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Subject: The truth is out about Michael Hannah. Apparently several affidavits have been filed about his "qualifications" and are on the docket. The USA fans are all over this with several insta sites posting the affidavits. Seems like the comments here about him being creepy AND incompetent are true, so much so that people are swearing to it under oath!!! I guess your options are pretty low when you have to sell your soul to Straub. Bye Felicia!

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Subject: The Miss Northeastern PA pageant is today. The girl who has a restraining order against her will be giving up her crown and competing for a new one.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:14:34 10/12/24 Sat (NoHost/74.118.138.198) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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So what??? (NT) -- No name, 20:55:15 10/12/24 Sat (196-13-31-64.static.reverse.lstn.net/64.31.13.196) What do you want to happen by posting this? (NT) -- No name, 22:06:50 10/12/24 Sat (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) She shouldn't be competing...PERIOD. (NT) -- No name, 23:26:13 10/16/24 Wed (c-98-41-68-45.hsd1.ca.comcast.net/98.41.68.45) What is the purpose of your posting this? (NT) -- No name, 22:11:21 10/12/24 Sat (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) To remind the rest of us what a PoS organization looks like. The Miss PA board should have its proverbial hide handed to it in a court of law for not yanking that crown (NT) -- No name, 10:06:44 10/13/24 Sun (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) Oh please, Ohio says hold my beer (NT) -- No name, 19:13:06 10/13/24 Sun (NoHost/98.159.224.149) Last I checked, Ohio didn't have a girl with a restraining order against her for terroristic threats competing. Has that changed? IF not, then STFU with that nonsense. It's not at all the same (NT) -- No name, 00:03:33 10/14/24 Mon (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) Just an update and curious to see what happens… considering most of us think she should have lost her local title to begin with… did she win again? (NT) -- No name, 22:21:03 10/12/24 Sat (209-151-149-251.us-nyc1.upcloud.host/209.151.149.251) Why can she compete? -- No name, 04:33:12 10/20/24 Sun (214.sub-174-249-82.myvzw.com/174.249.82.214) There is irrefutable evidence Victoria did not send txt, -- No name, 04:37:20 10/20/24 Sun (214.sub-174-249-82.myvzw.com/174.249.82.214) Where was this irrefutable evidence found? And who sent the text? (NT) -- No name, 08:36:26 10/20/24 Sun (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) Victoria did not send those txts -- No name, 13:19:32 10/20/24 Sun (c-174-59-115-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net/174.59.115.208) Police want to speak with abuser. Their number is 570-696-1175 -- No name, 13:23:20 10/20/24 Sun (c-174-59-115-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net/174.59.115.208) Wait, you want us to believe that the police don't know how to get in touch with someone?! Not just that, but someone who is pretty prolific and open on social media? Do you expect us to believe they have no earthly idea how to get a hold of Robyn? Because that's pretty ridiculous (NT) -- No name, 16:21:05 10/20/24 Sun (ns560559.ip-54-39-107.net/54.39.107.46) I’m just going to assume that there is no proof your daughter is innocent since you refuse to actually provide any evidence that she is. And calling Robyn an abuser is absolutely ridiculous. She literally HAS A RESTRAINING ORDER against your kid. If the police really wanted to get ahold of her they would have by now. I would also assume that this “investigation” you keep bringing up is phony and that nothing is happening because there is nothing to be done. (NT) -- No name, 00:54:37 10/22/24 Tue (NoHost/128.14.201.54) I do not understand why a person under this kind of judicial sanction is being allowed to compete. If we were discussing rumours or gossip that was not on the public record my reaction would be different. LM (NT) -- No name, 07:37:59 10/13/24 Sun (c-75-70-175-167.hsd1.co.comcast.net/75.70.175.167) Victoria Vespico is now Miss Northeastern PA 2025 (NT) -- No name, 09:58:58 10/13/24 Sun (171-165-64-139.clients.gthost.com/139.64.165.171) How in holy hell can this happen?!?!?! How?!?! Why are the other contestants putting up with this sham?! What's happening with the lawsuit Robyn was supposed to file? (NT) -- No name, 10:13:48 10/13/24 Sun (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) Well she just had breast lump removal surgery last week and is in Maine doing hair and makeup for another pageant at the moment. She’s judging miss Hanover in central Pa next weekend though. I can talk to her then and get an update! I know her lawyers are working multiple cases at the moment because they’re mainly high profile political lawyers, one represented Kesha in her case, and are working Robyn’s case pro bono since she’s friends with one of them. So it’s probably that her case is less of a priority than the ones they’re getting paid for at the moment. (NT) -- No name, 11:40:35 10/13/24 Sun (NoHost/107.115.17.111) The contestant number for NEPA DROPPED tremendously… multiple girls have already stated they won’t be returning to Miss Pa Org at all this year. After what the NEPA directors said to Robyn on a phone recording (telling her to stop playing the victim), what Dawn posted on this board about the multiple victims “being the real bullies” and the way they treated her and the other titleholders this year, I’m not surprised. They only crowned one teen and one Miss, most previous years they crown three Miss. Plus they haven’t posted anything about Victoria winning on social media which leads me to assume they don’t want the backlash because people were posting on their page about asking them to yank her crown before. Can you imagine how the public would react now? Absolutely ridiculous they’re letting her compete. What if it was their daughter she hit? What if it was their daughters that were getting death threats? I honestly don’t understand. (NT) -- No name, 15:00:16 10/13/24 Sun (NoHost/162.120.70.145) Complain to the NEPA directors about all this (NT) -- No name, 15:51:56 10/13/24 Sun (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) They already know. They testified on Victorias behalf in the trial and are the ones that are victim shaming the girls. Dawn literally came in this board and told the victims to stop complaining and said they were the real bullies by speaking out about this. She even put her name next to it. (NT) -- No name, 16:06:32 10/13/24 Sun (NoHost/107.115.17.112) NEPA actually crowned 2 Miss on Saturday. It Victoria's Sister Queen from last year, so they literally just swapped titles this year. The Miss Lancaster Scholarship Organization made a post on their page announcing the winners with their images. It is an absolute embarrassment that she was allowed to compete and earn another opportunity to compete at Miss PA next year. (NT) -- No name, 13:53:16 10/14/24 Mon (ue.tmodns.net/172.56.28.157) She is a criminal/ she should not be allowed to compete / Someone is asking for a lawsuit and l hope that they lose everything (NT) -- No name, 04:06:46 10/14/24 Mon (53.sub-174-193-133.myvzw.com/174.193.133.53) Restraining orders are civil court mandates, not criminal court convictions. This means no crime was committed, so legally speaking, Victoria is not a "criminal." (NT) -- (don't shoot the messenger), 11:30:51 10/14/24 Mon (NoHost/172.59.227.172) Oh good lord. It does NOT mean no crime was committed. It means she hasn't been tried and found guilty for a crime...yet (NT) -- No name, 13:45:26 10/14/24 Mon (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) Remember: Facts Are Facts. Civil courts do not handle criminal cases, so anything that leads to a restraining order is not legally classified as a crime. Even if someone sues Victoria for her appalling misbehavior and wins a financial settlement, she still wouldn't be labeled a "criminal" because the matter would again be resolved in a civil court. Our opinions are just speculative at best. Having said that, my opinion is that she hasn't been sued yet because everyone is waiting for the district attorney to decide if there is enough evidence to have her arrested and prosecuted for a crime. If that happens and she is found guilty, then she will indeed be a criminal. Subsequently, the young women she injured will have a much better chance of a favorable outcome in civil court. (NT) -- No name, 16:31:50 10/14/24 Mon (NoHost/172.59.227.172) 100% Agree with you, but the court granting the restraining order should of been enough to disqualify Victoria from competing for Miss PA as it is in all the contestants contract that bullying is grounds for removal from the competition. It has been proven in a court of law that Victoria did in fact send the threatening text messages and no one from Victoria's side has given any explanation to her innocence. (NT) -- No name, 16:50:24 10/14/24 Mon (ue.tmodns.net/172.56.28.157) Yes, facts are facts, and the statement "This means no crime was committed" is objectively FALSE. It may be your opinion that no crime was committed, but it most certainly is NOT fact. Someone having a restraining order against them does not automatically mean no crime was committed (NT) -- No name, 00:00:08 10/15/24 Tue (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) AGAIN...it is important to remember that legally, Victoria is not a criminal until she has been arrested, charged, and convicted of a crime. Any verbal or written comments suggesting otherwise could give her legitimate grounds to claim abuse and take legal action against those making such statements. Victoria and her supporters could very easily use the fact that this board is being used to vilify, humiliate, and incite hatred against her (almost the full definition of a hate crime) to turn her into a martyr. Why don't we give the PA legal system time to put their case together? After all, she really doesn't need our help to ruin her life - she's done that all on her own. (NT) -- No name, 17:28:11 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/172.59.227.172) I doubt anyone is actually scared of her. Anything she tries to sue for will only expose more of her own texts. Can't win a suit if everything said is true. You should look up how the martyrdom worked out for a girl named Katy Johnson who was a former Miss VT (NT) -- No name, 23:30:20 10/16/24 Wed (ns560559.ip-54-39-107.net/54.39.107.46) Just because it didn't work for Katy doesn't mean acting the martyr hasn't worked out for untold numbers around the world for decades. Add to that the fact that Katy really didn't have the built-in fan base Victoria already has despite her actions.. Finally, your assertion that inappropriate behavior would be excused in court because it was in response to worse inappropriate behavior is SO wrong on SO many levels that it has eliminated you as a credible voice on this issue. (NT) -- No name, 16:31:04 10/19/24 Sat (NoHost/172.59.227.172) Ummm, when did I say that bad behavior would be excused? Not once did I say that. I think you totally miss the comparison to Katy J. Katy J's boyfriend wrote a tell-all about her just after she gave up her crown. Katy sued for defamation. She was then found to be a liar when the ex-boyfriend published photos to document everything he said. Same will happen in this case if the young lady in question sues. Robyn has the receipts, clearly. That's how she got the restraining order (NT) -- No name, 10:47:47 10/20/24 Sun (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) So if you read the news stories or listen to the interviews Robyn did, she’s been pushing for this to be investigated more. The police keep saying no because they believe it’s just girls being catty. The officer that took her initial police report even testified that he thought it was just a case of a girl being jealous and catty. That’s why Robyn went civil instead of criminal. Even with the trace of the messages back to her phone number and email, the police refused to do more. (NT) -- No name, 14:54:43 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/162.120.70.145) What do the people responding to this post want to happen? What do they expect to happen by responding (NT) -- No name, 23:23:06 10/13/24 Sun (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) Perhaps we just want to vent about how the Miss PA Org condones criminal threats and bullying? Is that okay with you, message board cop? (NT) -- No name, 00:06:51 10/14/24 Mon (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) And venting is supposed to accomplish what??? (NT) -- No name, 00:47:15 10/14/24 Mon (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) It accomplishes me writing words and conveying my message. What exactly are you accomplishing by playing message board cop? (NT) -- No name, 13:46:12 10/14/24 Mon (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) Seems to me people on this message board want Victoria gone by their continued posting, but that has not happened… It is like you general you are spinning your wheels… If everything you have done has not produced the results you want, what does your continued venting accomplish? Food for thought (NT) -- No name, 14:11:44 10/14/24 Mon (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) Ok, let's flip the script. Please tell us in your opinion why Victoria should be allowed to have a Local MAO Title continue to compete for Miss Pennsylvania? I will really want to hear what the other side's defense is and have an open discussion about it. (NT) -- No name, 14:38:47 10/14/24 Mon (ue.tmodns.net/172.56.28.157) I do not follow Victoria (NT) -- No name, 14:51:41 10/14/24 Mon (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) So if you do not know anything about her or the situation why are you tell us to ignore it and go away? Let me ask you this, if you have a daughter would you still allow her to compete for an organization who has a contestant that, Bullied, Stalked, and made Death Threats to at least 6 other contestants and that organization did nothing about it? Our post will never get Victoria kicked out of the competition but if no one comes out to compete that could make a difference. Our post are there to inform potential parents and women of what is happening so they can strongly consider not competing for Miss PA. No Contestants = No Competition. (NT) -- No name, 15:01:20 10/14/24 Mon (ue.tmodns.net/172.56.28.157) Make an informed decision or strongly consider? Hopefully this is out of the kindness of your heart (NT) -- No name, 15:34:02 10/14/24 Mon (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) I am going to say "Strongly Consider" because at the end of the day, non of this happens if the Miss Pennsylvania Scholarship Foundation would just do their job and protect their contestants. Victoria has a long history of not just bulling Robyn, but several other girls. Their so-called ED, has created a culture in Miss PA that allows for this terrible behavior and the leadership of Miss PA needs to be held responsible and be removed. (NT) -- No name, 16:55:46 10/14/24 Mon (ue.tmodns.net/172.56.28.157) If the Miss PA organization is not going to do anything about the issue, then what does venting here accomplish? (NT) -- No name, 23:22:24 10/14/24 Mon (51.sub-174-218-211.myvzw.com/174.218.211.51) The same thing that your incessant nagging accomplishes (NT) -- No name, 00:04:30 10/15/24 Tue (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) What does your lecturing us accomplish exactly? You think we're going to suddenly say "oh, poster 1024678 told us we should move on, so let's go skip on to the millionth thread about the court case or how bad Gretchen was or how Sam shouldn't have been in charge or how big Mallory is? Thanks, but no thanks for the advice. I already have a mother (NT) -- No name, 00:02:55 10/15/24 Tue (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) It is evident that the Miss PA organization does not want to make the proper changes based on their actions… Obviously the Miss PA organization does not care… No one can make them care… The Miss PA organization will make changes if and when they want to… While it is commendable that you and others care about what is happening, none of you can make the Miss PA organization care about this if the simply do not care (NT) -- No name, 02:19:40 10/17/24 Thu (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) Thank you ma'am. I have no idea what your point is, but thank you for stating the obvious (NT) -- No name, 23:32:09 10/17/24 Thu (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) It is about the moaning, groaning and bitching... Doing that will not change anything unless the Miss PA organization wants to change (NT) -- No name, 22:50:21 10/18/24 Fri (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) The obvious is stated yet the people here continue to bash, bitch, moan, groan and complain... You would think that by stating the obvious people would realize that their doing this accomplishes nothing, yet it continues (NT) -- No name, 22:59:05 10/18/24 Fri (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) Correct. You know why? Because we are adults with minds of our own and plenty capable of deciding what we want to post. Now why don't you run along if you're so over our posts? I'm sure there are plenty of threads repeating the same 10 lines about the court case that you can get involved in and try to change the world (NT) -- No name, 00:21:53 10/19/24 Sat (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) I am not trying to change the world (NT) -- No name, 05:20:30 10/19/24 Sat (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) I am not the only one who is so over your posts... Other posters have mentioned the moaning, groaning, complaining and bitching as well.. Tell those posters to run along as well (NT) -- No name, 17:16:24 10/19/24 Sat (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) We live in a world filled with HATE. Many peopple just have a goal to lash ouot their hate on others. I think it is because htey are unhappy people. Just my two cents. (NT) -- No name, 11:33:55 10/14/24 Mon (75-144-226-225-Tallahassee.hfc.comcastbusiness.net/75.144.226.225) Sad (NT) -- No name, 12:07:06 10/14/24 Mon (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) Yes, you described this contestant perfectly. Only a very troubled young woman would send death threats to others (NT) -- No name, 13:47:34 10/14/24 Mon (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) In The News (NT) -- No name, 16:49:35 10/14/24 Mon (NoHost/172.59.227.172) If you have any questions about this contestant (she/her) being employed by the Girl Scouts (NOT your mom's Girls Scouts?), then perhaps you should drop a line to https://www.girlscouts.org/en/footer/contact-us.html The website also has "Voter Guidance," which I can just imagine! Did I hear correctly that they will merge with Boy Scouts so as not to discriminate against multi genders IJS (NT) -- No name, 21:08:17 10/14/24 Mon (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) Seems like you have an underlying agenda that goes well beyond warning others not to compete as well as getting them not to compete… Seems that you want “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth” (NT) -- No name, 23:35:10 10/14/24 Mon (51.sub-174-218-211.myvzw.com/174.218.211.51) Some of us just want accountability. This young lady does not deserve that crown. Only someone of exceptionally poor moral character would threaten other contestants (NT) -- No name, 00:07:31 10/15/24 Tue (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) Then tell all of that to the PA organization (NT) -- No name, 00:20:25 10/15/24 Tue (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) Don't you think people know that? But when a state board is corrupt enough to sweep something this serious under the rug, they should be called out publicly for it and the rest of the pageant community should be made aware (NT) -- No name, 18:59:54 10/16/24 Wed (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) Are you hoping that by publicly calling out the PA organization for what they are doing will cause them to do the right thing and make the proper changes? Because if the PA organization does not care about doing that, which is evident from their responses and behavior, how likely is your calling them out going to make a difference? People who do not care are not going to make changes unless they want to (NT) -- No name, 00:46:27 10/17/24 Thu (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) If they don't, they get bashed. And? (NT) -- No name, 23:33:24 10/17/24 Thu (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) Bashing accomplishing nothing. (NT) -- No name, 22:53:18 10/18/24 Fri (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) I mean, you accomplish nothing and yet, here you are still posting. So what's your point, hypocrite? We're clearly not going to listen to you, so why waste your breath? (NT) -- No name, 00:22:45 10/19/24 Sat (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) Seems like I hit a nerve… I am not the only one who has mentioned the moaning, groaning, complaining and bitching… Other people have done the same as well… Complain to them as well… Tell them they need to leave too (NT) -- No name, 05:26:36 10/19/24 Sat (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) I mean, frankly, anyone who doesn't want to read about this can use the handy dandy scroll bar. If you choose not to, then that's your choice but don't try to dictate how others post (NT) -- No name, 10:52:59 10/20/24 Sun (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) The same thing needs to be said about the other posters who mention the moaning, groaning, complaining and bitching as well… Not just me (NT) -- No name, 11:27:56 10/20/24 Sun (51.sub-174-218-211.myvzw.com/174.218.211.51) Girl Scouts does not want to merge. Boy Scouts after seeing the membership plummet after countess sex abuse cases rebranded as “Scouts” and now allows girls. (NT) -- No name, 09:11:11 10/20/24 Sun (ip68-99-30-158.om.om.cox.net/68.99.30.158) I’d be curious to hear how Robyn is feeling about all of this. She lost out of the chance to compete for 70k worth of scholarships and in her final year of eligibility all because someone else threatened to kill her. At this point Victoria knows she can get away with anything. What’s to stop her from physically hurting someone? She’s already hit two others and had multiple grievances filed against her, and was warned in the past about her behavior, yet still nothing happened. At this point even I am beginning to believe she’s untouchable and I understand why all of the other girls are afraid of her. (NT) -- No name, 14:46:20 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/134.122.121.88) Robyn is better off honestly. If she were to have won, that org and board would have treated her awfully. Besides she went on to compete for miss us international and miss us tourism getting runner up to international and winning tourism. She won a national pageant and now she’s prepping to compete at a top 10 international pageant. Plus her social media today actually posted that she just took a job at the US Attorney General’s office. So I’d say she’s doing just fine, if not better than she would have with that PA board. (NT) -- No name, 15:46:05 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/144.22.146.42) Wait what happened to the responses from Victoria’s mom on here that said she was having the victims investigated by the state police? And that the judge actually said that he believed that Victoria didn’t send the messages but that Robyn sent them to herself, yet still granted the restraining order? I was waiting for her to post the court transcripts if that really happened. Would love to see that and all of the messages that were sent. Does anyone know where we can get that? Also jeez having the 10+ victims investigated and calling them abusers is not a good look for her or her daughter. (NT) -- No name, 02:12:27 10/19/24 Sat (NoHost/140.99.254.168) If the police are trying to investigate Robyn for being a victim then they need to investigate all of us. I was also a victim and spoke to the daily mail anonymously because I was afraid to be retaliated against by the org like they’ve done to Robyn. There’s a lost of over 20 of us who have complained about Victoria’s behavior over the years and nothing has been done. We are all scared to say anything because when we do we just get shamed and brushed aside. I stopped competing because the bullying only got worse when I filed a grievance. (NT) -- B, 12:28:51 10/22/24 Tue (NoHost/74.118.138.198) Hey, thank you for speaking up. I am sorry that one contestant ruined it for you. I am sorry the Miss PA Org is made up of a bunch of crappy leaders who wouldn't know leadership if it smacked them in the ass. I think the Mom in this case should be reflecting on her parenting skills than coming on here to defend her daughter for the indefensible (NT) -- No name, 01:07:01 10/26/24 Sat (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) Victoria did not send those txts -- No name, 03:53:57 10/20/24 Sun (214.sub-174-249-82.myvzw.com/174.249.82.214) Who sent the texts? Where was this evidence found? (NT) -- No name, 08:41:38 10/20/24 Sun (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) That’s my question too. If the texts that were traced back to Victorias email and phone number in court weren’t sent by her, then who sent them? And then if the police cleared her why was the restraining order granted? And as far as I know, no one has reached out to Robyn about this. I asked her after seeing your previous messages on here and she said she’s never received anything but would be happy to talk to them if they reach out to her. Also, how would this “abuser” have the power to take down posts here? Only mods can do that, unless you’re saying the mods on here are “abusing” your daughter? Also who on here isn’t a real person? Are you trying to get the restraining order removed then? (NT) -- No name, 11:59:56 10/20/24 Sun (172-105-157-55.ip.linodeusercontent.com/172.105.157.55) Victoria did not send those txts -- No name, 04:00:59 10/20/24 Sun (214.sub-174-249-82.myvzw.com/174.249.82.214) I will delete posts as I see fit to do so. Each time your kids name has been mentioned on here for the past six months, it turns into a she said she said mess with no proof of innocence either way. If she did not do anything, then prove it or drop it as far as this board goes. (NT) -- Moderator, 16:09:53 10/20/24 Sun (c-67-172-2-116.hsd1.ar.comcast.net/67.172.2.116) There was a restraining order. Something serious had to have happened for there to be a restraining order l tried to do one myself because of a ex roommate (NT) -- No name, 16:31:39 10/20/24 Sun (43.sub-174-193-128.myvzw.com/174.193.128.43) MOD coming in hot!! (NT) -- No name, 16:54:44 10/20/24 Sun (syn-098-146-192-217.res.spectrum.com/98.146.192.217) If it is a he said she said issue then should posts like this one be posted in the first place without actual proof? (NT) -- No name, 21:46:10 10/20/24 Sun (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) Nothing wrong with posts like this because there's an actual restraining order. That is a fact, not a she said she said. The only part that's she said she said is on the part of the Victoria (NT) -- No name, 23:08:39 10/20/24 Sun (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) Can you share the court transcripts? Or show that your daughter was found innocent? Because we’ve all seen the restraining order that was granted. (NT) -- No name, 22:43:05 10/20/24 Sun (pool-108-28-22-97.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.28.22.97) Victoria did not send txts -- No name, 00:05:55 10/21/24 Mon (186.sub-174-249-84.myvzw.com/174.249.84.186) Spoke to Robyn today when she judged Miss Hanover. No one has contacted her. She said she’s happy to speak to them if they call her or her lawyer. But so far no one has. — IMO, I have seen 0 from you showing that she didn’t send the texts or threaten her in person as stated in the order. Robyn has a Dropbox of every message sent to her since 2021 as well as messages sent to others and messages from multiple miss Pa contestants, past and present, about being bullied and harassed by Victoria, as well as a copy of two grievances that were previously filed. She also has messages from two local directors claiming they saw victoria physically assault or threaten others but are afraid to speak up if there will be retribution against their local titleholders. She refuses to release it to the public because it contains personal information about other victims and she won’t release those names without their consent. That’s why one of the other victims spoke to the daily mail anonymously. (NT) -- No name, 01:11:28 10/21/24 Mon (NoHost/128.14.201.102) Victoria did not send txts -- No name, 03:07:14 10/21/24 Mon (214.sub-174-249-82.myvzw.com/174.249.82.214) Click In... -- No name, 09:15:12 10/22/24 Tue (c-75-70-175-167.hsd1.co.comcast.net/75.70.175.167) The restraining order was shown by local media so yes it exists (NT) -- No name, 23:00:45 10/24/24 Thu (syn-065-035-010-231.res.spectrum.com/65.35.10.231) I think it's crazy that with the TRO in place, this has been allowed to continue. Shame on those responsible. (NT) -- No name, 12:07:00 10/28/24 Mon (133-111-106-149.in-addr.arpa.pulsefiber.org/149.106.111.133) Ok? Right Let me tell you a story. Years ago there was a crazy pagent mom in my state. She was even blaming her daughter's mental health disorder on another contestant. She claimed that the girl had called her daughter the " f" word. This had caused her daughter to stop eating. She was very convincing, had me believing the girl must be evil to cause such harm. Will fast forward to the end of the pagent season, and I find out that the same mother is talking smack on me! Setting me up in all kinds of shenanigans! Tape recording me ( without my knowledge/permission) than editing it, to make it sound like I " could've said something negative ". The most desperate people will resort to despicable actions! Having also been a victim of a " hidden bully" the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree! " If not her, tell us it's really YOU! (NT) -- No name, 15:25:46 10/26/24 Sat (NoHost/37.120.143.87) Here is the thing. I totally agree that only 1 person making the claims can very easily become a "He Said She Said" scenario. I am a firm believer there are always 3 sides to every story, The Victim's, The Bully's and then there is the truth. However in the situation that is going on in PA, Victoria, the bully, is not just accused by Robyn, the victim, of her behavior. There are at least 4+ other victims in this situation. Many of which have filed complaints with the state all being ignored. Many of those young women have chosen to no longer compete for Miss PA due to Victoria being allowed to compete for States. This includes a previous 1st Runner Up in the competition. Robyn is not alone in her experiences with Victoria. (NT) -- No name, 12:06:22 10/29/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.223.111) It never happens in a vacuum. (NT) -- No name, 21:08:10 10/30/24 Wed (133-111-106-149.in-addr.arpa.pulsefiber.org/149.106.111.133) Robyn, why do you keep referring to yourself in the third person. It’s obvious that you are the author of most of this thread. -- No name, 03:36:07 10/21/24 Mon (214.sub-174-249-82.myvzw.com/174.249.82.214) if Robyn is on this thread (not saying she is or isn’t) I would like to to hear from you Robyn and how you feel about this. Have you been contacted? And if they are having trouble reaching her by phone why would they not try social media? All of her stuff is public. Even if they did reach out to her, as a lawyer, I would recommend that she not speak to anyone until she has her lawyer present. That is my advice to anyone who is ever contacted by police. (NT) -- No name, 14:58:27 10/21/24 Mon (vps-b3297899.vps.ovh.us/135.148.33.143) Check the IP. The one posting that Robyn's writing these comments, has the same IP as Victoria's mother/ennabler. It makes sense that they would do this, as a judge might get reactive if Victoria was caught doing this. (NT) -- No name, 09:22:59 10/22/24 Tue (c-75-70-175-167.hsd1.co.comcast.net/75.70.175.167) I am shocked in reading all about this. Has the National Office addressed any of this? (NT) -- No name, 09:58:02 10/22/24 Tue (171-165-64-139.clients.gthost.com/139.64.165.171) I think there was a statement released by the National office to one of the news outlets who reached out to interview. I can’t remember or find which one it was. But if I remember correctly it basically stated that it supports the PA org and that the victim should have done more if it were really that bad. Then the PA and National org stated that it was the victims fault because she also lived in DC so she wasn’t eligible in PA anyway, even though she paid taxes in PA and works in Pa half the year. — don’t hold me to this, this is just what I can remember so I could be completely off. I can’t seem to find the article with the statement from the National org. I do remember Robyn had reached out to Robin Fleming directly and never heard back though. (NT) -- No name, 12:25:26 10/22/24 Tue (172-234-130-60.ip.linodeusercontent.com/172.234.130.60) Any update? Is the bully still holding a title? Did the police ever "find" Robyn (the biggest crock imaginable)? Is the PA board could to be held accountable for creating such a toxic pageant community? Inquiring minds and all that... (NT) -- No name, 20:00:15 11/20/24 Wed (NoHost/100.17.37.204) State orgs just need numbers. I’m sure nothing will be done. The more girls the more money in their pockets, ticket sales, AHA, fundraising, etc (NT) -- No name, 08:20:18 11/21/24 Thu (mobile-166-199-149-040.mycingular.net/166.199.149.40)

Subject: Robin in her own words

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In May of 2022, while I was producing the show for Miss Florida USA, Micheal Hannah did physically accost me in the Coral Springs Performing Arts Center, by grabbing my arm, practically pulling me off my heels and verbally berating me in the lobby just ten minutes prior to showtime, in full view of entering patrons, contestant parents, and my staff, claiming that my Miss Teen USA titleholder had not been given enough stage time, and that I did this ‘on purpose.

Michael Hannah proceeded in his tirade through clenched teeth stating, ‘this was PERSONAL’ and that he would ensure that I would be held accountable in some fashion.

Despite my efforts to calm Michael Hannah, he proceeded to glare at me throughout the show..

