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The results are in for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote for the episode 'Into the Breech'. The Favourite Mac Visual was of Mac giving the kickboxing lesson and the Favourite Mac Quote was "You have to do everything better than they do but don't rub their noses in it. Be smart, think like a woman, act like a man." Thanks to all participants this week. -- Jubellant, 08:23:04 05/26/08 Mon
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The epidsode we are voting on for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote is 'Into The Breech'. This episode is when Harm and Mac sit second chair at a Mock trial at the Naval Academy. Additional evidence turns up that contradicts finding from the original trial. Harm becomes the posster boy for a commercial, As usual voting end Sunday at midnight EST. -- Jubellant, 14:38:38 05/19/08 Mon
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- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 14:39:38 05/19/08 Mon
- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 14:40:25 05/19/08 Mon
  - "Jurors acquit people they like and convict those they don't." (NT) -- jagnut, 16:28:18 05/19/08 Mon
  - Teenagers. Remember what it was like, Harm? Trying to figure out who you are and where you fit in? Or did that just come easy to you? (NT) -- jagnut, 16:29:08 05/19/08 Mon
  - You have to do everything better than they do, but don't rub their noses in it. Be smart, think like a woman, act like a man. (NT) -- jagnut, 16:29:41 05/19/08 Mon
  - Anyway, it's best not to get involved with someone you see all the time, no matter how you feel about them. (NT) -- jagnut, 16:30:22 05/19/08 Mon
  - Thanks for the suggestions Jagnut. (NT) -- Jubellant, 07:42:43 05/23/08 Fri
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 14:41:05 05/19/08 Mon
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 14:41:55 05/19/08 Mon
- think like a women but act like a man is my fav. mac quote. i likes this show. kind of mellow time for mac and harm. (NT) -- Linda R, 18:56:20 05/19/08 Mon
- My Favorite Mac Visual: Mac and the young female student/defense lawyer boxing the bag together and chatting. My Favorite Mac Quote: "You have to do everything better than they do, but don't rub their noses in it. Be smart, think like a woman, act like a man." :o) (NT) -- KH, 10:36:14 05/22/08 Thu
  - I'll go ditto with these two votes for visual and quote. (NT) -- Amy, 06:58:05 05/23/08 Fri
  - I'll go double ditto on the visual (my fave) and quote. (NT) -- Jubellant (Thanks KH:)), 07:41:23 05/23/08 Fri
    - Me too on the quote and scene! I liked both of them "mentoring" the kids, & the scene where the girl & Mac were working out was priceless. Mac knew what it took to suceed in a man's world, but in the process while tough, didn't lose any of her feminity if that makes sense. (NT) -- Jennifer, 18:28:35 05/24/08 Sat
Jag video -- jagnut, 16:47:16 05/19/08 Mon
*Shipper fix*
When you say nothing at all

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- Thanks jagnut, brings back memories and so much frustration LOL! (NT) -- Jubellant, 16:55:02 05/21/08 Wed
- Thanks. I miss them so much. (NT) -- Dadge, 19:46:05 05/21/08 Wed
- My all time favorite couple and I just got my dvd too. (NT) -- Kelly, 00:39:30 05/23/08 Fri
Since last week's episode dealt with an AU, Mac didn't really exist therefore, there will be no Favourite Visuals or Quotes for the episode 'Ghosts of Christmas Past'. -- Jubellant, 14:31:43 05/19/08 Mon
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Mac or Harm -- jagnut, 14:53:05 05/11/08 Sun
Who do you think was shown to have the worst luck in relationships Mac or Harm?

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- Is this a trick question? (NT) -- Jubellant, 17:56:17 05/11/08 Sun
- They're pretty even on SO's who've died or been killed, so that's not a factor. I think Harm had worse luck than Mac because at least Mac had the control to leave her relationships when they weren't working out. The only one who left Mac was Mic. Even Webb wanted to get back with her once he came out of the cold. Everyone left Harm. (NT) -- Theresa, 20:36:46 05/11/08 Sun
- I think Mac had the worse luck. Eddie a drunk, Chris a criminal, blackmailer, abuser, John a CO taking advantage of his mentorship, Dalton undervalued Mac's abilities, stole from her, treated her like an underling, Mic tried to force her to love him, Clay used her survivor guilt against her. Harm on the other had Annie's son lie to her and did what he thought was best for her child, didn't include Jordan in on a decision that would effect them both. I didn't get the Bobby thing at all and have a feeling he did the leaving, and Renee was a stand in for Mac.Those other women that showed interest in him he didn't return the interest (the artist, and the lawyer) and Catherine Gale was a ready-made family. So it is not like he was left without cause IMHO, he didn't love these women. (NT) -- Jubellant, 12:00:45 05/12/08 Mon
  - I think you proved that Harm had worse luck. They all left Harm. Mac on the other hand left all the men, including Mic. Mic only left when he realized finally that Mac wanted to be with Harm and not him. Mac left Mic the night Harm crashed. (NT) -- p, 19:57:59 05/13/08 Tue
    - P you lost me! The question was who had the worse luck not who left H/M the most. Luck had nothing to do with Harm's SO's leaving him but his actions/inactions caused them to leave. Mac's Eddie died in a car accident, 2 were shot dead. Does not sound like luck to me! (NT) -- Jubellant, 20:54:45 05/13/08 Tue
      - Diane was killed, Jordan was killed. Eddie was just a friend, not a lover. (NT) -- p, 17:14:46 05/14/08 Wed
        
        I'll give you Diane (forgot about her) even though we do not know much abot how serious they were, but Jordan had moved on and had not been in Harm's recent life although her death was unfortunate. (NT) -- Jubellant, 17:24:10 05/14/08 Wed
        
        Harm's first girlfriend in Vietnam was killed as well. And how can you forget about Diane? She's Mac's clone. LOL! (NT) -- Theresa, 10:08:37 05/18/08 Sun
        
        Brain freeze. LOL! (NT) -- Jubellant, 13:40:05 05/18/08 Sun
Mic or Webb -- jagnut, 14:47:08 05/11/08 Sun
Well we talked about Mic and Mac so I thought now I would ask about Mac and Webb. What did you think about the pairing of Mac and Webb?
Do you think if Mac and Webb had not been through such a truaumatic expereience would they have gotten together?
Who did you enjoy seeing Mac slap Mic or Webb? Who was most deserving of the slap from Mac?
Who do you think hurt Mac the worst Mic or Webb?
Obviously she had sincere feelings for both men at different times for different reasons, who do you think she cared the most about?

