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Date Posted: 04:03:02 08/07/07 Tue
Author: Joan
Author Host/IP: ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net / 68.0.253.131
Subject: Ashes to Ashes
Did you hear about the yard sale mishap? :-)
A woman accidently sold a ceramic frog w/ the ashes of her husband's first wife inside. Yikes!
It's funny, 'cuz it's not my relatvie. :-)
What do you think of cremation vs burial.
The Catholic Church says that if you are cremated, the ashes have to be buried in a Catholic cemetary. I'm beginning to understand their thinking. How many people's remains have been lost to some crazy mistake like the yard sale blunder. How many people's ashes end up in a landfill when someone throws an ugly object away, not remembering that it contains Uncle Harry's remains?
What do you think? Is burial important. Does it matter to you if someone's ashes end up in the garbage? (I'm guessing that the person who bought the ceramic frog was used as an ash tray and threw the ashes in the garbage. I know that's what I would have thought and done."
What about you? Do you plan to be buried? Cremated?
Joan
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Re: Ashes to Ashes -- Catie, 05:02:06 08/07/07 Tue [1] (h166.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net/151.213.243.166)
Oh my Gosh!! That is funny and upsetting at the same time!
I told my family it doesn't matter to me, but I do think cremation makes more sense. It is fast,cleaner,and cheaper. Besides, embalming stems from an Egyptian practice ( I think) and if you think about it, it's so silly. I don't like the idea of someone else dressing me up like a doll, putting make-up on me, fixing my hair to suit them, then place me on display for all to view. Honestly that seems so ridiculous. But then again I'm just one voice. My family has carte blanche to do whatever makes them happy after I'm gone. The body is not important for it will fade (a nicer term)away.
But hubby says he refuses to have me cremated if I go first! He has commented on the very thing you speak of Joan. Also he says there's no guarantee the crematory will not give him someone else's ashes included with mine. After the horrible fiasco that happened a couple of years ago, very nearby, (where the crematorium operator was stock piling bodies instead of cremating,then giving false ashes to families), it solidified his argument. lol
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I wonder if the yard sale mishap was an accident! lol................. -- Barb, 08:10:36 08/07/07 Tue [1] (clgrtnt2-port-70.dial.telus.net/161.184.42.70)
Jews are not suppose to be cremated, only buried. I don't know the reason for that....must look it up. I'm not sure what I prefer. The family left behind may want somewhere to "visit" with the deceased. I feel a sense that my dad is still with us when I visit his grave. I know that's foolish but the mind likes to play tricks, doesn't it! My mom is buried, but in Israel where she died. What you reason here about cremation though, makes a good deal of sense.
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Barb, -- Catie, 08:28:31 08/07/07 Tue [1] (h166.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net/151.213.243.166)
Your feeling about your Dad is not silly. We all feel that way about our lost loved ones. You are only reacting in a normal way. (Hey you don't you need me to tell you that you are normal did you? lol)
If you will allow me: the Jewish practice of not embalming nor cremating is connected to the resurrection. I'm not 100% clear how, but it is because of the bodily resurecction. Some Jewish sects are more accepting of the cremation but the remains must be buried and not scattered or kept.
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Actually, Catie........... -- Barb, 10:24:25 08/07/07 Tue [1] (clgrtnt3-port-157.dial.telus.net/161.184.44.157)
Jews are buried to show honour for the body that housed the spirit, and the breath of God. Traditions says that Jews must be reunited with the soil as soon as possible and that is why Jews are usually buried within 24 hours of death. Coffins have no metal, and there are only rope handles and wooden pegs. There are holes at the base of the coffin to allow the body to connect with the earth. All Jews, whether they be rich or poor are buried in a simple wooden coffin. Nowadays there are more Jews being cremated though. No doubt those who are not religious.
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Barb -- catie, 10:33:51 08/07/07 Tue [1] (h166.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net/151.213.243.166)
Sorry about that. I stand corrected. I was going on the information from our friends who live in Israel. Remember I told about our American friend who died over there and was buried over there? She was buried without embalming and I recall someone mentioned cremation, perhaps something she had wished for herself while in American, but it was a definite no there in Israel. Somehow I had the notion we were told it was because of a Jewish tradition and a ressurection of spirit and body, (which I know is not the same as the protestants belief of Christ returning to earth) So I was obviously very confused. lol sorry! Our friend was indeed buried there in a very plain wooden box and within 24 hours of death. The family actually prepared her body unlike here in the states where a funeral parlor prepares them.
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Yikes Barb -- Catie, 10:46:36 08/07/07 Tue [1] (h166.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net/151.213.243.166)
May I blame my absurd answer on heavy drugs?? lol
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Re: Ashes to Ashes -- Neysa, 10:11:09 08/07/07 Tue [1] (user-2inik4d.dialup.mindspring.com/165.121.80.141)
I plan to be buried. The Catholic Church was against cremation for many years. Infact, years ago when my mom's brother died he was cremated. At the time it was againt the Catholic Church. He no longer practiced the Catholic Faith. My mom still would not attend his funeral.
The Catholic Church had to change its views, because in Europe, in some places there is only room for cremated remains.
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Re: Ashes to Ashes -- Lynn, 10:49:37 08/07/07 Tue [1] (ip72-193-232-42.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.232.42)
I always wanted to be cremated, but the LDS church doesn't accept it. I guess when I die, i'll leave it up to my family to decide. I just cant stand the thought of being put in the ground with all that vermin...ICK!
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Catie, they statred embalming because many people long ago were buried alive! -- Neysa, 14:37:09 08/07/07 Tue [1] (user-38lci3k.dialup.mindspring.com/209.86.72.116)
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oops! I meant to say started -- Neysa, 16:35:42 08/07/07 Tue [1] (user-2inik8p.dialup.mindspring.com/165.121.81.25)
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