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Subject: Miss USAs at Miss Universe (just for fun)
Author: Pageant Statistician [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:28:09 11/18/24 Mon (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Want to put a positive (at least, fun) spin on a topic that's come up since Miss Universe aired. How Miss USA has faired at Miss Universe historically. Since 1970 (55 years), here is USA's record: 5 wins 20 additional Top 5 placements, for 25 Top 5 finishes 20 additional Top 10 placements, for 45 Top 10 finishes 10 not in Top 10 at all So when Miss USA makes the Top 10, she then makes the Top 5 56% of the time (25 out of 45). I like to do my own scoring, and have made a little project out of it with so many old pageants on Youtube in recent years. Of the 45 years since 1970 where Miss USA made the Top 10, I think she deserved the Top 5 29 times and the crown 6 times (4 of them: 1980 Shawn Weatherly, 1986 Christy Fichtner, 1987 Michelle Royer, 2004 Shandi Finnessey)... so Miss USA actually does better in my own personal rankings then she does in the real pageant. And while I am an American, I can assure you I am not especially patriotic in a way that would skew the results :) With all that being said, what Miss USAs do you think were over-scored vs. under-scored? OVER-SCORED: I had 1978 Judi Andersen and 1982 Terri Utley dead-last of their Top 10s, but both made the Top 5. Judi even made it all the way to 1RU. UNDER-SCORED: There were 2 Miss USAs who I thought deserved the crown out of their Top 10s, and yet didn't make even the Top 5. Those were 1988 Courtney Gibbs and 2021 Elle Smith. All in good fun... what are your thoughts? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Besides Barbara (1977), Kimberly (1999), Shauntay(2002), and now Alma (2024)--any other Miss USA reps not make the first cut at Miss Universe? Who and what year? -- Is it true, even now this early, that the 2025 Miss Universe show will be in Bangkok, Thailand?, 16:48:25 11/18/24 Mon (syn-137-027-094-098.biz.spectrum.com/137.27.94.98) In my scoring project I tried to standardize as much as possible, so I only scored Top 10s (or closest to 10 as I could get depending on the format). There are some Miss USAs who made the first cut, but who did not make the Top 10, hence the discrepancy. In addition to the four you've named, there is a 5th who missed the first cut entirely - 2010 Rima Fakih. Then there are 5 others who made the initial cut but not the Top 10: 2003 Susie Castillo, 2011 Alyssa Campanella, 2018 Sarah Rose Summers, 2020 Asya Branch, and 2023 Noelia Voight. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 16:58:46 11/18/24 Mon (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) You forgot Rima Fakih, Miss USA 2010 that did not place at Miss Universe. (NT) -- No name, 09:32:00 11/19/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.86.100) How can you omit Julie Hayek (USA 83) out of your equation? In addition to Fichtner, she no doubt should've won. (NT) -- No name, 05:41:41 11/19/24 Tue (syn-065-024-160-016.res.spectrum.com/65.24.160.16) If your question is 'how' can I omit her, the answer is because its my list and my opinion. hah! Julie Hayek is stunningly gorgeous but I think her 1RU placement was correct - for me, 1983 was all about Switzerland's Lolita Morena. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 09:44:01 11/19/24 Tue (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) For Pageant Statistician..do you have email to send private correspondence, as I had a couple spread-sheets on pageant scores and results to send to get your thoughts. -- Chris, 20:08:05 11/20/24 Wed (syn-047-225-246-099.biz.spectrum.com/47.225.246.99) I hate to say this but the ones that didnt place at Universe left me scratching as to how or why they won USA . The 1st runners up in those years would have definitely placed (NT) -- No name, 10:58:58 11/19/24 Tue (NoHost/169.156.15.214) 1999 idk in hindsight, Tennessee was beautiful for miss USA and the look they were going for but 1999 miss universe was way too competitive I have doubts that she would have placed. Kansas was more pretty than Shauntay in 2002 but again, Shauntay fit the USA mold. 2002 was extremely competitive and I don't recall any blondes making the cut. Whole Kansas was pretty I'm not sure the outcome would have been different. Tina is an embarrassment because Paula could used her powere to make her place and didn't. Oklahoma was a Trump prototype and likely would have placed top 5 in 2010 universe. (NT) -- No name, 19:05:30 11/19/24 Tue (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) who is Tina (NT) -- No name, 20:10:25 11/19/24 Tue (syn-076-176-188-165.res.spectrum.com/76.176.188.165) Rima, Miss USA 2010 embarrassing u placement at Miss Universe 2010 in Las Vegas. If I recall, Rima is the first and only Miss USA to not place as the host representative. (NT) -- No name, 10:02:54 11/20/24 Wed (mobile-166-198-157-025.mycingular.net/166.198.157.25) Deborah Shelton, Miss USA was the most beautiful 1st r/u ever, in my opinion. But the previous Miss Universe was Miss USA, Sylvia Hitchcock (Miss Alabama). In the early days of the pageant, there were others who deserved to win. (NT) -- no name, 03:20:06 11/20/24 Wed (wsip-174-79-254-46.sd.sd.cox.net/174.79.254.46) Sylvia was Miss Universe 1967 but Deborah did not win Miss USA until 1970, so there was a gap in time there. However, when Deborah won Miss USA as Miss Virginia, she succeeded Wendy Dascomb, who also represented Virginia. At the time it was the first back-to-back year for any state to win Miss USA. However it would happen again with Illinois in 1973-74, and then of course the amazing five-year string for Texas from 1985-1989. (NT) -- No name, 10:12:47 11/20/24 Wed (216-98-91-178.access.naxs.com/216.98.91.178) Deborah was a natural beauty. I would add Carole Gist to the list as well. As much as I love Shandi Finnessy, she is nothing more than plastic surgery. She looked like a soccer mom with a bod at miss america. So while many place her high on USA beauty rankings it's all a fraud. (NT) -- No name, 10:12:49 11/20/24 Wed (mobile-166-198-157-025.mycingular.net/166.198.157.25) My two biggest pageant embarrassments, and I live in Virginia, were A) picking Deborah as fourth runner-up that night because I was just not getting her exotic look. I did however come around by the time of Miss Universe; and B) a few years later at Miss Virginia (MAO), I did not even put Kylene Barker in my top five. Of course it was obvious that she was drop dead gorgeous with an awesome swimsuit body, but those were the days of powerhouse singers and pianists, so I thought her talent did not measure up. (NT) -- No name, 12:51:58 11/20/24 Wed (216-98-91-178.access.naxs.com/216.98.91.178)

Subject: Final Miss Universe 2024 Results
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:59:22 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) 4th runner up: Venezuela 3rd runner up: Thailand 2nd runner up: Mexico First runner up: Nigeria Miss Universe 2024: Denmark [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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For a pageant that’s been a freaking mess since the girls arrived in Mexico City who knew they’d get it right! Excellent winner. (NT) -- No name, 23:02:24 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/216.79.19.143) I'm not convinced the girls time in Mexico was a mess. They actually had 2 weeks of activities. Preliminary was a mess but I cannot complain given the results tonight (NT) -- No name, 23:09:35 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) It was a mess. I spoke to a friend who knows a national director. They forgot to feed the girls some days! And when they did, many got food poisoning and two dozen were hospitalized. Those not picked for activities almost never left the hotel. (NT) -- No name, 16:39:27 11/17/24 Sun (162-196-180-204.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/162.196.180.204) When it was down to the Top 2 I was already celebrating because we couldn't go wrong. Clear Top 2 beauty-wise for me, and yet also still the underdogs because of their sashes! So fun. First blonde winner since 2004! (NT) -- whoo, 23:02:26 11/16/24 Sat (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Yes, that's right. Jen Hawkins of Australia was the last blonde winner. This has made Denmark won its second Big Four title, the first was Catharina Svensson in the inaugural Miss Earth pageant in 2001. (NT) -- No name, 23:10:02 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/111.90.218.47) Yea! (NT) -- No name, 23:02:44 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/104.28.116.85) Denmark's win makes the first blonde winner in 20 years and the first European to win MU since Iris Mittenaere of France in 2016. She's also the first winner from Northern Europe since Mona Grudt in 1990. (NT) -- No name, 23:03:04 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/111.90.218.47) ...All of that and you can not say that Victoria Kjær Theilvig is also the first Miss Denmark to win the Miss Universe competition since it began in 1952? -- And the last time Miss Denmark placed was 2007 when Žaklina Šojić was top 15., 23:50:31 11/16/24 Sat (syn-035-148-093-143.res.spectrum.com/35.148.93.143) I am completely satisfied with this entire production and overall results. This was probably the most fair and transparent miss universe ever. The fact that 2 underdog countries places top 2 would have never happened under Paula. The entire production, music, pacing was spot on. For the first time I can say Anne did a wonderful job. Thank you! (NT) -- No name, 23:06:02 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Has Denmark ever won Miss Universe before? (NT) -- No name, 23:10:32 11/16/24 Sat (syn-035-150-243-209.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.209) It is their first win. The closest was in 1963 when they got first runner up. (NT) -- No name, 23:12:32 11/16/24 Sat (74-112-119-105.static.hrtc.net/74.112.119.105) Loved tonight's pageant. Felt this was so fair. When it came down to the final two it was a win win situation. Both Gorgeous and both so deserving. Very happy for Denmark. (NT) -- Miss P, 23:12:04 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/172.56.169.253) This. Truly. Sometimes I think I'm being gaslit when the results are announced lol, but this was just so correct. (NT) -- whoo, 23:16:59 11/16/24 Sat (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Its fair and if anyone criticizes they sour and jealous. Under Paula Shugart fraud ass, the results would have been reversed. Let's be real, Denmark would not have even been top 30. Paula is the biggest frog face fraud on planet earth. Anne promised transparency and we got that tonight (NT) -- No name, 23:23:49 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) I have no criticisms at all. Tonight I felt the judging was absolutely fair. Both proved you don't need the flashiest gown or some over the top walk. Just be you and shin had Venezuela in 5th Mexico 4th and Thailand 3rd. I said many time either Nigeria or Denmark would be awesome. Nigeria was like a gorgeous goddess very articulate and confident speaker. Denmark just seemed to embody empowerment and although she'd get ahead of herself when speaking she was able to bring it together. (NT) -- Miss P, 23:46:04 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/172.56.168.154) I was worried for Denmark because she screamed as well but she handled herself well. The other girls rambled off too much. Venezuela didn't answer either question even with an interpretor. Mexico will be fine, I'm sure Telemundo will give her a 6 figure salary to host. Nigeria has overcome such hatred that I am elated she got so high. South Africa is a national embarrassment. USA needs to be reevaluated. Training or not, Alma was lost in the field. Yet her exclusion further exposed fraud Paula Shugart as Asia, Deshauna, Summer, and Kira all had no business making the final cut. (NT) -- No name, 23:52:24 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Stop picking on these four women please - you've made your point. I know you are the same poster because its always the same 4 and (presuming you mean Sarah Summers and not Summer Bartholomew), you've misspelled three of their names in the same way. (NT) -- For the record, I thought Deshauna and Kara earned their spots in years I considered weak., 00:57:08 11/17/24 Sun (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Duh! I am the person who clearly is stating my opinion. I stand corrected Sarah Rose was a ditz who made the non speaking Asian girls cry and yet Paula still put her in the cut. Deshauna likely earned her spot. Kira was terrible. And so you can feel dumb, facts are facts. Barbara, Kim, Shauntay, Rima, and now Alma are all losers at miss universe. (NT) -- No name, 05:51:22 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) There is a nicer way to give your opinion without coming across as a jerk (NT) -- No name, 08:07:09 11/17/24 Sun (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) Again, my opinion and not changing to appese you. Summer Rose is an airhead. (NT) -- No name, 09:18:36 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) And while you attacking people did you post that on summer Rose social media or contact her directly that it was a better way to discuss non English speaking girls at miss universe? Exactly now go back to your dungeon. (NT) -- No name, 09:30:04 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Anyone who doesn’t win at Miss Universe is a “loser.” (NT) -- No name, 09:12:53 11/17/24 Sun (ip72-198-123-203.ok.ok.cox.net/72.198.123.203) That is exactly what I said lol. (NT) -- No name, 11:37:22 11/17/24 Sun (NoHost/208.190.13.71) So, all the runner ups are losers… Got it (NT) -- No name, 14:28:21 11/17/24 Sun (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) Well when I was first runner up for a prestigious grant while I got my name and black male in stem research on the website, I still said I LOST. so yes, runner ups are losers. Got it 😀 (NT) -- No name, 14:49:39 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) You come across as a troll (NT) -- No name, 16:14:07 11/17/24 Sun (186.sub-174-226-3.myvzw.com/174.226.3.186) Just for context in case people aren't aware. Nigeria competed at Miss South Africa and was a heavy favorite, but people of the country fought against her citizenship. She left and won Nigeria and coasted all the way to first runner up. Meanwhile, the white South African winner, was deaf and withdrew for so called medical issues right before preliminary. Nigeria just gave a big slap in the face to the entire south African nation 😂 (NT) -- No name, 23:19:10 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) The last time a contestant won Miss Universe wearing gloves was in 1994. (NT) -- No name, 23:21:11 11/16/24 Sat (172-13-128-90.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/172.13.128.90) Crazy gloves was 30 years ago and blonde was 20 years ago (NT) -- No name, 23:24:24 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Paula has been officially exposed. We got natural born male on the judging panel and got a fair top 30 and an incredible top 2. (NT) -- No name, 23:47:57 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) After all the negativity about the pre-show, I was happy to see a typical Miss Universe production. Stage looked wonderful and the flow of the competition worked well. i do think our off-stage commentators got far too much airtime. If they had cut out all those segments, it could have been a two-hour show. And I agree that Robin Thicke was dreadful. As for the results, I guess I am in the minority here because I had Denmark as the clear fourth runner-up. On her first question, she ended by saying "I wouldn't change nothing about myself" and I didn't think the judges would tolerate such a grammatical error. I generally prefer blondes in pageants, but she did not fit the Miss Universe mold. My pick when it came time to narrow the five was Venezuela third runnerup, Mexico second, and in a close call I had Nigeria edgint out Thailand. (NT) -- No name, 00:29:16 11/17/24 Sun (216-98-91-178.access.naxs.com/216.98.91.178) edging out (NT) -- No name, 00:30:39 11/17/24 Sun (216-98-91-178.access.naxs.com/216.98.91.178) Roku was a sponsor. I don't mind Cat and Zuri. The time we had to listen to them was to fill the commercial space for Telemundo which was the primary network. Robin Thicke looked like he got irritated and walked off the stage. Denmark is an acquired taste especially for miss universe. But her responses were most genuine that combined with beauty, the judges got it right. Nigeria easily was neck and neck, I would say Nigeria was stronger overall but different night, different judges. I am beyond elated mexico got eliminated, it humbled the Mexicans. Thailand and Venezuela were both fair but both were a step down from previous reps. But can we celebrate Filipinas getting eliminated at top 12 ,she looked ridiculous in that blue ballroom gown. And poor USA, she is a national embarrassment. (NT) -- No name, 00:36:41 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) I can't even have a thought about Cat or Zuri because their scripts are ridiculous. Is it physically possible for there to be even a single ounce of actual commentary in pageants like this instead of just some iteration of 'Wow they're beautiful AND smart!' over and over again? It's honestly ridiculous and a complete non-starter for even a conversation about a return to network television. The hosts here are smart people; can they not possibly work in anything that is not complete drivel? The ONLY intelligent, interesting commentary I have seen in at least a decade at Miss Universe was in 2022, when they commentators had interesting nuggets about the girl's swimsuit capes. (NT) -- Otherwise, it is the same drivel over and over and over., 08:01:42 11/17/24 Sun (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) There commentary actually wasn't bad at all. They were reading a script. You need to go back to Miss Universe 2015 to 2018 for horrible commentary. That fat model is worse of all. And don't get me started on miss america, that indian miss america winner can't even read when she hosted (NT) -- No name, 09:31:56 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Posters “claim” it is “fun” to discuss Miss Universe… Your comments are not fun (NT) -- No name, 11:14:40 11/17/24 Sun (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) Then I suggest you go away. The point of a message board is to critique and discuss. If you in your feelings go fall under a rock (NT) -- No name, 11:57:43 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) The top 5 were all placed correctly. For the first time in years I felt those top 5 were chosen based on merit rather than sash, although I wasn't a fan of Mexico. Loved NIgeria but she def was more subdued and that is what put Denmark at the top. She just commanded the stage. So refreshing to have a blonde from a non-sash country win it. (NT) -- lee, 12:43:16 11/17/24 Sun (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) Its evident that Paula is a fraud. If this was still a Paula production, there is not a chance in hell those would have been the top 2. Nigeria would have been top 5 but with a all female woke unattractive judging panel we would have gotten a horrible winner. Off with Paula's head, miss universe finally is free!! (NT) -- No name, 13:10:45 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Critique and discuss?? I do not believe you (NT) -- No name, 16:08:10 11/17/24 Sun (186.sub-174-226-3.myvzw.com/174.226.3.186) You remind me of a troll (NT) -- No name, 16:20:06 11/17/24 Sun (186.sub-174-226-3.myvzw.com/174.226.3.186) Hun we can debate this all day and night. Don't come for me unless I come for you. Trust me you won't win 🙏 (NT) -- No name, 17:04:07 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) This is not about winning... It is about your nasty behavior (NT) -- No name, 19:55:34 11/17/24 Sun (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) And it's about your ability to keep trying to come for me. I'm go tell you like Kenya Moore told me Nene, don't come for me unless I come for you. Now sashay your bucktoothed large animal house ass on 😂 (NT) -- No name, 20:05:10 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) What you post tells more about you than about the contestants... You do not want to discuss or critique... You want to tear down the contestants (NT) -- No name, 10:15:32 11/18/24 Mon (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) Summer Rose making fun of non English speaking girls in 2018 and me making an argument that Summer Rose had no business making the cut due to that is about the contestants. Obviously you have the education level of White trailer park trash (NT) -- No name, 12:11:33 11/18/24 Mon (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) I never followed Summer Rose, and so I have no interest idea what you posting about (NT) -- No name, 23:30:21 11/18/24 Mon (186.sub-174-226-3.myvzw.com/174.226.3.186) Never followed Summer Rose... Have no idea what you are talking about (NT) -- No name, 00:23:37 11/19/24 Tue (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) She mocked Miss Vietnam, who spoke in broken English. It made the world press at the time. (NT) -- No name, 19:16:25 11/19/24 Tue (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) While most Americans are celebrating the telecast, results, and the final 2.. the Filipina and Thai transvestite in toilet paper sashes are going off. Surprisingly they are crying foul that Nigera should have won. And pointing to Denmark being a money winner. I will say Anne said several times at the press conference, we have a blonde hair blue eyed miss Universe. I do think in the Asian market Victoria will sell. I still say it could went either way. They are also crying foul that Thailand was cut off during the first question and answer which she was. (NT) -- No name, 13:08:30 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) The South Africans are filled with jealously today 😆 Shamefully I would say had Chidinma competed as South Africa even with all the training she would have been a reboot. Nigeria worked to her benefit (NT) -- No name, 13:27:32 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Further context the Nigerians are going off because they are crying that she is not a real Nigerian. She only lived in Nigeria for 2 weeks after getting kicked out of South Africa. (NT) -- No name, 13:30:56 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) I really liked VZ this year. She seemed really nice and thrilled to be there. So glad DR got cut. She kept doing her own stuff, delaying her poses, etc. Also seemed v aggressive and would be hard to work with. (NT) -- No name, 18:24:02 11/17/24 Sun (host-157-100-136-27.ecua.net.ec/157.100.136.27) THIS. She 100% was in everyone's way during the Prelim Show, trying to make the most of her few seconds in Evening Gown. So selfish and made her look ridiculous. (NT) -- whoo, 21:05:51 11/17/24 Sun (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) In my view, Thailand gave the most solid answers to the final 2 questions. Denmark had the best stage presence. I thought it would be between those 2. (NT) -- Ima (Jean) Starall-Reddy, 21:34:01 11/17/24 Sun (NoHost/172.59.90.87) I was rather shocked that USA didnt even make 30 ! I knew that she wouldnt make it had there only been 15 or 20 I really didnt see her winning USA but somehow I think Carol Gist had an influence.. Ironically.....The last time Michigan won USA was in 2010..she didnt place either (NT) -- No name, 10:57:50 11/18/24 Mon (NoHost/169.156.3.222) The way they SCREAM their countries at the beginning in RIDICULOUS! (NT) -- No name, 11:05:50 11/18/24 Mon (99-109-244-178.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.109.244.178) I agree! Most of the people I know who watched it wondered why, as well. One of them turned the sound off after several of these screams. (NT) -- No name, 17:21:38 11/18/24 Mon (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) There is an audience video of the crowning where you can clearly see Albania and Belgium looking very unhappy when they announced Denmark as the winner. Is there a story behind this? They literally looked at each other, frowned and refused to clap. (NT) -- No name, 17:29:28 11/18/24 Mon (host-157-100-136-27.ecua.net.ec/157.100.136.27) Very happy with the winner. Does anyone know how to pronounce her last name (phonetically, would be nice)? (NT) -- No name, 18:26:00 11/18/24 Mon (syn-076-185-110-174.res.spectrum.com/76.185.110.174) Kjær Theilvig is pronounced care-ya with the "r" is rarely silent and Tile-vee with the "g" at the end is silent. Danish language has a hard phonetic pronunciation. (NT) -- No name, 23:34:26 11/18/24 Mon (NoHost/111.90.203.106) Thank you! Sounds lovely. (NT) -- No name, 09:58:33 11/19/24 Tue (syn-076-185-110-174.res.spectrum.com/76.185.110.174) Would be interesting to see how ALL contestants placed-there is someone who always leaks that info (NT) -- No name, 00:32:08 11/20/24 Wed (syn-035-150-243-209.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.209)

Subject: I saw a post about Carolyn Sapp and Mary Allison Hurdle going to Sweetheart and not placing so did Carolyn compete there more than one time? Who won the year they didn't place?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:36:00 11/19/24 Tue (75.97.137.92.res-cmts.sewb.ptd.net/75.97.137.92) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Carolyn and Missy were both 1st runners up twice in their state pageants. Carolyn won Sweetheart on her second trip there in 1990. (NT) -- No name, 15:28:01 11/19/24 Tue (NoHost/148.59.75.52) How did sweetheart get so many contestants in the early years? Did the recruit all the runners up across the country? (NT) -- No name, 17:31:27 11/19/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.65.35) Yes, the idea is each state's 1RU is the state's Sweetheart. Since separating from MAO, it's been a struggle to get states to send a contestant. Hopefully with MVA it will grow again. Sweetheart is a unique pageant experience, but also supposed to prepare the 1RU's to win their next state title. Haven't seen that much success lately except Alaska Sweetheart, if I'm correct. (NT) -- No name, 18:14:05 11/19/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.200.109)

Subject: Miss Universe Thread
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:02:58 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/206.0.71.35) Maybe here? Is it ok? It’s just one night. And could be fun. Thanks! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Fun? Seems like the people who post about Miss Universe are vicious... How is that fun? (NT) -- No name, 19:27:43 11/16/24 Sat (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) I am IMPRESSED with the opening. We got dancing and all the girls got tv time. And I love the Mexican music. Well done! (NT) -- No name, 20:13:57 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Mexicans already booing lol (NT) -- No name, 20:29:00 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) The Mexican fans are happy that USA did not make the Top 30. (NT) -- No name, 20:54:46 11/16/24 Sat (172-13-130-188.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/172.13.130.188) Top 30: France, India, Serbia, Vietnam, Puerto Rico, Nigeria, Canada, Cuba, China, Japan (NT) -- No name, 20:36:41 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Top 30 is stupid. How are they going to narrow it from there? (NT) -- No name, 20:44:17 11/16/24 Sat (syn-107-013-036-240.res.spectrum.com/107.13.36.240) Top 30 will compete in swimsuit then top 12 to gown. (NT) -- No name, 20:49:20 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Top 30: Egypt, Mexico, Argentina, Thailand, Peru, Macau, Philippines, Ecuador, Bolivia, Malaysia (NT) -- No name, 20:48:43 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Egypt and Macau made history tonight! Congratulations 🎉 (NT) -- No name, 20:50:23 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) I think a lot of these countries are getting in for appearances sake. Still going with an unmarried, childless 20 something winning. (NT) -- No name, 20:50:02 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/167.187.101.50) Idk I will say in the first time in possibly a decade the top 20 so far are legit. Assuming these are all natural born women, they are all beautiful (NT) -- No name, 20:51:26 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Oh yeah, I think they are beautiful and I had many of them advancing to the finals (actually made it easier to narrow down with a top 30). But after things Anne and Raul have said and seeing how they are all about money, I just wonder if they made sure some delegates places for appearance sake. I guess we'll see at the end of the night what happens. Maybe I'll be wrong! (NT) -- No name, 20:55:24 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/167.187.101.50) I would agree but so many non sash Asian and European countries got in. I'm go say this is a genuine top 30. (NT) -- No name, 21:06:19 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) You saw them all in tiny bikinis, does it really matter what they're born as? They're stunning!! (NT) -- No name, 01:04:41 11/17/24 Sun (syn-098-146-192-217.res.spectrum.com/98.146.192.217) Top 30: Russia, Aruba, Finland, Dominican Republic, Cambodia, Nicaragua, Denmark, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Chile (fan vote). USA fails to make the cut since 2002. (NT) -- No name, 21:01:28 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Cambodia makes history tonight. Congratulations 🎉 (NT) -- No name, 21:02:31 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) USA not being placed that ended a 14-placement streak. First time since 2010 USA failed to place. (NT) -- No name, 21:12:35 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/111.90.218.47) Omg I forgot about 2010. Thanks. Alma joins the list of loosers Barbara Peterson, Kimberly Presler, Shauntay Hinton, and Rima Fakih. (NT) -- No name, 21:15:44 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Wow we had several who didn't then make the Top 10, but didn't realize the list of girls who didn't make the first cut was so small! And for it to be 30... Poor thing. I'm sure the pressure sucks. (NT) -- whoo, 21:30:53 11/16/24 Sat (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Your right but it also goes to show how Paula saved miss USAs. Off the rip, Deshauna, Kira, Summer, Asia all had no business making the cut. (NT) -- No name, 21:41:46 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Ironically the last time Michigan won Miss USA was 2010 and she didnt place at Universe either! (NT) -- No name, 10:44:34 11/19/24 Tue (NoHost/169.156.15.214) Top 12: Bolivia, Mexico, Venezuela, Argentina, Puerto Rico, Nigeria, Russia, Chile, Thailand, Denmark, Canada, Peru (NT) -- No name, 21:37:57 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Out of the top 12 we have 7 from Latin America, 2 from Europe, 1 from Africa, 1 from Asia, and 1 from North America (NT) -- No name, 21:40:09 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/167.187.101.50) I called it earlier, without fail swimsuit eliminates all the non latinas. With that said, Denmark is making history and if she performs well in gown, could pull off a win. She has the crowd support. I am not feeling Mexico, her skin is too white she needs some color. Chile is a entertainer. Unfortunately this is a Latina to loose (NT) -- No name, 21:45:59 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) I feel like I am in the twilight zone when it comes to Chile. Do not get her at all. She's so paint-by-numbers 'Latina Miss Universe delegate' that it's almost like she's AI-generated. Nothing unique in any way. (NT) -- whoo, 22:00:50 11/16/24 Sat (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Unfortunately Denmark wore 10 inch stripper heels, the gown is a no but she is too beautiful. Russia was really the only stand out. Mexico looks like 1980s wedding butting. Thailand is shockingly too demure. Robin Thicke was terrible! They should have just had background vocals of Mexican music (NT) -- No name, 22:02:45 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Shocked to see Ecuador, France and Philippines out... And Russia is deserving but going with her is a bold move (esp given there is another girl on-stage who has given refuge to Ukrainian immigrants). Don't get Bolivia and think the Top 12 skewed Latina when it didn't need to, but overall choices aren't horrendous. (NT) -- whoo, 21:44:04 11/16/24 Sat (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) I agree this is the most fair and genuine competition so far. There are no head scratchers. (NT) -- No name, 21:47:32 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) I don't think it will be a LatinO win (NT) -- No name, 21:53:52 11/16/24 Sat (syn-035-150-243-209.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.209) Chile is my pick, hands down. I also like Venezuela and Russia a lot. I'm sure Mexico will be in top 5 just because. (NT) -- No name, 22:00:27 11/16/24 Sat (syn-107-013-036-240.res.spectrum.com/107.13.36.240) Top 5: Nigeria, Mexico, Denmark, Thailand, Venezuela (NT) -- No name, 22:07:45 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Continental Queens: Africa, Nigeria. America's, Venezuela or Mexico, Europe, Denmark, Asia Thailand (NT) -- No name, 22:12:37 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Top 5: Denmark, Mexico, Nigeria, Venezuela, Thailand. Literally my exact Top 5 from this 12... Spectacular choices, and very diverse. And yes, I'm in the minority that thinks Mexico earned her spot fairly. (NT) -- whoo, 22:08:04 11/16/24 Sat (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Rooting for Denmark, could see it being Mexico or Thailand. Maybe I will be surprised and Venezuela will take it. (NT) -- No name, 22:08:52 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/167.187.101.50) Unfortunately Mexico or Venezuela will win. I am shocked Chile was eliminated. Denmark should take it all. But do not underestimate Nigeria (NT) -- No name, 22:10:22 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Nigeria and Denmark just eliminated themselves. Denmark let nerves get to her. Venezuela did not answer the question at all. Thailand was the best but I think Mario cut her off. Idk all these top 5 responses were terrible (NT) -- No name, 22:20:08 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Top 5 will answer final question. To be fair, I am happy with any of the 5. But my gut tells me Mexico will win. (NT) -- No name, 22:29:16 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) MX and VZ are carbon copies of their past winners after year. Boring. (NT) -- K, 22:39:29 11/16/24 Sat (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) I get what you're saying about VEN and can understand why it's a turn-off for some, but to me, they're execution of their formula is just so intensely perfect that I'm in awe every year. I don't really see MEX as a carbon copy, but admittedly I may feel that way only because her skin is a different shade than most winners hah (NT) -- whoo, 22:46:24 11/16/24 Sat (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) of the ones left, i would crown Thailand. I would have Venezuela 1st runner up, denmark 2nd, nigeria 3rd and Mexico 4th runnerup. i'm sure mexico will place higher, just because, but she's not my favorite at all. (NT) -- No name, 22:38:33 11/16/24 Sat (syn-107-013-036-240.res.spectrum.com/107.13.36.240) Mexico getting 4th, Venezuela getting 3rd would be a dream come true. (NT) -- No name, 22:45:33 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) I like Venezuela. The only one I really don't care for is Mexico. Her dress is so fabulous, though! I really think this is a wonderful top 5, though I think Chile was completely robbed not being in there. (NT) -- No name, 22:47:49 11/16/24 Sat (syn-107-013-036-240.res.spectrum.com/107.13.36.240) Final question, all 5 did exceptional well. This is the first time in a long time I would be happy with any of the 5 winning. My heart is for Denmark but the fact that she broke the European wall , I am more than happy. I can do without Venezuela and Mexico, but they likely will be top 2 along with Thailand. I am not against Thailand, they are due for a crown and if they win, the Filipino transvestites will raise hell in Mexican with they toilet paper sashes and burger king crowns. (NT) -- No name, 22:42:06 11/16/24 Sat (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) I'm rooting for Denmark or Nigeria because I love an underdog and these aren't the typical sash countries at Miss Universe. (NT) -- No name, 22:48:52 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/167.187.101.50)