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- I'll bite. Webb was survivor guilt. Mac didn't get tortured, he did. Webb lied, was too secretive and was absent a lot. He wasn't interested in Mac's needs only his own. I didn't see the laughter or fun like she had with Mic. Webb deserved the slap. He endangered Mac's life and made her grieve his death. Mic was doing his job just as Mac was when she prosecuted her ex-lover John Farrow. Mic was new to JAG and he didn't know Mac that well. Later he lost his job rather than prosecute friends. Webb hurt Mac more. Mic just made Mac face up to the truth. She never really loved him enough to put him first.. Harm was her best friend and was who she chose to turn to when things went wrong. Mic the fiancee realized Rabb would always be #1 in her heart. She cared for Mic more than Webb IMHO. (NT) -- Jubellant, 19:01:27 05/11/08 Sun
- She clung to Webb when it seemed like no one else even cared about her wellbeing. But she didn't love him. She could have, if any perception she had of him was real, but she knew she couldn't trust him, and she couldn't have someone she couldn't trust. I think Webb hurt her worse than Mic. Because his treatment of her was just the cherry on top of the whole Paraguay mess. It reminded her that there had been no moving on, she was embroiled in the Sadik/Paraguay/FUBAR Webb mission, long after she thought she'd left it behind. (NT) -- Theresa, 20:39:45 05/11/08 Sun
- I had always liked Webb up until the time they put Mac and Webb together and yes I will agree that I think Webb hurt Mac more and that he was most deserving of that slap! I think he hurt her a lot because she thought she should have been told he was on some mission rather than faking his death. Webb was always about the mission at all costs. (NT) -- jagnut, 15:55:26 05/14/08 Wed
  - Some of the best JAG episodes were when Webb was on and anytime they were on a submarine. I still think Webb with Mac was more of an after thought because TPTB didn't want to address the baby deal issue. I still don't understand why they just didn't move everything up a year when CB got pregnant. Harm and Mac were in a good place at that time. The pregnancy could have been explained by their night in Afghanistan desert when they slept together to stay warm. (NT) -- p, 12:24:54 05/15/08 Thu
    - I'm sorry but I just think that's an awful idea whether they were in a good place or not! They obviously had more to work out than could be solved by a cold night in the Afghanistan desert! (NT) -- jagnut, 15:29:55 05/15/08 Thu
      - OOOH, but what a night that would be. Gritty sand, biting cold, the sulfuric stench of war! How romantic! LOL! I could see them sleeping together at some point during that time, and working out their differences before they had a baby together. There is no fraternization issue if they make love, have a baby, date...whatever. The issue would be not working in the same office, on the same cases. They didn't have enough time in the show to give them both their full story lines for every show and give them equal screen time, they needed to be able to work the same cases. (NT) -- Theresa, 10:13:08 05/18/08 Sun
The episode we are voting on this week for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote is 'Ghosts of Christmas Past'. This is the Harmon Sr. and Jenny Lake episode. As usual voting ends Sunday at midnight EST. -- Jubellant, 10:08:38 05/12/08 Mon
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- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 10:09:23 05/12/08 Mon
  - (NT) -- jagnut (It's Mac and Harm but it isn't Mac and Harm!!), 15:26:10 05/15/08 Thu
- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 10:10:08 05/12/08 Mon
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 10:10:50 05/12/08 Mon
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 10:11:27 05/12/08 Mon
- Discussion topics on this episode. What were your impressions of Mac at the wall as an older Jenny Lake? Were you impressed with CB's singing? (NT) -- Jubellant, 10:18:00 05/12/08 Mon
  - She did a good job as Jenny Lake but I simply didn't care for any of those alternate universe jag episodes, it just wasn't jag and it wasn't Mac and Harm. (NT) -- jagnut, 15:27:44 05/15/08 Thu
- I really like this episode. shows that Harm Sr. was not a superhero. first time i saw this show i did not recognize mac at the wall as jenny. her makeup and acting was so good. I thought she did good singing. Gave it a good shot. I like the famtail scene with harm Sr and jenny. Two people deeply affected by the war. along on christmas and very human. i liked seeing bud, harriet, Bobby, lauren AJ and all in other rolls. kinds of shakes things up a bit. (NT) -- Linda R, 01:25:28 05/17/08 Sat
  - Its not Harm and Mac but still shows how natural and unbeatable the sparks between DJE and CB onscreen. (NT) -- mockeymice, 14:38:35 05/17/08 Sat
JAG and Pride & Predjuice -- p, 20:27:19 05/13/08 Tue
When i first watched P&P with Keira Knightly, it reminded me so much of Harm and Mac.

Darcy is so much like Harm. Neither knows how to convey to the woman they love that they love them. Both like to be in the company of their woman. They like to do things with them.

One thing that was mentioned in this movie was there was three types of women.

first type was more than just beautiful, they were handsome.
Carolyn Bingley went into detail as to what that was. It wasn't just beauty, but it included how they carried themselves, the way they talk and the way they moved. Also they had to be accomplished. They were elegant.

the second type I assume was who might be physically beautiful, but didn't carry herself well and weren't accomplish, they might act a little silly.

the third type were just plain silly.

The challenge here is how do the women of JAG fill these three catergories.

Mac obviously the first type. She was beautiful, carried herself well and was very accomplish with her language skills, leadership skills, and the way she moved. She was quite elegant.

Question is where do the others fit in?

Harriet, Carolyn Imes, Meg Austin, Caitlin Pike, Jordan, Annie, Renee, Sydney Walden, Meredyth, Bobbie, and finally Skates.

If I miss any, feel free to add them into the list. I don't think any of the others fit the profile of an elegant female except for Mac. Though I think Jordan would come close to fitting the bill.

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- ps: should also include Coates and Singer (NT) -- p, 17:16:14 05/14/08 Wed
- Mac stands out because she is a true heroine but she is very human and can be our best friend. And no matter how TPTB knocks her down many still believed her and remained loyal to her. That's how strong Mac is.She's the real deal. (NT) -- Dadge, 00:31:05 05/17/08 Sat
- Hi p I started to take a stab at this but found that I couldn't because of the word silly. I did not find these women silly. Insecure, ambitious, controlling, needy etc along with being beautiful maybe but silly I just didn't see. Sorry! (NT) -- Jubellant, 07:29:34 05/17/08 Sat
Well the verdict is in for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote for this week's episode 'Mishap'. The Favourite Mac Visual was of her setting Mic straight regarding her objectivity and the Favourite Mac Quote was "You know, I broke Harm of the notion that because I'm a woman, I am driven by my feelings. I'll break you of it too before I am done." Thanks to all who tried. -- Jubellant, 10:05:58 05/12/08 Mon
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The episode we are voting on this week for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote is 'Mishap'. This is the episode where Harm's ex RIO Skates is facing charges when the plane she was directing in for a landing crashes. As usual voting ends Sunday at midnight EST! -- Jubellant, 23:39:37 05/04/08 Sun
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- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 23:40:15 05/04/08 Sun
- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 23:41:03 05/04/08 Sun
  - "You know I broke Harm of the notion that because I'm a women I'm driven by my feelings. I'll break you of it too before I'm done." (NT) -- Jubellant, 23:48:59 05/04/08 Sun
    - Although Mac seems to be overly capable it should say woman not women LOL! (NT) -- Jubellant, 10:39:57 05/05/08 Mon
  - "I remember a certain Lieutenant Commander acting JAG ,who once told me, present the evidece, don't make it look like you're trying to shift the blame, don't wrestle with two stars!", "Harm this is me you're talking to here. He threw you off his ship! You have no personal grudge?" (NT) -- Jubellant, 10:16:41 05/07/08 Wed
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 23:41:35 05/04/08 Sun
  - When Mac is taking Mic to task for questioning her choices concerning the case. You tell him Mac! (NT) -- Jubellant, 19:35:50 05/11/08 Sun
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 23:42:11 05/04/08 Sun
  - "You know, I broke Harm of the notion that because I'm a woman I am driven by my feelings. I'll break you of it too, before I'm done." (NT) -- Jubellant, 12:24:51 05/10/08 Sat
- I'll have to go back and rewatch this one to give my feedback. :o) (NT) -- KH, 21:08:31 05/05/08 Mon
  - Thanks KH. (NT) -- Jubellant, 08:56:35 05/06/08 Tue
- My memory is not so good with many episodes on the quotes but Im justw waving hi to everyone here. (NT) -- Paris, 20:20:19 05/07/08 Wed
  - Hi Paris! (NT) -- Jubellant, 22:35:09 05/07/08 Wed
- sorry jubes the best I can do is agree with your quote. next week is going to be a lot easier. (NT) -- Linda R, 23:37:40 05/09/08 Fri
Mic and Mac ( Where the previous discussion went, no one knows LOL!) -- jagnut, 14:23:14 05/04/08 Sun
Ok you knew sooner or later we would have this discussion LOL! Let's talk about Mic and Mac. I had a very hard time when watching Mic and Mac from his line of "your company doesn't have to be sober does it?" up until the time he leaves Mac standing in the airport.
Somewhere along the way in season 5 and 6 we lose the girl we know of as the kick ass Marine and she is almost a shadow of her former self.
Beginning in Boomerang where Mac hops on a plane to Australia to see Mic, then makes a play for Harm and then after his rejection is seen cozied up with Mic??
Then she is expected to drop everything and become his date at some dance where he just shows up
Then she is expected to be his "trophy wife" at some business dinner.
Then the double date of Mic and Mac and Harm and Renee where it's a joke except for the looks between Mac and Harm.
Then there is the episode and I don't recall the name where there is this big discussion about her wearing his ring on the right hand or the left hand.(I so wanted her to take off that ring and hand it back to him!)
Then in "Lifeline" we are at Mac and Mic's engagement party but Mac is on the Admiral's front porch kissing on Harm.
Then Mic leaves Mac standing in the airport like some fool and she gets on the phone with Harm crying. This is where we get all the "come to me you know the reason" from Harm and again Mac is left standing in the rain. What's a girl to do??! LOL!
SO I want to know what you all think about Mac and Mic did this couple make you uncomfortable? I can't explain it but I always felt like they were just on the verge of him being abusive towards her.
I kept waiting for her to stand up to him but she never did.
Sorry to those who responded before voy has mysteriously ate our messages

