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Date Posted: 04:45:02 08/20/07 Mon
Author: Joan
Author Host/IP: ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net / 68.0.253.131
Subject: Religion and illegal immigration

I'm copying just the first part of the story. What's your opinion on this? Should a church shelter illegal immigrants? Is it their Christian duty?

And what of parent/child seperation because of deportation? Whould a parent be allowed to stay when the child is a citizen?

IMO, the church should be charged. The parent has the right to take her child w/ her to Mexico, so the seperation complaint has no merit.

Joan

"LOS ANGELES (Associated Press) -- An immigration activist who took refuge in a Chicago church for a year to avoid being separated from her son has been deported to Mexico, the church's pastor said.

Elvira Arellano was arrested Sunday afternoon outside Our Lady Queen of Angels church in Los Angeles. She was deported several hours later, said the Rev. Walter Coleman, pastor of Adalberto United Methodist Church in Chicago, where Arellano had taken refuge.

"She has been deported. She is free and in Tijuana," said Coleman, who said he spoke to her on the phone. "She is in good spirits. She is ready to continue the struggle against the separation of families from the other side of the border."

Messages left with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials were not immediately returned.

Arellano, 32, became a symbol of the struggles of illegal immigrant parents when she took refuge in the church to avoid being separated from her 8-year-old son Saul, who was born in the U.S. and is thus a citizen."

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[> Re: Religion and illegal immigration -- Catie, 05:26:42 08/20/07 Mon [1] (h69.42.91.75.ip.alltel.net/75.91.42.69)

I agree. The church should be held accountable. Christ said render unto God the things that are God's and unto Caesar the things that are his. Government and religion- that's a volatile mix. The problem is the law should be changed. When someone is born to illegal parents, it shouldn't be enough to make them a legal citizen, only because they were born in a particular country.

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[> [> There are exceptions, of course. -- Joan, 06:30:22 08/20/07 Mon [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)

If someone's life is in danger, a church and individuals have the right to shelter him.

I don't think it really matters that the child is a citizen. We don't need to change the law, because the parents are never forbidden to take the children w/ them.

But maybe I don't know all the facts, now that I've opened my big mouth. :-)

Will Mexico allow a non-citizen to live w/ a citizen parent? Are children of Mexican citizens considered citizens wherever they're born?

Either way, it's the parents' choice to illegally cross the border to have a baby here. They do that because they think they'll be able to stay if their kids are citizens. That should never be allowed.

Joan

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[> [> [> Re: There are exceptions, of course. -- Catie, 07:10:54 08/20/07 Mon [1] (h69.42.91.75.ip.alltel.net/75.91.42.69)

And if the parent is deported, who do you think picks up the tab to care for that child left behind? Because our son in law is self-employeed,(family business) and the dentist our daugher works for doesn't offer insurance, it cost our daughter and son in law a small fortune just to have some medical attention for Makayla. Nobody is paying it for them!

Some folks will risk coming here just to have a baby not only in hopes of remaining, but to have free/better medical care. Except it's not free when the taxpayers are being squeezed!

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[> [> [> [> Ilegals can not obtain welfare... -- Lynn, 08:34:04 08/20/07 Mon [1] (ip72-193-232-42.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.232.42)

not even legal resident aliens can recieve benefits unless they are a citizen. I had a friend who was legal resident and needed assistance and they would not give it to her because she was not a citizen. They gave benefits to her children because they were, but not to her. So what the illegals are doing are getting assistance for their children, but not themselves. I think with the immigration laws gettin tougher, things around here will change. One can hope for a miracle. Mike and Debbie are also facing the same challenges with insurance for Kimmy and Mikey. It's just not fair.

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[> [> [> [> [> I'm out of the loop--or my memory is going *again*. -- Joan, 09:34:48 08/20/07 Mon [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)

If you've posted about Mike and Debbie before, please excuse my lousy memory. Can you fill me in on the story?

