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Subject: Top 15 is a JOKE!

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Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 21:10:34

As a former state title holder for Miss America and Miss USA, I am appalled by the judges' choices for the top 15! Half of these contestants shouldn't have even made it past the talent portion. Frankly, the organization should eliminate the talent section altogether! Minnesota's talent alone should have secured her spot in the finals, much like MS's swimsuit did, given how terrible her talent was! And don't get me started on the bogus "Fitness & Wellness." Also, I’m very surprised Miss Connecticut didn’t make top! She’s gorgeous and has more talent in her legs alone than half of these other contestants. Then again, he just won an NBA championship with the Celtics! She’s got life down!

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[> Subject: Before anyone claims that talent doesn't matter, the same argument can be made about the swimsuit competition! Ultimately, they're selecting girls based on a "certain" look, and we all know what that implies.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 21:14:37 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: What is Demarcus looking for in a winner? First winner was a blonde, the outgoing one is brunette (who can’t even dance in a production number), will she go with skinny blonde again?
Author: Or will there be more diversity? Love TN and PA [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 21:24:08 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Mississippi is god AWFUL!! And two nights in a row she's singing the wrong lyrics
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 21:31:04 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: That was darn right painful!!! Stay away from Whitney please!!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 21:36:55 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: And she makes top 5. WTH?!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 22:30:56 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: HOW THE HELL DID MISSISSIPPI MAKE IT???
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 22:04:42 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Tan, skinny and blonde. Looking for a barbie
Author: Or a Christine williamson the second [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 22:06:11 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Looks. Her talent was terrible!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 22:06:38 Looks. Her talent was terrible! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Y’all are throwing some serious shade. There might be a girl or two who don’t have a string talent…but this isn’t a talent competition. It’s 25% in each area of competition. Meaning you can’t judge this like you do MAO. No one knows what happened in interview or their composite score. Be thankful that this organization allows scholarship money to be paid for tuition AND student loans!!!

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Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 22:12:35

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[> Subject: It’s NOT A TALENT COMPETITION. Each phase of competition is worth exactly the same amount!!!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 22:15:53 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: It was proven last year that it was not a talent contest, look at the winner, she has done nothing during the show
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 22:34:19 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: It'll be SC or AL. They look just like Alison.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 22:29:32 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Allyson wants PA. I’m calling it!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 22:37:11 Allyson wants PA. I’m calling it! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: I wish. But I’m fairly certain it will be SC.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 22:47:38 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: No one is talking about NY!? She’s killing it!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 22:50:30 I didn’t know about her prior but I’m loving her [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: No because she’s not the blonde they’re looking for
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 22:55:36 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Welp, I guess you’re right SC won lol
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 22:57:45 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: They basically selected Allison. surprise? Not really!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 23:00:21 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Regardless I think after watching the whole week she was the strongest choice. A shame “what they are looking for” interfered with the best taking home the crown.
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[> [> Subject: NY was easily the right choice. SC didn’t even answer her question. Sad for the organization, good luck getting girls to compete.
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[> [> [> Subject: I think they are going to have a harder time finding girls who will compete at local pageants now that it’s so obvious what Allison wants in her titleholders.
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[> [> [> Subject: NY was amazing. So classy and a classic beauty.
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[> [> Subject: NY was absolutely amazing!
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[> Subject: Crowned her clone.The winner has been T5 at Miss South Carolina twice and was South Carolina Outstanding Teen so I guess there is that.T
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[> Subject: Did anyone else notice none of the title holders clapped or seemed happy when SC won?
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[> [> Subject: A lot of them stuck around to hug her so I don’t agree. It did look like some left the stage but that doesn’t necessarily reflect on SC
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[> [> Subject: Yes I did! The stage was split, some girls around SC and others around PA! People weren’t happy about SC. The titleholders were still and quiet.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 23:07:44 Yes I did! The stage was split, some girls around SC and others around PA! People weren’t happy about SC. The titleholders were still and quiet. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Not much of a stampede to congratulate the winner. We all saw it coming, who would win…
Author: Think they did too? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 23:11:18 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Disappointed
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sat June 22, 2024 23:22:03 You could not have stated this any better. I stopped watching after night 2 of prelims. I called BS then. I knew it was not based on the 4 categories they claimed to base it on. I believe it’s about money and a specific look. Very disappointing. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Now that the pageant is over, let's be honest, all the Black girls could have made it to the top! I don't mean to make it about race, and yes, I'm white, but looking back, Minnesota, Connecticut, and even Oregon should have been in the top 15!
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[> [> Subject: Im white and I agree lol Half of the contestants in the top 15 should not have been there! I also think MO could have been in the mix also
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[> [> [> Subject: Agreed!!!
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[> [> Subject: MN was good but not top 10 material. Her EG and SS held her back. You also have no clue how her interview went. Yes she was a non finalist interview winner but look at the title of that award. That means she was the best of those who didn’t make the top 15. Y’all need to stop and celebrate what she was able to accomplish.
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[> [> [> Subject: I don’t think that is correct…she could have had a higher scoring interview than people in the top 15 - she just wasn’t in the top 15 so she is called a non-finalist.
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[> [> Subject: Sorry but totally disagree.
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[> Subject: Where did Allie Griffiths place at Miss Georgia?
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[> Subject: What is non-finalist recognition? Girls who should’ve been in top? This was the strangest pageant. I’m sorry but Miss SC, or our reigning Miss Volunteer America looked emaciated… is this what we’re teaching young girls?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sun June 23, 2024 00:13:28 What is non-finalist recognition? Girls who should’ve been in top? This was the strangest pageant. I’m sorry but Miss SC, or our reigning Miss Volunteer America looked emaciated… is this what we’re teaching young girls? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: The “non finalist” award is basically just random girls that “shined throughout the week and it was recognized by the “volunteers backstage” kinda stupid. It’s basically just picked by like whoever the backstage staff liked best
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sun June 23, 2024 00:22:14 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: This pageant is so tacky lol
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[> [> [> [> Subject: Tacky= gaudy & dowdy. Campy= something so outrageously artificial, affected, inappropriate, or out-of-date as to be considered amusing. Through in some Jesus and Americana and you have Miss Volunteer, and I'm here for it!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sun June 23, 2024 11:46:11 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: LOL at least that’s what’s been told the grapevine. They could’ve picked them for other reasons but publicly they’ve never said why. I think it was just told to the girls backstage last year. Weird though bc last year people were confused and thought it was the top 20, girls even posted that.
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[> [> [> [> Subject: No, they announced the "special recognition" girls the same as last year.
Author: nobody was confused that there was a T20, bc they didn't call a T20, lol [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Sun June 23, 2024 11:49:01 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Berkeley Bryant click in