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- Oh yeah I did see signs of Mic being abusive- maybe not physically- I see Mac taking Mic down in a heartbeat. As for emotional- this poor girl had her fair share of the abuse from her father to Chris. I think Mic was not a good guy-I am sorry that is some say he was. I feel like we would have seen Mic lose his temper alot. But again if he even tried to strike her, he would have ended up on his 6 many times. But yeah I didnt like the pairing of Mic and Mac. But then again I didnt like anyone else except Harm for Mac. (NT) -- Kristen, 15:00:51 05/04/08 Sun
  - First off Mac could never beat up Mic. He was too big and strong for her. I think Mic was the real fool here. -- p, 19:43:12 05/04/08 Sun
- Im no Mic fan but I dont really signs of abuse from him towards Mac. (NT) -- Amber, 15:59:51 05/04/08 Sun
- Mic reminded me of Charlie Brown and the football. He would never achieve the goal but he would faithfully try. My Mic physically abusive to Mac? Never, he loved her. She is the one that slapped him (totally uncharacteristic for her IMHO). I liked Mic if only that he was good for Mac's ego. I didn't think he really stood a chance with her but he did make her laugh, he loved to go up against her in court as it made him a better lawyer and I loved that he got Harm's goat (unfortunately not enough to get him to do something about it until the engagement party). Don't forget, it was Mac that went to Mic after Singer planted the mishap report and made that telephone call when she was posing as a Wiccan. Was she leading him on? Playing with fire as she knew how he felt about her.(Inside) -- Jubellant, 01:23:24 05/05/08 Mon
  - I will agree that Mic did the best thing in supporting Bud and Harriet. But I still don't like the guy LOL! It's funny how we all see things differently but still love the same show. Good discussion. (NT) -- jagnut, 14:51:42 05/11/08 Sun
- I was never a Mic fan from the moment he got off the plane. He was openly slimey toward Mac and was never called on it. He took his wants as what was best for them. I feel that Mac was too smart to get mixed up with him. Well this wasn't the only pairing TPTB made that was completely out of character (NT) -- CAZ, 13:49:02 05/05/08 Mon
- He's more like an emotional torment for Mac but vice versa too knowing Mac didnt love him with all her heart. (NT) -- harmMacfan, 13:15:43 05/08/08 Thu
The episode we are voting on this week for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote is 'Contemptuous Words'. This is the episode where Harm is accused of criticizing the President and Mac gets to guard sperm from a deceased military man! As usual voting end Sunday midnight EST. -- Jubellant, 07:12:35 04/28/08 Mon
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- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS : (NT) -- Jubellant, 07:13:23 04/28/08 Mon
  - (NT) -- jagnut, 09:09:07 05/03/08 Sat
  - (NT) -- jagnut, 09:09:39 05/03/08 Sat
    - Great visuals as usual Jagnut! You are soooo right when you say her expression says it all. I can even remember what she says to Brumby after that look. GO MAC! (NT) -- Jubellant, 09:48:43 05/03/08 Sat
  - The look Mac gave Mic in this picture says it all!! (NT) -- jagnut, 09:19:57 05/03/08 Sat
- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 07:14:03 04/28/08 Mon
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 07:15:51 04/28/08 Mon
  - My vote for Favourite Visual was Mac giving Mic the I can't believe you actually dared to say that to my face look! (NT) -- Jubellant, 17:38:28 05/03/08 Sat
  - IF LOOKS COULD KILL :) MY VOTE FOR FAV MAC VISUAL!!! :-) (NT) -- Kristen, 15:02:01 05/04/08 Sun
    - Hey Kristen! (NT) -- Jubellant, 23:35:21 05/04/08 Sun
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 07:16:28 04/28/08 Mon
  - My vote was the only half decent thing I could find. "Actually Ma'am I'm a Marine." (You tell her Mac!) (NT) -- Jubellant, 17:36:55 05/03/08 Sat
    - Yeah I go with this one too Jubes :) Not too many to choose from :( All I remember is the look she gave Mic!!! hehe ;) (NT) -- Kristen, 15:05:04 05/04/08 Sun
- Man Jubellant this is a hard one! I remember Mac's case, thinking there is no way a Senior officer should be handling such a thing, & I remember Mic's comments on the matter & how I wished Mac would've called him on his unprofessional behaviour towards a Senior officer (Mac outranked him & Mic was being smarmy as usual), but nothing stands out either quote-wise or scene wise....I don't envy you here kiddo, S5 eps weren't the best. It along with S6 are probably my least favorite seasons....Thanks for all you do, you try very hard & we appreciate the effort :) (NT) -- Jennifer, 07:52:45 04/29/08 Tue
  - Thanks Jennifer! Some weeks are shall we say more 'challenging' than others. We often bemoan the fact that Mac gets the short end of the stick. Thinking more about it, it just would not do, to have Mac shine too much in a military setting and therefore upstage the 'men'. So maybe TPTB in some instances had it right. Woman are far from being treated equally in the military. This in no way excuses the fact that many scenarios went way over that. (Her not divorcing Chris, her being compared to a lap dancer (what professor would say such a thing!), and the devaluing of her courtroom skills most of the time when Harm was in the picture). IMHO! Thanks for giving your input when you can. (NT) -- Jubellant, 10:17:26 04/29/08 Tue
  - I have to agree with Jennifer here this episode and the one where she defends the bulldog I kept thinking they have got to be kidding me! There is no way that she should have been even considered for this case. It also seems to me that season 5 had an unusual amount of crap that Mac was thrown. Not crap as in a tough life but crap as in a sorry storyline for a much more deserving character. A storyline where she goes through a tough time and we see her stronger for it , is ok but when the case is an absolute joke I don't appreciate it. And isn't Harm awarded some kind of promotion in this episode in front of the Sec Nav? And we never see Mac get any type of public promotion right??? (NT) -- jagnut, 09:17:16 05/03/08 Sat
- i think the sexual inequality was on jag but not the real military. i once asked my son about women training in the navy. his answer was'Mom there are no women, just sailors" . more and more the modern military has sexual equality. Army Wives does a better job of showing this. Having a woman (a black woman) as second highest ranking officer on a military post. the real military led the rest of us in racial and sexual equality. (NT) -- Linda R, 13:16:27 04/30/08 Wed
  - I have to say I totally agree with you Linda. I don't think TPTB had it right at all. It was very obviously done IMHO by TPTB (etc.) throughout all 9 years that Mac was never to be considered equal. It was very evident in many episodes that they had to show Mac as not quite measuring up whether it was against Harm, in AJ's eyes and in later years against Bud and Sturgis. TPTB talked out of both sides of their mouth, the more popular Mac got the more crap they had to load on her. But it backfired, because the more they threw at her and on her the more the JAG fans rallied behind Mac and pulled for her and loved her more. :o) (NT) -- KH, 14:44:03 04/30/08 Wed
  - Linda it's interesting that you say now they have more equality which implies they didn't before and maybe this is the timeline the earlier JAG was in. JAG was initially about a ace pilot forced to become a JAG lawyer where of course he had to be top gun. When CB entered the picture as Mac a supposedly equal colleague I think TPTB weren't prepared that Mac would be not only be so credible but she would become exceedingly popular. I agree with KH that's why they began to toss all sorts of unbelievable stuff at our marine which didn't stick and as KH said only made us love her more! As for AW, that is a woman driven and written show, so the dynamics would be completely different! (NT) -- Jubellant, 06:02:32 05/01/08 Thu
- KH this is what pi-- me off at the end. Catherine could have carried the show as a strong leader . Why in the he-- did they not continue jag with the cast minus harm. it could have been agreat show. With him stationed in England and show carried on in SD with mac, Bud, harriet. had gunny return as an investigater. made me so angry. on the other hand we would not have gotten Army wives as it is now. Can not imagine someone else as Denise (NT) -- Linda R, 15:39:40 05/03/08 Sat
  - Yes, CB COULD have carried a show on her own, but we were "treated" to the vision that TPTB had of a spinoff of that sort: JAG SD, with all the T&A and accompanying sleaze. I'd much prefer the show ending, as it did, than trying to carry on in that vein. (NT) -- Deemus, 13:32:45 05/04/08 Sun
- My favorite Mac visual is Mas's expression when she is told that they want to save swimmers from the dead man. Rather her lack of expression. Absolutely totally blank. then she took the assignment totally serious. Never cracked a smile. no aside jokes. dead serious. (NT) -- Linda R, 15:42:59 05/03/08 Sat
This week was another challenging one for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote. The episode we were dealing with was 'Contemptuous Words'. The Favourite Visual was of Mac throwing Mic the I can't believe you dared say that look regarding his sperm comment and the Favourite Mac Quote was "Actually Ma'am, I'm a Marine!" Thanks to all who commented. -- Jubellant, 23:34:22 05/04/08 Sun
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The episode we are voting on this week for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote is 'The Colonel's Wife'. This is the episode where Harm and Mac travel to Panama to investigate a Marine's wife who shipped a cocaine package to California. Finally a Mac filled episode we can work with! Voting ends Sunday at midnight EST. -- Jubellant, 06:17:05 04/21/08 Mon
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- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 06:17:43 04/21/08 Mon
  - (NT) -- jagnut, 16:02:15 04/21/08 Mon
  - (NT) -- jagnut, 16:05:52 04/21/08 Mon
  - My favorite visual is when Mac shoots the bad guy at the end, therefore saving Harm's six for once LOL! Mac is cool under pressure, & I loved this ep from the standpoint that AJ for once gave Mac the lead, which of course Harm didn't like & tried to take over, but for once AJ did make Mac lead investigator. (NT) -- Jennifer, 07:39:01 04/24/08 Thu
  - Mac sticking by her plan to Harm and reminding him who was in charge. Mac teasing Harm about his investigative techniques. (NT) -- Jubellant, 10:16:17 04/27/08 Sun
- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 06:18:21 04/21/08 Mon
  - (Inside) -- jagnut, 16:19:55 04/21/08 Mon
  - (inside) -- Jubellant, 10:13:11 04/27/08 Sun
    - "Which he doesn't deserve okay? Just because his wife was a messed up beach bunny who got bit in the tropics... Then he deserves to get divorced, not drummed out of the corps that he has served well and loyally for 27 years!!" I want this one- shows Mac's loyalty to the Corps ;) This is my vote for fav Mac quote! Phew I just beat the deadline Jubes :-) (NT) -- Kristen, 20:12:50 04/27/08 Sun
      - Okay you get a gold star this week Kristen LOL! (NT) -- Jubellant, 09:36:47 04/28/08 Mon
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 06:18:49 04/21/08 Mon
  - Mac saving Harm's life by shooting the drug dealer. Love the tough Marine. (NT) -- Theresa, 22:26:02 04/23/08 Wed
  - This was hard as I love both the comedy of the car scene with Mac giving Harm a hard time and also the tough Marine. Okay I'm bucking the trend and going with the comedic car scene! (NT) -- Jubellant, 16:05:06 04/27/08 Sun
  - AGREE!! Love how Ninja Girl saves Flyboy's life ;) (NT) -- Kristen, 20:11:04 04/27/08 Sun
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 06:19:20 04/21/08 Mon
- i totally agree with jennifer's comment. Mac sves the day. and harm (NT) -- Linda R, 19:29:38 04/25/08 Fri
- My Favorite Mac Visual: Mac shooting the bad buy and saving the day and Harm. My Favorite Mac Quote: "You interrogate her the way you follow her, you might end up proposing." (I laughed out loud at this comment because Mac was so right...Harm always was too much Mr. flirty with women...LOL) Take Care! :o) (NT) -- KH, 15:07:18 04/27/08 Sun
  - Umm...that should be "shooting the bad guy not bad buy,,,LOL. (NT) -- KH, 15:09:00 04/27/08 Sun
  - I go with K. H.'s quote pick as this had me laughing too. (NT) -- Jubellant, 16:00:37 04/27/08 Sun
Okay the results are in for Favourite Mac Visual and Quote for the episode 'The Colonel's Wife'. The Favourite Mac Visual was of our tough marine taking out the drug dealer. The Favourite Mac Quote was "You interrogate her the way you follow her, you might end up proposing!" Thanks to all who participated. -- Jubellant, 07:07:49 04/28/08 Mon
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Psychic Mac -- Tory, 22:21:30 04/27/08 Sun
Hi everyone, can you help me name all the episodes Mac showcased her psychic abilities? The one that really stands out for me would be Adrift 2 Mac successfully searching for Harm but I know there are more other eps than this one.