Subject: A couple of years ago, I was at a pageant at there was a contestant that I really liked. She did not win and after the crowning she went on to act in a very unbecoming way on the stage (refusing to congratulate or even clap for the winner, making rude comments and then stomping off the stage). She then posted really hurtful and rude things on social media about the judges, state board and winner. She didn't compete for a year or two and then I saw recently that she recently won a local pageant. My question is, do Pageant Directors have the right to tell someone they can not compete again? That kind of behavior seems like it should not have to be tolerated? I just can't imagine having to work with the girl if she goes on to win this year.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:33:10 11/18/24 Mon (NoHost/167.21.141.37) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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No they do not. This is a business. (NT) -- No name, 12:40:41 11/18/24 Mon (NoHost/172.56.65.35) Sheesh. That’s awful. Even businesses are allowed to turn people away. (NT) -- No name, 16:13:16 11/18/24 Mon (c-76-151-177-119.hsd1.va.comcast.net/76.151.177.119) Jo Hott would be a terrible representative. Her social media as trash after losing. She thought she was hot shot and would go win VA but couldn’t even win a local there. Guess she came back with tail tucked between her legs. Good luck. (NT) -- No name, 20:41:53 11/18/24 Mon (NoHost/173.80.144.33) What about the “horrible” contestants in years past? Did others insist those contestants never win or compete? (NT) -- No name, 21:55:22 11/18/24 Mon (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) God, I wish ! and this includes Teen Mom with bad behavior (NT) -- No name, 22:10:11 11/18/24 Mon (108-239-242-250.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net/108.239.242.250) So, one night of bad behavior and she’s blackballed? I think we can give her a little grace. I’ve seen many people act ridiculous after losing but I think it’s a forgivable offense, otherwise most girls won’t be allowed to “compete again”. Let’s hope she’s grown up and learned to smile and be nice until she gets to the car. It’s ok to be mad but no need to make anyone else feel bad. (NT) -- No name, 22:35:22 11/18/24 Mon (136-56-184-56.googlefiber.net/136.56.184.56) Yeah, maybe that was a bad example on my part. I know there have been a lot of other incidents that are more severe like bullying and criminal charges. I was just wondering if directors have the discretion to ban someone for any reason. To be honest, the girl in my example was my favorite that year and I had predicted her for the win. I really hope she has done some growing because I think she has great potential. (NT) -- No name, 09:56:36 11/19/24 Tue (NoHost/167.21.141.37) I have heard of people being banned for bounced checks, not showing up for rehearsals, etc. It's the director's call. (NT) -- No name, 03:05:58 11/19/24 Tue (syn-035-150-243-209.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.209)

Subject: My current Top Ten
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:26:57 09/28/24 Sat (NoHost/172.56.68.78) Having reviewed as much about as many contestants as I could here is my top ten prediction before preliminaries. Washington Ohio North Carolina New Jersey Tennessee Arkansas Pennsylvania Texas Florida New York [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Is super early to predict but I like Florida, Louisiana, Ohio, Washington, North Carolina, Kansas, Utah, Tennessee, Mississippi, Texas and I have on my watch list Puerto Rico. (NT) -- No name, 22:30:06 09/28/24 Sat (a172-225-112-78.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com/172.225.112.78) I would agree with these lists! Very good selection! (NT) -- No name, 22:15:03 10/04/24 Fri (NoHost/146.70.81.254) Love South Dakota, Utah (NT) -- No name, 17:56:07 10/08/24 Tue (202.sub-174-193-130.myvzw.com/174.193.130.202) TX, TN, NY, FL, VT, KY, WA, SD, MI, OH (NT) -- No name, 19:57:30 10/08/24 Tue (NoHost/146.75.237.166) Mark my word...do not count out Hawaii. (NT) -- No name, 18:50:44 10/09/24 Wed (75-30-250-233.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net/75.30.250.233) I have been watching social media and really like Minnesota. Very active. Smart and pretty young woman. Don't know about her talent or anything else. Just what I see on social media. (NT) -- No name, 19:00:45 10/09/24 Wed (c-73-74-207-142.hsd1.il.comcast.net/73.74.207.142) I like her too. Minnesota has not had a real contender for awhile. Not feeling New York or Texas this year, although I think they will both make the ten. Wondering about the Carolinas. Anyone have info on them? (NT) -- No name, 19:03:57 10/09/24 Wed (NoHost/194.110.115.42) SC -- No name, 19:06:25 10/10/24 Thu (dial-77.r10.tnmmrl.blomand.net.95.74.206.in-addr.arpa/206.74.95.77) I saw SC's headshot posted recently, she is gorgeous! Looked further at her socials, platform is about working with children who have parents in prison. Impressive! (NT) -- No name, 19:14:15 10/10/24 Thu (dial-77.r10.tnmmrl.blomand.net.95.74.206.in-addr.arpa/206.74.95.77) pretty girl, I agree. (NT) -- No name, 19:09:59 10/11/24 Fri (NoHost/146.70.198.120) Curious what they are looking for this year…. Anyone else think they will be looking for a diversity rep, with a traditional talent, and of course doesn’t need the money or scholarships??? (NT) -- If there is any money for the winners, 20:52:37 10/09/24 Wed (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) If by what "they" are looking for, do you mean Robin? Because as an outsider looking in, I haven't heard of anyone besides Robin and Ryan as having anything to say, and Ryan seems to just go along to get along. (NT) -- No name, 21:21:43 10/09/24 Wed (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) PA, TX, KS, OH, NV, CA, WA, OK, GA, AR (NT) -- ***, 23:40:56 10/13/24 Sun* (c-98-207-188-153.hsd1.ca.comcast.net/98.207.188.153) AL, ARK, CA, MN, NY, OH, OK, SD, TN, TX, WA: My Top 11 (NT) -- No name, 05:49:29 10/14/24 Mon (174-20-123-42.mpls.qwest.net/174.20.123.42) My current: 3 with "stories" MAO can exploit; 3 everyone will have on their list; 3 that won't make sense; 1 black horse everyone will claim they had on their list but didn't. (NT) -- No name, 11:45:12 10/14/24 Mon (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) Top 10- SC, FL, TN, DC, NJ, AL, UT, HI, GA, WA (NT) -- No name, 02:13:45 10/31/24 Thu (188.sub-174-239-48.myvzw.com/174.239.48.188) I don’t have my list but offhand New Hampshire Oklahoma South Dakota Wisconsin and Montana (NT) -- No name, 04:07:46 10/31/24 Thu (171.sub-174-193-192.myvzw.com/174.193.192.171) Don’t sleep on SC. She’s a stunner. (NT) -- No name, 22:39:36 10/31/24 Thu (syn-098-025-171-226.res.spectrum.com/98.25.171.226) I predict Florida will be in the Top 10 at least. (NT) -- No name, 16:28:05 11/05/24 Tue (NoHost/142.136.0.80) I'm loving Minnesota too! There is something very Miss America about her and I think her connection to the American Heart Association won't hurt. Delaware is my sleeper. She's a professional ballerina and I just feel like she may have x-factor. (NT) -- No name, 13:11:39 11/06/24 Wed (NoHost/167.21.141.37) I love South Dakota - North Dakota is a beauty too! (NT) -- No name, 12:47:49 11/07/24 Thu (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) Utah, Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, Alabama, Colorado, New Mexico, California, Washington, Virginia (NT) -- No name, 22:26:15 11/18/24 Mon (136-56-184-56.googlefiber.net/136.56.184.56) NIce to see DE on a list. I feel she will win prelim talent one night. She's fresh, not a lifelong pageant contestant. (NT) -- LEE, 08:27:56 11/19/24 Tue (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245)

Subject: Miss Universe telecast
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:44:49 11/17/24 Sun (syn-035-148-093-143.res.spectrum.com/35.148.93.143) With finding out, here on this message board, that the only channel that would air the 2024 Miss Universe pageant staged in Mexico City, Mexico, would be that of Spanish-language channel Telemundo, I suffered my way watching it with limited Spanish from grade-school. After the swimsuit competition, we saw a man in a tux speaking, and could barely understand something about "the legacy of the woman". Who was this man (and his title), and what was that all about, and did it include the women also being those few who are transgendered that are allowed to compete? And speaking of men, that Telemundo co-host Carlos Adyan is so cute, telegenic, and should host Miss Universe someday like Mario Lopez. But sorry girls, he is married, and gay on top of it. htt://www.instagram.com/carlosadyan/ http://voyagemia.com/interview/meet-carlos-adyan-telemundo-doral/ And it was nice to see Miss Universe 1978, Margaret Gardiner of South Africa as a judge, as she was the first woman to be crowned Miss Universe in Mexico when she won the title in Acapulco, Mexico on July 24, 1978. Just too bad Miss South Africa 2024, Mia le Roux dropped out, but did she watch the pageant or went home before last night's competition? And who was the contestant that was berated over being Nigerian (Miss Nigeria, who ended-up first runner-up this year)? See story: http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg4dmd2vjjo Wonder just how bad Miss USA 2024, Alma Minerva Cooper of Michigan, did in the preliminary judging to not even make top 30 in the competition? And at least twice during the three-hour telecast (one time immediately after the swimsuit judging) there were promos for this Latina Miss Universe reality show in 2025. Any clue what that is and who can apply? Surely, I hope this is not the precursor test-run of some reality show in ten episodes or something like America's Got Talent or American Idol in selecting Miss Universe next year or in the future. If you know Spanish, here is the website they promoted: http://www.telemundo.com/ Was there not once a conversation of having the actual Miss America competition not be a one-night show, but a series of reality type competitions? That would be disastrous for sure. This was posted last night, about regions of the world awards, seems like a take-off of what Miss World does. Whats the need for it? http://www.voy.com/229344/15405.html#post And lastly, any reason why Miss Iran was named Miss Persia, which is an antiquated name for Iran? Was her country pageant known as Miss Persia Universe? http://www.farhorizons.com/when-was-persia-renamed-iran-and-why/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The Miss Persia competition was organized by Iranians who live outside Iran. It was held elsewhere, as well. They suspected the Iranian government would put pressure on the MUO not to have a Miss Iran; so this group chose Miss Persia, the historic name of the country, instead. (NT) -- No name, 17:54:31 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) Well the obvious question in reading your commentary, just where (what city and country) was this Miss Persia Universe contest held and where is the winner actually from? And it was interesting to learn that Miss Denmark who is now Miss Universe was not actually supposed to be in Mexico City to compete for Miss Universe, until the original winner for Denmark canceled out and runner-up Victoria assumed the representation of Denmark at Miss Universe. -- Her first runner-up Nigeria also was not to be in Mexico, but fled South Africa to win Miss Nigeria., 20:38:18 11/17/24 Sun (syn-097-095-094-190.res.spectrum.com/97.95.94.190) The Miss Persia organization is based in Italy. That's where the first national pageant was held, as well. https://misspersia.net/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Universe_2024 She is from Mashhad, Iran. Her family fled the country when she was a child. (NT) -- No name, 17:33:14 11/18/24 Mon (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44)

Subject: In the Miss America mess the one pageant IMO that will benefit it.....
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:17:36 10/12/24 Sat (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) .....Miss Volunteer America. Wasn't it started by two former MAO state directors who were disillusioned at the time the direction MAO was taking? I have heard the numbers in the state pageants are WAY up and contestants are seeing this system as an alternative to MAO state and locals. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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There seems to be a real effort here to make this a thing.. Allison's vanity project is not yet significant. What does the winner do? Does she make appearances? Do they have national partnerships? what would be the attraction? (NT) -- No name, 10:51:45 10/12/24 Sat (NoHost/146.70.198.120) Well,:to be honest, it seems to be a bigger "thing" than MAO these days. However, I'm not sure why this has to be a "thing" about whose "thing" is bigger? Why can't they just both coexist? (NT) -- No name, 11:47:09 10/12/24 Sat (syn-065-188-072-102.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.102) National partnerships with st Jude, salvation army. Current national titleholder has visited 15 states in 4 months, models for Sherri hill, and is doing a ton of work for the hurricanes in her home state. Who are MAOs national partners besides Rebel? (NT) -- No name, 12:08:38 10/12/24 Sat (syn-098-146-192-217.res.spectrum.com/98.146.192.217) If you don't know about the America Heart Association partnership you are very far removed from society (NT) -- No name, 18:24:35 10/12/24 Sat (13.indianapolis-10rh16rt-11rh15rt.in.dial-access.att.net/12.74.54.13) It's been a few years since I was fully involved in MAO in my state, which is why I asked what other partnerships they had.... Looking back at social media, our locals/state only fundraise for AHA before a competition or on Go Red day. (NT) -- No name, 12:30:07 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.51.215) I feel like within the pageant world, the MVA women are being treated better and are being given a better national pageant experience than the current MAO girls. MAO has history and brand awareness that MVA will never achieve, but it's pretty clear that those girls are having more fun. (NT) -- No name, 12:33:46 10/12/24 Sat (c-66-31-94-95.hsd1.ct.comcast.net/66.31.94.95) I will say I enjoyed watching the last few MVA pagents. Can't say the same about MAO pageants! So there's that! (NT) -- No name, 16:29:43 10/17/24 Thu (NoHost/146.70.28.26) Two contestants competed in my state. Really a joke. (NT) -- No name, 14:57:46 10/12/24 Sat (h107.240.22.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.22.240.107) And I think the scholarship for the Miss winner is either 50K or 60K-compareable to what MAO would get in the old days (NT) -- No name, 20:16:45 10/12/24 Sat (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) And their award winners actually receive the promised scholarships - THAT one fact is enough to make this system "a thing!" (NT) -- No name, 13:30:09 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/172.59.227.172) I went and watched the national pageant and was blown away. The production was amazing and the live band/orchestra was very nostalgic to see. The quality of girls was just as good as Miss America. I follow the titleholder on social and she has appearances constantly and appears to be having a good time. I plan to get involved at my state pageant. I’m am glad I decided to attend with a friend this year who was cheering on a family friend. I was a long time donor and volunteer with Miss America but quit a few years back. I will start small but looking forward ti getting involved with this system. (NT) -- No name, 06:11:23 10/15/24 Tue (syn-076-033-145-137.res.spectrum.com/76.33.145.137) We obviously did not watch the same pageant. The production numbers were cringe worthy at best (NT) -- No name, 07:46:13 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/128.163.239.233) Volunteer provides scholarships at the national level and MAO under Robin haven't given out a dime. Any questions? (NT) -- ureka smoke, 08:57:34 10/15/24 Tue (ip98-169-99-148.dc.dc.cox.net/98.169.99.148) I am not a Volunteer fan, and here’s why. As you know, Allison was the director of Tennessee MAO for many years. It’s widely known that she prefers the platinum blondes as titleholders but is tolerant of the brunettes. Girls of other races have a very hard time in her pageants. She has never crowned a Miss winner that is African American, either at Tennessee or at the national Volunteer level. If you take a look at the Q and A for last year’s Volunteer, it was the most robotic thing I had ever seen. I felt the Top 5 were all processed pageant patties and their answers to the questions were so programmed and rehearsed. Allison highlights the parts of Miss America that I always cringed at and wanted a “real” and relatable girls. (NT) -- No name, 13:19:10 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/107.115.163.124) Then you seem to be in the right place for you. But I don’t think it takes away from what appeals to others. Miss America 2.0 was definitely real girls -- No one, 15:13:43 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.33.227) Her 2024 Tennessee titleholder was Black and made Top 10 at nationals. Other states are also crowning women of color and women of larger sizes (new Alaska queen). I see much more diversity in Volunteer than MAO, but that's just based off my MAO state perspective. I haven't been involved at the National level for MAO in a long time. (NT) -- No name, 15:44:02 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.51.128) That was not her titleholder. She is over nationals now and a completely different group of people are running the TN Volunteer pageant. (NT) -- No name, 16:16:40 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.70.8) Well none of the last 4 TN Volunteer girls have been blonde, so I don't understand why everyone thinks Allison rigs her pageants for blondes or white girls. Even at nationals the top 10 has been different all 3 years, and we've had extremely different national titleholders all 3 years, even if 2 happen to be blonde. It seems to me like people just want to claim pageants are rigged when their favorite never wins. (NT) -- No name, 16:42:48 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.200.12) Because that crap will fly when you and your mom are running Miss TN but it won’t when you’re running a national. She’s smart enough to know that. The TN pageant was one of the most corrupt pageants under their leadership. Was surprised she opted to start a national program with that reputation. (NT) -- No name, 21:17:05 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.65.35) SHE DOESNT RUN TENNESSEE VOLUNTEER. She runs the NATIONAL Miss Volunteer America program. You are proving our point with your very statement that TN Volunteer actually crowns women of color under different leadership!!! (NT) -- No name, 21:27:29 10/15/24 Tue (NoHost/38.172.112.247) Teen Volunteer National Titleholder -- No Name, 00:13:02 10/16/24 Wed (c-69-180-201-77.hsd1.tn.comcast.net/69.180.201.77) The national teen from 2 years ago was mix, I think black and Asian. (NT) -- No name, 07:33:57 10/17/24 Thu (68-249-239-122.lightspeed.okcbok.sbcglobal.net/68.249.239.122) The first MVA pagent I watched had a black teen winner and a burnett Miss winner? I can't remember the year. But also have seen another Miss winner that was black or a (woman of color) can't recall that year, I also believe last years Miss was Black. Actually, now that I think about it, not many winners have been been blonde. Shame on you for lying and spreading dangerous falsehoods! You're are making accusations that are scandalous and libel! (NT) -- No name, 17:09:19 10/17/24 Thu (NoHost/146.70.28.26) Excuse me. The post says “ She has never crowned a Miss winner that is African American, either at Tennessee or at the national Volunteer level.” If this is wrong, then do tell me the name of the Black Miss Wilber under Allison at either MAO Tennessee or at Mids Volunteer America, the two pageants that Allison has been in charge of. Thats right….you can’t name one because there isn’t one. (NT) -- No name, 18:29:56 10/17/24 Thu (NoHost/107.115.163.124) How many Red Heads have won? Any? (NT) -- No name, 18:42:52 11/16/24 Sat (ec2-35-183-243-37.ca-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com/35.183.243.37) I disagree slightly on the Top 5. While a majority were plastic, NY and PA were very authentic IMO. NY was the opposite of programmed when watching it, especially in her onstage question. The unfortunate reality is the real and relatable girls like NY and PA get pushed under the rug by the games and handpicking of titleholders at a national level at Vol. (NT) -- No name, 14:31:02 11/15/24 Fri (pool-72-93-224-161.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.93.224.161) Volunteer won't be considered a real pageant until there are real contestants from each state. Right now, 20% are coming from Tennessee. The lose their state title and take an 'at-large' title to go to the national pageant. Miss Teen Volunteer America was 3rd runner up at Miss Tennessee Teen Volunteer, took an at large title for Miss Maryland Teen Volunteer because there is no pageant there, and won the national title. Conversation to get an at-large Volunteer state title: Board: Do you know where Montana is? Contestant: I think I looked at it on a map once. Board: Congratulations! You're Miss Montana Volunteer. You owe us $$$$ to compete. Where should we send the invoice? It's a joke. They want their winners near Tennessee or families who have $$$$$$. If this isn't you, don't bother competing in Volunteer. CA MAO isn't the best, but it's better than this. Why do you think there has been a large turnover of directors? There is no honestly run pageant that exists anymore. -- No name, 09:07:06 10/16/24 Wed (NoHost/107.155.57.214) Isn't this how Miss USA operates? On the state levels, that is how it works. (NT) -- No name, 20:57:01 10/17/24 Thu (ec2-177-71-144-210.sa-east-1.compute.amazonaws.com/177.71.144.210) Are there scholarship monies actually PAID in the Volunteer System? What does Miss America currently pay. Does anyone even KNOW? (NT) -- No name, 21:51:42 10/17/24 Thu (136-32-197-127.googlefiber.net/136.32.197.127) At the state level, yes, and at the national level, also yes. State took a month or two for turnaround from pageant to payment, not sure about the timeline for national payments (NT) -- No name, 22:04:36 10/17/24 Thu (syn-098-146-192-217.res.spectrum.com/98.146.192.217) I never got my scholarship from Volunteer in my state and I requested multiple times (NT) -- No name, 09:02:15 10/18/24 Fri (NoHost/128.163.239.233) State gave me a form that requires verification/approval from the national office, so if your state board is trying to screw you, go through the national board. (NT) -- No name, 11:23:19 10/18/24 Fri (NoHost/172.56.51.217) Personal experience: no problem getting MVA scholarship paid. (NT) -- No name, 09:47:33 10/20/24 Sun (ip68-99-30-158.om.om.cox.net/68.99.30.158) Strongly disagree. In the entire state of Texas the Volunteer Pageant managed to recruit a total of 5 Miss Contestants. Most locals in the State of Texas have double this. What happened? (NT) -- No name, 15:42:50 11/15/24 Fri (NoHost/12.14.8.67) Good question. A state as big as Texas could only attract four candidates for a state title! WTH! (NT) -- No name, 23:20:12 11/16/24 Sat (syn-070-113-128-069.res.spectrum.com/70.113.128.69) Didn’t help that TX Volunteer moved away from DFW. Is it under new leadership? Moving to Texarkana surely didn’t help. (NT) -- One way to insure delegates from the area! Not much promotion about the org, 19:13:33 11/17/24 Sun (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) Yeah director from 2024 is no longer directing. Not sure why, seems to have left on good terms. (NT) -- No name, 21:05:45 11/17/24 Sun (syn-098-146-192-217.res.spectrum.com/98.146.192.217) TX Volunteer had weak numbers when it was in DFW too. Its just a weak pageant system. (NT) -- No name, 09:50:45 11/18/24 Mon (NoHost/12.238.100.162) They have sec to award 10k, and an apartment among other prizes. What is their prize package now? (NT) -- sweetheart winner won 3 of 4 categories but winner won 2. They tied for one category. Interesting, 11:59:42 11/18/24 Mon (66-90-170-243.static.grandenetworks.net/66.90.170.243) I've been very surprised to see so many sweethearts go back to their state pageant and get 1RU and don't win. Different judges, different day, but still. We saw a lot more sweethearts come back and win in MAO than MVA so far. (NT) -- No name, 15:06:25 11/18/24 Mon (NoHost/172.56.201.127)

Subject: Next Miss America Hearing FRIDAY
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:37:07 11/13/24 Wed (pool-98-113-202-63.nycmny.fios.verizon.net/98.113.202.63) The following matters have been specially set for hearing before Judge G. Joseph Curley Jr. in Courtroom 11C, Palm Beach County Courthouse, 205 North Dixie Highway, West Palm Beach, FL 33401. This hearing will be held electronically via Zoom only, using the following information: MEETING ID# 882 4474 2921 https://us02web.zoom.us/j/88244742921 (https://us02web.zoom.us/j/88244742921) Dial-in Information +1 8884754499 US Toll-Free +1 8778535257 US Toll-Free DATE: November 15, 2024 TIME: 08:30 am Eastern Standard Time (30 minutes reserved) MATTERS: Hearing to Choose a Monitor. The Court advises that it will likely appoint either Mr. Hannah or Ms. Garno. The Court wishes to hear any final arguments concerning objections and that the individuals are currently willing and available to serve as a Monitor. THIS MOTION IS SPECIALLY SET AND CANNOT BE CA NCELED OR RESET EXCEPT BY COURT ORDER. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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You mean the Michael Hannah who was working side by side with Crystle Stewart when her entire Miss USA/Miss Brand went up in flames and she and her organization were fired? (NT) -- No name, 21:30:28 11/13/24 Wed (NoHost/38.172.112.247) I’ve known Michael Hannah for over a decade and he’s a good kind decent man. He may have been friends with Crystal but he has integrity and has funded countless programs through his consulting company at no benefit of his own. He would be one of the few people I’d trust to put MAO in the hands of. He also has the business sense and the money to help it stay afloat. I’m shocked he hasn’t been in more of a leadership position before. He was with MAOT but not MAO. He’s a good choice. (NT) -- No name, 23:34:38 11/13/24 Wed (syn-172-088-249-138.res.spectrum.com/172.88.249.138) But why does he need to hop from pageant to pageant? That seems sketchy to me. After the Miss USA stuff that he was involved in he just needs to move on to something else. Highly predict it will be Garbo. Wasn’t Robin trying to get Paula Shugart, former Miss universe president? (NT) -- No name, 13:23:22 11/14/24 Thu (NoHost/172.56.65.35) Michael is an honest guy and is nice enough, but he has had his chance in my opinion. He was on the MAO Board for a short stint during the recent tumultuous years, and he was definitely Crystle’s right hand man when all the Miss USA controversy erupted. He’s now working for Robin under The Miss America Opportunity. In my opinion, I don’t see him speaking out against Robin it there was an issue while he was the mediator. I can’t see any angle in which he supports Glenn as the new owner. We need someone completely unbiased at this point to be the mediator (NT) -- No name, 14:47:14 11/14/24 Thu (NoHost/207.213.181.82) Oh my goodness! I just read the documents and Michael Hannah is on the side of Glenn Straub! Iim truly shocked. I really thought he was on Robin’s side. Apparently they have had a falling out. Man, Robin has all kinds of enemies now. The document says that they had a “physical altercation” in the document. Of course that’s Robin’s perspective. She also is accusing JC Prodictions of stealing $150K from Miss America. Why do I not believe this.? I used to be Team Robin but now I’m starting to realize the truth. I bet Robin owes them 150K but she has flipped it to say they owe her. (NT) -- No name, 23:05:14 11/14/24 Thu (NoHost/38.172.112.247) Michael Hannah? LOL! That guy is so creepy and phoney. Seems to always "resign" positions to avoid being fired. He should not be anywhere near MAO. Even USA booted him. Straub is gathering all the cockroaches. Tells me all I need to know. (NT) -- No name, 13:05:20 11/15/24 Fri (NoHost/146.70.197.168) Did they choose someone? Yes Robin does not like Michael Hannah! -- NA, 16:47:05 11/15/24 Fri (NoHost/107.116.79.126) I’ve met Michael Hannah. Totally sad little mad who basks in the glory of the women around him, it’s sad, honestly god help if he’s involved. (NT) -- No name, 00:54:52 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/172.58.166.205) I have to defend my friend, Michael Hannah. I have known him many years and worked closely with him in the pageant world....a world that can chew people up and spit them out with no remorse whatsoever. Michael is a forensic accountant. His accounting reputation must remain spotless or he loses his livelihood. He does not compromise his principals which is the reason he has moved around in this industry, an industry that could use more honesty and transparency. If he sees something fishy, he moves on. So, you might look at his past associations, it might give you a hint about the ethics of some people/organizations. I would believe him over anyone else! (NT) -- No name, 12:20:31 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/50.86.219.105) Do not gaslight us. Many of us know him. He is a creep. Backstabber, gossiper and oversells his sold called skills until people find out he is the ultimate hanger-on. Not one organization he has "worked with" has anything positive to say about him. Ask around and you will find this to be true. The fact he is in bed with a racist, homophobe to destroy the pageant we love tells me quite a bit about Hannah and his "values." (NT) -- No name, 13:34:09 11/16/24 Sat (NoHost/146.70.197.168) Not one organization he has worked with has anything positive to say about him? That is a stretch, in fact, I call it a big old lie. Nobody is gaslighting here but you. (NT) -- No name, 14:37:35 11/16/24 Sat (syn-070-113-128-069.res.spectrum.com/70.113.128.69) So was this hearing on the 15th and if so what was the results? If not when is the hearing? (NT) -- No name, 08:46:39 11/18/24 Mon (c-73-124-247-43.hsd1.fl.comcast.net/73.124.247.43)

Subject: were there any mothers, married, divorced or trans in MUO 2024 Who and who was the oldest ?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:55:38 11/17/24 Sun (syn-076-176-188-165.res.spectrum.com/76.176.188.165) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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No trans contestants. There were married contestants and some with children. I think the oldest contestant was 40. Most of course were in their 20's. (NT) -- No name, 04:20:56 11/17/24 Sun (c-98-41-68-45.hsd1.ca.comcast.net/98.41.68.45) Check this Miss Universe 2024 website listing for names and ages of the 125 contestants. Miss Malta is 40 years old, though not sure if Beatrice is married. Anyone know the list of those who are married and those married or unmarried with children? Seems like a complicated mess--just have single women enter and compete, hence the pageant title of MISS as in Miss Universe...its not Ms. Universe. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Universe_2024 Ages should be 18 to 26., 04:58:25 11/17/24 Sun (syn-035-148-093-143.res.spectrum.com/35.148.93.143) In the early years, married women competed at Miss USA and Miss Universe from 1952 to 1956. Miss India 1952, Indrani Rahman (1930 – 1999) was a married mother of two children. She did not make the semifinals at the inaugural 1952 Miss Universe pageant. They changed the rule in 1957, immediately affecting Miss USA 1957, Leona Gage from Maryland, who won but was dethroned after competing in the 1957 Miss Universe preliminary. It was discovered that Leona Gage, a married mother of two children, had lied about her age, claiming to be 21 when she was actually 18. (NT) -- No name, 05:43:24 11/17/24 Sun (172-13-128-90.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/172.13.128.90) Miss USA 1957, Leona Gage passed away in 2010, at the age of 71. (NT) -- No name, 06:45:31 11/17/24 Sun (172-13-130-188.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/172.13.130.188) Venezuela is a mother and the oldest contestant is Malta (40). (NT) -- No name, 04:54:39 11/17/24 Sun (172-13-128-90.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/172.13.128.90) So many countries but no Miss Sweden? (NT) -- No name, 05:22:35 11/17/24 Sun (174-20-131-197.mpls.qwest.net/174.20.131.197) Swedish society has decided that beauty pageants are irrelevant and it no longer wishes to be represented in them. There hasn't been a Miss Sweden at Miss Universe since 2021. (NT) -- No name, 17:42:01 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) There were 14 candidates competing who are mothers. Link below to Cosmo.ph who published the list of the 14 titleholders. -- Anon, 05:41:05 11/17/24 Sun (214.sub-174-242-66.myvzw.com/174.242.66.214) Can we celebrate that out of 125 countries not a single man in the field! (NT) -- No name, 13:14:06 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Puerto Rico is the only divorced one. She has 3 children. I think 17? are married. No transvestites this year. (NT) -- No name, 17:48:17 11/17/24 Sun (107-179-250-136.cpe.teksavvy.com/107.179.250.136) According to the CNN write-up after the pageant, there were almost two dozen titleholders who were older than the previous age limit. (NT) -- Anon, 19:44:11 11/17/24 Sun (214.sub-174-242-66.myvzw.com/174.242.66.214) And IMO most of the older ones stood out as older. Not a good things. Miss Universe needs an age limit. Periodt. (NT) -- No name, 06:47:35 11/18/24 Mon (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) Service Offered -- Apex Service (Service), 08:35:37 11/18/24 Mon (NoHost/41.217.46.224)

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RUMOR: MUO lowering minimum age requirements

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Date Posted: 00:49:39 11/18/24 Mon
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Saw this on a Miss Universe fan site’s SM post :

“On January 2024, after the announcement of the removal of age limits, it was reported that the Miss Universe Organization is lowering the minimum age requirement from 18 to 10 starting with the 2025 pageant, with similar protocols to Miss Teen USA being used if the winner is aged 10-17. Following the nomination of Matt Gaetz to United States Attorney General by President-elect of the United States and former MUO owner Donald Trump, these reports have resurfaced, with a minimum age being lowered to 6 instead of the originally reported 10. This has not yet been confirmed or denied by the MUO.”

