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Re: A question on authority -- Catie, 10:47:10 07/24/07 Tue [1] (h166.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net/151.213.243.166)
Joan, because I am short on time, (honest not a cop-out)I will say on God's authority. Men who wrote the bible of course, but on God's authority.
Likewise I would turn the question around to you. On whose authority do you accept the canon? Why do you accept more than just the bible, per se? On whose authority do you include more books?
Not trying to be fiesty, honest. We can discuss this further in depth maybe at a later time. I'm in too big of a hurry today. I'm trying to answer all the questions at least a little bit before I scoot out.
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Number of books -- Joan, 14:26:53 07/24/07 Tue [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)
I'm short on time today, too. If I hurry up I can finish that sweater I need to have done by weekend after next.
There's one question I can answer quickly, though.
"On whose authority do you include more books?"
We don't include more books. After the Reformation, books were thrown out. The authority that determined the canon that included all of the books, is the one that included the fewer number of books that Protestants accept. Catholics use the books of the OT that Jesus and the other Jews in the area used at Jesus' time.
That's why I asked the question about authority. I can't figure, if Protestants accept some of the books set by the canon, they don't accept all of them? At a later date, someone (a person or a group) must have decided which to include and which to throw out, to choose another version of the OT. I don't know who that person or group was, though. Luther maybe? I know that he didn't like any scripture that supported doctrines that he disagreed with, but was he the one who decided to use a different version of the Bible?
Joan
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Re: Number of books -- Catie, 05:30:55 07/25/07 Wed [1] (h166.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net/151.213.243.166)
Wow, I wish I could knitt. I admire you for being able to do so. Knitted blankets and especially sweaters can be so beautiful. I tried crocheting once. I managed to make a straight line and nothing more. Grrr!
Protestants accept the 66 books which make up the bible. The bible was not the result of any pronouncement by any one official of the church or any organizational body. Rather, it was determined by the authoritative use of these books right from the start by the church of the first and second centuries.
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But the books were voted on. -- Joan, 05:51:53 07/25/07 Wed [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)
To decide which books to include and which to not to include, people met, discussed, and then voted.
Are you saying that no one ever sat down and decided which would be included?
If something was determined, someone had to determine it.
But who was it who decided that the Canon set wasn't right? And why did they choose those particular books, and parts of books to throw out?
Do all Protestant denominations agree on which books should be included? Have they always agreed.
Many questions, and I'm about to fall asleep, so please excuse anything that doens't make sense. :-)
Joan
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Re: But the books were voted on. -- Catie, 11:43:41 07/25/07 Wed [1] (h166.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net/151.213.243.166)
To my knowledge all protestants accept the bible as the 66 books only.
As far as taking away or adding books, I understand where you are coming from and I am afraid my answer will not be enough to satisfy you for now. One is because it has been ages since I studied the history of how the protestant bible came about, and there is a LOT of history to it. Throughout time it has been a sore spot among Christian denominations. The other is because this very issue has been at the heart of Catholicism vs. Protestantism for centuries. It is what was the beginning of a great divide. I would say Martin Luther played the larger role in the protestants acceptence of scriptures, but there are also other aspects as well. I will have to go back to my books or try to do a search on the net. To my recollection there were those in the Orthodox and Catholic churches that accepted and rejected some scripture as well. There was a meeting at Carthage around 137 (around that time) which was a scene of conflict. I apologize. I can't sufficiently remember all the facts but I will get you a sufficient answer as time permits me to go back and find my notes.
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