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- "Capital Crime" and "Psychic Warrior" are the two others. (NT) -- Lee, 06:20:55 04/28/08 Mon
Q about this week's episode. Why did AJ ask Harm if he had a problem with Mac being in charge? Did he sense a potential problem? Why was he giving Harm the chance to second guess his order? -- Jubellant, 10:19:40 04/27/08 Sun
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- I'll bite on this one...LOL. I think AJ did sense a potential problem with Harm hence AJ letting Harm know point blank that Mac was in charge. I don't think AJ was giving Harm a chance to second guess his order, but to let him know up front that Mac was in charge and expected him to act accordingly. Harm always steamrolled over others in charge and did what he wanted. He still tried it in Panama that's why Mac had to remind him. I think that was one of Harm's biggest faults, he wasn't always morally and politically correct in his decisions or actions. He was very quick to point out others shortcomings and try to push that he knew best and his way was the best way. Which in many many cases was not true. He proved this imho many many times over the years. (NT) -- KH, 15:21:10 04/27/08 Sun
  - Thanks K.H. for the well thought out answer . This always bugged me. I would have preferred that he addressed Mac and said "If he causes any problems, I want to know!" (That would put the power in her court.) But then again, that's me sticking up for Mac. LOL! (NT) -- Jubellant, 15:58:52 04/27/08 Sun
    - Oh Jubellant, in my perfect world your depiction was exactly how I would have liked it to be, but alas it never worked that way for Mac on the show. AJ knew how Harm was, but he handled Harm with kid gloves and gave in to him way too much. It would have been nice over the years to see AJ give Mac the extra support and backing. That's one of the reasons I think Cresswell respected Mac more. Cresswell backed her, and not only asked her opinions, but valued her opinions as well. I always felt that after the first initial awkwardness between Mac and Cresswell when he first got there, Cresswell was proud to have her under his command and valued her both as a person and a Marine. :o) (NT) -- KH, 20:15:54 04/27/08 Sun
- I think AJ knew Harm would not be happy with being 2nd to Mac, & in fact he wasn't as evidenced by the fact that he tried to take over the investigation & keep Mac in the dark while he went & did his own thing. I agree with you Jubellant, it would've been nice to see AJ give Mac that little extra support, but well we all know how that went. (NT) -- Jennifer, 18:50:40 04/27/08 Sun
Army Wives and JAG -- lurker, 12:49:01 04/19/08 Sat
When will Army Wives begin their season 2 on Lifetime?