If this is true (which I HIGHLY DOUBT), RIP MUO (1952-2025)

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Subject: Dropped out?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:18:58 11/17/24 Sun (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) Throughout Miss Universe they keep repeating there were 125 contestants. Didn’t they start with 130? I know Panama was DQ, and South Africa left, but who else? Was it there a contestant from Zaire? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Go to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Universe_2024 (NT) -- No name, 13:39:33 11/17/24 Sun (172-13-128-90.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/172.13.128.90) Kosovo also withdrew. (NT) -- No name, 17:18:52 11/17/24 Sun (NoHost/167.187.101.179) They started with 129. Azerbaijan did not show up in Mexico. Zaire is now the Democratic Republic of Congo. It was represented at Miss Universe this year. (NT) -- No name, 17:47:17 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) That's right. 127 competed at MW in 2014 in Indonesia, so this was the second biggest international pageant ever. (NT) -- No name, 18:01:00 11/17/24 Sun (107-179-250-136.cpe.teksavvy.com/107.179.250.136)

Subject: Which edition is better? El Sal or Mex?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:20:47 11/17/24 Sun (host-157-100-136-27.ecua.net.ec/157.100.136.27) Winner-wise, I find Denmark has more sparkle. Production-wise, El Salvador is still ahead. I really enjoyed that show. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Official Miss Universe Continental Queens
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:44:26 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Europe and Middle East: Finland Africa and Oceana:Nigeria Americas: Peru Asia: Philippines They will now travel the world together with Miss Universe. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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2025 Miss Universe will take place in Thailand (NT) -- No name, 00:48:26 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Source please? Is that official? (NT) -- No name, 08:00:11 11/17/24 Sun (NoHost/111.90.219.101) Press conference, Miss Universe has been awarded million dollars in diamonds. She is truly a queen (NT) -- No name, 00:52:02 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Wait but... how were these girls chosen? These were not the highest ranked girls from each reason according to the results... (NT) -- whoo, 00:59:45 11/17/24 Sun (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) I'm going to say these are personal picks by way of Anne. Finland and Nigeria makes sense but Philippines and Peru make zero sense as it should have been Thailand and Mexico . Its shocking, Mexico is going home empty handed (NT) -- No name, 01:08:32 11/17/24 Sun (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Highest in prelims (NT) -- ., 11:39:52 11/17/24 Sun (NoHost/172.59.114.248) Mexico looked like a man (NT) -- No name, 01:56:43 11/17/24 Sun (syn-076-176-188-165.res.spectrum.com/76.176.188.165) I eliminated both Mexico and Canada from any chance to win because both gowns were just entirely too much over the top. (NT) -- No name, 10:26:17 11/17/24 Sun (216-98-91-178.access.naxs.com/216.98.91.178) Handing out other sashes is silly. It cheapens the organization. (NT) -- lee, 12:45:15 11/17/24 Sun (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245)

Subject: This is Mrs. Nebraska American (not America)-arrested in fraud scheme
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:23:41 11/16/24 Sat (syn-035-150-243-209.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.209) https://www.yahoo.com/news/nebraska-beauty-queen-accused-bilking-130411511.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Mrs. America and Mrs. American are the same pageant organization -- the "American" title goes to the first runner up. So Mrs. Nebraska American was the first runner up to Mrs. Nebraska America. (NT) -- No name, 21:15:50 11/16/24 Sat (c-98-225-78-159.hsd1.az.comcast.net/98.225.78.159)

Subject: Robin
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:00:33 10/24/24 Thu (NoHost/159.123.253.1) What were the first two things she told us when taking over: * I will never hold the pageant during the holidays * I have enough money to run Miss America for another 100 years. Her track record has not improved since then. Now she & Ryan are claiming victory and spreading more lies. -Glenn & his team need to be sent every communication they send out -The IRS needs to be called to review the finances - The last 3 classes need to make a record of monies owed - Testimony needs to be taken from vendors here and at FL/CA USA -EDs need to find their voice and demand answers We can not let more damage be done to this organization [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Who did the lawyers assign to be the monitor? (NT) -- No name, 18:15:35 10/25/24 Fri (pool-98-113-202-63.nycmny.fios.verizon.net/98.113.202.63) Ahhh, so YOU’RE the mole!! Got it! She told US, as in state leadership? You’re not a very good mole. (NT) -- No name, 11:58:46 10/26/24 Sat (184.sub-174-224-195.myvzw.com/174.224.195.184) Lol pretty sure that was common knowledge babe. She said it anytime she had the chance to whoever would listen. (NT) -- No name, 19:18:18 10/26/24 Sat (syn-024-163-059-002.res.spectrum.com/24.163.59.2) If Robin loses will she have to pay Glenn's legal costs? -- No name, 14:57:05 10/26/24 Sat (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) Very good & thorough To Do List (NT) -- No name, 14:09:34 10/27/24 Sun (mail.basketballcity.com/38.96.160.130) The IRS has no reason to engage. Non-starter esp since Glennie's claim to have conducted an extensive audit is FALSE and his own comptroller testified there was no audit. . No doubt the Ables and the Petco gals are sending him everything they get from their moles so pretty sure he is getting all the communications. Question is, can the self-avowed racist read?. lol. Now for the broken record about scholarships. Do yu guys just keep repeating the same bs cuz that is all you got? Robin is not responsible for the scholarships except for the ONE class that competed under her organization. I have read multiple times here how this works with the contract I suggest you do too so you can stop being such a fool. Why would we cre about vendors in Fl/Ca? Robin was not the license holder of either of those. Only the producer. EDs are fine with Robin's leadership and want nothing to do with Straub who falsifies docs and is under federal indictment for doing so not to mention is damning reputation. (NT) -- No name, 18:28:14 10/27/24 Sun (NoHost/146.70.197.176) She is so done, Glenn has won. She even admitted to using scholarship money to pay attorney fees for this lawsuit (NT) -- No name, 18:55:41 10/27/24 Sun (108-239-242-250.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net/108.239.242.250) "Using scholarship money" .. tell me you don't understand nonprofit organization management without telling me you don't understand nonprofit management. Funds earmarked for general operations can be used for anything regarding the nonprofit (like legal fees) while funds marked specifically for scholarships cannot be used in this manner. (NT) -- No name, 19:45:26 10/27/24 Sun (c-71-224-85-159.hsd1.pa.comcast.net/71.224.85.159) Legal fees for the nonprofit itself sure, legal fees for an employee? Iffy (NT) -- No name, 20:59:11 10/27/24 Sun (NoHost/172.56.106.39) “Robin Fleming and The Miss America Scholarship Foundation” are both listed as defendants. Meaning the general funds from the nonprofit can, in fact, be used for legal fees. (NT) -- No name, 21:23:16 10/27/24 Sun (NoHost/146.75.223.140) It feels like she is a Lame Duck and we are all just waiting for new leadership to come in. (NT) -- No name, 16:02:10 11/02/24 Sat (mail.basketballcity.com/38.96.160.130) Robin the snake oil saleswoman -- No name, 20:32:45 11/02/24 Sat (NoHost/107.115.227.143)

Subject: THIS OFFICIAL FROM THE MISS UNIVERSE ORG.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:32:01 11/12/24 Tue (c-98-41-68-45.hsd1.ca.comcast.net/98.41.68.45) The 2024 Miss Universe Pageant will not be televised in English in the United States; it is expected to air primarily on Spanish-language networks like Telemundo. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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well that is dumb! (NT) -- No name, 21:02:43 11/12/24 Tue (fttu-216-41-241-45.btes.tv/216.41.241.45) Easy to boycott. (NT) -- No name, 21:47:23 11/12/24 Tue (syn-071-073-049-249.res.spectrum.com/71.73.49.249) they do not want anericans to watch (NT) -- No name, 23:57:47 11/12/24 Tue (syn-172-117-149-048.res.spectrum.com/172.117.149.48) What happened to the USA network? (NT) -- No name, 02:07:47 11/13/24 Wed (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) So let me get this straight.........the pageant is headquartered in the US and always has been, but they are not going to let Americans watch it? What kind of sense does that make? (NT) -- No name, 09:57:19 11/13/24 Wed (216-98-91-178.access.naxs.com/216.98.91.178) If I were Miss USA, I would just pack my bags and come home. It was iffy that she would place anyway, this just seals the deal. (NT) -- No name, 11:22:09 11/13/24 Wed (syn-065-188-072-055.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.55) Miss USA is not in any of the Top 5 estimates on betting sites and very few sites have her in the Top 10 (NT) -- No name, 03:47:28 11/14/24 Thu (syn-035-150-243-209.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.209) Miss Universe is no longer owned by (real) US entities. It’s co-owned by Anne Jakkaphong Jakrajutatip (Thai) and Raúl Rocha Cantú (Mex) (NT) -- No name, 13:33:54 11/13/24 Wed (NoHost/104.28.55.107) I believe the MUO is headquartered in Bangkok now. The USA based MUO had franchise fees so high that supporters who would like their countries to compete could not afford it. Now there are 127 contestants from ALL over the world; it is global, and not catering to American interests anymore. (NT) -- No name, 16:39:59 11/13/24 Wed (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) Sorry for being behind the times about who owns it and where they may be located, but that does not change the fact that it has been a TV institution in the US since the 50s and it will be a darn shame if American audiences can't see it this year. Someone really dropped the ball on that. (NT) -- No name, 19:48:44 11/13/24 Wed (216-98-91-178.access.naxs.com/216.98.91.178) /entertainment/when-is-miss-universe-2024-dates-times-how-to-watch-on-tv-and-stream-online-n/?outputType=amp (NT) -- No name, 20:18:10 11/13/24 Wed (NoHost/206.189.84.163) Truth be told, Anne basically said FU to Paula and the entire American audience and I'm not mad. The USA market is tragic for miss universe and no one cares. It is doubtful that USA will even make the cut she is unattractive. Just watch on Telemundo and move on (NT) -- No name, 06:58:50 11/14/24 Thu (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) But the flip side of the coin is that if USA is no longer "grandfathered" in to place at Miss Universe, and c'mon, people, you know there are many years we were just in there because the sash said "USA", that does not bode well for Laylah Rose and the USA organization. (NT) -- No name, 10:30:04 11/14/24 Thu (syn-065-188-072-099.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.99) Then why ask American hosts and performers? (NT) -- Does Culpo speak Spanish? Are you sure it won’t be on YouTube live?, 10:31:36 11/14/24 Thu (NoHost/104.28.76.236) Idk why Olivia is back but she did improve hosting last year. Mario is a fake Mexican who identify as white , I'm not sure why he is hosting? Even worse why is Robin thicke performing? (NT) -- No name, 17:31:20 11/14/24 Thu (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Agree that Mario Lopez fails as a host of beauty pageants. (NT) -- no name, 20:08:34 11/14/24 Thu (ip72-220-130-86.sd.sd.cox.net/72.220.130.86) Its going to stream on ROKU. www.therokuchannel.com (NT) -- No name, 11:40:39 11/14/24 Thu (NoHost/38.109.231.20) Do we know the time so we can check all these possible sources? (NT) -- No name, 12:31:55 11/14/24 Thu (216-98-91-178.access.naxs.com/216.98.91.178) 8pm ET on Roku. Preliminary will be free stream in Spanish on Telemundo website (NT) -- No name, 16:48:59 11/14/24 Thu (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) It will be on Apple TV (NT) -- No name, 12:34:13 11/14/24 Thu (infong479.perfora.net/74.208.56.182) This presentation show is terrible. No introductions, 90 minutes of national costume with shaynece and rbonny screaming to the top of they lungs followed by the most hideous swimsuits ever with more of the hosts screaming. USA national costume, I understood the context but she looked like a minstrel. Red lipstick is a no for her and this was consistent feedback from miss USA, she looked absolutely horrible (NT) -- No name, 23:00:01 11/14/24 Thu (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Do they teach them how to scream like that when they show up for the pageant? Did someone forget to tell them that the venue was equipped with microphones. No need to shout as if the place is on fire. (NT) -- No name, 00:18:30 11/15/24 Fri (syn-065-188-072-097.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.97) It truly was awful. Some contestants littered the stage with their "surprise" reveals, and others had to walk through it. Several contestants did not return for the evening gown competition. They were promised an evening gown competition and instead had to stand motionless on stage in groups of six. A truly blown opportunity to showcase some magnificent gowns. (NT) -- No name, 00:21:59 11/15/24 Fri (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) I turned it off after 2.5 hours in and they were still in swimsuits barely in the D country group. Just watched the 10 minutes of gowns.. boy what a disaster. USA again looks ridiculous that gown is hideous on her. I will say Filipinas looked amazing in blue but she seems very timid. Can't say much about the other countries. Anne, Osmel, and that Mexican owner have turned miss universe into nurstra bellaza and that pageant is a pain to watch. (NT) -- No name, 04:46:27 11/15/24 Fri (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) ....So this is actually true---no English-speaking cable network will air Miss Universe live from Mexico later tonight?? Only the Spanlsh-language (and Miss Universe obsessed) Telemundo will air the 2024 Miss Universe show at 8 pm/7 pm tonight? Also, someone noted here on Friday night, and its -- true, that channel will have a pre-show at 6 pm/5 pm tonight but no encore., 01:34:11 11/16/24 Sat (syn-035-148-093-143.res.spectrum.com/35.148.93.143)

Subject: Miss Universe update news
Author: Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:08:12 11/15/24 Fri (syn-047-225-246-099.biz.spectrum.com/47.225.246.99) For those who made a Miss Universe 2024 prediction list, which includes Miss South Africa and Miss Kosovo, you might want to make a reconsideration as both have left the international competition in Mexico. For Miss Kosovo 2024, Edona Bajrami, at 37, who suffered an injury to her left foot, which required her to wear an immobilizing boot, does not even belong in the pageant, which should be for women ages 18 to 26, at most. http://www.hola.com/us/entertainment/20241116730454/two-more-candidates-out-miss-universe-2024-what-happened/ And the people of South Africa can thank Mia Le Roux for that country now not airing the 2024 Miss Universe show, as if folks there would not like to see the pageant anyway? http://x.com/PhilMphela/status/1857428791896789445?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet And odd, the USA Network still lists the movie The Hobbit for tomorrow night, same time slot as what we are misled (?) to think will be the two-hour Miss Universe show? http://www.tvinsider.com/network/usa-network/schedule/ Does anyone know if actually the 2024 Miss Universe pageant is tape delayed tomorrow for broadcast on USA at a later date? But American Telemundo has a two-hour Miss Universe preshow Saturday from 6--8 pm Eastern/5--7 pm Central, and then the live pageant show telecast. And now its Emilio Estefan's turn...he will be involved with the 2024 Miss Universe show in Mexico, while his wife Gloria Estefan performed at the 1986 and 2004 Miss Universe broadcast shows from Panama City, Panama and then in Quito, Ecuador: http://www.billboard.com/music/latin/emilio-estefan-miss-universe-2024-mexico-interview-1235830986/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVwnP-Gk9nE [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Miss Universe will be broadcast live on Roku, I saw the ad on my Roku screen this morning. Miss universe has no age limit, I think there is at least two women in their 40s competing. There is at least a handful of men competing but they have been mum on the transvestites this year. South Africa is a sore loser, it's ridiculous because the Nigerian girl was the best bet in the country yet they ran her out. South Africa loss is Nigeria gain, she will make the cut on controversy alone. (NT) -- No name, 20:49:08 11/15/24 Fri (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) Well setting aside this Roku stuff---not all have such ability to see whatever Roku is......back to USA is that network airing it or not or did they forget to change online website and remote tv scheduling? They list The Hobbit movie all over. -- ......may end-up just watching Telemundo pre-show and the pageant there., 21:20:07 11/15/24 Fri (syn-047-225-246-099.biz.spectrum.com/47.225.246.99) For American viewers it's only Roku, stream for free https://therokuchannel.roku.com/ (NT) -- No name, 21:25:52 11/15/24 Fri (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) With that online system of Roku, is there the ability to record the entire pageant show as if how one had the old vcr method? -- And can the Telemundo pre-show (6-8 pm Saturday) be seen afterwards anywhere?, 21:32:23 11/15/24 Fri (syn-047-225-246-099.biz.spectrum.com/47.225.246.99) If it is the same way as it has been the past 2 years on Roku, they will run miss universe on replay for about 48 hours straight. Telemundo I am positive will rebroadcast at some point within the 24 hours (NT) -- No name, 21:34:26 11/15/24 Fri (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105)

Subject: Miss Universe Preliminary
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 06:26:52 11/15/24 Fri (syn-071-070-078-105.res.spectrum.com/71.70.78.105) https://www.youtube.com/live/6Wr25s8aVYE?si=nFK-UuKpRDbvvpWQ Check out this disaster. If you didn't think Miss Universe could get any worse watch this 3.5 hour disaster. Cliffs Preliminary each judge spent 3 minutes individually with each delegate for interview. Only national costume and swimsuit were scored preliminary night. Evening gown was initially not to be included in preliminary but the girls and queens (men in drag) in Mexico revolted and yesterday it was announced Gown would be back. By this point,the show was 3 hours in and many girls did not show up on stage. The actual gown presentation itself was only 12 minutes with groups of 6. This was not scored. Very important:The top 30 we will see Saturday are only based on interview,costume,and swimsuit with interview I think 50 percent or more of final score. The top 30 will compete in swimsuit and represent a top 4 from each region. So girls that have no business in the top 0 will get called.top 12 will compete in gown then a final 5. Rbonny Gabriel never needs to host again. She sounded like Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian circa 2000s. Europe has some beautiful girls this year but they are completely invisible compared to the latins. Speaking of the Latins, Cuba is beautiful. However, I do not support white facing cubans. I am positive she loves in Miami. Poor South Africa withdrew last night. Its really shameful as Nigeria, who is stunning but is completely lost in the field, would have had better prep styling and confidence under the South African banner. South Africa will regret this decision. USA is an absolute embarrassment. I couldn't think USA prelim performance could get worse than some of the bombs of years past but this girl just ain't it. Asia is another bomb. I will say Cambodia is the top in this group, she was confident all around. Its certain, unfortunately, that Filipinas and Thailand will take 2 Asian spots. Fiji is absolutely adorable. I will actually say all of the new islands competing are all adorable but there is no change in hell any are getting the call. Reality tells me this is another latina crown to loose. While Mexico is host, their girl didn't do it for me. Yet, politics and a Mexican owner will ensure a victory. Anne has ruined Miss Universe. But I can't say this beautiful confident, as Paula and that lesbian Anne who Paula professed her love for a year ago, had already ruined Miss Universe. This is the first miss universe I have had zero interest in. Its basically a clown show and if you watch the 60 minutes of swimsuit, you will see just that. You have girls looking like this is miss grand international making the most awkward poses while rbonny and shaynece are screaming in the background. I am embarrassed 😳 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It was truly a train wreck. I could not believe the evening gown debacle. This is so unfair to pick semifinalists from regions. There are some entire continents that deserve to make the cut and some continents that don't have a contender in the bunch, but will still be up there. Plus, National Costume is being judged for placement? So of those costumes you have to look ugly to make them effective. Stupid idea. Plus, all that yelling and screaming.....my nerves were shot. There were some beauties last night, then there were the.....others. It's a shame that they are having to compete in an apopoplectic version of a once beautiful pageant. (NT) -- No name, 09:17:33 11/15/24 Fri (syn-065-188-072-097.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.97) The worst ever. The worst. It reminded me of the 100th anniversary of Miss America where the girls wore their evening gowns on stage but there was no evening gown competition. (NT) -- No name, 09:56:55 11/15/24 Fri (NoHost/107.115.163.12) R'Bonney and Sheynnis were mispronouncing the names of the countries all night. Eritrea (Er-i-tray-a) was pronounced (U-ree-trah) all night. First time participant nation, I doubt they will compete again after that travesty. It sounded like "Urethra". The male host pronounced ZAM-bia as zam-Bee-a. It's disrespectful. (NT) -- No name, 16:25:54 11/15/24 Fri (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) Also the 'United "Arabic" Emirates'. Zambia had to walk through the confetti left behind by Vietnam during the costume show. Zambia wore a floor-length costume that gathered the confetti as she walked. She was being judged this way. (NT) -- No name, 16:38:21 11/15/24 Fri (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) 126 countries was nothing more than a money grab. 90 percent of new and returning countries won't even be seen tomorrow night. Apparently introductions is only the country name. Calling top 30 will drag for a good 2 hours and any non latin America country will be eliminated at top 30. Filipinas and Thailand will make it to 12. (NT) -- No name, 16:48:43 11/15/24 Fri (mobile-166-199-148-052.mycingular.net/166.199.148.52) That male host last night should have been named Colby Kraft. He was that cheesy. Also, that R'bonny chick......speaking off the cuff is not her strong suit. But apparently tmyelling as if the venue was on fire seems to come quite easy for her. (NT) -- No name, 21:26:38 11/15/24 Fri (158.sub-174-210-69.myvzw.com/174.210.69.158)

Subject: My Top 30 after prelims
Author: whoo [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:04:00 11/15/24 Fri (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) MISS UNIVERSE: Ecuador 1RU: Venezuela 2RU: Thailand TOP 5: France Philippines TOP 12: Bonaire Brazil Cambodia China Curacao Germany Malta TOP 30: Angola Argentina Bangladesh Canada Cuba Denmark Egypt Honduras Jamaica Mexico New Zealand Nigeria Puerto Rico Somalia Trinidad & Tobago USA Uzbekistan Zimbabwe [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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So over the same Venezuelan and Thai bots every year. (NT) -- lee, 11:07:14 11/15/24 Fri (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) I do not understand why USA gets no love here. She is beautiful. Her gown was one of the best and her swimsuit was killer. Venezuela's ss performance was meh. Puerto Rico is lovely but don't see her winning although her gown was a knock-out. (NT) -- No name, 13:11:01 11/15/24 Fri (NoHost/146.70.197.168) She’s not the best face but she’s super sexy (NT) -- No name, 16:13:25 11/15/24 Fri (host-181-199-54-49.ecua.net.ec/181.199.54.49) USA looked absolutely disgusting in costume. Laylah didn't tell her red lipstick is a no. If Paula was still around, Alma would easily make it in just like Summer, Asia, Deshauna, and Kira. Not one of them deserved to make the cut. I do not forsee Alma getting the call especially with Osmel at the helm, one of the Americas spots will be for another latina. (NT) -- No name, 16:59:53 11/15/24 Fri (mobile-166-199-148-052.mycingular.net/166.199.148.52) Wow... Just wow (NT) -- No name, 18:00:45 11/15/24 Fri (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) Chile will be up there (NT) -- No name, 17:12:11 11/15/24 Fri (NoHost/172.56.84.144) I agree. I have her in my top 5. (NT) -- No name, 18:41:29 11/15/24 Fri (74-112-119-105.static.hrtc.net/74.112.119.105) Is this to suggest (what is listed above) there will only be three top finalists tomorrow night and not five---and/or a third and fourth runner-up? And checking schedule listing via tv remote for USA network, they do not list Miss Universe for tomorrow (Saturday) night. Telemundo does list -- a two-hour pre-show then also the 8 pm/7 pm pageant live telecast---in Spanish., 18:00:23 11/15/24 Fri (syn-047-225-246-099.biz.spectrum.com/47.225.246.99) OP here - wasn't until after I posted that I realized it won't be a Top 3! So no new info, just my mistake hah (NT) -- whoo, 18:42:56 11/15/24 Fri (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249)

Subject: is there a place to swap pageant dvds
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:01:49 11/05/24 Tue (syn-172-117-149-048.res.spectrum.com/172.117.149.48) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Not a place to swap, but have you checked out Pageants Hayday on You Tube? ( yes, that is the correct spelling) This guy has collated about 500 old pageant Dvds on this fantastic site. Mostly old MAO state pageants. Just finished watching a slew of old Miss TX pageants dating back to the early 70's. (NT) -- No name, 15:23:38 11/06/24 Wed (syn-065-188-072-076.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.76) I just went to Youtube and I think it is Heyday (with an E). I could be wrong, but that's where I found it. (NT) -- No name, 20:57:14 11/06/24 Wed (syn-076-185-110-174.res.spectrum.com/76.185.110.174) Yes, he has now changed the spelling. Initially he explained why he had to spell it with an "a" but I've forgotten what he said. Anyway, it's a great site if you are interested in past pageants. (NT) -- No name, 11:29:33 11/07/24 Thu (syn-065-188-072-135.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.135) Go to "Tom's Page of Miss Universe Mania" website. He has a long list of pageant dvds at https://www.tpmum.com/videotr.html (NT) -- No name, 18:44:41 11/13/24 Wed (172-13-128-90.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/172.13.128.90)

Subject: Does anyone know when Miss America tickets will go on sale?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:50:17 11/03/24 Sun (NoHost/172.56.241.42) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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If you go on Dr Phillips website it Disney even showing that it is there. -- None, 15:24:31 11/04/24 Mon (NoHost/172.58.240.11) sorry correction doesn’t even show it’s there -- No name* (None), 16:03:10 11/04/24 Mon (NoHost/172.58.240.11) It is showing, just not highlighted. Scroll to the end of December/early January and you will find the logo for Teen and Miss. https://www.drphillipscenter.org/events/ for everything. This is specific and just says tickets on sale soon. https://www.drphillipscenter.org/events/tickets/2025/miss-america-and-miss-americas-teen/ (NT) -- No name, 17:19:55 11/04/24 Mon (c-73-98-223-111.hsd1.ut.comcast.net/73.98.223.111) Thanks! -- None, 22:05:40 11/04/24 Mon (NoHost/172.58.240.11) They go on sale tomorrow, November 8th at 9:00 CST. (NT) -- Moderator, 22:28:00 11/07/24 Thu (c-67-172-2-116.hsd1.ar.comcast.net/67.172.2.116) MAO Tickets -- No name, 22:31:17 11/07/24 Thu (c-73-68-43-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net/73.68.43.104) I think they are already sold out?? (NT) -- No name, 10:20:20 11/08/24 Fri (ip98-168-202-246.om.om.cox.net/98.168.202.246) They are not (NT) -- No name, 10:24:47 11/08/24 Fri (NoHost/172.56.65.35) You are correct. When I clicked on the link sent by Miss America i got a message "no tickets available". When I went to Phillips Center site there were tickets (this was for Miss Finals that I was looking) (NT) -- No name, 11:18:36 11/08/24 Fri (ip98-168-202-246.om.om.cox.net/98.168.202.246) I got tickets were available but way up in the nose bleed section. All others sold out unless you are in a wheelchair. (NT) -- No name, 14:48:54 11/08/24 Fri (NoHost/161.69.54.14) Tickets left are last row of balcony for $125. (NT) -- No name, 08:50:21 11/13/24 Wed (syn-065-030-210-128.res.spectrum.com/65.30.210.128)