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Date Posted: Sun June 23, 2024 08:14:48

This young woman has competed for years and been very successful. It seems as if she was dismayed with MAO like many others and switched to volunteer. She was on my radar from the time she won the SC title. Anyone that keeps up with pageants knows she is a strong contender in any competition she enters. She was one of the most well rounded contestants I’ve seen this season. There were several young women in this competition that were strong contenders.

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[> [> Subject: The new Volunteer winner was (beep)ing robbed from MAO twice as she had wanted for the state title. Thankfully, she decided to compete in Volunteer system instead of wait for another year in MAO.
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[> [> [> Subject: Maybe she did not title because the judges could see how mean she was. The stories of her at MAO and MVA speak a lot to the kind of person she is. Evident in people not being excited to congratulate her after her win
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[> [> [> [> Subject: You don’t know anything about Berkley! You have your information wrong. She doesn’t have a mean bone in her! She’s sweet and is the totally opposite of what you are saying! Shame on you and your hateful remarks!
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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Numerous reports from multiple titleholders claim otherwise. Unkind comments heard by many girls, mean looks given to others…the number of girls not necessarily associated to each other other than through this one week have very similar stories of interactions and feelings surrounding her. It sounds like she is very good at putting on a show when needed but behind the scenes is not the kind person you claim. The response by the contestants to her win proves that.

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Date Posted: Wed June 26, 2024 13:31:08

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[> [> Subject: From click-in: This young woman has competed for years and been very successful. It seems as if she was dismayed with MAO like many others and switched to volunteer. She was on my radar from the time she won the SC title. Anyone that keeps up with pageants knows she is a strong contender in any competition she enters. She was one of the most well rounded contestants I’ve seen this season. There were several young women in this competition that were strong contenders.

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Date Posted: Sun June 23, 2024 12:32:00

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[> [> Subject: I thought she was on fire the whole week! She embodied all the elements and was a well earned winner! I also thought PA was a great choice but MN schools have been in T15 at least. Her personality SHONE through her!
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[> Subject: I really don’t have a problem with the results. We all always think someone got left out as arm chair judges. SC (if you’ve followed pageants) has always been a strong competitor and successful. My only question with the top 5 is Mississippi. Let’s face it, she can’t sing. I think this is a great opportunity for women. There’s always room for improvement but we need more scholarship opportunities and glad there is a glam pageant option!

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Date Posted: Sun June 23, 2024 09:31:40

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[> [> Subject: I don’t have any issues with top 5, they were all great competitors. My issue is with the top 16. At least 4 or 5 did not earn their spot there. There were so many talented girls who worked extremely hard all year long only to be passed over because they didn’t have a certain look. Thought this system was based on all 4 phases equally, but that clearly is not the case. It’s clear that’s it’s simply a beauty pageant. If that’s what they want, that’s fine, but advertise it as that. It’s disrespectful to the girls who were told it was about service and volunteerism, because it clearly is not.