Im sure some of you are aware that 90210 will have a tv movie,Sex and the City and X-Files on the bigscreen.

Do you think Jag can hold an audience on the bigscreen?
Im a fan but doubtful they will make money at the box office.

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- AW begins Season 2 June 8th and the Season on DVD comes out June 10th, As for JAG on the big screen it would depend on the script and whether it appealed to the masses. The fact that it never made an impact at the Emmy's or Globes in spite of some excellent storylines and acting I don't hold out for much success at the box office, unfortunately. (NT) -- Jubellant, 16:23:04 04/19/08 Sat
  - They only give Emmys and Globes to shows that the critics think are very good, but aren't what TV viewers want to see. There are many movies that have great casts but do very poorly at the box office because the movie just sucks. JAG would do very well if it's done right. People do like Military shows and movies. Add in characters that people can identify with. JAG did last ten years for a reason, IT's good. Have a marriage at the Naval Academy chapel, add in a good investigation either aboard ship or another country, have a few good court scenes where Harm and Mac work together, and you have a hit. (NT) -- p, 16:13:23 04/20/08 Sun
- I guess I am one of the few but yes I would love to have seen JAG on the big screen. I think it is too late now but if they could have done something say around season 5 or 6 it would have been a hit. Now I am just afraid they would ruin the ending we have in our heads now. (NT) -- jagnut, 15:53:59 04/20/08 Sun
- i am not sure a Jag movie would work.. i think jag persons visiting NCIS would be a good way to catch up on the past three years. (NT) -- Linda R, 16:58:49 04/22/08 Tue
- It wont work but a CB movie would.LOL. (NT) -- Frank, 00:39:39 04/23/08 Wed
  - I agree Frank that a JAG movie wouldn't work. I don't ever see it happening myself. As far as a Catherine movie, she's done 3 already: The Triangle, Still Small Voices and The Good Witch, all where she's the lead. Granted they weren't on the big screen, but they were on 3 big networks and she setting ratings records with each one. As long as she keeps these wonderful projects coming I'll be ready and excited to tune in. For me JAG had a great 9 year run and that's all I need. They've done it all and there's really nothing left to do. Mac will go down in history in my opinion as one of the best characters on TV because of Catherine's portrayal. Take Care! :o) (NT) -- KH, 09:03:58 04/23/08 Wed
    - Agree with all that you said KH!!!!! :) Mac will always be my favorite character!!! :) I do have to say that I am loving CB as Dgirl too now :-) CB can do any role- that's how talented this girl is!!!!!! :) (NT) -- Kristen, 20:15:33 04/27/08 Sun
- I dont mind CB and DJE teaming up again but not a Jag production. (NT) -- Amber, 14:42:04 04/23/08 Wed
Suggestions are up for this week's episode. Voting ends by midnight tonight EST! -- Jubellant, 10:17:34 04/27/08 Sun
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The votes are in for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote for the episode 'Rogue'. The Favourite Visual was Mac reassuring Harriet about Bud's safety when Singer hints otherwise. The Favourite Mac Quote was "No!...Yeah and he likes classical music, walking in the rain, I know Harriet! I'm not interested!" Thanks for all you comments. Tough episode this week! -- Jubellant, 06:11:02 04/21/08 Mon
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This week the episode we are voting on for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote is 'Rogue'. This is the episode where Bud is aboard a sub when Raglan who is testing security steals it. Another challenging Mac-light episode. Voting as usual ends Sunday at midnight EST. -- Jubellant, 08:23:26 04/14/08 Mon
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- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 08:25:33 04/14/08 Mon
  - Again Mac light. When Mac and Harm are walking through the bullpen and she jokes with Harm about who is really worried about Bud being the advisor for Raglan's mission on exposing the Navy's weaknesses for possible terrorist attacks. When Mac is reintroducing Singer to Harriet and reassures her that Bud is fine and she throws Harriet one of her trademark radiant smiles. The last scene in AJ's office when Mac reacts to Harriet relief to see Bud. (NT) -- Jubellant, 12:18:02 04/15/08 Tue
- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 08:26:20 04/14/08 Mon
  - Mac had very minimal dialogue in this epi. The only two I could suggest are..." Who are you trying to convince?...Oh yeah, it would make ME feel better." and "No!.. Yeah and he likes classical music, walking in the rain, I know Harriet! I'm not interested.! (NT) -- Jubellant, 12:06:13 04/15/08 Tue
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 08:26:53 04/14/08 Mon
  - When Mac is reassurring Harriet in the bullpen that Bud is alright. (NT) -- Jubellant, 18:15:17 04/20/08 Sun
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 08:27:37 04/14/08 Mon
  - "No!....Yeah and he likes classical music, walking in the rain, I know Harriet! I'm not interested!" (NT) -- Jubellant, 18:22:10 04/20/08 Sun
- Wait! I don't think I have seen this episode of JAG??!! I looked through the photos at Hope's site and I don't recall anything about it! (NT) -- jagnut, 16:16:15 04/14/08 Mon
  - The reason you don't recall this is because it's basically a Bud and Harm driven story. Raglan steals a sub with Bud on board. Harm figures out not only does this show how easy it would be to do, but also that Raglan usually adds a humiliation factor (attempts once again to kidnap an Admiral's wife). Mac has very little dialogue and is very much in the background for this episode. (NT) -- Jubellant, 12:23:36 04/15/08 Tue
    - I dont recall much too of this episode. (NT) -- Rory, 14:43:41 04/15/08 Tue
- Aww dang it Jubes!! I forgot to vote this past week-grrrr- sorry!!! I was here and must have gotten distracted!! I will vote this week-dont recall this ep too well either. More Bud centered I think? (NT) -- Kristen, 16:54:56 04/15/08 Tue
  - Hi Kristen not much to choose from this week. Glad you decided to drop by, LOL. (NT) -- Jubellant, 17:33:26 04/15/08 Tue
- Dropping by to say hello and good job to the moms of the board and fans. I miss everyone in here, (NT) -- Kelly, 20:05:47 04/16/08 Wed
- jubes i am trying but while this is a good ep cause i love all submarine stories i find little about Mac. What is with season 5? (NT) -- Linda R, 00:57:42 04/17/08 Thu
- Sorry Jubellant, but I can't participate this week...LOL. This episode was very boring and hardly any Mac and nothing to chose from. So I'll wait to see what the next episode is. Take Care! :o) (NT) -- KH, 14:52:10 04/17/08 Thu
  - Thanks for the effort KH. Still hats off to CB, no matter how little air time she has she gives it 100%. I will parse the grains of sand provided to come up with a Fave. (Wish me luck, LOL!) (NT) -- Jubellant (Hi Kelly, thanks for dropping in!), 17:39:06 04/17/08 Thu
The votes are in for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote for the epidose 'Psychic Warrior'. The Favourite Mac Visual was of Mac comforting Chloe when she was found in the woods. The Favourite Mac Quote was "I don't know Sir, I've been able to tell the time without a watch since the fifth grade.....Actually Sir, I just wanted to know when recess was!" Many thanks to all who participated this week. -- Jubellant, 08:00:39 04/14/08 Mon
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The episode we are voting on this week for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote is 'Psychic Warrior'. This is the episode where we learn that Mac has a psychic gift beyond knowing what time it is. She is dubious about an Admiral claiming to have ESP and finds out she may have a bit of that gift herself when she is able to locate a lost Chloe. Voting ends Sunday at midnight EST. -- Jubellant, 04:47:46 04/07/08 Mon
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- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 04:48:27 04/07/08 Mon
  - For Mac visual...the end where Mac finds Chloe & comforts her....Mac was soooo good with Chloe, & its a shame that in the later seasons they dropped Chloe altogether. (NT) -- Jennifer, 11:21:27 04/07/08 Mon
  - 1) When Mac decides to ease up on the Admiral at the end and they are all quizzing her why. (Her expressions of exasperation and especially that look when Harm asks her what the scores to the Super Bowl would be). 2) Mac's conflict after the Admiral tells her where to find Chloe between anger at being manipulated and the hope that it could be true. 3) Mac trying to be professional when AJ asks her about Chloe. (NT) -- Jubellant, 12:39:51 04/12/08 Sat
    - I liked the look on her face when she realizes she's had a vision. Determined purpose. It was her Psychic Warrior moment. (NT) -- Theresa, 16:20:27 04/12/08 Sat
- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 04:48:56 04/07/08 Mon
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 04:49:23 04/07/08 Mon
  - I vote for when Mac found Chloe and comforted her. (NT) -- Deemus, 10:46:59 04/13/08 Sun
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 04:49:50 04/07/08 Mon
  - I vote for when Mac just wanted to know how long until recess. (NT) -- Deemus, 10:48:00 04/13/08 Sun
- My favorite was when she found cloie. i also liked the very end when she eased up on the Admiral. she let him have his dignity. Admitted she had changed her opinion. I always liked that Mac was not afraid to change her mind and admit when she learned something. interesting show. there is a book as i recall by the same name of a soldier who says he was in the Star something program for the Army. (NT) -- Linda R, 18:45:02 04/07/08 Mon
- Favorite line is also Mac commenting about recess. Favorite scene is the phone call of Mac and Chloe and Harm was a bit jealous thinking its another man in Mac's life. (NT) -- Mitzi, 21:30:41 04/11/08 Fri
  - Thanks for dropping by Mitzi! (NT) -- Jubellant, 12:42:09 04/12/08 Sat
- My Favorite Mac Visual: When Mac finds Chloe in the woods. (I always loved Mac's interaction with Chloe, it's too bad we didn't get more). My Favorite Mac Quote: "I just wanted to know how long until recess." :o) (NT) -- KH, 20:25:32 04/13/08 Sun
Since we are choosing from 'Front and Center' this week for Mac Faves I thought I'd start a little discussion. -- Jubellant, 11:28:19 04/01/08 Tue
This episode dealt with a Marine fleeing from coming forth as a witness in a rape case and good old Jingo. Once again Mac drew the fluff case. Harm seemed to be granted aviation cases as he knew the mentality. I wonder why Mac was not granted the same courtesy in Marine cases. She handled the bigomy, polygomy cases, peeping toms, overweight sailor case etc. Why weren't these delegated to more junior staff? Opinions anyone? It sort of in the spirit of jagnut's respect question below.