Subject: How will the Dominican Republic do since she got into a situation with Panama?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:54:31 11/07/24 Thu (syn-068-117-196-203.res.spectrum.com/68.117.196.203) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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That narrative is falsely reported. Panama was disqualified after she went outside her room to visit an advisor, despite MUO demands they all stay in their rooms during off-time hours. They were afraid one or more of the contestants would be kidnapped, which would fuel a major diplomatic crisis for Mexico and the countries involved. Was Mexico the right choice as a host? (NT) -- No name, 13:08:20 11/08/24 Fri (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) No , The pageant should not be in Mexico (NT) -- No name, 13:28:01 11/08/24 Fri (56.sub-174-193-200.myvzw.com/174.193.200.56) I remember when Mexico hosted the pageant some years back. The winner, Puerto Rico barely made it to the finals. The audience was so loud that host, Dick Clark joked that they were lucky to get out alive. Also, the Hispanic candidates are mostly white women. (NT) -- no name, 23:02:08 11/08/24 Fri (ip72-220-130-86.sd.sd.cox.net/72.220.130.86) Was that the pageant where Mexico did not make the semi finals and the audience booed loudly? (NT) -- No name, 04:43:42 11/09/24 Sat (syn-068-117-196-203.res.spectrum.com/68.117.196.203) I just read an article where the girl left her room to meet with her boyfriend and her national director in another room. It appears that she needed money to cover hotel expenses (?). She said her boyfriend was paying for everything as the national director could not afford it. As a result of this interview, she was also stripped of the Miss Panama title. According to the boyfriend, he also paid for a 7000. Caroline Herrera dress for the competition. It's a shame, as this woman is gorgeous! (NT) -- No name, 11:55:02 11/09/24 Sat (syn-065-188-072-011.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.11) She needed him to hand her cash? She is not a victim. She did not need to see either, she wanted to see them. (NT) -- All competitions have rules. If you do not like them, don’tenter., 12:25:43 11/09/24 Sat (NoHost/104.28.76.239) According to the article, she said that she had to get cash from the boyfriend to pay for the hotel room as the Miss Panama director did not have funds. Doesn't the Miss Universe Pageant pay for contestants rooms. Also, she told the pageant officials that the director had been in the room the whole time with she and her boyfriend. However, she still got kicked out. Also, after she told everyone the director had no money, she lost the Miss Panama title. (NT) -- No name, 17:19:16 11/09/24 Sat (syn-065-188-072-011.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.11) Forget Miss Universe, can she just go to Miss International, Miss Globe, Miss World, or Miss Earth as the entrant from Panama? When and who was the last time that a Miss Universe entrant -- at the host location (not back home) got disqualified--and for what??, 20:22:05 11/10/24 Sun (50-93-217-17.restechservices.net/50.93.217.17) Sh should go to Miss Grand International. That seems to be the hot international pageant. Gotta get some mileage out of that 7000 dress. In answer to your question....I do remember a Miss Turks and Caicos leaving Miss Universe one year, due to "illness." There were some rumors that she was disqualified. (NT) -- No name, 10:33:50 11/11/24 Mon (syn-065-188-072-029.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.29) Well, most countries have individual pageants for those international competitions---Miss Sweden Globe, Miss Sweden Universe, Miss Sweden World sort of thing, but maybe if Panama has one or two country pageants she could be an appointed entrant for Panama for some other pageant system--such as the one noted here Miss Grand International. -- So, its only one contestant out for Miss Universe bring it to 126 total entrants now for Saturday?, 16:11:51 11/11/24 Mon (syn-137-027-094-098.biz.spectrum.com/137.27.94.98) It probably was the way the audience acts whenever someone else is chosen. (NT) -- It's now Miss Latina Universe. No wonder other countries are less than enthusiastic to participate., 16:56:18 11/12/24 Tue (wsip-174-79-254-46.sd.sd.cox.net/174.79.254.46)

Subject: Amber Hulse wins state senate
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:55:28 11/06/24 Wed (NoHost/180.190.30.236) Miss South Dakota 2019-20 and Miss South Dakota USA 2023 Amber Hulse just won South Dakota Senate under District 30. https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/state-regional/government-politics/elections/hulse-ladner-and-goodwin-win-in-south-dakota-district-30/article_7c3a99a6-9c6c-11ef-aa29-0f34fadc3391.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Wonderful news (NT) -- No name, 02:52:58 11/08/24 Fri (NoHost/138.197.11.98)

Subject: Robin Thicke has been announced as a performer at Miss Universe. I KNOW you all have opinions on this announcement. So let's discuss.
Author: Anon [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:43:51 11/10/24 Sun (140.sub-174-196-194.myvzw.com/174.196.194.140) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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His dad, Alan Thicke (who died at 69 on December 16, 2016), hosted the CBS broadcast of the1988 Miss Universe pageant when it was held at Lin Kou Arena in Taoyuan, Taipei, Taiwan, ROC when Courtney Gibbs of Texas competed as Miss USA (top ten) and lost to Miss Thailand, Porntip (Bui Simon) Nakhirunkanok who also won Best National Costume. -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=BmDiOVmguIs. Who technically crowned Thailand?, 20:12:49 11/10/24 Sun (50-93-217-17.restechservices.net/50.93.217.17) Robin’s song “Magic” was used as background music during the evening gown segment at Miss Universe 2008. (NT) -- No name, 11:28:33 11/12/24 Tue (NoHost/208.127.85.241)

Subject: MISS UNIVERSE TELEVISED ON NOVEMBER 16TH
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:10:46 11/09/24 Sat (c-98-41-68-45.hsd1.ca.comcast.net/98.41.68.45) Will the USA Network carry the Miss Universe Competition on November 16th? Yes, the USA Network will indeed carry the Miss Universe Competition on November 16, 2024. This year marks the 73rd edition of the pageant, which will be held at the Arena CDMX in Mexico City, Mexico. The event is significant as it is expected to feature representatives from approximately 130 countries, making it one of the largest competitions in its history. The broadcast arrangements for this year’s pageant include a live airing on Telemundo, which is the exclusive Spanish-language home for viewers in the United States. Additionally, it will be available simultaneously on Telemundo Internacional and USA Network cable channels for audiences across Spanish-speaking Latin America. This means that viewers in the U.S. who prefer to watch in English can also tune into the USA Network to catch all the action of this prestigious event. The reigning Miss Universe, Shennis Palacios from Nicaragua, will crown her successor during this ceremony, which promises to showcase not only beauty but also cultural richness and social missions from contestants around the globe. In summary, the USA Network will carry the Miss Universe Competition on November 16th. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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If I don’t get USA Network, how else can I watch it live in the US? (NT) -- No name, 14:17:57 11/09/24 Sat (syn-172-254-044-186.biz.spectrum.com/172.254.44.186) My cable system is showing Hobbit: Desolation from 6:30 to 10 PM on the 16th. (NT) -- No name, 10:10:58 11/10/24 Sun (174-20-109-39.mpls.qwest.net/174.20.109.39) Mine too. (NT) -- No name, 10:20:09 11/10/24 Sun (NoHost/204.116.155.173) It's airing on Usa Latin not American Usa. Stop spreading this information. (NT) -- ., 12:57:22 11/10/24 Sun (NoHost/172.59.114.248) What a complete crock of bullshit that it's not airing on USA network in the U.S. (NT) -- The MUO lied, completely lied!!!, 15:29:32 11/10/24 Sun (syn-097-081-008-172.res.spectrum.com/97.81.8.172) What time is it to be televised? (NT) -- No name, 17:38:26 11/10/24 Sun (c-67-172-2-116.hsd1.ar.comcast.net/67.172.2.116) Will it not be on their You Tube channel the next day? (NT) -- No name, 10:35:44 11/11/24 Mon (syn-065-188-072-029.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.29) Please update throughout the week with any viewing options. (NT) -- Moderator, 13:44:48 11/11/24 Mon (c-67-172-2-116.hsd1.ar.comcast.net/67.172.2.116) It's going to be shown on APPLE TV (NT) -- No name, 13:10:36 11/12/24 Tue (NoHost/216.125.37.210)

Subject: I really miss Pageant Resale not being around anymore-can anyone suggest a similar site for resale of gowns, especially Sherri Hill
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:02:35 11/07/24 Thu (syn-068-117-196-203.res.spectrum.com/68.117.196.203) Many thanks [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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What happened to them? I believe owner was Rachel? BEST site ever for resale gowns. (NT) -- No name, 09:49:54 11/08/24 Fri (208-104-51-97.cgnat.rkhlsc.dyn.comporium.net/208.104.51.97) Ive had the best luck on Facebook marketplace and Queenly. (NT) -- No name, 18:34:04 11/08/24 Fri (WLESS-v987-NAT.net.wsu.edu/69.166.46.188) I need to sell a lot pagent gowns! Also interview and pagent wear! I'll never be a size 0-2 again or competition shape. So I have no reason to keep the interview/ pagent talent wear. (NT) -- No name, 18:44:18 11/08/24 Fri (NoHost/209.121.189.10) Could you post them on here? I dont know how those sites normally work (NT) -- No name, 05:30:14 11/10/24 Sun (214-13-31-64.static.reverse.lstn.net/64.31.13.214) Queenly has gone out of business (NT) -- No name, 20:30:14 11/08/24 Fri (NoHost/47.217.175.32) Had no idea Queenly had gone out of business (NT) -- No name, 22:22:31 11/09/24 Sat (syn-068-117-196-203.res.spectrum.com/68.117.196.203)

Subject: So Miss Universe Panama got thrown out of the pageant for leaving her room without permission.....
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:29:13 11/03/24 Sun (syn-068-117-196-203.res.spectrum.com/68.117.196.203) That should tell you something right here about the intentions of this organization regarding it's titleholders and contestants. She was only leaving her room to put on some makeup and look for some items she left. I would think that is hardly enough reason to toss someone out. I don't think she signed an NDA because she gave an interview to a Spanish-language site that asked why she was tossed out of the pageant. She was getting ready to attend the Saturday night gala when she was informed she was no longer in the pageant. Comments anyone on this? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I read she left an activity without permission. (NT) -- Lee, 09:34:19 11/03/24 Sun (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) How many contestants and the rest have followed the rules? That just demonstrates that she doesn’t listen or follow the directives of the organization. If a person were interviewing for a job and they didn’t following the preliminary instructions of an interview, would they make it to the second round of interviews? (NT) -- I don’t know why it is difficult to follow the directions set for every other contestant., 10:49:29 11/03/24 Sun (NoHost/104.28.76.232) I read that she left due to an altercation with her roommate, Dominican Republic. (NT) -- No name, 11:21:00 11/03/24 Sun (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) Wow.....battle of the Amazonian Latinas. Hope they don't break a boob. (NT) -- No name, 13:23:24 11/03/24 Sun (230.sub-174-216-9.myvzw.com/174.216.9.230) I think you meant to say LatinO (NT) -- No name, 22:09:50 11/03/24 Sun (syn-068-117-196-203.res.spectrum.com/68.117.196.203) I know that it is a different organization but why does the Miss Pennsylvania organization allow bullying and MUO kicks someone out for learning her room without permission l (NT) -- No name, 11:57:11 11/03/24 Sun (74.sub-174-193-193.myvzw.com/174.193.193.74) Because miss Pennsylvania doesn’t actually care about bullying. Their board of directors are bullies themselves. (NT) -- No name, 13:12:01 11/09/24 Sat (172-234-129-104.ip.linodeusercontent.com/172.234.129.104) Personality differences with Dominican Republic is the real reason Panama was disqualified. It is an unfortunate and sad situation for Panama. Luckily, she will hold onto her title and finish her reign. It is also known that Dominican Republic can be difficult, as exhibited in her rude and overbearing behavior when she competed (and placed) at Miss International. DR could have also been disqualified, but I don’t think MUO wants to offend a sash factor country. (NT) -- It take two to tango, 15:31:56 11/03/24 Sun (NoHost/208.127.185.241) All of these comments are incorrect. All contestants were told they ABSOLUTELY were not to leave their rooms for fear of kidnapping and ransom demand from the cartels in Mexico. She left her room. They sent her home. It is a safety issue. Can you imagine if a contestant was abducted? (NT) -- No name, 22:13:41 11/03/24 Sun (h143.244.14.198.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/198.14.244.143) They really should not have the pageant in Mexico. The people are rude if Miss Mexico doesn’t place. Anyone who causes a disturbance should be thrown out (NT) -- No name, 10:59:55 11/04/24 Mon (147.sub-174-193-196.myvzw.com/174.193.196.147) Everyone knows about the kidnappings and killings in Mexico. What was she thinking????? What a blown opportunity..... (NT) -- No name, 15:08:40 11/04/24 Mon (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) If the conditions are thus dangerous, why on earth would you choose this country as a venue and bring in contestants from all over the world to further season the problems with political issues? (NT) -- No name, 09:32:38 11/05/24 Tue (syn-065-188-072-033.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.33) MUO has instituted an Oversight Committee so personal behavior off the stage will be just as important as their presentation on the stage. (NT) -- ureka smoke, 11:39:17 11/05/24 Tue (ip98-169-99-148.dc.dc.cox.net/98.169.99.148)

Subject: Miss USA 2025 state pageant dates
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:56:23 09/04/24 Wed (NoHost/180.190.229.177) The last Miss USA held under a month ago, Vanbros is the first pageant license to announce the 2025 dates: March 9: Oklahoma March 23: Kansas April 6: Nebraska April 13: Arkansas May 11: Missouri May 25: Illinois [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Two more states announce their 2025 dates: Delaware (March 30) and Texas (May 3, Miss & May 4, Teen) (NT) -- No name, 04:40:30 09/06/24 Fri (NoHost/180.190.63.82) More announcements: Connecticut (March 9) (NT) -- No name, 00:10:40 09/08/24 Sun (NoHost/180.190.30.183) Connecticut moved up its new date of January 26, 2025 -- No name, 06:15:45 10/13/24 Sun (NoHost/180.190.109.248) I would have thought Vanbros would have been outta there like RPM did -- No name, 02:50:41 09/08/24 Sun (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) Dude they make bank running those pageants. (NT) -- fd, 06:40:02 09/08/24 Sun (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) Virginia has announced its 2025 pageant date will be on February 16. (NT) -- No name, 20:01:12 09/25/24 Wed (NoHost/120.28.64.172) Clemente Organization has announced the state pageants for the 2025 season: Maine (May 11) and Massachusetts (June 15). (NT) -- No name, 11:55:57 10/08/24 Tue (NoHost/111.90.208.103) Any word on who is taking over for RPM? Will the four states stay together or splt? (NT) -- No name, 10:17:46 10/09/24 Wed (cust-136.179.28.226.switchnap.com/136.179.28.226) Since RPM is gone and no one else has taken over, who manages their current 8 title holders (Miss/Teen)? Are they making any appearances? (NT) -- No name, 10:49:53 10/09/24 Wed (syn-065-188-072-042.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.42) Do USA girls do appearances anyway? (NT) -- No name, 11:05:13 10/09/24 Wed (NoHost/172.58.0.253) Even Greenwood too. They haven't announced their 2025 dates in Georgia, Mississippi, and Tennessee. (NT) -- No name, 06:13:26 10/10/24 Thu (NoHost/180.190.212.56) And Proctor as well, they also haven't announced their dates yet. (NT) -- No name, 19:50:13 10/10/24 Thu (NoHost/180.190.212.56) The Alabama girls have done a few. Most recently small appearances at Auburn, so they may be managing their own. (NT) -- No name, 16:36:06 10/11/24 Fri (cust-136.179.28.226.switchnap.com/136.179.28.226) J Scott Reid has their 2025 dates in Indiana (April 5) and West Virginia (May 31). (NT) -- No name, 22:43:45 10/11/24 Fri (NoHost/180.190.63.172) Florida will have its 2025 pageant scheduled for the final competition on May 25, 2025. (NT) -- No name, 07:10:38 10/26/24 Sat (NoHost/120.28.64.69) Nevada announced its 2025 date will be on May 4 and will be earlier than the last three years (https://www.instagram.com/p/DB9j7EWSu2u/) (NT) -- No name, 09:35:01 11/05/24 Tue (NoHost/120.28.64.69)

Subject: Drama in the Miss Tennessee pageant!
Author: Janie and Joe Albright have been fired! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:28:40 11/01/24 Fri (mobile-166-199-227-055.mycingular.net/166.199.227.55) The word is the Albrights have been given walking papers and attempting to control the narrative by saying they are taking a leave of absence. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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What’s going on? Will this hamper the girl who is Miss Tennessee appearances, pageant prep, etc.? (NT) -- No name, 13:03:32 11/01/24 Fri (NoHost/146.75.236.0) Robin will remove many more till this is over. -- No name, 15:59:21 11/01/24 Fri (NoHost/172.56.33.227) As a former contestant from 1985, this makes me sad to see the drama that is happening in pageants. (NT) -- No name, 21:21:15 11/01/24 Fri (NoHost/72.252.159.60) Yes. They said they are taking a leave but they got the boot. -- No name, 08:46:22 11/02/24 Sat (NoHost/12.202.206.164) Why are they being given the boot? (NT) -- No name, 21:28:53 11/01/24 Fri (NoHost/38.172.112.247) Since they have taken over many in TN have wished for their removal..it’s long overdue after their constant toxic behavior… (NT) -- No name, 02:26:19 11/02/24 Sat (NoHost/172.56.65.35) This is SO sad and SO WRONG! What the hell? Two months before the national pageant. Once again this is just POOR leadership. (NT) -- No name, 09:37:53 11/02/24 Sat (136-32-197-127.googlefiber.net/136.32.197.127) It seems surprising that Robin, who seems to be captaining a sinking ship would be throwing her minions overboard. (NT) -- No name, 11:25:59 11/02/24 Sat (230.sub-174-216-9.myvzw.com/174.216.9.230) Weren't these the wonderful folk that were quite ready to step up to the plate and snatch control away from Allison? Oh well, what goes around, comes around. Even in the hills of Tennessee. Karma has GPS. (NT) -- No name, 11:38:39 11/02/24 Sat (230.sub-174-216-9.myvzw.com/174.216.9.230) No reason to be sad -- The albrights were so ICK, 10:00:24 11/03/24 Sun (mobile-166-198-248-016.mycingular.net/166.198.248.16) Believe me, they are not taking a leave. They were booted. (NT) -- No name, 12:40:00 11/02/24 Sat (136-32-197-127.googlefiber.net/136.32.197.127) Nothing will change if they are just taking a leave of absence. I’ll believe there has been change when a whole new board is in place. (NT) -- Skeptical, 15:03:45 11/02/24 Sat (c-68-53-149-130.hsd1.tn.comcast.net/68.53.149.130)

Subject: Are pageant programs given out to the participants
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:58:52 11/02/24 Sat (86.sub-174-193-194.myvzw.com/174.193.194.86) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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When I competed at Miss Texas in the 80s I was given one as a keepsake. (NT) -- No name, 21:22:08 11/02/24 Sat (NoHost/72.252.159.60) They should be. The contestants are paying to have them printed by soliciting ads. (NT) -- No name, 01:03:51 11/03/24 Sun (230.sub-174-216-9.myvzw.com/174.216.9.230)

Subject: Which venue do you think provided the best competition experience for the contestants?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:20:25 10/13/24 Sun (75.97.137.92.res-cmts.sewb.ptd.net/75.97.137.92) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Goardwalk Hall in Atlantic City. The majesty and history of that space cannot be beat. (NT) -- No name, 09:47:10 10/13/24 Sun (NoHost/146.70.198.120) Boardwalk Hall. Oops. (NT) -- No name, 09:51:08 10/13/24 Sun (NoHost/146.70.198.120) Do you think it can even go back to AC? Surely the city woud love the revenue and publicity after labor day, and may even get more comped hotels and meals, etc. I attended an event at the Sheraton last spring and loved seeing all the memorabilia. Such a waste to not have the tradition continue there. (NT) -- Lee, 11:05:52 10/15/24 Tue (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) I think Atlantic City looks at Miss America as an old love affair that is over. In the daylight you can name a dozen reasons why they shouldn't get back together. However, just don't let them share a bottle of wine in front of a warm fire in the fireplace....soft music...etc. Sorry, I guess I'm romanticizing. (NT) -- No name, 11:18:25 10/15/24 Tue (syn-065-188-072-109.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.109) Have you been to AC recently? It's a cesspool. Unsafe. There's no nostalgia there anymore. (NT) -- No name, 22:44:04 10/23/24 Wed (mobile-166-205-101-060.mycingular.net/166.205.101.60) MA has changed, AC has changed, not sure if we can go home again . (NT) -- No name, 12:16:56 10/21/24 Mon (mobile-166-205-190-027.mycingular.net/166.205.190.27) While the history of Miss America is deeply embedded within Atlantic City, the nostalgia of Miss America in Atlantic City is but a memory. Even when they moved the pageant back to Atlantic City in 2013 it did not have the same nostalgia or atmosphere as it did in the past. I was recently in Atlantic City, and felt like it should bulldozed and start over again. The place is a dump and gets worse every time I go back. There is no reason to ever take the pageant back to Atlantic City. (NT) -- No name, 17:18:19 10/21/24 Mon (NoHost/148.59.75.52) I disagree. There is still the boardwalk and the show us your shoes parade will never be as much fun as it was in Atlantic City. 100,000 people came out for that event. They sold hundreds of program books, every hotel was sold out. Boardwalk hall offered a television ready venue and a magnificent runway (NT) -- Hotels put the girls and the chaperones up and fed them. Great hospitality and media coverage., 19:32:38 10/21/24 Mon (ec2-18-206-90-37.compute-1.amazonaws.com/18.206.90.37) I thought that was one of the main reasons they moved was because Boardwalk Hall was not equipped to deal with television production. (NT) -- No name, 10:53:29 10/22/24 Tue (syn-065-188-072-036.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.36) It might have been the expense of getting the hall ready .the cost of the tickets to do so maybe with no financial help from AC The last year it was there it was not nearly as full as it used to be. The Prelim nights were really down in attendance. I also think MAO was charging lot for season tickets packages (NT) -- But I still miss walking into that huge arena for a few hours enjoying pageant fun., 11:26:24 10/22/24 Tue (ec2-3-236-188-186.compute-1.amazonaws.com/3.236.188.186) It has always been my understanding that Boardwalk Hall had to be equipped each year for TV...that it was not "TV Ready." However, they televise basketball tournaments in there sometimes and I would think that would have to be more difficult than a pageant. As for the attendance at Miss America, it DEFINITELY went down those last few years. (NT) -- No name, 09:56:54 10/23/24 Wed (216-98-91-178.access.naxs.com/216.98.91.178) There was nothing wrong with AC. It was economically better. Hoping it goes back home soon. (NT) -- No name, 10:21:44 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/50.238.202.90) Many cities are "dumps" a couple of streets off the main attractions. I would think the city offcials would welcome it back again. It doesn't need to be as grand as in the past, but surely it can improve. (NT) -- Lee, 11:13:12 10/23/24 Wed (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) Boardwalk Hall was NOT TV ready. They even had to bring in their own extension cords, and it always had high production costs, even back in the heyday of Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 22:40:49 10/23/24 Wed (c-98-220-13-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net/98.220.13.180) While AC is what feels most like home, I’m not sure that Boardwalk Hall (even though it literally pains me to say it) is the venue best fit any longer. I would love to see MA held in the theatre at Ocean Casino Resort may be. That would allow the parade to reemerge and bring back some of the history while staging the competition in a beautiful and modern venue. (NT) -- No name, 17:16:52 10/23/24 Wed (103.sub-174-219-5.myvzw.com/174.219.5.103) Great idea!! That would e the perfect size and location and its new and modern. (NT) -- couple of casinos have nice venues., 10:59:14 10/28/24 Mon (pool-70-22-2-52.balt.east.verizon.net/70.22.2.52) Ocean Casino is perfect! (NT) -- Lee, 13:17:36 10/28/24 Mon (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) I was in AC this past weekend for a funeral and spoke to a local owner of a boating tourism company and he went into details about how the pageant didn't deliver the revenues promised by the MAO and the organization didn't want to pony up ANYTHING for security services and everything else it takes to house contestants, judges, staff., etc. in several different hotels, transport them, etc. The city was losing money on the deal, so it no longer served them to host. (NT) -- No name, 14:45:03 10/29/24 Tue (NoHost/199.67.131.148) It doesn't have to be a two week affair. 6 days is plenty (NT) -- Lee, 13:55:09 10/31/24 Thu (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) I competed at Miss America in the 90s and Boardwalk hall was such a surreal experience. That is where Miss A's history is and that's where it should stay. My best friends cousin's gf competed in Connecticut and she didn't enjoy the experience. (NT) -- No name, 21:32:59 11/01/24 Fri (NoHost/72.252.159.60)

Subject: Dear Ryan
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:53:57 10/23/24 Wed (mobile-166-198-198-100.mycingular.net/166.198.198.100) Please do not say that Robin won the temporary injunction. That is categorically false. You are deliberately misleading the state EDs with that comment. While the judge didn’t go all the way in declaring that Robin be removed immediately, he did everything else. To downplay the results of the legal trial that is only happening because Robin partnered with Glenn is absurd. The pageant community has been following this with great interest. The judge absolutely stated he believes Glenn to be the rightful owner of Miss America. She will have to continue with the lawsuit to try and remain in control, but this judge has basically said she will lose that case. It’s in black and white for the whole world to read. The judge said that Glenn has the appropriate ownership documents, that Robin didn’t cover any debts herself, and that she didn’t sign her name as the owner on the agreement she signed with MAO to purchase it. She doesn’t have one bit of evidence in her favor for actual ownership. I personally think it’s time for Glenn’s team to start taking over the reins. Sure Robin can stay in place too however she wants until the final lawsuit in a year or so, but its time for Glenn’s group to start communicating with the EDs and to start getting to know them and how the pageant operates. The judges decision was very clear about the future of Miss America. Glenn is in charge. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The court order also quotes some of the testimony provided, including that Robin has testified she has used some of the scholarship monies to pay her attorneys to defend this case. (NT) -- We need an accounting of the scholarship funds., 14:01:33 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/165.225.62.172) Op here. I’m all for being fair in this situation. This detail actually doesn’t hold any weight against Robin. The Scholarship Fund is not for profit. All non profits are able to use money to pay salaries, pay administrative costs, and legal fees that come about. Whatever is left over is what goes to your mission (ie Scholarships). The MAF ran things the same way. A lot of their money also went to salaries and legal costs. (NT) -- No name, 14:19:56 10/23/24 Wed (mobile-166-198-198-100.mycingular.net/166.198.198.100) Whoever keeps replying to comments justifying the scholarship funds being used to pay lawyer fees please stop. Obviously it’s about the principle of the situation as we know there are women out there who haven’t been paid scholarships they have won. No matter if it’s “legal” for Robin to do this or not it’s still very greedy and tacky of her to use those funds because she doesn’t have the money for this case. That money is for young women who earn it through competing. Nothing you say will justify those funds being used to do anything other than pay scholarships. (NT) -- No name, 15:59:45 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/172.56.65.35) It is also the young women that raised the money Robin is spending. Her sponsorships are BS. just more requirements for girls to purchase things she gets a kick back on (NT) -- No name, 18:04:41 10/23/24 Wed (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) I am not the one replying to scholarship comments but having read this I am replying now. Under the prior MAO, each contestant signed a contract whereby they acknowledge that any scholarships that were announced do not have to be paid if MAO did not have the money. AFter checking with a state director this is TRUE and the director also told me that MAF also signed that document. So any contestant who competed under those rules and won funds under the prior MAO has no claim to scholarships earned that way from Robin nor from the prior MAO. MAF cannot force Robin to pay them anything. If you competed under Robin and proved eligibility for a schlarship they have been paid. Sorry naysayers but those are the confirmed facts. as yes, a corporation can use funds raised for legal expenses. Funds don't become scholarship funds until they are declared to be as such and segregated. (NT) -- No name, 12:37:40 10/24/24 Thu (NoHost/103.108.229.76) I've looked at the scholarship contracts with Emma's and Grace's classes and neither of those are signed by an MAF representative. Shantel signed them as CEO of the Miss America Org during Emma and Grace's years. So, I don't understand why the women don't have the ability to claim scholarships that were promised to them by Shantel because the whomever bought the IP bought MAO's debts along with the IP. Not that they have paid those debts, except of course to Shantel! Additionally, Shantel started the 501c3 that is now being used as Robin's scholarship fund, so wouldn't that scholarship fund be responsible for paying out those funds to the women, as Shantel signed the agreements and Shantel started the fund and clearly signed it over to Robin? (NT) -- No name, 13:48:02 10/27/24 Sun (pool-71-178-204-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net/71.178.204.105) let's see a pie chart of her spending. most non profits will tell you the % of each category (NT) -- No name, 10:05:49 10/24/24 Thu (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) You can feel however you want but if Glenn takes over. I know several of us long time locals are closing shop. Robin isn't perfect but he has a very sketchy past with women and I will not subject any titleholder to that. (NT) -- No name, 14:06:15 10/23/24 Wed (mobile-166-196-082-134.mycingular.net/166.196.82.134) I'm beginning to believe that local pageants are obsolete. The same young women are competing all over their states until they find that local that gives them a crown. Often these young women have no connection to the city/area they represent and the community doesn't know who is representing them. What's the difference between the fee to enter a state pageant directly and the money spent on travel and accommodations to all of the places they compete? The last local I went to had no local sponsors, no program booklet, and no promotion of the local in the community. That was the backbone of our organization, the local support that enhanced the local competitions, which could have 15-30 contestants competing in them each year. The locals made a lot of monry to support the scholarships they offered. That's not happening now. (NT) -- No name, 16:52:44 10/23/24 Wed (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) That may be the case for your state. It is not the case in mine. Our local just had 30+ contestants (NT) -- No name, 18:11:23 10/23/24 Wed (mobile-166-196-082-134.mycingular.net/166.196.82.134) Your local did not just have 30 girls. Please. (NT) -- No name, 21:24:33 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/38.172.112.247) IF your local had 30, it's because you are including the teens. How many contestants competed in Miss? (NT) -- No name, 10:27:18 10/24/24 Thu (NoHost/148.59.75.52) Or because they're giving away 5 Miss titles. (NT) -- No name, 16:46:35 10/24/24 Thu (NoHost/172.56.200.118) I agree. The last local I attended had 3 contestants, a page that you scanned in your phone served as the program book, and a 25.00 ticket price to watch 3 girls compete. The rest of the evening was nothing but kid production numbers (if I wanted to see that, I could get my own kid to put on a show in the living room.) In addition to the paltry shows, locals do not serve a purpose anymore. Every local in my state is open to at least 25 counties, even if it is "closed." Plus, contestants are released right after State, so there is no community involvement in a town they are not from anyway. (NT) -- No name, 09:53:12 10/24/24 Thu (syn-065-188-072-069.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.69) Robin & Ryan are continuing their cover-up. Shame on Ryan. He claims to love this organization. The EDs MUST PUSH BACK ! An accountant is being hired by court decree to come in and look at every penny since Robin came on board. You know that is not going to go well for her. (NT) -- No name, 14:50:00 10/23/24 Wed (pool-98-113-202-63.nycmny.fios.verizon.net/98.113.202.63) Agreed! What if he decides not to bring in a monitor? I am confused on all of this. (NT) -- No name, 15:16:55 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/38.22.17.160) While Robin cannot be fired ultimately at the moment, I’m sure there can be restrictions placed on her and Ryan from directly speaking to the states especially in this tone. It creates further confusion and causes disruption which seems to be a violation of what the judge put in place. Anyone with legal experience that can weigh in on this? (NT) -- No name, 17:54:53 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/172.56.65.35) WRONG Robin DID win because Straub asked for her to be removed the whole point was he wanted her removed. You people are nuts. This will go to a jury trial and Robin will win, just my prediction as there is no way Glenn Straub survives a jury trail. (NT) -- No name, 18:14:26 10/23/24 Wed (mail82.anonymouse.org/193.200.150.82) You clearly don't understand what you are reading (NT) -- No name, 18:49:27 10/23/24 Wed (ip68-110-80-48.ph.ph.cox.net/68.110.80.48) The only person who still think this are Robin and Ryan -- Na, 18:50:56 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/172.56.33.227) Wow. YOu guys really read alot into the order. LOL. maybe none of you actuall run a business or none of you are lawyers or both? Glenn did not ask to be declared the owner. His suit was not for that. He sort of jumped over that horse and brought this suit in the name of the corporations who claimed to be harmed after an extensive audit found Robin to be misappropriating funds. Since the Court left Robin in charge and found no harm done by her the main basis for the lawsuit went against him. this TRO was to preserve the status quo which Robin won on and Glenn did not despite his attempts to claim that 1000s of calls proved his engagement. Straub tried to prove harm which judge said there was none. (NT) -- No name, 11:59:41 10/24/24 Thu (unn-185-24-11-152.datapacket.com/185.24.11.152) Okay, sorry, but this poster has no idea what they are talking about. Sorry, but this is about as delusional of a comment as there is. Totally inaccurate and misinformation. (NT) -- No name, 14:14:22 10/24/24 Thu (mobile-166-198-198-100.mycingular.net/166.198.198.100) So if Robin is such a “winner” then why is Glenn allowed to be involved and why is there a moderator needed. If Robin won then Glenn would be out and he’s not. Stop being delusional (NT) -- No name, 14:39:43 10/24/24 Thu (c-98-62-246-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net/98.62.246.186) Hmm. Interesting question but only if you have no idea how any of this works. The underlying lawsuit brought by the corporate entities is based on a claim that an extensive audit was conducted that revealed Robin stole or misappropriated money belonging to the corps and she did irreperable harm and must immediately be removed. Simply to show that he could bring the lawsuit he showed minimal evidence to suggest he as an individual can bring the action. That question ie whether Straub owns anything is not at issue in the case he brought and NOT decided by the TRO. What you should be focusing on to learn who the Court thinks will win the underlying suit is the fact that the court found no harm by Robin and she was not removed. Court does not believe the so called audit nor the alleged theft or she would be gone stat. Get it now??? (NT) -- No name, 16:22:53 10/24/24 Thu (NoHost/185.195.232.168) It is called status quo. He is the banker and as such should be entitled to documents and information that protects his line of credit which Robin has almost paid off. The event itself is the source of the revenue Robin needed to put on the show. She testified to that if I recall. So that is why Straub got limited relief (NT) -- No name, 17:37:27 10/24/24 Thu (unn-149-88-22-139.datapacket.com/149.88.22.139) You do realize that the judge had to make a determination of ownership and stated that Glenn is the likely owner and will likely prevail in court when that trial happens next. Did you miss that little part? (NT) -- No name, 18:26:13 10/24/24 Thu (mobile-166-198-198-100.mycingular.net/166.198.198.100) He actually did not determine ownership. Said only that if the facts presented by Straub are true then when the underlying case is tried to a jury a jury may believe his evidence and find that he owns the pageant. That's it. standard boilerplate language in any tro.. And if leaned into that ownership info to find that Straub had standing to bring a suit in the name of the corporations. All he needed was to state a likelihood if true. Same language used in every tro case. (NT) -- No name, 18:34:41 10/24/24 Thu (unn-149-88-22-139.datapacket.com/149.88.22.139) Dude, this is not a TRO. This is a Temporary Injunction. In order to grant a Temporary Injuncrion, the judge has to establish a likelihood of prevailing in the actual ownership case. Judge did that and thinks Glenn will win. This is not a jury case. Therefore a judge will decide who the owner is. The jury trial is a whole other case that Robin filed. That is NOT this case. (NT) -- No name, 18:54:44 10/24/24 Thu (mobile-166-198-198-100.mycingular.net/166.198.198.100) LOLOLOL. I TRO stands for temporary restraining order, commonly referred to as an injunction. Same thing moron. The underlying lawsuit will be tried in front of a jury. This is a motion that is argued to the Judge. There is no actual ownership case before this judge since Straub did not ask to be declared the owner in his pleading. REferences to his alleged ownership were necessary to establish the ability to act on behalf of the corporations. It is call standing. establish yourself as able to sue in the name of the corporations. The classic language is "Likelihood of sucess" in order for the court to enter any type of relief. So to keep the status quo and avoid more Zoom fiascoes by Straub and his little band of Petco execs, the judge used that classic language. If the allegations Straub presented ARE TRU there is alikelihood a jury would believe them when the underlying lawsuit is tried to a jury. That is it. Court did not declare Straub is the owner. (NT) -- No name, 09:53:01 10/25/24 Fri (unn-149-22-81-204.datapacket.com/149.22.81.204) Is anyone going to admit the reality here? A person took it over MAO and obtained money for a “for woman organization “ provided by her chauvinistic millionaire boyfriend with publicly documented shady past with women and out our training Miss America up in his condo! With way we are being run by underhanded unethical and emotionally damaged people! My God! (NT) -- No name, 11:24:30 10/25/24 Fri (NoHost/108.145.161.60) No, because Robin loves to come on these boards and pretend to be other people defending herself. (NT) -- No name, 19:19:46 10/26/24 Sat (syn-024-163-059-002.res.spectrum.com/24.163.59.2) She spends more time doing that than providing information to the young women competing. (NT) -- No name, 19:14:45 11/01/24 Fri (c-73-14-141-197.hsd1.co.comcast.net/73.14.141.197)

