in | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 10:31:22 MVA has to start picking by what they brand. MVA was begun to bring the overall smart, beautiful and accomplished woman back to pageantry that Miss America abandoned. MUO is already a successful brand and Miss America is bringing fitness back and getting back in the game. Where will this leave MVA? The top five this year showed no regard for talent which is 25% of the score. The case just can’t be made that a perfect 75% in other categories made up for an elementary school talent. Especially when you left young women standing in the bottom five who are doctors and graduates of one of the most prestigious music schools in the US. (Scholarship?)MVA is going to be a a second rate pay to play pageant with a great national production once a year. A pretty face with no talent and no marketing plan is not going to sustain MVA. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: All MVA (besides the goofy name) was made for crown chasers to have another chance at a crown. It’s a total money maker for this Alison person. (Does she know it’s 2023)??? | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 11:19:30 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Actually it was created for women who wanted to get the hell away from the mess that had become Miss America and the toxic leaders running it at the national level. Women who still wanted to compete and serve. It is wonderful to see MA back on track with Robin, but there is more than enough room for both systems. Why would anyone disparage anything that adds more opportunities for women? | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 11:31:15 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: I personally am not trying to disparage MVA. Click in | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 16:59:04 I love the opportunities afforded by MVA and the people who work hard to provide these opportunities. My point is that the branding is not lining up with the product. The scoring and the SERVE acronym suggest that to be the representative you check the boxes in ALL of the categories. The scholarship package is great but it's really winner take all. I would suggest that at least $10,000 of the winner's earnings could be added to the other top five or ten finalists..$30-$40k for a winner's scholarship would still be very attractive and the runner-up scholarships would also attract competitors and build the program across many states. We all know it takes money to make a scholarship pageant successful. It's talent and platform that gives a winner traction to build up scholarship funds. A lot of social media followers are great for attention and may attract competitors but that doesn't really monetize for scholarships. There were at least two competitors this season who proved that they had a marketing plan with their talent and platform that brought in local and state scholarship funds. These were also beautiful and talented competitors. These were in line with the competencies given for interview and if given the opportunity could have bolstered the MVA brand. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: According to her socials, Hannah has brought in tens of thousands of scholarship dollars to her state program. She also worked full time while being the state titleholder and still traveled the state with their safe driving campaign. She's made appearances such as American Idol homecoming, American Heart events, and dozens of others. Seems like she has done a great job! The followers and her viewing is just a bonus! | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 18:24:19 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: I am not the poster below, but I really like your ideas. Click in | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 18:28:42 I think every brand needs to figure out who they are. I think MVA already has a good idea of who they are but there are practical ways in which you build the program, and that needs to be the focus right now. Interestingly, except for a fitness attire sponsor it seems like MVA has some great sponsors already set up. Sherri Hill is working with them and she's giving the winner a week at fashion week. How awesome is that? I think because it is still a very young program, you are going to see different kinds of contestants win. And you look at MAO and USA and they all go through stages. MAO was nothing but interview queens and they still kind of are. USA went the way of crowning MAO like winners and now their pageants are filled with contestants telling us how they want to change the world. USA and Universe. I think the challenge right now is exactly what you say it is-the pageant itself seems to be for a well-rounded winner. I think Alexa was, at least. I think that the next few winners are going to help determine the identity of this pageant and how it is seen going forward. The problem is that if you get a panel of judges who fall in love with a contestant like they did with MS who had little talent, it may not reflect the values of the program, it just reflects the judges preference. So, that is going to be another challenge. Remember back when they had that reality series on TLC when those show judges all but begged the MAO to make it young and modern and they chose Kirsten Haglund? She was young but definitely not the kind of contestant they wanted to see. They wanted young and exciting, not a Senator's wife. They tried to give the contestants free makeovers and everything, and it still did not work. So, I think having a good brand is still going to be necessary going forward. This way, if you get less than what you are asking for the contestants still understand what they need to do in order to succeed. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 12:54:27 I was disappointed with the outcome but not the pageant itself. There is still room for pageants like MVA and after 2 short years it has been built into a bona fide national pageant. The winner got a $50k scholarship, same as MAO, and a whole lot of other opportunities in the music business. Who wouldn't want that if they are pursuing a music career? Both winners have been dancers and they will not use them, but eventually a singer will win and have a tremendous opportunity. They also aligned themselves with St. Jude's, a well-respected charity which will be a win for both organizations. Each system has their good and bad and I do not think MVA should be condemned. It is a classic pageant system for contestants who want to compete in a classic pageant. Nothing wrong with that. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Oh they will uses their dancer queens!! Did you not see how much the outgoing queen danced on stage, opening number, with the princesses, her own spotlight, the finale! They used her a lot and she seemed to love it! I loved it. In two years this pageant has become my favorite! glamorous, beautiful stage and set design, orchetra, scholarships, no ted talks and pretty gowns and wonderfu and tastful SS competition. They embraced all that MAO tried to diss. | |
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Author: AND it was free to watch, Didn't have to remember to cancel any high priced memberships. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 16:08:16 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: I was the one who posted this-I meant that the dancers are not going to use the opportunity to meet with music executives. The dancers and how much Alexa was featured was a real plus for me this week. It's one of the things I like. I think the outgoing titleholder SHOULD have a major part in the production all week. After all they did all year, I hate when all they get is a final walk squeezed into the show when it takes a half an hour to announce the top 15. Alexa was clearly talented and it was nice to see that all week. | |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 18:31:23 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 12:22:17 So happy for Miss ID Volunteer! She shined all week and loved watching her. Wonderful women in the whole competition. Congratulations to Miss Missouri! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 18:49:55 Delaware was my winner all week. She had the BEST walks. Stood out because she was not only beautiful but had bangs and amazing wardrobe. She is originally from Georgia and has competed in many systems for years. She is an asking speaker with a great platform and talent with passion. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Date Posted: Sun June 25, 2023 18:54:38 I agree the organization needs to figure out what they want. Alexa was so real and genuine. I was for Delaware all week. She is talented, beautiful, has bangs, didn’t change who she was, has an amazing story, and can speak very well onstage. I have watched her compete for years. She is a Georgia pageant girl. I was absolutely shocked. I thought the organization wanted sweet, genuine girls??? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Should have seen this coming in March. Teen is a super gorgeous USA runner up with a super weak talent. MVA just needs to brand what they are. | |
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Date Posted: Mon June 26, 2023 09:01:07 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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