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- I think because AJ at times didn't respect her, and very much at times treated Mac like black sheep of the group. I guess there are no "small" cases, but yeah Mac got way more than her fair share of the crappy cases. And then when she finally lands a decent one, Harm whines about & AJ (in what has to be the most show of favortism ever) takes it away from her & gives it to Harm. Maybe Mac should've whined more...I did like the Jingo storyline for one reason, cause is showed Mac's softness for animals, & she saved Jingo's life by adopting him. (NT) -- Jennifer, 11:59:29 04/01/08 Tue
- i think DB played down mac's part. the actors were just following the script. The episodes which mac played A line. Like The Stalker, ,the Court martial of Sandra Gilbert, Two Towns, The whole Praguay series ,Persian gulf,4% Solution were the best Jags. the original jag was about harm. had they let Mac do the good stuff it would have become more about a Mac series and DB did not want this. (NT) -- Linda R, 21:14:41 04/03/08 Thu
  - DB does not write women strong period....he may start out that way, but as a series progresses, he always dumbs then down, or gives them flaws that are waaaaay more personal in nature. Just look at every female character on JAG...Mac, Kate, Meredith, Harriet, Imes, Singer, Renee, Annie it goes on & on. The more they threw at Mac the more I loved the character and wanted to see her persevere all the more LOL! DB is doing the same thing on NCIS....the female Director (I don't remember her name) is show to be an incompetent boob just so Gibbs' (Mark Harmon) can shine, & it would be nice if DB would actually employ some writers who could consistently write a good, strong female character/lead. (NT) -- Jennifer, 08:56:29 04/04/08 Fri
    - Case in point, 'In Thin Air' just aired this week and when Harm was severed from this case for not aggresively defending his client he was cut some slack by AJ even when he went vs. orders and interfered to discover his client had vertigo. Bud falls asleep and is saved by his clients action of hiding a fax cover sheet. Mac through no fault of her own, has evidence planted in her car, she like Harm is relieved of the case but instead of being vindicated her integrity is doubted and she is sent running away to seek solace in Mic's arms (just the thing Jennifer wanted to see. Just kidding!) (NT) -- Jubellant, 13:05:14 04/04/08 Fri
      - Its a very valid point....Bud falling asleep in court, instead of being reprimanded he's rewarded with a shipboard tour of duty....Harm instead of being reprimanded is "forgiven" just like the episode in which he thought his client was guilty of Espionage (Redemptions) & took classified information AJ didn't punish him...Singer places a file in Mac's car, which she burns, she had the information anyway thanks to Gunny's legwork, but no AJ had to pull her off the case. He should've done the same to thing to Harm in Redemption, but backed Harm up, something he never really did for Mac. (NT) -- Jennifer, 08:53:39 04/05/08 Sat
        
        I agree 100% Jennifer and Jubellant. Exactly and then when Mac asks AJ if he believes her he says, "I don't know what to believe". What a load of you know what. This is another example of why I feel Cresswell respected Mac much much more than AJ did. :o) (NT) -- KH, 14:04:42 04/05/08 Sat
        
        Cresswell respected her enough not to try to kiss her when she was at a vulnerable moment. (NT) -- Theresa, 16:16:06 04/12/08 Sat
        
        Good one Theresa! Also Cresswell didn't "fantasize" about Mac in ahem sexy dreams like AJ did...why oh why did TPTB ever go there? Shaking head.... (NT) -- Jennifer, 08:27:20 04/13/08 Sun
Suggestions are up for this week's episode of 'Psychic Warrior'. Feel free to scroll on down and vote! -- Jubellant, 12:41:15 04/12/08 Sat
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The results are in for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote for the episdoe 'Front and Center'. The Favourtie Mac Visual is of Mac and Jingo in her bed and the Favourite Mac Quote is "Anything I want?......I don't know how this is going to work. Um, what I'm saying is that I'm not sure if I'm ready for this sort of committment in my life right now. (Sighs) We'll have to see how it goes. But I have to tell you one thing right now, if you chew up my shoes, (laughs) it's over!" Many thanks to all participants. -- Jubellant, 04:43:01 04/07/08 Mon
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jag season 5 -- jagnut, 17:03:40 04/06/08 Sun
I finally got my season 5 dvd of JAG!! (Yipee!!) Now I can keep up with the discussions! Did you get a chance to see the "gag reel"? Are there any interviews with CB on this one??