Subject: When do the contestants leave for Miss America??
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:41:53 10/29/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.65.171) It seems like nothing is being said about the upcoming pageant. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Around a week before Christmas. (NT) -- No name, 04:56:37 10/30/24 Wed (NoHost/120.28.64.69) Oof I doubt it. -- Curly, 07:24:28 10/30/24 Wed (99-35-99-167.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/99.35.99.167) one of the state titleholders at a local said that her and her teen are departing the day after Christmas. they also have an itinerary ready with all the events ready (NT) -- No name, 10:04:29 10/30/24 Wed (NoHost/132.177.197.117) Thank you! (NT) -- No name, 11:51:23 10/30/24 Wed (NoHost/104.236.28.3) Contestants have to be in Orlando by 12/28 for their competition week orientation and fittings (NT) -- No name, 20:02:47 10/30/24 Wed (NoHost/146.75.253.145) Will interviews all be before stage, or mixed in like last year? (NT) -- No name, 20:12:33 10/30/24 Wed (NoHost/104.28.116.107) Interviews were all before stage competition last year, and they will be again this year. It's the same schedule, IIRC. Interviews are Sunday & Monday. (NT) -- No name, 21:17:22 10/30/24 Wed (c-71-224-85-159.hsd1.pa.comcast.net/71.224.85.159)

Subject: JUST IN: Judge Rules in Favor of Glenn but Doesn’t Fully Remove Robin
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:46:35 10/22/24 Tue (mobile-166-198-198-100.mycingular.net/166.198.198.100) As far as the temporary injunction goes, the Judge ruled today. He has sided with Glenn and believes there is reasonable evidence that Glenn is the rightful owner and will prevail in the long run on this case as being the rightful owner. Judge doesn’t remove Robin at the moment but gives Glenn access to all the financial books including Quickbooks and access to the IP info. Judge orders that Robin cannot switch anything like the SUNBIZ or anything else related to Miss America. Robin gets to run this Miss America pageant to keep the continuity If Glenn wants, judge will appoint a neutral third party “corporate Monitor” to also have access to all the books and to make sure that Robin complies with everything in the order. In short, Glenn wins and will likely prevail in the “real” trial of who owns Miss America. At that point, when he wins the future second trial, he will be able to fire Robin completely at that point. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Could you possibly provide a link to this ruling? (NT) -- No name, 14:55:55 10/22/24 Tue (c-73-124-247-43.hsd1.fl.comcast.net/73.124.247.43) As far as someone monitoring PBC Clerk of Courts office filing that was just posted publicly and posting the judge’s orders, as much as we love this posters promptness, we are still reading it ourselves. Straub’s Palm Beach Polo Club “Minions”, as we have been called, did not nor did we advise to post this. As always, we will be transparent and eventually provide you further details. We have been emailing the ED’s directly most of the time and not on this board but with this ruling, we will happily provide updates to all of you on this forum when time allows. You have our commitment that the Plaintiff’s team will stay in touch. Thank you for all you do for this iconic brand. (NT) -- No name, 15:20:58 10/22/24 Tue (91-74-220-67.clients.gthost.com/67.220.74.91) I don't know how to post links here so here's how to find it. Go to www.mypalmbeachclerk.com, click "search records", then click Court Records, Click Guests (Pink box), do the reCaptcha, Put in case #502024CA003851XXXAMB, click on the blue case link, dockets and documents, this latest ruling is at the end. (NT) -- No name, 16:37:07 10/22/24 Tue (NoHost/74.118.138.198) I hope the first thing he does is drop the $3000 requirement for AHA. That is too much! (NT) -- I think this is good news., 16:37:47 10/22/24 Tue (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) Many girls have already raised the $3K I don't see him dropping it this year (NT) -- No name, 08:21:51 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/128.163.239.189) You should see the ticket prices for this year, she is running it like she wanted to bank some big bucks, guess its for Glenn now (NT) -- No name, 16:43:16 10/22/24 Tue (108-239-242-250.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net/108.239.242.250) how much are the tickets? I had hoped to go this year but have heard nothing on availability or price (NT) -- No name, 16:44:49 10/22/24 Tue (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) MA Ticket Pricing -- No name, 11:01:43 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/172.59.83.170) Girl, she wants to pay her lawyers with that money so she can stop paying them with scholarship funds! The IRS can’t be pleased with her that she admitted that on the record. (NT) -- No name, 17:12:02 10/22/24 Tue (a172-225-30-52.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com/172.225.30.52) Please inform us what is considered scholarship funds vs administrative funds? Is there a difference? Do you even know? (NT) -- No name, 08:37:42 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/128.163.239.189) I predict this will not go to trial and Robin will forfeit because now that she can’t hijack the accounts and funds she will not be able to afford to continue to fight this in trial. Also I don’t think she will want to stay on and work with Glenn because of her ego. Why would anyone stay involved in her position? She may as well bow out gracefully after this upcoming pageant. Been a great ride Robin but the jig is up. (NT) -- No name, 18:20:19 10/22/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.65.35) Thank you. (NT) -- No name, 19:34:27 10/22/24 Tue (NoHost/165.227.184.43) I predict Robin will never step down even after rulings made against her. It is time for the EDs to step up and start ignoring her and Ryan (NT) -- No name, 10:21:39 10/23/24 Wed (pool-98-113-202-63.nycmny.fios.verizon.net/98.113.202.63) Click-in to read message from Ryan Brown in response to judges decision - -- No name, 11:24:42 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/172.59.83.234) She also sent a similiar text message and made direct calls to ED's saying this order had to be done, disregard it because it was protocol. I read the judges order and they are delusional. That order is crystal clear. Glenn has the option to elect a monitor not her lol. She is really feeding Ryan and he is falling for it. I had way more respect for him than that and shocked he is being her puppet. His email and her message are an insult to our intelligence. (NT) -- No name, 14:13:39 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/82.102.30.179) So are you just bad a reading comprehension or is English not your first language. You have read a whole lot into an order that says very little. Straub got nothing that he wanted except for access to some records, basically a continuation of the interim order the judge entered when he declared Robin to be status quo. (NT) -- No name, 12:30:49 10/24/24 Thu (NoHost/103.108.229.76) Y’ALL best go read page 11 section 21. of the court ruling. It is clear as day what the judge is saying. (NT) -- No name, 16:39:10 10/24/24 Thu (syn-024-231-184-073.res.spectrum.com/24.231.184.73) I read it. Just a recitation of Galle's testimony. Same guy who claimed his laptop was stolen while on vacation which is hilarious. Conveniently loses his "only" laptop with his entire practice on it in the jungle and therefore cannot produce the meta data that would show when the so called ownership proof offered by Straub was created. So do you think this guy is honest? And isn't that EIN the same EIN that the comptroller testified was fraudulently obtained and the same guy whited out Straub's name on the doc before it was given to Robin to hide the fact this false document was filed? (NT) -- No name, 17:22:32 10/24/24 Thu (static-198-54-132-120.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.132.120) If he is the actual owner and there was no funny business about that EIN filing then why white out his name on the document? Just hand it over as is. Makes you have to actually think about things right? LOL. I for one am buying some wine cuz this trial is going to be very entertaining. I assume, but have not yet read, that Robin's team filed some defenses claiming she owns it. Put the issue squarely before the court. Don't you wonder why Glenn did not want ownership decided on the merits? That he used this tactic to hoodwink the court? Did he think Robin would just fold? LOL (NT) -- No name, 17:24:42 10/24/24 Thu (static-198-54-132-120.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.132.120) This so cocky. Honestly narcissistic. (NT) -- No name, 15:03:09 10/23/24 Wed (syn-024-163-059-002.res.spectrum.com/24.163.59.2) All the things Straub wanted that would support him taking control were denied. The court also found no harm by Robin and found she is the status quo. The court specifically did not rule that HE is the owner. It held that IF the allegations he claims are TRUE re: ownership then there is a likelihood that the jury could believe them and find that he owns the pageant. That likelihood finding is necessary for the ct to issue even a limited ruling granting relief. He won nothing. Status quo remains. Big blow to his claim that Robin stole money. If that had been proven the court would have removed her immediately. BIG LOSS FOR GLENN AND THE ONLY INDICATION OF HOW THIS JUDGE SEES THE FACTS. HE IS NOT GUESSING! HIS RULING DEMONSTRATES HE THINKS THAT CLAIM IS FALSE. UNLIKE THE STANDING ISSUE WHERE HE PLACED THE CAVEAT "IF TRUE". THE COURT FLAT OUT DENIED HIS DEMAND TO REMOVE ROBIN AND SHE WAS CAUSING HARM. COURT TIPPED ITS HAND ON WHO IT THINKS WILL WIN ON THE FACTS.. (NT) -- No name, 16:38:57 10/24/24 Thu (NoHost/185.195.232.168) Finally someone actually understands this and knows how to read the ruling. Wow. So many emotion and ignorant people on this board or is it the same few? (NT) -- No name, 16:42:05 10/24/24 Thu (static-198-54-132-120.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.132.120) This is quite a spin (NT) -- No name, 19:13:00 10/24/24 Thu (ip68-110-80-48.ph.ph.cox.net/68.110.80.48) Absolutely delusional. Not grounded in fact whatsoever. (NT) -- No name, 20:04:03 10/24/24 Thu (mobile-166-198-198-100.mycingular.net/166.198.198.100) Stop shouting in all caps (NT) -- No name, 22:02:03 10/24/24 Thu (c-98-39-54-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/98.39.54.124) Wow! This has to be Ryan who continues to spread his version of what's happening. I choose to read the truth. (NT) -- No name, 17:39:36 10/30/24 Wed (c-73-14-141-197.hsd1.co.comcast.net/73.14.141.197)

Subject: happy news Last years Miss Ohio is engaged
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:48:42 10/27/24 Sun (syn-076-089-226-223.res.spectrum.com/76.89.226.223) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Best Wishes! (NT) -- No name, 21:11:16 10/27/24 Sun (NoHost/134.209.170.21) She is a amazing young lady and should have placed (NT) -- No name, 22:27:51 10/29/24 Tue (6.sub-174-193-131.myvzw.com/174.193.131.6)

Subject: Interesting interviews with major pageant director
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:19:58 10/26/24 Sat (h107.240.22.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.22.240.107) Not verbatim, but Director was asked about how the semi/finalists and winner were chosen. The answer was probably too honest. The pageant is my bread and butter - how I make my living. I am not going to trust my brand to just anyone. From the minute the contestants arrive, they are being scored. We have them for a month before the actual pageant. The executive committee meets nightly to discuss selections. This is a business. We first look at the body. If the body isn’t perfect, they don’t advance, regardless of other factors. They must be able to wear wardrobe sponsored gowns. Next is facial beauty. And have our own cosmetics line, so this is also important. Most contestants at this level have both of these. Third is brains. We run them through a series of interactions. We look at how they perform in social situations, at press conferences, on stage. This narrows the field. Finally, this is a business. We look at where she is from and consider if this is a market we want to expand to. We look at the strength and support of the national organization. We look at social media and the number of followers. We look for the best person to be the face of the organization. We run a highly impressive pageant event that is high energy and fun for the audience with many sponsors, but this is all to find our spokesmodel for our products. The winner and court travel for a year marketing our products. It is our business model.. we do use celebrity judges and give special awards based upon these and also may consider for lower rankings, but the executive committee determines top 10 and all rankings. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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what state? Do they do this every year for returning contestants? Do they eliminate any ladies who are bullies (NT) -- No name, 00:48:08 10/27/24 Sun (syn-076-089-226-223.res.spectrum.com/76.89.226.223) The contestants arrive a MONTH before the pageant? What is this? (NT) -- No name, 01:39:04 10/27/24 Sun (c-67-176-201-27.hsd1.il.comcast.net/67.176.201.27) Maybe this is Galaxy International (?) -- No name, 07:32:17 10/27/24 Sun (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) Sounds a lot like Miss World (NT) -- No name, 16:18:03 10/27/24 Sun (NoHost/104.28.116.106) It was Grand International director (NT) -- ., 21:38:33 10/27/24 Sun (NoHost/172.59.113.122) Definitely Miss Grand Internatonal. I do understand this. It is your livelihood, you cant risk the wrong winner being selected. (NT) -- It is the Best International Pageants with an incredible Production and prize package., 17:26:20 10/28/24 Mon (ec2-34-201-20-172.compute-1.amazonaws.com/34.201.20.172) This sounds like a STATE pageant when they said they look at the national organization -- No name, 14:16:13 10/28/24 Mon (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) Or on the flip is the a international organization judging the national programs (NT) -- No name, 16:10:25 10/29/24 Tue (96-83-118-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net/96.83.118.198) OMG, no, lol. MAO State is NO ONES bread and butter. That’s laughable, to start. (NT) -- No name, 16:50:51 10/29/24 Tue (NoHost/74.122.140.14)

Subject: SAD NEWS: Ron Ely, who hosted the Miss America pageant, has died.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:22:43 10/25/24 Fri (172-13-130-188.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/172.13.130.188) Ron Ely hosted the Miss America pageant in 1980 and 1981, stepping in for longtime emcee Bert Parks. He was the first actor to play Tarzan on tv in 1966. Ron Ely passed away on September 29, 2024, at the age of 86. His daughter Kirsten announced his death on Wednesday, October 23, 2024. 1.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-363bonzPl8 2. https://people.com/ron-ely-dead-tarzan-tv-series-star-was-86-8733260 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I read that online. Deepest condolences (NT) -- No name, 23:15:40 10/25/24 Fri (165-13-31-64.static.reverse.lstn.net/64.31.13.165) When did Ron die at age 86? By the way, Ron did not just step-in to take over from Bert Parks as if Mr. Parks was out ill----Ron replaced Bert Parks. -- Ron Ely was fine as host but liked that they had Gary Collins for nine years., 23:22:29 10/26/24 Sat (syn-035-148-122-044.res.spectrum.com/35.148.122.44) Yes, Ron replaced Bert Parks as the host of the Miss America pageant. Thank you for the information. (NT) -- No name, 18:30:18 10/27/24 Sun (172-13-130-188.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/172.13.130.188) In case anyone missed it earlier this Sunday morning----CBS Sunday Morning had their usual weekly "In Memoriam" and at least they honored and recognized Ron Ely among the six others who died this past week---only Ron's death was nearly a month ago and inexplicably just announced earlier this week. They showed a clip -- of a near-naked Ron yelling the Tarzan roar and a tv promo head-shot picture. Nice tribute., 14:45:29 10/27/24 Sun (syn-137-027-094-098.biz.spectrum.com/137.27.94.98) The family has a right to grieve on its own time. There was a reason why they held back the announcement of his death. It is not for our comsumption they make this information known. Respect their decision and quit assuming they were unexplicitly late. (NT) -- No name, 19:59:21 10/27/24 Sun (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) I saw it and was surprised that the CBS Sunday morning news show producers included Ron Ely in the weekly "In Memoriam" because the family announced his death nearly a month after his death in California. I thought they would only show those who died within a week or maybe ten days. Knowing that, I think I will email the show next time if there is someone else who died to be included that is not exactly within a week span of time. But they did a nice tribute for Ron although I had hoped they would have shown the Tarzan yell and a clip from the 1981 Miss America pageant (the year Grace Elizabeth Ward of Arkansas won). -- Ron was a reasonably good singer on the pageant broadcast., 22:58:45 10/27/24 Sun (syn-035-148-093-143.res.spectrum.com/35.148.93.143) Remembering Ron Eley, one he was so handsome and two, the way he handled the thunderous ovation for Paige Phillips, Miss Alabama and first runner-up to Susan Powell. For me, only one other moment rivaled that in comparison and that was the applause for Heather Whitestone and Regis just let it go on. There are other moments I'm sure but those two are favorites of mine. (NT) -- No name, 09:46:25 10/28/24 Mon (107-129-113-26.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net/107.129.113.26) Ely (NT) -- No name, 10:02:56 10/28/24 Mon* (107-129-113-26.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net/107.129.113.26)

Subject: Do you think this means Miss America will merge with Miss Volunteer?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:55:01 10/23/24 Wed (75-104-94-104.mobility.exede.net/75.104.94.104) Hope we get back to the original platform of the pageant. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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As mad as MAO people might be with Volunteer, I think this would be a great solution for all the women involved in the long run (NT) -- No name, 16:27:50 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/172.56.201.86) Who wants Miss America turn into the now three-year Miss Volunteer America pageant and lose 103 years of MAO history and have the -- national pageant move to Jackson, Tennesse and held in May each year?, 17:42:05 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/128.104.145.214) maybe they will drop the Volunteer and be MA again.. (NT) -- No name, 18:07:43 10/23/24 Wed (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) Did people forget how to compromise? Host in Tennessee during the normal Miss America time (August? September? Now December?). Or host in Orlando but in June when Volunteer has their nationals. I understand where people are coming from with the history, but I think a lot of the history/tradition was already lost when MAO removed swimsuit and moved out of Atlantic City. (NT) -- No name, 21:44:53 10/23/24 Wed (syn-098-146-192-217.res.spectrum.com/98.146.192.217) The latter would cause disruption of the summertime state MAO pageants. If it had to be---Miss America in Jackson, Tennessee in September or October. -- For tradition sake to say nothing of uprooting traditional plans---keep states in the summer., 20:08:31 10/24/24 Thu (syn-047-225-246-099.biz.spectrum.com/47.225.246.99) Umm no lol (NT) -- No name, 16:40:12 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/172.56.65.35) No way -- faN, 21:45:10 10/23/24 Wed (106.newark-11rh16rt.nj.dial-access.att.net/12.75.211.106) Honestly I think it would cheapen the Volunteer brand. Miss America has a LOT of baggage, and Volunteer does not. Better to let the drama with MAO go down with its own ship. (NT) -- No name, 23:03:02 10/23/24 Wed (syn-024-163-059-002.res.spectrum.com/24.163.59.2) You can't get much cheaper than Volunteer currently, with the gaudy crowns and terrible production numbers. Just NO (NT) -- No name, 08:09:39 10/24/24 Thu (NoHost/128.163.239.155)

Subject: Actual Text From Judge’s Decision
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:15:38 10/23/24 Wed (mobile-166-198-198-100.mycingular.net/166.198.198.100) LIKELY OWNERSHIP- GLENN WINS While Defendant (Fleming) presented her own testimony to rebut Plaintiff’s (Straub) ownership claims, the Court concludes that there is a substantial likelihood that Plaintiffs will prevail on the ownership interest claims at trial. Plaintiffs offered evidence that: (1) Mr. Straub is Plaintiffs’ sole member and owner; (2) Mr. Straub’s ownership and rights as sole “member” are governed by the LLC Operating Agreements and other documents related to Plaintiffs formation; (3) Defendant Fleming has never been a “member” of Plaintiffs; she was a manager and officer, which does not invest her as a “member,” and, (4) Defendant Fleming was terminated on April 15, 2024, and has no authority to act on behalf of Plaintiffs. IRREPARABLE HARM- GLENN WINS The Court agrees that Plaintiffs have shown that the possibility of irreparable harm exists unless Plaintiffs have: (a) access to Defendant’s financial records, bank accounts, QuickBooks accounts and intellectual property (“IP”); (b) relief preventing detriment to the names and marks previously acquired; (c) relief preventing altering Plaintiffs’ business records, including SUNBIZ filings; and (d) relief requiring the safeguarding of any assets improperly converted, improperly taken, and improperly dissipated by Defendant Fleming, including the names, IP and physical property of Plaintiffs. The Court agrees Plaintiffs have met their burden to show that interim injunctive relief is appropriate to preserve the status quo and to prevent harm for which there is no adequate remedy. IMMEDIATE REMOVAL OF ROBIN- ROBIN WINS The defense argues that removing Fleming from her role would cause unnecessary disruption to the parties’ interests and the Miss America organization, which has long promoted education and leadership for women. The Defendants contend that Fleming has competently managed the organization and is its sole legal manager since January 2023, and claim that her authority over the Florida Plaintiffs is expressed in the corporate public records. The Defendants argue unconvincingly that Mr. Straub has provided no credible proof of ownership, and that testimony, including from Galle, reveals inconsistencies and procedural irregularities in Straub’s claims. Defendants suggest that disrupting the management now would not preserve the status quo but rather would harm the organization's ability to function and damage its reputation. Defendants argue that there is no public interest in disrupting the continued operations of the Miss America organization under Fleming’s management. Defendants assert that if a preliminary injunction is necessary it need not disrupt the organization and may be employed to preserve the status quo which could ensure continued operations, and protect the interests of Plaintiffs, stakeholders, licensees, and the public. As a result, the Defendants assert that the evidence does not support Plaintiffs’ request to expel Fleming while this action is pending. The Court agrees that measured injunctive relief is more appropriate and reasonably likely to preserve the status quo. CORPORATE MODERATOR- GLENN WINS (Glenn’s Choice) Additionally, exercising the Court’s broad discretion, at the Plaintiffs’ election, the Court will appoint a corporate Monitor to monitor the business activities of Defendants, which would include among other things, contemporaneous access to all facilities, books and records, access to all communications, the right to review contemplated business activities, scheduling of events, contemplated contracts, and other material matters. The corporate Monitor shall prepare reports every 10 days, which reports shall be provided to each of the parties (and provided to the Court) on a confidential basis. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thank you for posting the truth (NT) -- No name, 17:18:36 10/23/24 Wed (pool-98-113-202-63.nycmny.fios.verizon.net/98.113.202.63) I read all the filings, Robin asked for the Monitor so MONITOR = ROBIN WINS (NT) -- No name, 18:05:26 10/23/24 Wed (mail82.anonymouse.org/193.200.150.82) You must cannot read well then. It clearly says that they both have to AGREE on the monitor. So if Glenn does not approve that means Robin’s monitor will not be permitted. (NT) -- No name, 18:22:40 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/172.56.65.35) Actually what it says is the court will appoint a monitor if Straub elects to have one appointed. Then the parties can try to agree on one and if they cannot agree, both sides submit three names and the court will appoint one. (NT) -- No name, 12:24:32 10/24/24 Thu (NoHost/104.193.135.216) Good try with the misinformation, but you are wrong. I guess this is your attempt to spin things. (NT) -- No name, 21:32:44 10/23/24 Wed (NoHost/38.172.112.247) Can someone please post the link to where this information can be found? (NT) -- No name, 08:25:14 10/24/24 Thu (NoHost/194.5.214.4) Straub put in limited evidence to prove that he had the right to bring the lawsuit in the names of corporate entities. He had to do this to establish himself as an agent of the corporation. The judge did not find he proved ownership nor did the court opine that he thought Straub proved ownership. The language is pretty clear. All the Court said was IF the evidence Straub put forth in the TRO IS TRUE there is a likelihood at trial Straub could prove ownership. But he would have to withstand his history of creating FALSE DOCUMENTS and a pattern of fraud. There was none testimony in the TRO because ownership was not at issue. Straub's attempt to have the court declare him the owner was denied. Removal of Robin, denied. Harm by Robin proved? NOPE. Denied. All court said is because Straub may be able to prove ownership at trial, denying him access to books might cause harm the court issued limited relief. (NT) -- No name, 12:16:15 10/24/24 Thu (NoHost/104.193.135.216) The limited relief Straub got was basically a continuance of the interim order which the court acknowledged showed Robin's compliance. Robin asked for the monitor and the Court noting that the costs are going to be borne by the Plaintiff's left that choice up to Glenn if he thinks it is necessary given that the interim order basically continues. So making the Monitor an option benefits Robin not Glenn. The only part of the TRO Straub was granted was his request for access to the books and even that is limited if you read the basis for that access. I will leave it to you sleuths to figure out how the court narrowed the access. Straub was not declared the owern, was not able to have the court declare the Robin is harming the org, did not get Robin removed and can take advantage of what Robin wanted, the monitor, if he wishes. But you go ahead and keep drinking the kool ade. It is just starting to get fun. (NT) -- No name, 12:21:50 10/24/24 Thu (NoHost/104.193.135.216)

Subject: Were the changing gowns from prelims to finals only during the years the top ten were called and went right into evening gown competition?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:13:59 10/21/24 Mon (75.97.137.92.res-cmts.sewb.ptd.net/75.97.137.92) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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What happened to the replies to this post that were here over the weekend? (NT) -- No name, 06:20:07 10/22/24 Tue (ip68-99-30-158.om.om.cox.net/68.99.30.158) Two threads on the board re: this topic. Scroll down for the other with its replies. (NT) -- No name, 08:09:32 10/22/24 Tue (syn-065-024-160-016.res.spectrum.com/65.24.160.16)