Joan

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Mike is my son and Debbie is my daughter in law... -- Lynn, 11:30:20 08/20/07 Mon [1] (ip72-193-232-42.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.232.42)

Kimmy and Mikey are my grandkids. Sorry, I thought you knew that from Catie's forum.

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[> Re: Religion and illegal immigration -- Lynn, 08:30:15 08/20/07 Mon [1] (ip72-193-232-42.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.232.42)

Okay I turned my pc back on < Sorry Catie >.

It's wrong in plain English. When the illegals are crossing the border, they are thinking if they give birth and make their children legal US citizens that they will be able to stay in the country. They are misinformed. If the parents get deported back to Mexico, the children must go with them. They have the choice to stay there or when they are of legal age, to come and live in the US. The parents should have learned about the laws of the United States before crossing the border. Too many illegals think this way, but it's not so.

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[> [> Lynn, also -- catie, 09:23:54 08/20/07 Mon [1] (h69.42.91.75.ip.alltel.net/75.91.42.69)

right here, where illegals are in no short supply, it's a fact that one legal working guy will sign up a host of family members claiming them as his own, in order to get them medical coverage. Terry's insurance premiums doubled at work because of the many who were getting by doing that very thing. I hope anyone reading this doesn't think I'm outright prejudice. That's not the case at all. But if I'm judged as such, then so be it. But, I know of which I speak and God knows my heart. There are good and bad in all races. But because of the illegals here, the unemployement of the average worker has risen. A carpet mill owner can get an illegal to do work, pay only cash and get by without paying benefits he would have to pay a citizen. I have seen it all first hand. Of course some of the companies are being fined for such actions, but don't kid yourself, it's all about good ole boys scratching the other's backs. Goverment officials will turn a deaf ear if there is money in it for them.

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[> [> I don't know how someone could see your post as prejudiced. -- Joan, 09:44:02 08/20/07 Mon [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)

You're talking about someone's criminal behavior (making false dependants claims) not their race or religion. You aren't saying that you won't associate with them because of their race or religion. You're saying that your fed-up with the cheating that goes on and the high price we all have to pay because of it. This is a far cry from saying that you won't talk to a person of Mexican descent because Illegal immigrant Mexicans steal (steal into the country, steal ins benefits, steal work, etc).

I think all races and religions have had their share of criminal immigrants--legal and illegal. The English that were first sent to the new world weren't exactly the cream of the crop. America was a nice dumping ground for the undesireables of the London streets. Then those with the means, used other human beings as slaves!

The Irish and Italians in the Northeastern cities had their own brand of crime.

They all did. These people come here with nothing, and they do whatever they can. Some of them aren't honest, and they'll do whatever is easiest or the most exciting--crime appeals to some.

There's nothing prejudice about saying that you think crime is wrong.

Joan

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[> [> [> Same here Catie... -- Lynn, 11:38:14 08/20/07 Mon [1] (ip72-193-232-42.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.232.42)

Joan is right in what she is saying. I blame the government. Person A is on the system, and tells Person B if they do this or that, they can get on the system too. Person B tells Person C, and it's an endless cycle. Same with the immigrants. Person A comes to America, is lucky to get a job making $8 an hour. Person A calls his family and friends back home, and ewwww and ahhhhh over the extreme amount of money Person A is making. Other's follow Person A's lead and start coming to America also. Then they do the same and before you know it, the entire country has moved into the USA. If the government would have put a stop to all this, non of what's going on today would be a problem. The people know the tricks and will use it to their advantage. When the government puts a stop to all this, watch and see how many illegal immigrants will want to go back home.

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[> [> [> Please excuse all the errors in that post. -- Joan, 12:56:32 08/20/07 Mon [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)

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[> [> [> [> Re: That's OK Joan. Dont worrry, we're gettin' used to them...LOL -- Phil, 14:49:39 08/20/07 Mon [1] (71-38-101-56.phnx.qwest.net/71.38.101.56)

But since you're running this forum in such a flawless manner, we'll excuse your numerous errors. LoL.

Phil

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