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- Wishful thinking jagnut. Just the 3 min gag reel. Not one ounce of commentary or deleted scenes or interviews. When you look at all the other DVD sets out there and how many extras they include, this is a real discredit to a great series IMHO. (NT) -- Jubellant, 20:23:57 04/06/08 Sun
The episode we are voting on this week for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote is 'Front and Center'. This is the episode where Bud and Harm try to locate a marine witness to a rape case who has disappeared and Mic and Mac tangle over Jingo the drug sniffing canine! Voting ends Sunday at midnight EST. -- Jubellant (Okay Jennifer bring it on, LOL), 16:43:55 03/31/08 Mon
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- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 16:44:43 03/31/08 Mon
  - The scene were Mac is in bed & she's laying down the rules...for a brief minute its like who is she talking to? And then the camera pans & Jingo is in the bed with her LOL!!! (NT) -- JenniferM, 16:50:04 03/31/08 Mon
  - Mac taking Harm to task for assuming he had a say in her relationships., Mac's conversation with Mic telling him he was a snake in the courtroom but nowhere else. (A statement I'm sure Jennifer would wholeheartedly disagree with, LOL!), Mac and Harm at the photocopier ribbing each other about their witnesses (a dog versus a missing murderer) and Harm's backhanded apology to Mac. (NT) -- Jubellant, 10:25:00 04/03/08 Thu
- MY SUGGESTION FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 16:45:53 03/31/08 Mon
  - "Could it be because you're the only one using nautical metaphors? It's going to be a period of adjustment for all of us. My suggestion is don't push it you know, let it happen, we'll get the rhythm back!", "By that you mean?...We're friends.....How?... Well what should I have done, ordered him to drop and give me 50?...", "Look you haven't been here in nearly six months! So the fine points of my relationship with anyone are lost on you. And you know when it comes to my relationships, you are not necessarily on a need to know basis.", "Oh no, no, no, bad strategy. You're acknowledging my power." (NT) -- Jubellant, 09:51:16 04/03/08 Thu
  - "Yah, you're right. In the interest of fairness, I'll tell you what I like about the way you work. You are able to distinguish between what you are and what you do., You're a snake in the courtroom but nowhere else and when you lose, you're. you just shrug it off and you bounce back. You know, you're also pretty creative!", "Anything I want?.....I don't know how this is going to work. Um what I'm saying is that I'm not sure if I'm ready for this sort of committment in my life right now. (Sighs) We'll have to see how it goes. But I have to tell you one thing right now, if you chew up my shoes, (laughs) it's over!" (NT) -- Jubellant, 10:18:15 04/03/08 Thu
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC VISUAL IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 16:46:47 03/31/08 Mon
  - LOL Wow I am actually picking something for a visual w. out Harm (rarity LOL)... I would have to say what Jennifer suggested: the scene where Mac is laying down the rules for sweet Jingo LOL.... very cute scene!!! :) (NT) -- Kristen, 09:38:59 04/06/08 Sun
- MY VOTE FOR FAVOURITE MAC QUOTE IS: (NT) -- Jubellant, 16:47:24 03/31/08 Mon
- Even though again this was mac lite. i loved her ineraction with jingo. letting a smelly old dog lick her face and she lit up. the bed scene was great. also she just our lawyered mic. (NT) -- Linda R, 00:06:22 04/01/08 Tue
- I love Jubellant's picks but Im torn with the scene of Jingo at the end and Harm with Mac when Harm told her she and Bugme have no chemistry.LOL! (NT) -- mockeymice, 22:53:22 04/03/08 Thu
  - Thanks for the input mockeymice. Drop by anytime! (NT) -- Jubellant, 18:08:02 04/05/08 Sat
- My Favorite Mac Visual: Mac and Jingo in her bed and she's talking to him. My Favorite Mac Quote is: I don't know how this is going to work. Um what I'm saying is that I'm not sure if I'm ready for this sort of committment in my life right now. (Sighs) We'll have to see how it goes. But I have to tell you one thing right now, if you chew up my shoes, (laughs) it's over!" (NT) -- KH, 14:40:30 04/05/08 Sat
  - Thanks for picking these KH, I was hoping someone would so I could just write ditto for my faves LOL! DITTO! (NT) -- Jubellant, 16:45:05 04/05/08 Sat
  - Favorite quote: I don't know how this is going to work. Um what I'm saying is that I'm not sure if I'm ready for this sort of committment in my life right now. (Sighs) We'll have to see how it goes. But I have to tell you one thing right now, if you chew up my shoes, (laughs) it's over!" I agree with KH!!!! :) (NT) -- Kristen, 09:40:08 04/06/08 Sun
Mac and the boss -- jagnut, 10:08:04 03/30/08 Sun
Who do you think Mac had the best working relationship with Admiral Chegwidden or General Cresswell? Which one of the two do you think respected her most?

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- I'm going to have to go with Cresswell.....I think he respected Mac more, he sure seemed more enthusiastic about her capabilities. I don't know if it was a Marine thing, but I honestly think Cresswell respected her more. Don't get me wrong, I loved AJ, but there were times where I think he belittled Mac & definitely treated her inferior, like when he took the high profile case away from her & stuck her with the flying robot because Harm whined. I can't see Cresswell doing that....So I'm going with Cresswell.. (NT) -- Jennifer, 16:54:13 03/31/08 Mon
  - I disagree, -- p, 16:50:07 04/01/08 Tue
    - Cresswell did think that Mac was Marine enough otherwise he wouldn't have assigned the loser Vukovic for her to mentor. Cresswell respected Mac enough to think that she could tame this hothead. I think that the Admiral chose professional smart women. Unfortunately they all came with baggage. The judge had a drunken ex, the doctor a spoiled son and the professor committment issues. The judge was the cream of the crop IMHO and was just the victim of a psycho. The other two might have been competent career wise but in their personal lives had much to work out. This had nothing to do with AJ's communication however he might have paid a bit more attention to their hangups. (NT) -- Jubellant, 17:46:15 04/01/08 Tue
- going to agree with Creswell. AJ treated Mac as a daughter at times and not a USMC officer. he would send her on one of Webb's crazy cases then warn Webb"You better not let anything happen to her". Maybe as Mic said he was a little in love with Mac and was over protective. he made her his chief of staff but shielded her. After mac got over being afraid of Gen Creswell she had a very strong personal and profreesional relationship. Not just officer to officer but friend to friend. he asked her help with his daughter. Had Jag gone on another season we would have seen his persona developed more and he and Mac would have carried Jag just fine. (NT) -- Linda R, 23:51:55 03/31/08 Mon
- I loved AJ, but have to go with Creswell as well. You never knew what to expect from him. When AJ almost took advantage of Mac at her lowpoint, was the biggest flaw that stuck in my craw even if he shelved that impulse. AJ was on Mac's case (kind of like her law professor) to challenge her to rise to her best capabilities. I preferred Cresswell's way. You've been hanging around sailors too long but the condition isn't permanent. He didn't hold a grudge and looked at how far Mac had come since Okinawa. AJ held a grudge, first when she left JAG and even after Mac had acted like Mother Theresa to win his respect back to regain her promation, AJ still doubted her integrity when it came to Singer's alleged planting of evidence in Mac's car. The ultimate trust was with Cresswell's daughter. (NT) -- Jubellant, 09:35:04 04/01/08 Tue
  - Should read 'promotion'. (NT) -- Jubellant, 09:38:01 04/01/08 Tue
  - Disagree, you're comparing apples and oranges -- p, 17:01:16 04/01/08 Tue
    - p you just made my point. AJ and Cresswell were two very distinct people who commanded in different ways. You did not present your disagreement to anything I said you just commented about AJ being a lonely old man and Cresswell being a family man and various opinions about the SECNAV's agenda. AJ did hold a grudge, Cresswell did challenge Mac. The question was who had the best relationship and who respected Mac more. None of this was addressed in your response IMO. (NT) -- Jubellant, 17:36:16 04/01/08 Tue
      - I agree with you that AJ held a grudge....Cresswell, put the past behind & let one's (in this case Mac's) merits & accomplishments say something as opposed to holding a 20 year grudge. Even though he was only on for one season, I think Cresswell respected Mac more, & didn't treat her different because she was a woman. I think AJ did sometimes, like as a woman sometimes Mac wasn't good enough, Cresswell just saw a Marine Officer & treated her with dignity & respect. (NT) -- Jennifer, 09:00:20 04/04/08 Fri
Mac -- jagnut, 19:35:45 03/28/08 Fri
What is the one thing you would like to know most about Mac that the series of JAG didn't cover? For instance are you curious most about her childhood, career, personal life, goals and ambitions, etc.