Subject: Who do you think has done the most damage to Miss America?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:41:40 09/17/24 Tue (tor-exit-3.zbau.f3netze.de/185.220.100.254) Sam Haskell? Gretchen Carlson? Regina Hopper? Shantel Krebs? Robin Fleming? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Carlson -- No name, 14:56:51 09/17/24 Tue (c-73-180-55-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net/73.180.55.154) Gretchen Carlson (NT) -- No name, 16:06:10 09/17/24 Tue (172-13-130-188.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/172.13.130.188) Each one of them has severely damaged Miss America in some way. I disliked Haskell, Carlson and Hopper equally. Krebs was simply in over her head. (NT) -- No name, 04:15:23 09/18/24 Wed (NoHost/159.100.209.51) Everything that has gone wrong in the last decade is ALL a direct result of Sam Haskell's narcissistic misogynism. (NT) -- No name, 11:00:05 09/19/24 Thu (NoHost/172.59.75.86) Hopper (NT) -- No name, 06:09:02 09/18/24 Wed (23-112-240-123.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/23.112.240.123) Gretchen (NT) -- No name, 07:26:04 09/18/24 Wed (NoHost/104.236.8.225) Gretchen, the downfall began with her (NT) -- No name, 10:23:28 09/18/24 Wed (NoHost/146.75.136.1) Carlson, who got us in debt with lawyer fees. 2nd was Shantel who put on the worst Anniversary pageant in the history of pageantry and the whole world saw how low we had sunk, and don't forget Regina who kept forcing girls to sign all kinds of damning contracts without being allowed to have anyone review them and non payment of scholarships for a Scholarship pageant is unforgiveable. Robin put on a decent production but is only interested in making a coin, takes out the word Scholarship, and absconds with over $200,000 and demands access to all states checking accounts is just too scandalous for words. For Glenn to do better He has to prove he is not in this to use the girls for $$ and further rob this crippled program. He need solid leadership, (recommend a strong State Director to show him the ropes, put on a solid show with reasonable priced tickets. Get rid of the "Opportunity bs" and pay the girls. He will earn some respect that his reputation could use. (NT) -- They each added a rusty nail to the coffin., 10:24:19 09/18/24 Wed (ec2-35-92-203-252.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com/35.92.203.252) Glenn would be the end. Hard to believe you think he should be anywhere near this program. Download the lawsuit Robin filed against him. You will be shocked. The allegations are mind blowing. For your information MAO has had access to the states' bank accounts, operating and scholarship sine the Al Marks days. Was in every Franchise agreement so if the state leadership changes the funds can go to the new leadership. It really helps if people posting here post actual facts. (NT) -- No name, 11:56:42 09/18/24 Wed (c-73-74-207-142.hsd1.il.comcast.net/73.74.207.142) The dumpster fire - Gretchen and Regina!!! (NT) -- No name, 10:52:47 09/18/24 Wed (syn-070-113-128-069.res.spectrum.com/70.113.128.69) Interesting read on Gretchen Carlson -- *No name, 12:03:24 09/18/24 Wed* (customer.dllstxx1.pop.starlinkisp.net/129.222.79.14) Wait A Minute! Robin demands access to all the state’s bank accounts. Is that true? (NT) -- No name, 15:18:19 09/18/24 Wed (syn-069-200-248-218.wifi.spectrum.com/69.200.248.218) I'd say Gretchen Carlson. She started the damaging changes with her vision, and the rest after her have only harmed it more. But I would put the blame for MAO's present condition on Ms. Carlson. (NT) -- No name, 15:54:42 09/18/24 Wed (NoHost/149.115.99.137) And the thing is Gretchen knew what the pageant was like the year she competed and gave up her crown: the energetic opening numbers, contestants in modest one-piece swimsuits, (that represented such a small percentage of their score) the glamor of the evening gown competition, and the magic of the phenominal closing numbers. How she lived through all that and made the pageant totally unrecognizeable from what fans loved for years and years is beyond my comprehension. If she herself had never been in a pageant and experienced the exhilaration of being crowned and walking down that long runway, it would have been a different story. (NT) -- No name, 21:22:41 09/18/24 Wed (184-97-0-168.lcrs.centurylink.net/184.97.0.168) Gretchen Carlson. An absolutely horrible human being. (NT) -- No name, 00:22:20 09/19/24 Thu (c-98-41-68-45.hsd1.ca.comcast.net/98.41.68.45) ABSOLUTELY Gretchen and Regina!! that was the end of Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 15:36:32 09/21/24 Sat (c-73-14-141-197.hsd1.co.comcast.net/73.14.141.197) Gretchen and Regina! and no one mentioned Mallory (NT) -- No name, 01:27:42 09/25/24 Wed (syn-076-089-226-223.res.spectrum.com/76.89.226.223) how about Brent???? (NT) -- No name, 18:41:41 09/25/24 Wed (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) How exactly did Mallory cause ANY damage?? (NT) -- No name, 20:40:55 09/25/24 Wed (104-179-20-249.lightspeed.lsvlky.sbcglobal.net/104.179.20.249) She was in cahoots with Gretchen and Regina (NT) -- No name, 01:07:57 09/26/24 Thu (126.sub-174-193-130.myvzw.com/174.193.130.126) Wretchen and Regina (NT) -- No name, 21:23:31 09/26/24 Thu (customer.sttlwax1.pop.starlinkisp.net/98.97.37.36) Robin (NT) -- No name, 02:19:46 09/27/24 Fri (NoHost/50.233.172.2) While I am still on the fence about Robin, keep in mind that if MAO had not been on the verge of bankruptcy, there would be no Robin. So for me, I hold responsible the people that got MAO to the brink of financial extinction. And that was a steady progression over the course of 30 years, where each new leadership team took the program further down. The demise of MAO started under Leonard Horn, when all aspects of talent and onstage beauty were ignored, while they crowned interview queens, who were going to testify before Congress. While amateur talent programs were exploding in popularity, MAO was having women in evening gowns talking about death statistics associated with all of societies ills, and people just scratched their heads and tuned out. (NT) -- No name, 12:53:24 09/28/24 Sat (NoHost/148.59.75.51) This is a very interesting perspective, and quite possibly correct. (NT) -- No name, 14:16:15 10/03/24 Thu (c-68-80-3-34.hsd1.pa.comcast.net/68.80.3.34) When was Lenard Horn in charge (NT) -- No name, 14:37:29 10/08/24 Tue (202.sub-174-193-130.myvzw.com/174.193.130.202) 1988 to 1998. He was Board President for many years prior, when Al Marks ran the Pageant. (NT) -- No name, 09:58:25 10/14/24 Mon (NoHost/148.59.75.52) I enjoyed Miss America pageant most when Sam was in charge. (NT) -- No name, 13:50:09 10/03/24 Thu (NoHost/138.197.115.202) For those of us who were well involved well before Haskell came along as our self-proclaimed savior, I can tell you I did not enjoy the Haskell years. He created a black list culture where people who didn't agree with him were pushed aside and banished from the program. He has just as much to do with the demise of MAO as Gretchen, Regina, Shauntel and Robin (NT) -- No name, 11:44:12 10/04/24 Fri (NoHost/148.59.75.52) Definitely Sam Haskell-his fake apology to Vanessa Williams started it all downhill (NT) -- No name, 17:26:17 10/03/24 Thu (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) It was already rolling downhill. The Vanessa apology was a publicity stunt to boost sagging ratings. (NT) -- No name, 11:02:53 10/04/24 Fri (NoHost/148.59.75.52) Of course we could blame Mallory for blowing the whistle on Sammy. But his scandals both past and present have tainted the image of MAO to an extent that Gretch and Regina never quite achieved. Is it fair to blame him for Jr's crime spree? Possibly not. But the circumstances are so evil it's impossible to overlook. (NT) -- No name, 16:36:56 10/05/24 Sat (c-75-70-175-167.hsd1.co.comcast.net/75.70.175.167) Most Harm -- No name, 14:10:50 10/06/24 Sun (NoHost/38.146.57.244) Sam Haskell. Regardless of his ability to get back to AC and a TV deal, they way he led, the vindictiveness with which he treated ANYONE who offered credible challenge and the very obvious contempt he held for the contestants ushered in a season where knee-jerk leadership changes were made resulting in lack of agency and input from Directors and volunteers and a complete abandonment of Miss America's identity. All roads lead to that moist-looking closet case. (NT) -- No name, 13:46:09 10/08/24 Tue (NoHost/199.67.131.156) None of the above. The correct answer is the state directors and other volunteers who knew what was going on but decided their legacy was more important and lacked the courage to speak up or defend those who wanted accountability. This public silence continues today. (NT) -- ureka smoke, 09:44:25 10/15/24 Tue (ip98-169-99-148.dc.dc.cox.net/98.169.99.148) THIS!! (NT) -- #truth, 09:24:31 10/21/24 Mon (pr1.powertotread.com/98.159.33.11)

Subject: How often did a contestant change their preliminary gown to a different gown for finals? Was that only during the years when the top ten went right into evening gown competition?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:32:57 10/15/24 Tue (75.97.137.92.res-cmts.sewb.ptd.net/75.97.137.92) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Last year contestants were told that they had to wear the same gown for prelims and finals, no gown change allowed. (NT) -- No name, 15:20:48 10/16/24 Wed (69-109-224-57.lightspeed.okcbok.sbcglobal.net/69.109.224.57) Allegedly, Leanza Cornett wore a white evening gown her pageant committee demanded she wear for the preliminaries. She hated that gown, she didn't feel confident in it. When she told them she wanted to wear the yellow gown if she made the top ten, again, they put their foot down and said "no". So backstage, Leanza purposely disabled the zipper on the white gown, so she could not wear it. She wore the yellow gown, and became the first Miss Florida to win Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 18:14:46 10/17/24 Thu (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) Actually, it was a red gown (also by Stephen Yearick) that Leanza purposedly disabled. The white gown you reference she was crowned in, as all the contestants wore white in the closing number. She borrowed the white gown and long gloves from a friend. But otherwise, you're right. (NT) -- No name, 18:32:20 10/17/24 Thu (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) Well at 6:40 she is wearing a white gown during evening gown preliminaries. I was always told it was her white gown from state. There are photos of her wearing the red gown with her Miss A crown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkkA2PMmUG8&t=403s -- No name, 15:04:39 10/18/24 Fri (c-73-98-223-111.hsd1.ut.comcast.net/73.98.223.111) Leanza had two white gowns. One was her preliminary competition gown. The other was the borrowed gown (with gloves) which she wore for the all-white finale and crowning. (NT) -- No name, 10:42:49 10/19/24 Sat (syn-065-024-160-016.res.spectrum.com/65.24.160.16) Her talent gown was also white. Make that three. (NT) -- No name, 10:48:07 10/19/24 Sat (syn-065-024-160-016.res.spectrum.com/65.24.160.16) Likewise, her talent gown looks white on YouTube but I swear to you that it was NOT white: I would say yellow, perhaps tan. It's wild how these old videos make so many gowns look white. Can any other old-timers confirm this? Thanks! (NT) -- No name, 00:12:37 10/20/24 Sun (NoHost/50.249.76.118) I thought her competition evening gown was pink; not white? Regardless, she cut the zipper and wore the yellow one on Saturday night. (NT) -- No name, 19:20:04 10/19/24 Sat (c-98-220-13-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net/98.220.13.180) I think it was pink. Just looks white on YouTube. (NT) -- No name, 19:32:20 10/19/24 Sat (syn-065-024-160-016.res.spectrum.com/65.24.160.16) It was indeed a peach/blush/pink gown, strapless with a full skirt. Pretty gown, but didn’t make the impression that the yellow gown did. (NT) -- No name, 04:44:44 10/20/24 Sun (c-73-152-66-197.hsd1.va.comcast.net/73.152.66.197) At Miss Universe 1998, Miss USA's Shawne Jebbia wore another contestants' gown. It was yellow, but I don't remember who that contestant was. (NT) -- No name, 19:57:53 10/17/24 Thu (d-75-118-29-160.oh.cpe.breezeline.net/75.118.29.160) The white gown Shawnae Jebbia wore during the Miss Universe gown video (coming up the escalator) was worn by Andrea Roche Miss Ireland during prelims. Shawnae wore the same yellow gown for Universe prelims and finals. (NT) -- VE, 23:16:50 10/17/24 Thu (30.indianapolis-11rh16rt.in.dial-access.att.net/12.74.55.30) Bob Mackie -- No name, 20:01:27 10/17/24 Thu (syn-068-202-059-035.res.spectrum.com/68.202.59.35) anza wore a Bob Mackie Chiffon Gown for Prelims and changed into her yellow for Finals. She disabled the zipper on her BM Gown! She wore the red Stephen Yearick Gown for her Coronation after the Pageant! Ironically, Leanza forgot her Aids Awareness red ribbon on Prelims Night but had it on proudly for Finals! (NT) -- No name, 21:52:49 10/17/24 Thu (syn-068-202-059-035.res.spectrum.com/68.202.59.35) Robin Meade, Miss Ohio 1992, also changed her gown from prelims to finals…same year as Leanza. (NT) -- No name, 10:22:01 10/19/24 Sat (NoHost/172.59.219.41) I once read maybe on TFTJ back in the day that Robyn M’s white leather gown was not approved to be worn on the broadcast by TV directors, hence the change. Leanza’s ribbon/no ribbon could have been strategic—preliminary judges were often more conservative. (NT) -- No name, 09:20:47 10/20/24 Sun (ip68-99-30-158.om.om.cox.net/68.99.30.158)

Subject: CEO Circle Members Letter
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:56:56 10/08/24 Tue (NoHost/172.58.254.57) The money grab continues as Ryan asks people to shell out ridiculous sums of money to get undeliverable goods. Remember how badly this went last year? Reports of States not getting their table; tickets messed up; no program books. Does Ryan not know how to proof a letter? It is embarrassing to read. The promises and true ticket value amounts don’t make sense. Who is going to fall for this? We look forward to seeing the names of the people who decide to become CEO Circle Members. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Most states are feeling pressured to buy into this, as there is limited seating for regular people. So many of us feel obligated to do this to ensure our girls families can come. (NT) -- No name, 11:46:24 10/09/24 Wed (NoHost/104.28.50.136) Just do what Madison's dad did last year. He made a small donation to the theater and then called their box office BEFORE tickets went on sale. He got them to allow him to buy out all those tickets right there in front of the runway for him because he was a "donor". Wasn't it interesting that her family was all right there at the front? Now you know why. (NT) -- No name, 12:32:32 10/09/24 Wed (unn-212-102-45-115.cdn77.com/212.102.45.115) We received several emails last year about becoming a donor to the Phillips Theater and one of the perks was buying tickets early. It wasn't just her family that had the option. (NT) -- No name, 13:03:17 10/09/24 Wed (NoHost/128.163.239.213) Can anyone purchase these CEO tickets? Robin makes it seem like they are for the elite. I would figure anyone who has the money can buy them. -- No one, 14:46:38 10/09/24 Wed (NoHost/172.56.3.111) Anyone can purchase them. (NT) -- No name, 11:47:26 10/14/24 Mon (75-144-226-225-Tallahassee.hfc.comcastbusiness.net/75.144.226.225) who got this letter? I never did? (NT) -- No name, 21:15:26 10/18/24 Fri (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) Have you signed up for the Miss America emails? (NT) -- No name, 21:51:53 10/18/24 Fri (mobile-166-196-082-134.mycingular.net/166.196.82.134)

Subject: I am not trying to start an argument with people on whether it's right or wrong. I am just confused on the constant eligibility rule changing. As you may or may not know, there is a woman wanting to sue Miss American and Miss World for discriminatory eligibility rules. Particularly regarding the fact that you can't be married and/or be a mother. Recently, I went on the Miss America site and they seemed to "change" the eligibility rules. Miss America ONLY mentions AGE eligibility not marital status, being a woman, etc. Which, if a newbie were to visit the site, a married woman perhaps could think she could compete. Don't believe me? Go look at the Miss America website rules yourself. I think they changed the rules but are keeping quiet about it. Here are my thoughts:
Author: No Name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:09:36 10/15/24 Tue (syn-047-231-178-134.res.spectrum.com/47.231.178.134) It is clear that Miss America is in debt. It is clear that the participation numbers are EXTREMELY low. It is clear that MAO needs help. I know people will disagree with me, but I think allowing married women with no dependents to compete is fine. People are scared that perhaps a married women would get "with child" but for goodness sakes people, why don't you have the same ideology when it comes to a contestant dating/engaged to someone? Its 2024... if they don't have dependents, I say let them compete. We need the numbers, we need the funds, and quite frankly it would be a nice change of pace. If someone could confirm with seeing the **NOVEMBER local contracts that the original rules still applies or if you are an ED and can ask about the lack of eligibility clarity on the website, that would be great! Thanks! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Bump (NT) -- No name, 16:21:49 10/15/24 Tue (syn-047-231-178-134.res.spectrum.com/47.231.178.134) There is no evidence that Robin's MA is in debt. Where are you getting that information? All the scholarships she announced have been paid, all vendors from the pageant have been paid or we would be hearing about that. So if you are going to make a claim like that cite your facts please. I am sure everyone would like to know but only if it is factually true. (NT) -- No name, 20:38:54 10/15/24 Tue (unn-185-24-11-171.datapacket.com/185.24.11.171) So you have no comment on the fact that there was a potential eligibility change. It’s clear on their website that all the requirements listen to compete is only an age requirement -- No name, 21:23:03 10/15/24 Tue (syn-047-231-178-134.res.spectrum.com/47.231.178.134) The actual contract goes into much more detail, please move on. (NT) -- No name, 08:04:32 10/16/24 Wed (NoHost/128.163.239.233) Would you be so kind to share those details so those who don’t know the updated eligibility rules can be informed? Thanks for your kindness and understanding (NT) -- No name, 13:52:42 10/16/24 Wed (syn-047-231-178-134.res.spectrum.com/47.231.178.134) Contract (Click In) -- No name, 14:58:03 10/16/24 Wed (NoHost/128.163.239.233) From the looks of this the “never been pregnant” part has been taken out. So it looks like you could have had a baby but not be the legal guardian of the child? (NT) -- No name, 15:06:33 10/16/24 Wed (NoHost/172.56.65.35) OMG you are really reaching. (NT) -- No name, 15:21:58 10/16/24 Wed (NoHost/128.163.239.233) That sounds about right. Also divorced women can compete (NT) -- No name, 16:17:13 10/16/24 Wed (syn-047-231-178-134.res.spectrum.com/47.231.178.134) This also includes young women who have terminated an unplanned pregnancy. (NT) -- No name, 13:09:23 10/17/24 Thu (NoHost/172.59.227.172) Very happy to see the contract allowing medically-legal females compete again. Pretty sure they went back to natural-born females only for a while? If your doctor recognizes you medically as a female, you should be able to compete! (NT) -- No name, 16:44:47 10/16/24 Wed (NoHost/172.56.201.223)

Subject: Seven Years
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:00:54 09/15/24 Sun (NoHost/38.172.112.247) To understand where Miss America is today with the lawsuits and how far the Miss America program has spiraled into ruins, it’s important to understand the last seven years of the organization’s history. 1. In Jan 2018, the Forever Miss Americas banded together to start a new journey of running the Miss America program after Sam Haskell was ousted. There was 100% unity in the pageant community at this time and the hope and promise of an amazing future. 2. In summer 2018, the pageant was in turmoil as Gretchen Carlson and Regina Hopper hijacked the pageant and changed it to a new 2.0 version which eliminated swimsuit and the judging of physical beauty. 3. Cara Mund got the support of almost all of the pageant community with her outcry of being bullied by Gretchen and Regina. States banded together to try and stop Gretchen and Regina, except for the notable holdouts of Kay Alexander and Jan Mitchell who stayed silent. 4. A massive fundraising effort raised $50K for the legal defense fund for Jennifer Vaden Barth to fight the Miss America Org, but came up short on court victories in the end. 5. Gretchen Carlson and Regina Hopper racked up in excess of over $100K worth of legal bills to fight Jennifer Vaden Barth and the states legal fights. 6. Allison DeMarcus and her Tennessee Org are one of the franchises to be kicked out, only to move on and start the completely new Miss Volunteer America pageant system. 7. In Dec 2019, the Miss America contestants while in Connecticut are forced by Regina Hopper to sign statements acknowledging that Miss America can only pay for scholarships announced on stage if they have the money to pay for them. This leads to the “loophole” of the organization getting to announce scholarships that it legally doesn’t have to pay to the contestants in the end. 8. The Dec 2019 telecast by Regina Hopper and Brent Adams was the one and only time the pageant was “scripted,” with no real judging of finals night and a pre-written script with contestant placements already filled in before finals competition. 9. In 2020, Regina Hopper resigns, followed by the Board recognition of Gretchen Carlson several months later. Gretchen single-handedly passes on the leadership of Miss America to Shantel Krebs and announced her as CEO and Board Chair. 10. In late summer 2021, Shantel puts on a 100th Anniversary parade in a small Connecticut town, while the Miss America Foundation puts on a competing event in Atlantic City at the same time. 11. In Dec 2021, Shantel hosts the 100th Anniversary Miss America pageant in Connecticut, which will go down as perhaps the worst Miss America pageant in the history of the organization. This was also the first pageant not to be on television. 12. In Fall 2022, rumors swirl that Miss America is being sold. State EDs are all flown to Dallas for an all-expense paid weekend with new potential owner Jeffrey Hayzlett, who dreamed big for the future of Miss America back on television. 13. In Dec 2022, the Miss America Organization Board of Directors voted to sell Miss America to Robin Ross-Fleming. 14. In January 2023, Robin Ross-Fleming is announced as the new CEO of Miss America. Rumors swirl on the Voy message board that the real owner of Miss America is Glenn Straub. Google searches of Glenn Straub turn up horrible stories of his past. 15. Shantel Krebs tells members of the pageant community that if you want to know who really owns Miss America, to look up Glenn Straub. Robin-Ross Fleming tells the pageant community that she has enough money to run Miss America for the next 100 years. And here we are today….. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Gretchen Carlson had the connections, resources and the money to bring Miss America back to its glory days. What the hell does someone do with 20 million dollars in a lifetime? Instead she turned everything upside down by the "we're no longer going to judge our 'candidates' on their physical appearance. There was no way we would have ever had an unattractive, overweight Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 12:06:15 09/16/24 Mon (184-100-144-50.lcrs.qwest.net/184.100.144.50) I had no idea that 2019 didn't score finals night. Kind of seems like a big waste of time and energy to make them do all that. (NT) -- No name, 15:40:48 09/16/24 Mon (c-73-149-76-42.hsd1.nh.comcast.net/73.149.76.42) that has never been proven to be true (NT) -- No name, 15:52:17 09/16/24 Mon (NoHost/128.163.239.160) Ask Simone Esthers, that year’s Miss Missouri. She will tell you. Plus, go back and watch the pageant and just pay close attention to the judges. Every one of their comments is scripted. There’s no way the judges could have pulled off naming the finalists and doing the cuts the way they did without a script. Would have been impossible to fill in the blanks in real time and do the eliminations the way they did. (NT) -- No name, 19:58:18 09/16/24 Mon (NoHost/107.115.163.110) Who won the pageant in 2019? (NT) -- No name, 19:29:52 09/17/24 Tue (c-73-87-132-161.hsd1.md.comcast.net/73.87.132.161) Camille Schrier (NT) -- No name, 19:40:27 09/17/24 Tue (NoHost/107.115.163.106) 2018 (9/2017) was the last Miss America pageant. Every year since has been a more and more diluted version (NT) -- No name, 09:20:53 09/17/24 Tue (a172-226-3-169.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com/172.226.3.169) This is one of the best digested version of the recent history of MAO. Thank you. It is so sad to see how far we have fallen. I hope we can get back on top soon...but it can't happen with the current leadership. So tired of being told what each state HAS to do: Raise $3K for AHA, Buy each princess an expensive sash/crown, Buy your dress from Henri's, Pay for a $2k ad page, etc... (NT) -- No name, 13:56:37 09/17/24 Tue (10.tor-exit.nothingtohide.nl/192.42.116.200) Amen. 🙏 (NT) -- No name, 21:37:41 09/23/24 Mon (NoHost/172.59.208.123) I thought Gretchen resigned shortly after the 2018 competition that was held in Atlantic City. Regina and Brent were the ones in charge of the "scripted" 2019 pageant, and I don't believe Gretchen was involved in any way at that time. (NT) -- No name, 02:26:50 09/29/24 Sun (184-97-0-168.lcrs.centurylink.net/184.97.0.168) You can add 2019 when Shantel sued Miss America's Outstanding Teen BOD and org. (2 lawsuits). The teen program was doing well, financially, and paying their scholarships. They had built up their scholarship account and operating funds. It was thought at the time that Shantel was desperately trying to get her hands on the teen money. Donna fought her. They eventually settled but Shantel didn't get any of the teen funds. The teen board decided it was best to break their ties with MAO. Donna continued to pay all the scholarships as they were requested until the funds ran out. The lawsuits emptied the operations account but legal fees could not be paid from the scholarship account. I have been told that Donna pays uncovered scholarships out of her pocket. I would imagine there are not too many left to be paid. (NT) -- No name, 18:14:36 09/29/24 Sun (NoHost/50.86.219.105) Wow and for this Donna needs to be one of the first people brought back in if Robin is ousted. (NT) -- No name, 19:49:27 09/29/24 Sun (NoHost/172.56.68.78) Miss America’s demise started long before 2018. The biggest problem is fiscal. Any pageant can survive with money. MAO was driven into a fiscal hole of millions of dollars. (NT) -- No name, 07:07:14 10/13/24 Sun (syn-076-038-107-136.res.spectrum.com/76.38.107.136) Number 7 above is revealing and I am surprised more people have forgotten this. From that day forward every contestant signed a contract agreeing to this stipulation. If there is no money to pay the announced scholarships then there is NO OBLIGATION TO PAY THEM. Know who else signed that contract? The MAF!! Yep. The very organization who is suing Robin to collect a debt they know is not owed. I think this is why the announced scholarships were not listed as debt and why Shantel was never concerned about it. One more piece of evidence that MAF is in the CYA mode. It borrowed money to continue to pay its salaries including raises and now is trying to get Robin to pay them money she does not owe them. Thank you poster for reminding us (NT) -- No name, 10:48:21 10/13/24 Sun (NoHost/103.108.229.77)

Subject: States Are Talking
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:41:09 09/20/24 Fri (NoHost/107.115.163.126) States are starting to talk about a possible game plan as they look to the future. There are a group of states that absolutely will not send their contestants to Miss America if Glenn is put in charge. This is, of course, because of his horrible documented treatment of women. There are also those of the opinion that Robin should not be allowed to keep the organization because she single-handedly was the one that introduced Glenn to Miss America. At that time, all of the horrendous articles about Glenn’s behavior was available for the world to see and she still went ahead and brought him into the mix and even had Grace Stanke live in his guest house for a while. There are two plans being tossed around at this time. One plan is to completely forego any national Miss America experience and just “close” Miss America by not sending any state representatives to the national competition until Robin/Glenn sell the organization to new owners. The second option is to host a Miss America pageant separate from Robin/Glenn. With the number of lawsuits Miss America is already facing and where Miss America is right now, it would be highly unlikely to the states to get sued for doing this. If Robin tried to fire any of the EDs, they would just use the same argument she is using with Glenn and tell her that she doesn’t have the authority to do that. Also to note- those state EDs who completely kiss butt to Robin are being completely shut out of these discussions for confidentiality reasons. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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And this information is based on??? (NT) -- No name, 13:38:11 09/20/24 Fri (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) Seems like something cooked up in Minnesota or Arkansas, just saying. (NT) -- No name, 15:55:20 09/20/24 Fri (c-73-74-207-142.hsd1.il.comcast.net/73.74.207.142) I guarantee it isn't coming from Arkansas, they will send their girl, period (NT) -- No name, 11:31:35 09/21/24 Sat (mobile-107-77-196-11.mobile.att.net/107.77.196.11) It isn't coming from Minnesota either. The director there kisses the ass of whoever is in charge of Miss America, no matter how detrimental they may be to the program. (NT) -- No name, 16:24:01 09/21/24 Sat (184-97-0-168.lcrs.centurylink.net/184.97.0.168) Plus the MN ED is obsessed with power. That's why she fawns after whoever is the CEO of Miss America.After years and years of no accountability, combined with her love of power and control, she doesn’t see what she’s become. Her ‘faux’ leadership has led to decisions that no longer reflect the best interests of the women or the organization. Kinda models herself after the national level actually. (NT) -- calling it like it is, 11:57:46 10/09/24 Wed (NoHost/98.159.33.21) Not so sure about that. Minnesota leadership is wishy washy. Did Susan and Jeremy Ables produce that pageant this year? I heard they got fired by Oklahoma and Texas. Some dispute about them not receiving live streaming money. Will the Ables produce the national pageant this year? I asked our director and he said it was doubtful since Straub 's lawyers had them in the courtroom ready to call them as witnesses. Is that true? If so, looks like they probably would not be producing but not sure of the facts. (NT) -- No name, 19:09:39 10/09/24 Wed (NoHost/194.110.115.42) It seems like several states broke away from them in USA and MAO. It was said that Robin mandated that no state pageant were to use them for production and videography last year. The usual states that used them did not while it seemed MN went against that rule. (NT) -- No name, 02:23:09 10/10/24 Thu (NoHost/172.58.0.253) If they took the live streaming money for themselves they should not be involved in any state but do not know the facts. Seems if MN kept using them to produce their show they have decided to be on Straub's side. I know several states have been concerned about a state director feeding Straub's team information could it be Minnesota? Seems likely to me given the Ables connection and the Ables being willing to testify for Straub. Maybe Straub promised Susan and Jeremy something? Is there anyone who knows? (NT) -- No name, 08:04:34 10/10/24 Thu (static-198-44-140-202.cust.tzulo.com/198.44.140.202) All of this sounds stupid. Like 2018 all over again. States need to wait it out and not make any sudden decisions that will blow up the program any further. Just seems like another Volunteer like disaster waiting to happen. If states want to do something then they need to boycott by not sending representatives at all. No new pageants just come together as one and don’t send your winner anywhere. That’ll get press and make Robin move. If not just wait it out and play the game like you always do. I don’t see Robin being the owner for much longer anyway regardless of the outcome of the court case. Either someone will buy it from her and agree to cover all the legal fees/debts or if Glenn gets it he will sell because he’s all about a dollar and probably knows people who’d want it. Patience is the key here even if it’s a bad spot. (NT) -- No name, 18:37:10 09/20/24 Fri (NoHost/172.56.68.78) Agree, that's the most asannine thing I've read in a while. Why on earth would anyone/state punish their contestant by not allowing them to have the Miss America Experience. The only people that would hurt would be the contestants. That would solve nothing! (NT) -- No name, 19:52:31 09/23/24 Mon (NoHost/185.216.35.26) The states won’t do anything. Mark my words. They are not in charge of Miss America. Never have been and never will be. The states have been in the same position since all the craziness started with Gretchen. No, they do not stand up and speak out. It’s too hard. Sure you could risk getting kicked out and then go start your own pageant like Volunteer did, but it’s not worth it and trust me the state EDs left do not have any fight in them like Allison did. At this point the ones left are the ones that sit back and let it happen to them no matter what. It does guarantee them to be able to keep their state, franchise, which I guess is all that they really want. (NT) -- No name, 11:54:20 09/21/24 Sat (NoHost/38.172.112.247) These states have already paid thousands of dollars to Robin for their State Franchise Fee, do you think they will not participate? (NT) -- No name, 12:20:20 09/21/24 Sat (108-239-242-250.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net/108.239.242.250) I like the public press conference & protest idea better that is being planned for Orlando (NT) -- No name, 14:12:42 09/21/24 Sat (syn-172-254-044-186.biz.spectrum.com/172.254.44.186) How great that will be for the contestants! (NT) -- No name, 19:58:14 09/23/24 Mon (NoHost/185.216.35.26) This is meant as a threat but actually it reveals are stupid the people who are on the "let's smear Robin" team really are. I fo one hope there is such an event as each organizer and participant can find themselves a defendant in a defamation an tortious interference with business lawsuit. I wish I could be there at the pageant itself but will have my popcorn ready to read the goings on that surely will be posted here with breathless, inane commentary. (NT) -- No name, 10:43:53 09/24/24 Tue (c-73-74-207-142.hsd1.il.comcast.net/73.74.207.142) Which states? This is so ridiculous and salacious. Just stop. (NT) -- No name, 01:19:52 09/22/24 Sun (160.sub-174-224-199.myvzw.com/174.224.199.160) No popcorn needed. I hope people involved will speak up and demand answers from the leaders. If they keep avoiding any discussion, it will just get work. (NT) -- No name, 11:59:25 09/24/24 Tue (NoHost/4.2.100.162) Maybe Volunteer can but what’s left and bring Miss A back (NT) -- No name, 12:28:55 10/10/24 Thu (syn-076-187-102-224.res.spectrum.com/76.187.102.224) That's laughable. (NT) -- ., 15:36:07 10/10/24 Thu (NoHost/172.59.113.59) yeah our state just had their pageant with 2 girls lol (NT) -- No name, 16:26:45 10/10/24 Thu (NoHost/128.163.239.233)