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Date Posted: Sun June 23, 2024 10:03:04

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[> [> [> Subject: I agree with you that many were left out of the 16 who deserved to be there. But service and volunteerism are not scored phases of competition. They are built into the interview but at no point does a girl receive a numbered score for either. It is a mathematical formula. Scores are scores are scores.
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[> [> [> [> Subject: I should have clarified, I know the volunteerism is not scored. However that’s how the pageant is advertised. It seems to be based more on looks than anything else. So just be honest and advise it as such.
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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: I thought they were pretty open about what the four categories of scored competition were. The underlying brand of the organization is based on volunteerism but you still have to have scored categories of competition. The two can coexist.
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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: There is no scoring based on volunteerism. They promote it and can ask a young lady about her efforts during interview. But the scoring is clear. So learn how this system scores it’s contestants and you will be less frustrated
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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: And other systems promote volunteerism, education etc. don’t see folks screaming about those systems being unfair. I think the majority of these posts are from folks who thought MN should have gotten in there. Stop bashing a system that provides opportunities and scholarships to young women. There will never be a top 15 or winner everyone agrees on. So get over it.

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Date Posted: Sun June 23, 2024 12:05:48

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I have to admit, I was confused as to why MN was left out when she received 2 nonfinalist awards and community service. Maybe explain those a little more in depth, so people understand it. Also, I know this will never happen, but in the name of transparency, post the top 15 interviews so everyone can see what the judges saw. Might clear up some confusion.
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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: MN as a non finalist winner meant she had the highest score of those not announced in the top 15. So remove all the semi finalist scores and then she was the next best.
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[> Subject: Click in.

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Date Posted: Sun June 23, 2024 09:54:14

People seem to grossly misunderstand the Volunteer scoring. It is unlike any comparable pageant and obviously causes some confusion amongst viewers. To be perfectly clear, each phase of competition is weighted equally. This means no excellent talent or high fitness score will necessarily guarantee a girl a spot in the top ten or top five. It equally means no poor talent score will keep a girl out of the top ten or top five. Interview matters and styling onstage matters. Does this mean there weren't some girls notably left out of these placements? Not at all. Several strong, consistent competitors onstage were left out. However, no one on this board saw an interview of any of the contestants. Scoring high in interview and then consistently scoring high in at least two if not three of the onstage competitions will result in high placement. Until the fan base starts to grasp what this scoring really looks like in practice, you will continue to feel miffed and confused at the close of each pageant. Miss Volunteer America is far from perfect. But she is a three year old pageant. The organization is on solid footing to continue on its path of growth. If you aren't willing to buckle up for the ride that involves both highs and lows, find a new system to follow.

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[> [> Subject: POSTED from click-in: People seem to grossly misunderstand the Volunteer scoring. It is unlike any comparable pageant and obviously causes some confusion amongst viewers. To be perfectly clear, each phase of competition is weighted equally. This means no excellent talent or high fitness score will necessarily guarantee a girl a spot in the top ten or top five. It equally means no poor talent score will keep a girl out of the top ten or top five. Interview matters and styling onstage matters. Does this mean there weren't some girls notably left out of these placements? Not at all. Several strong, consistent competitors onstage were left out.

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Date Posted: Sun June 23, 2024 12:03:04

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[> [> Subject: However, no one on this board saw an interview of any of the contestants. Scoring high in interview & then consistently scoring high in at least two if not three of the onstage competitions will result in high placement. Until the fan base starts to grasp what this scoring really looks like in practice, you will continue to feel miffed & confused at the close of each pageant. Miss Volunteer America is far from perfect. But she is a three year old pageant. The organization is on solid footing to continue on its path of growth. If you aren't willing to buckle up for the ride that involves both highs & lows, find a new system to follow.

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Date Posted: Sun June 23, 2024 12:04:37

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[> [> [> Subject: At the end of the day the scores don’t matter once you’re in the 5. It’s final ballot. They pick who they want. The person with the lowest scores could win. And unfortunately that happens often simply because they like her for some reason. Onstage question is a huge reflection of interview. I think with this 5 it showed who actually more than likely had a strong one and who didn’t.

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Date Posted: Sun June 23, 2024 19:04:06

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[> Subject: Did all the contestants have to buy their competition EG from Sherri Hill?
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[> [> Subject: No. It’s contestants choice.
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[> Subject: I accept the scoring system and the top 15 it produced. I feel strongly, however, that each phase should be judged as it's own competition and not have other areas bleed into the scores for that phase. NE not winning talent is an injustice, made even more painfully obvious when she performed after the top 12 and blew them all (except NY) out of the water. Give NE that moment with her well-earned prelim award. If she doesn't excel in the other areas, that's fine; but I just can't wrap my head around her not winning that award. I am glad she was able to perform on Saturday night. I imagine that meant a lot to her.

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