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- Would have totally loved to have seen Mac's interaction w. grandma- sounds like Mac has alot of her grandma's strength, stubborness :), and passion. Wonder if grandma knew to kickbox? :) Also would have been interested to see flashbacks of Chris and Mac together- was there ever a time Chris did love her or was it just a drunken mistake they make when they got married? Would have loved to see Mac serving in Bosnia-seeing her leadership skills as a kid. Good question jagnut!! :) Hey Jubes I am back to Mac Attack :-) (NT) -- Kristen, 19:39:58 03/28/08 Fri
- kristen you just about covered it. maybe flashback of her late teen when she was wild and fast moving (NT) -- Linda R, 23:48:29 03/28/08 Fri
- I would have liked to know more about Mac's life outside of JAG. We saw Harm play guitar, fly, ride his motorcylce, restore a covette all we saw Mac do was dust a few bones! Saw Harm with Keeter and Sturgis, who did Mac have as former marine friends. Would have liked to see more of her life with Uncle Matt and the positive influence he had on her as well as some of the more positive people who helped Mac become the kick ass marine that she was. Would have loved to see her in more action action shots i.e. maybe when and how she got into kick boxing. (NT) -- Jubellant, 05:24:19 03/29/08 Sat
  - I'm with you, Jubellant. Mac's earlier life would have made good watching, I'm sure, but I'd be more interested in seeing her life outside JAG. Who were her friends? What hobbies did she have? I would have loved to see her just hanging around with Harm, even if there was no 'ship yet. (NT) -- Deemus, 08:54:48 03/29/08 Sat
- i agree. though i think there was plenaty of "ship" going on that we did not see. probably just as well. (NT) -- Linda R, 21:21:51 04/03/08 Thu
Some suggestions are up for this week's Mac Favourites. Voting ends Sunday midnight EST! -- Jubellant, 10:27:55 04/03/08 Thu
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FWAFS -- jagnut, 19:31:40 03/28/08 Fri
In the series finale we see Mac and Harm finally admit to their love for each other. I must admit it could have gone either way especially considering the ten year battle the shippers endured. Can you see a happy ending here where Mac and Harm are not together? If Harm went to London and Mac to San Diego would you have been content with such an ending?

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- Honsetly NO- I had become a shipper from the first time I was introduced to Mac and Harm in Full Engagement. From the start, they were meant to be together- those dang looks they always gave each other- UST so there... Mac was going to be w. Harm or no one else. Well, let me put it this way- had Mac and Harm found other people, married them, I dont think they would have been truly happy. It was like when Harm said to Mac "Mac I dont think I will ever feel about anyone else the way I feel about you". WOW- then Mac's response "that's very flattering. Word of advice, dont share that with your wife, whoever that may be". I just would have felt let down. So I was glad and relieved DPB got his six out of his head and got Ninja Girl and Flyboy together where they belong :) (NT) -- Kristen, 19:44:10 03/28/08 Fri
- If JAG had continued with JAG San Diego, I doubt that we would have seen that ending. I'm glad that we never saw the coin land as Mac would have probably been the loser. These two were destined to be together. I felt their chemistry from day one and knew we would be in for a great ride. If Mac and Harm had been paired with some worthy significant others, I could have seen them as being happy but still very much involved with each other and bantering back and forth like siblings. I say this because of the scene with H&M...(Well, how long have you been seeing her? How long have you been seeing Brumby? I'm not seeing him. What'd you do after dinnner? What'd you do?) These two were just priceless together. If the series ended with them being separated I would have felt EXTREMELY cheated! (NT) -- Jubellant, 05:17:06 03/29/08 Sat
- Me three--Harm and Mac not together at the end (or at least a suggestion of their getting together after a possible work separation) would never have meant a happy ending for me. As for JAG: SD (or JAG: STD, as someone dubbed it) at least as presented to us, was a cheap, sleazy proposition. Having Mac go elsewhere for her own command could have been a good premise, but TPTB were clearing thinking T&A, judging from what they showed us. (NT) -- Deemus, 09:01:17 03/29/08 Sat
  - ...ummm...that's "...clearLY thinking..." (NT) -- ditto, 09:02:19 03/29/08 Sat
  - Far better the show be cancelled than for them to go there. I always thought JAG was very respectful about the military and I would not have approved of a military show that wasn't respectful of the military. As far as Mac and Vic go they could not have gone there without breaking all sorts of rules. (NT) -- jagnut, 10:03:41 03/30/08 Sun
- I don't think either Harm or Mac would have been happy if they did not even try a relationship, because they both wanted one so much. And they were happiest when they were with or clost to each other, so being separated would have made both of them miserable. (NT) -- NanaSue, 09:27:52 04/01/08 Tue
Finally Voy is back!! Okay the results for Favourite Mac Visual and Favourite Mac Quote for the episode 'The Return' are in. The Favourite Mac Visual was a three way tie, Mac's warm attitude to Harm when he calls Jordan, Mac's discussion with Harm re: her promotion and Mac challenging Harm to step up to the plate with his defense strategy. The Favourite Mac Quote was "Admiral, I don't see a settlement here. I see a battle of wills between two pig-headed sailors, referring of course to Lieutenant Nelson and Commander Burke!" Thanks once again to all who participated. -- Jubellant, 16:37:39 03/31/08 Mon
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- Whew and all this time Im thinking there's something wrong with my internet provider. Im glad its back. (NT) -- Amber, 18:34:20 03/31/08 Mon
Mac and Gunny -- jagnut, 10:36:27 03/22/08 Sat
In season 5 we are beginning to see Mac and Gunny's working relationship. What did you think about Mac and Gunny? I was really impressed by how they worked together and loved the episodes with both of them what did you think?
If the show had not ended the way that it did would you have watched a "jag san diego" type show with Mac and Gunny as the main characters?

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- I would have watched JAG SD because of Mac. It would have been even better if Gunny was more involved. If it warped into Vukovic as top dog I'd really have to think hard. TPTB had to make Mac seriously put the Vuk in his place before I might have been able to stomach him. (NT) -- Jubellant (Thanks for the FAV visuals Jagnut), 10:51:53 03/22/08 Sat
  - I think if Vukovic and his gang had been introduced right it wouldn't have been so bad. You know like NCIS which was shown over two hours to interest us. If Harm and Mac had gone on an investigation in the San Diego area and had worked with them for a couple of weeks, it wouldn't have been so bad. Vic might have been alright if we saw him seven months later, but unfortunately we saw too much of him and saw that he wasn't worth watching. If they had waited to show case him, it could have been done better. JAG-SD could have been a much different show than JAG. Of course having hound dogging after Mac like Mic was definitely a poor thought process. Very few like Mic with Mac. (NT) -- p, 18:11:52 03/23/08 Sun
- They were a great team. I prefer a married Harm and Mac and then they introduced the younger Jag. (NT) -- Leda, 13:03:29 03/22/08 Sat
- Like all things that Jag added in the last few years most of them were not needed -- p, 14:01:37 03/22/08 Sat
- They understood each other a little better than other people who worked with both of them. I don't know if it was the comraderie of the Marines and having that in common, but they seemed to never have to explain anything. They clicked. (NT) -- Theresa, 21:15:55 03/23/08 Sun
- I loved Gunny! He was probably my favorite recurring character....It's a shame that the actor had his role eliminated due to "budgetary" issues because of contractual issues, its a shame he was let go. I think Gunny and Mac had a very healthy respect for the other. Mac being an officer treated Gunny more like an equal, & realized what a valuable resource he was. Gunny didn't treat Mac any different because she was a woman, he respected her & her abilities. My favorite eps are the ones in which Mac & Gunny worked together...Guilt, New Gun in Town. Gunny was great! (NT) -- Jennifer, 16:59:41 03/31/08 Mon
CB has updated her site. -- Jubellant, 11:41:16 03/29/08 Sat
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- Thanks. (NT) -- DavidL, 14:38:27 03/29/08 Sat

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