Subject: TODAY’S THE BIG DAY on Zoom
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:12:06 09/26/24 Thu (NoHost/107.115.163.35) Today is the big day got the final part of the Temporary Injunction hearing. If the judge decides to rule on the spot, we may have our answer as to who will be running Miss America for the foreseeable future (at least until the final trial in a year or so). Everyone should be on the Zoom call at 1:30 (12:30cst). Meeting code is 88244742921. It’s super easy to listen in anonymously. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Anyone able to join yet? (NT) -- No name, 13:42:04 09/26/24 Thu (NoHost/172.56.68.78) It's on now, until 4:15 EST, I believe. (NT) -- No name, 14:00:05 09/26/24 Thu (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) Oh good! Robin's got the name tag on today! Who is she wearing that for?? (NT) -- No name, 14:20:09 09/26/24 Thu (NoHost/139.71.144.3) Omg, is she paying lawyer fees with the scholarship funds? (NT) -- No name, 14:32:17 09/26/24 Thu (syn-024-163-059-002.res.spectrum.com/24.163.59.2) For all of you thinking Robin is on the up-and-up...she just admitted on the stand that she paid her attorneys' retainer fee FROM THE SCHOLARSHIP ACCOUNT!!! (NT) -- No name, 14:33:36 09/26/24 Thu (NoHost/139.71.144.3) That can't be good. She has almost a DOZEN lawyers. (Click In to Read) -- No name, 18:00:15 09/26/24 Thu (NoHost/23.154.177.9) I guess we know why so many girls haven't been paid yet... (NT) -- No name, 14:07:46 09/27/24 Fri (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) The scholarship fund is being sued (NT) -- No name, 14:39:55 09/26/24 Thu (c-73-74-207-142.hsd1.il.comcast.net/73.74.207.142) Looks like one of Robins lawyers asked for the public zoom to be turned off while the judge is speaking. What a coward (NT) -- No name, 16:12:14 09/26/24 Thu (NoHost/172.56.68.78) Why did the cut it off? -- No name, 16:12:22 09/26/24 Thu (NoHost/209.198.16.98) What was the outcome? -- No name, 16:43:32 09/26/24 Thu (NoHost/209.198.16.98) At this point the trial (called a Temporary Injunction) is over. This trial was to determine who gets to manage Miss America until another trial (probably at least another year away) will determine the actual owner. It this point both sides will file their final arguments/summaries and then the judge will decide. I bet we get a ruling in about a month. In my opinion, I feel like the judge will partially decide in favor of Glenn. The judge does seem very fair and impartial but a lot of his smaller rulings on motions and such all seem to go Glenn’s way at this point. (NT) -- No name, 17:59:26 09/26/24 Thu (mobile-166-199-242-054.mycingular.net/166.199.242.54) Is this a review of what was said by the judge when they cut the zoom off? Or is this a figurative guess of what’s going to happen? (NT) -- No name, 18:32:18 09/26/24 Thu (mobile-166-196-054-128.mycingular.net/166.196.54.128) How can she legally use scholarships for her lawyer fees? I’m no lawyer but that seems like another lawsuit waiting to happen. (NT) -- No name, 05:49:39 09/27/24 Fri (NoHost/50.233.172.2) Every single ED should be blowing up her phone - and Ryan's too. What a freaking scammer. What was she hoping to do? Win Glenn's money and put the money back before anyone noticed? And how does anyone know she only took out the retainer amount? Which BTW, I think it's BS that she couldn't remember how much that retainer was- she knows EXACTLY how much that was. I'd bet $100 (you know, the full amount she paid for MA) that she didn't want to have to admit on the stand how much that was. If she couldn't come up with the cash for the retainer, how has she come up with the cash for the legal bills? This has been dragging on for months and apparently she thinks quantity is more important than quality when it comes to that. So how is she paying them?? If I was owed scholarship money I would be FURIOUS to know that that's how she's using money that should be used for SCHOLARSHIPS!! (NT) -- No name, 17:12:22 09/27/24 Fri (NoHost/139.71.144.2) Yep we knew this already she just confirmed it on the stand and tried so hard to lie her way around it. The lawyer got really tough with her and said “it’s a yes or no question” and she had to admit it. He also asked her was she currently collecting scholarship money for that same account and she tried to play dumb and say “well we’re not a collections agency.” But then eventually had to admit that that was true that she is accepting “donations” for scholarships. Robin please give this up. You are a fraud and this could only get worse for you. (NT) -- No name, 17:31:03 09/27/24 Fri (NoHost/172.56.68.78) Did it come out that contestants had not been paid their scholarship winnings? (NT) -- No name, 19:15:51 09/27/24 Fri (c-71-206-117-246.hsd1.tn.comcast.net/71.206.117.246) In response to her using schoolership money, that is the only speculation and allegation not proof of any misconduct. Schoolerships haven't been paid for many years. That's been an a continuous problem and not just on the national level. (NT) -- No name, 20:51:43 09/27/24 Fri (NoHost/146.70.28.26) Speculation? She admitted it on the stand under oath. Nice try. (NT) -- No name, 22:48:43 09/27/24 Fri (syn-024-163-059-002.res.spectrum.com/24.163.59.2) HOW can state directors continue on with this knowing their "boss" is taking funds from the scholarship account to pay her fees?!? How do you look at your contestants and explain this and move forward??? That is alo completely dishonest. (NT) -- No name, 12:36:51 09/28/24 Sat (c-73-14-141-197.hsd1.co.comcast.net/73.14.141.197) You are so right. Robin now has said ON THE STAND in court, that she is using money from the scholarship fund to pay her legal bills. If the directors won't speak up, I hope the Classes of 2022, 2023 and 2024 will use this sworn information to separately sue Robin to obtain their monies. (NT) -- No name, 13:21:42 09/28/24 Sat (mail.basketballcity.com/38.96.160.130) DIRECTORS take a stand and say no to this corruption for your young ladies! It's not just about a pageant anymore - this is dishonest and corrupt. Be transparent and say no more until there is honest leadership at the top. Your young women deserve that! (NT) -- No name, 12:16:38 10/04/24 Fri (c-73-14-141-197.hsd1.co.comcast.net/73.14.141.197) All it would take is oe state to say, No More! Then refuse to send their contestant. They could tell the girls at the state orientation that they may or may not be going to a national competition if they win the state. It is contingent upon whether the national organization straightens up. (NT) -- No name, 12:09:32 10/05/24 Sat (syn-065-188-072-067.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.67) She has to have already bankrupted the "scholarship fund" by now. Fortunately the contestants aren't looking for scholarships anymore or they are being picked because they'll never use them. This is completely different than the MAO I competed in. Very sad. (NT) -- No name, 22:12:49 10/06/24 Sun (NoHost/149.115.99.137) Maybe I am missing something but the Scholarship corporation was sued by Straub and is a defendant. Therefore it is perfectly fine for attorney's fees to be paid by that entity. Unless funds are restricted they can be used for operating expenses. (NT) -- No name, 10:07:15 10/07/24 Mon (NoHost/146.70.198.81) Thank you for understanding how nonprofit organizations work. Some of these fools could use a lesson in nonprofit management. (NT) -- No name, 10:13:34 10/07/24 Mon (c-71-224-85-159.hsd1.pa.comcast.net/71.224.85.159) So those of us who have given our lives to this organization and genuinely care about it are being called fools. If this is the new ownership, we've really reached a new lowest of low just when I think we have not yet. (NT) -- No name, 12:40:55 10/07/24 Mon (131.88.55.66.hosted.by.thegcloud.com/66.55.88.131) I think it's a bit dramatic to say "those of us who have given our lives". Regardless, this has always been, and continues to be, a volunteer organization. You are free to walk away at any time and pursue other interests. I did that a few years ago, and am much happier to be away from the frustration. I will always hold fond memories of my time working with MAO and still hold great friendships with the women I met and mentored over the years, as well as the other volunteers I worked with. But knowing when to walk away is also important. When you no longer support the leadership or mission of the program, you are better off to pack it up and move on. (NT) -- No name, 12:18:00 10/08/24 Tue (NoHost/148.59.75.52) People are involved for different reasons. Our state is still thriving. We will have more contestants in 2025 than we did this past summer. Our cash scholarshisps will be the highest ever and we pay all scholarships. Our Miss State is booked throughout the year and travels the state making appearances. We still have wonderful sponsors who provide so much to opur winner and to all of our contestants. Miss Ameirca is one week of the 52 weeks they serve. And most of our winners, even the most recent, have enjoyed their Miss Ameirca experience. Were they perfect? No. But they weren't perfect 25 years ago either. When our state pageant is no longer making an impact I will walk away. For now, we are doing well. Do I wish MIss Ameirca would improve? YES. It is only one reason many of us are involved. (NT) -- No name, 12:43:01 10/08/24 Tue (75-144-226-225-Tallahassee.hfc.comcastbusiness.net/75.144.226.225) Can I always deny the real problems that are occurring? YES. Can I ignore that at a national level my state winner will get no scholarships? SURE. Can my deflects make the other volunteers think everything is fine? NO (NT) -- No name, 15:05:46 10/08/24 Tue (NoHost/172.58.255.129) and just think, if we didn't send our state winners to MA how much more money we would have. I hate the pay it up the pyramid scheme. locals pay for state and states pay for Nationals. Nationals pay for nothing (NT) -- No name, 16:23:59 10/08/24 Tue (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) you wouldn't have any money if you didn't send your winner to MA because your license would be jerked in a heart beat (NT) -- No name, 11:09:32 10/09/24 Wed (NoHost/128.163.239.213) Our recent past Miss States have NEVER complained about getting no scholarships. No denying the problem. For me, The positives outweigh the negatives. I don't know why that is so hard to understand. (NT) -- No name, 09:28:30 10/09/24 Wed (75-144-226-225-Tallahassee.hfc.comcastbusiness.net/75.144.226.225) Your state is a mess. Your previous ED just got out of jail for stealing all the money. Your current ED remains silent has Robin works to destroy your biggest sponsor and silence them. Your latest titleholders have a fraction of the appearances the winners use to and get virtually no prep. (NT) -- No name, 11:01:13 10/09/24 Wed (NoHost/216.250.210.231)

Subject: Tickets
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:18:30 10/04/24 Fri (NoHost/172.59.211.136) Robin announced that each state gets 20 tickets. 100 seats are being held for staff, judges guests, sponsors, etc. That leaves about 200 seats to be divided up among everyone else. Sounds like a lot of disappointed volunteers. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Who cares about volunteers ( what about the families?) (NT) -- No name, 13:35:07 10/04/24 Fri (53.sub-174-193-133.myvzw.com/174.193.133.53) the fact that she could not find a larger venue tells me she is a failure. Even my small town has a larger venue than that. (NT) -- so sad, 14:18:15 10/04/24 Fri (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) Wow! She really learned a lot from the bafoonery of last year. (NT) -- No name, 16:27:58 10/04/24 Fri (NoHost/139.71.144.5) Many high school auditoriums hold more people? (NT) -- I'm confused, 17:30:11 10/04/24 Fri (syn-172-089-071-243.res.spectrum.com/172.89.71.243) So it won't be the Walt Disney Theater as last year? A smaller theater with only 1300 seats by this calculation? And will talent be a different venue again? (NT) -- Not a good sign, 00:46:15 10/05/24 Sat (NoHost/216.73.161.58) This is a simple case of no sponsorship and investment. If it remains in Orlando she easily could move it away from the resort areas to local areas. Spectrum stadium at UCF. Even any large theater at UCF or any local college or university. Lakeland is also a good option. I will never forget texas last year posting a message she is going to Disney world 😂 Hun you were nowhere near Disney world lol (NT) -- No name, 10:08:50 10/05/24 Sat (mobile-166-196-089-023.mycingular.net/166.196.89.23) Why is she stuck in Orlando? She could move it somewhere else. My city would love to host Miss America and they have a couple of venues in the 5 -7000 seat range. It would be like having your favorite Aunt, who was once rich and glamorous, come stay with you now that she's lost (or drunk up ) all her money. You know she's broke, but she's still got stories ( and the clothes!) (NT) -- No name, 11:59:26 10/05/24 Sat (syn-065-188-072-067.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.67) I have said for years it should be rotated. attract different crowds. support different communities. The same could be done for state pageants where they are geographically large. (NT) -- sponsors don't have to give a ton every year then, 14:20:16 10/05/24 Sat (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) My guess would be that she would have to pay to get her FL friends to travel to a pageant outside of the state. Last year, she had "day use" judges. This year she claims she already has the panels set. We will see. (NT) -- No name, 12:59:51 10/05/24 Sat (mail.basketballcity.com/38.96.160.130) I think your calculations need some major help. The Miss and Teen pageants are not held together so 52 x 20 = 1040. The Walt Disney Theater (same as last year) seats nearly 3k. I don't know anyone that didn't go last year that wanted to. (NT) -- No name, 17:17:47 10/05/24 Sat (mobile-166-199-149-132.mycingular.net/166.199.149.132) This is mostly false and has no context. Stop talking. About things you have no direct knowledge of. And yeah, take a math class while you’re at it. (NT) -- No name, 22:11:56 10/05/24 Sat (165.sub-174-224-194.myvzw.com/174.224.194.165) Wasn’t ROBIN’s 1st PROMISE when she took over was that she would never hold the pageant during the holidays (NT) -- No name, 13:26:02 10/06/24 Sun (syn-172-254-044-186.biz.spectrum.com/172.254.44.186) Here 2nd PROMISE was thet SHE had enough money to run the pageant for another 100 years. (NT) -- No name, 15:11:16 10/06/24 Sun (mail.basketballcity.com/38.96.160.130) the only night the venue was sold out was for the Miss Finals. I doubt there is any more interest this year than last for Miss America. There should be plenty of tickets available (NT) -- No name, 20:52:24 10/06/24 Sun (108-239-242-250.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net/108.239.242.250) I know many people who won’t go until Robin is gone (NT) -- No name, 08:23:39 10/07/24 Mon (NoHost/216.250.207.130) yeah right (NT) -- No name, 08:52:50 10/07/24 Mon (NoHost/128.163.239.213) There are much larger venues all over the coutnry. Until it sells out 3-4 years in a row every night, There is no reason to move it. Last year was the best Miss America Pageant in a long time. Were there lots of things to improve on? DEFINITELY. (NT) -- No name, 11:12:22 10/07/24 Mon (75-144-226-225-Tallahassee.hfc.comcastbusiness.net/75.144.226.225)

Subject: Orientation
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:58:47 10/03/24 Thu (ip-185-104-139-64.ptr.icomera.net/185.104.139.64) Contestant orientation is today. Will be interesting to see what is said to the titleholders. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Assuming they weren't all intimidated into signing NDA's beforehand. (NT) -- No name, 16:53:21 10/03/24 Thu (NoHost/172.59.227.172) lol what an assumption. They have not signed an nda (NT) -- No name, 18:18:11 10/03/24 Thu (c-71-224-85-159.hsd1.pa.comcast.net/71.224.85.159) the previous two CEOs required contestants to sign NDAs multiple times so it is nor unreasonable to suggest Robin would follow suit. (NT) -- No name, 01:32:51 10/07/24 Mon (NoHost/172.59.227.172) Are they meeting Glenn? (NT) -- No name, 18:56:18 10/03/24 Thu (NoHost/107.115.163.28) Why would they? It’s being run as status quo, meaning Robin is in charge til a judge says otherwise. (NT) -- No name, 20:17:47 10/03/24 Thu (c-71-224-85-159.hsd1.pa.comcast.net/71.224.85.159) Did Robin share with them that she is using money from their scholarship fund to pay her mounting legal bills? Did Robin announce more restrictive scholarship rules? (NT) -- No name, 12:37:54 10/04/24 Fri (NoHost/172.56.160.250) Orientation must have included a reminder to raise $3,000 on Spotfund ($1,000 AHA, $2,000 pageant.) Back with CMN, what happened when a state titleholder didn’t get the minimum?) (NT) -- No name, 09:20:52 10/06/24 Sun (ip68-99-30-158.om.om.cox.net/68.99.30.158) Well we all know where that 300K is going. (NT) -- No name, 12:17:38 10/06/24 Sun (NoHost/172.56.68.78)

Subject: Susan Akin interview
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:33:36 09/30/24 Mon (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) https://www.reckon.news/news/2024/09/missed-america-susan-akin-the-making-breaking-and-comeback-of-a-pageant-queen.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawFoOKVleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHTOw_6neyYu-r2LrNSGJzqnMUmEGbIidhF-lMwT8CKpIj5IRqHagPU_MBw_aem_jaFxYH579DwfHmdm-xE_Ag [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Wow. Thank you for posting this. I'm not much younger than her. A great interview. Sending her ((((((hugs)))))) (NT) -- No name, 03:07:00 10/01/24 Tue (NoHost/149.115.99.137) If she stepped back into MAO world, she would receive some much love and support. She has been missed. I think she could inspire folks on many levels. (NT) -- No name, 09:35:02 10/01/24 Tue (mobile-166-198-198-035.mycingular.net/166.198.198.35) She was very candid and very detailed in this interview leaving little to the imagination. I applaud her for telling her story and for her sobriety. (NT) -- No name, 09:57:25 10/01/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.68.78) Well, I guess that explains why she was MIA for so long. Such a sad but inspiring story. Regardless, of what happened later in life, she will always be considered one of the more beautiful Miss America' winners. However, with all she has endured it seems beauty was not her only strength (NT) -- No name, 14:49:57 10/01/24 Tue (syn-065-188-072-021.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.21) I was re-watching old episodes of Unsolved Mysteries and was thrown for a loop when I saw Susan on one (she was being interviewed for a segment involving the murder of her neighbor). I hadn't thought about her in a long time and it made me realize how removed she was from Miss America. It's heartbreaking to hear about her struggles but I am happy she seems to be doing well now, and am glad she told her story. I'm sure it wasn't easy. (NT) -- No name, 20:46:41 10/01/24 Tue (syn-067-253-154-035.res.spectrum.com/67.253.154.35) I hope that Susan has found peace and healing. Unlike other Miss Americas, she never had a career goal. Her whole life was winning Miss America, and it was an end in and of itself, and not a means to an end. (NT) -- No name, 22:22:15 10/02/24 Wed (NoHost/159.100.209.51) In addition to her developmentally disabled sister that died several years ago, Susan has lost both of her older brothers. Earl Akin Jr. died at 55 in 2016, and her brother Alan died last year at 59. He was 11 months older than Susan. So very sad. (NT) -- No name, 23:26:42 10/02/24 Wed (NoHost/172.56.82.62) It is also said that her other living sister is also suffering from addiction as well. So sad (NT) -- No name, 01:02:50 10/03/24 Thu (NoHost/172.56.68.78) Susan’s sister Janet died in 1980. (NT) -- No name, 22:07:58 10/03/24 Thu (ip68-12-25-18.ok.ok.cox.net/68.12.25.18) I read the interview-had NO idea Susan has such serious challenges -- No name, 17:24:26 10/03/24 Thu (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200)

Subject: No Path Forward
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:48:01 09/28/24 Sat (NoHost/107.115.163.68) Miss America is in perhaps the worst predicament it’s ever been in. If you stop and think about it, there really isn’t a path forward. If Robin is named the owner, she doesn’t have the money to fund the pageant. She was relying on Glenn’s money and no longer has it. By her own admission on the stand, she is using the “Miss America Scholarship Foundation” bank account to pay her legal fees. Her website for her Foundation boasts that there are “ZERO administrative fees.” This was why she didn’t want to work with the Miss America Foundation in the first place, because of the fees associated with running it. Now she is using the money on legal fees, which will be ASTRONOMICAL when this is all said and done. She still owes Bryan Cave 900K. I bet it ends up being a higher legal bill for this one. No one is going to give to support Miss America scholarships at this point. She’s totally sunk from a money perspective. Robin needed Glenn’s money for this to work. If Glenn gets ownership of the pageant, he will be able to pay off all the bills and fund Miss America for the next 100 years. However, Robin just filed a 104 page lawsuit against him detailing the horrible, horrible things he has done to women over the years. Glenn can’t run Miss America because of this. It’s overly egregious and every state that sends a girl to Miss America would be sending them into a dangerous situation. Glenn is a monster and a very dangerous man. Can you imagine what he could do if he had access to the contestants and winner? States would surely revolt and not send girls to Glenn’s Miss America. Parents wouldn’t allow their daughters to go. So essentially it is over. There might be some semblance of a pageant on January, but don’t count on it. If there is, it will be the last. There isn’t a way forward unless Dobin and Glenn agreed to sell it to someone legit. Thats not going to happen, so the whole thing will die throughout this monstrosity of a legal trial. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Boy aren’t you optimistic. You do know there are people out there with millions who would purchase Miss America and move it forward. Miss America is a traditional household name and there is no way it’s just going to “die”. Will it get in the hands of the RIGHT person? That we don’t know.. but there is a way out of the current mess if someone is willing to foot the bill and is actually smart enough to run it. Robin was not smart in getting involved with Glenn and Robin had no business purchasing the pageant in the first place relying on someone else’s money. Best case scenario right now if Glenn wins the case, gets MAO out of all the legal stuff/debts, and sells it off to the states. (NT) -- No name, 16:10:13 09/28/24 Sat (NoHost/172.56.68.78) We have to first get it out of Robin's hands. If the judge won't we have to reach out to the media, the sponsors and have all the contestants who are owed money speak out. Robin will hold on until the end. She doesn't care. She is backed into a corner. All directors should stop all contact with her immediately. (NT) -- No name, 16:45:56 09/28/24 Sat (mail.basketballcity.com/38.96.160.130) Volunteering for a for-profit business is ludicrous, especially one that is being run by people embroiled in financial and legal strife while mired in salacious gossip and rumors about their deceitful, unethical, discreditable business practices and personal conduct. By choosing to remain volunteers for such a corrupt system, they are complicit in the degradation of a program they claim to care for. (NT) -- No name, 19:20:27 09/30/24 Mon (NoHost/172.59.227.172) Miss America is no longer an iconic brand or a household name. The vast number of Americans think it folded years ago. I agree, this is truly the end. (NT) -- No name, 19:12:03 09/28/24 Sat (104-7-243-204.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net/104.7.243.204) Agree Miss America is really just a glorified Cinderella Pageant. It’s no longer in the mainstream. Only People that play pageant keep the pageant alive. RIP Miss America Pageant (NT) -- No name, 20:44:43 09/28/24 Sat (104-11-197-119.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/104.11.197.119) Here’s a thought … -- No name, 01:44:17 09/29/24 Sun (c-69-180-201-77.hsd1.tn.comcast.net/69.180.201.77) This is laughable!! Volunteer is NOT the new Miss America. It never will be. I don’t want to attend the Demarcus show they can keep that tacky mess in Jackson, TN. Allison is just another Robin to me. I can remember just how many Miss TN pageants she helped rig to get the blonde she wanted. No thanks. (NT) -- No name, 02:02:00 09/29/24 Sun (NoHost/172.56.68.78) I don’t know much about Alison but I would not compare her to Robin What pageants did she rig? How did she do it (NT) -- No name, 02:37:53 10/01/24 Tue (202.sub-174-193-130.myvzw.com/174.193.130.202) Just ask anyone from TN that is NOT within the volunteer cult (NT) -- No name, 08:08:42 10/01/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.68.78) I don’t live there and don’t know anyone from there except a YouTube person (NT) -- No name, 09:17:57 10/01/24 Tue (202.sub-174-193-130.myvzw.com/174.193.130.202) I find this quite funny. Having been involved here since 2017, every single year we think, “It can't get any worse,” and yet, somehow, it always does! My expectations for this program have sunk so low that nothing surprises me anymore. But the real kicker? The general public doesn’t even care. I mean, I can barely remember Madison's name half the time. If you want to talk about irreversible damage, the biggest issue isn't the internal problems we've been trying to "fix" for almost a decade—it's that NO ONE cares anymore! Seriously, go to your local grocery store and ask who Miss America or Miss USA is. They won’t know! At this point, it’s hard to see the purpose of this program anymore. (NT) -- No name, 17:19:45 09/30/24 Mon (NoHost/64.64.117.4) True but people do not know who their governor is or the President. There are few “iconic” brands remaining. (NT) -- No name, 09:29:27 10/01/24 Tue (mobile-166-198-198-035.mycingular.net/166.198.198.35) Well, Miss USA & Miss Universe thrived for many years under Donald Trump’s (tiny) hands‼️🤣🤣 (NT) -- No name, 19:29:42 10/02/24 Wed (pool-71-175-25-133.phlapa.fios.verizon.net/71.175.25.133)

Subject: Lee Ann Meriwether
Author: Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:58:14 09/29/24 Sun (syn-035-148-093-143.res.spectrum.com/35.148.93.143) For those who wish to see former Miss California 1954 and Miss America 1955, Lee Ann Meriwether, who turned 89 in May, featured in the 2006 film "The Ultimate Gift" where she plays Miss Hastings in first minutes of this video, see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gAIVYrQxRo http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482629/characters/nm0580886 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0580886/?ref_=tt_ch It is possible this week on GameShow Network, they will air an episode or two of Match Game, where she is a panel member, seated in the lower row of the six-member celebrity panel in 1977 or 1978 episodes. The two shows air between 1--2 pm Eastern time/Noon-1:00 pm Central time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Sadly Lee has Alzheimer’s disease and her daughter Kyle who maintained Lees website and social media pages died a few months ago. (NT) -- No name, 23:48:17 09/29/24 Sun (ip68-12-25-18.ok.ok.cox.net/68.12.25.18) I didn’t know Kyle had passed, that is so sad!! (NT) -- No name, 19:25:12 10/02/24 Wed (NoHost/104.28.123.181) Well when tuned to GameShow Network, turns out Lee Meriwether was not a guest panel member on Match Game----however, another former Miss America was-----Miss Mississippi 1958 and Miss America 1959, Mary Ann Mobley was---and it was two episodes this afternoon of Match Game 1974. I doubt Mary Ann will be on Tuesday's shows as it looks like famed -- singer and entertainer Ethel Merman will be on the panel shown tomorrow 1 pm EST/Noon CST., 14:58:35 09/30/24 Mon (syn-137-027-094-098.biz.spectrum.com/137.27.94.98) Are you sure Lee was never on Match Game? I seem to remember being on there we she was on Barnaby Jones. (NT) -- No name, 15:20:13 09/30/24 Mon (long01cpe14-37.tx.cablelynx.com/206.255.13.37) I remember Lee was on the $10,000 Pyramid and almost fainted when she helped the contestant win $10,000. (NT) -- No name, 15:50:19 09/30/24 Mon (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) Lee definitely was on Match Game. She was on the many times, bottom row, on Richard Dawson's right. (NT) -- No name, 18:22:07 09/30/24 Mon (NoHost/72.164.76.210) ....The original person who posted about Lee Ann said Lee Ann would likely be on Monday's airing of the March Game show, but turns out Monday had Mary Ann Mobley who was on Match Game 1974. This week they are showing Ethel Merman (seated on Richard Dawson's right). -- But Lee Ann and Mary Ann are the only two former Miss America winners on Match Game., 17:20:52 10/01/24 Tue (syn-071-013-135-158.biz.spectrum.com/71.13.135.158)

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