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Subject: You Have Got to be Kidding Author: No name [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 15:08:28 09/13/24 Fri Author Host/IP: NoHost/207.213.181.10 I have been pretty objective throughout the lawsuit fiasco and have withheld judgement until now. I had really hoped Robin was on the up and up and that she would prevail in the lawsuit. Not anymore. Here’s why. In the latest lawsuit that Robin filed against Glenn (103 pages by the way), Robin is now asserting that she did not take over the liability of the debt of the former MAO. In the lawsuit, it states. “While neither Fleming nor the Fleming Entities assumed the debts of MAO501C4, Fleming intended the Fleming Entities to resolve some obligations to preserve the reputation of Miss America and maintain necessary relationships.” Wow. Just wow. So you bought Miss America for $100 and that was it? You didn’t have to pay the 4.6 million dollars in debt? All that debt from the previous organization just goes away and you have no obligation to pay it? You are only going to pay some of it because you want to “preserve the reputation of Miss America and maintain necessary relationships”? I really have no words. Lack of integrity at its finest. I’ve come to the conclusion that the sale of Miss America to whoever bought it was fraudulent. MAO had no intention of paying their bills and neither did Robin, even though she signed a paper saying she would take care of all the debt. This just screams criminal to me at this point. This whole sale of Miss America now seems like it was done to magically make all the debt go away. Robin clearly thinks she is the owner and clearly thinks she was not responsible for the debt. Just when you think we can’t go any lower… [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date Isn't this what has always been said? Did you think this was new information? (NT) No name (NoHost/128.163.239.160) 15:25:29 09/13/24 Fri The purchase price for the Assets (the "Purchase Price") shall be cash equal to One Hundred and 00/100 U.S. Dollars ($100.00), and other good and valuable consideration, plus a Buyer reserve of Four Million One Hundred Sixty Thousand Seven Hundred Thirty-Six and 79/100 U.S. Dollars ($4,160,736.79), a sum that is equal to Seller's total outstanding debt due creditors ("Seller Debt") and further described in Exhibit B - Seller's Debts. Buyer acknowledges Seller has cash and accounts receivable which shall be added to the "Buyer's Reserve" and shall be used for operations, to settle debts, and any other undisclosed debt under Ten Thousand and 00/100 ($10,000.00). + appsgp.m... EXHIBIT (NT) -- No name, 15:53:28 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/207.213.181.10) Payment of the Purchase Price. The Purchase Price shall be paid by Buyer as follows: (i) One Hundred and 00/100 U.S. Dollars ($100.00) paid by Buyer to Seller at Closing; (11) A reserve for the Seller Debt listed on Exhibit "B," subject to Buyer's absolute and unconditional right to negotiate the amounts, legitimacy, legality and accuracy of the Seller Debt with each of Seller's creditors. If Buyer is successful through negotiation and/or litigation in reducing the Seller Debt, Buyer shall receive a dollar-for-dollar credit against the reserve for every dollar that Buyer is successful in reducing the Seller Debt. Any portion of the Seller Debt that remains due creditors after Buyer's negotiations and legal challenges to the Seller Debt shall be paid by Buyer directly to the appropriate creditors Litigation and collection expenses shall not offset the total funds available in the Buyer's reserve,. Buyer shall obtain a Release of all Claims from each creditor; (NT) -- No name, 15:57:45 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/207.213.181.10) Above is the actual language of what Robin signed to become the owner. That clearly says something very different than intending to resolve “some obligations” that would maintain the reputation of Miss America. What Robin is now claiming is absurd! (NT) -- No name, 16:03:06 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/207.213.181.10) Actually thelanguage is consistent with what she put in the pleading since she gets to determine the legitimacy, legality etc of any charted debts thereby rendering all charted debts to some obligations. English. (NT) -- No name, 09:33:02 09/14/24 Sat (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) The language is absolutely not consistent. She could have easily said in her lawsuit that she was paying debts that were legitimate and legal. That would make sense. However, she said she is paying the ones that impact the reputation and relationships of Miss America. That is HIGLY unethical. Please don’t gaslight me. (NT) -- No name, 17:44:50 09/14/24 Sat (NoHost/207.213.181.10) No need to be Miss Smarty Pants. The whole situation is bad for everyone (NT) -- No name, 02:17:06 09/14/24 Sat (48.sub-174-193-200.myvzw.com/174.193.200.48) As I have always said, Shantel "FABULOUS 100th" Crebs is an idiot in business who sold out Miss America. (NT) Justice takes years, but I want to see her pay for killing Miss America (NoHost/146.75.223.122) 15:58:44 09/13/24 Fri Any portion of the Seller Debt that remains due creditors after Buyer's negotiations and legal challenges to the Seller Debt shall be paid by Buyer directly to the appropriate creditors. BINGO. There’s your answer. (NT) No name (NoHost/38.172.112.247) 16:13:35 09/13/24 Fri Anyone who still supports Robin is a fool (NT) No name (NoHost/4.78.243.242) 16:53:23 09/13/24 Fri sounds like she made an excellent business deal. Funds pledged in order to negotiate with debtors and impact of last line you cite to be determined. Nothing unusual about this type of arrangement. You must not have every acquired a business or sold one. Funny that you have no outrage that these debts were incurred in the first place thru mismanagement by Gretchen and Regina, Shantel and Sam. The Bryan Cave bill is due to G&R's incompetence. The fact that MAF is not included is on Shantel. This is strictly business. The other 102 pages are shocking. If you stand by Glenn ask yourself if it his the racism, bigotry or misogyny or flat out corruption that attracts you. (NT) No name (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) 18:48:32 09/13/24 Fri I promise you I am not on Glenn’s side. Trust me, I know how disastrous the leadership has been since Gretchen took over in 2018. Huge outrage there. However, I am no longer on Robin’s side either. Her lawsuit clearly states she is only paying the debts of those who it benefits the reputation of Miss America. She has had the right to negotiate and get the costs down, but at the end of the day she is responsible to pay off all remaining debts. There is currently a debt of 900K to Bryan Cave. If she is truly the owner of Miss America, then she needs to pay it now. It’s way overdue. (NT) -- No name, 19:58:00 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/207.213.181.10) How much is owed to the contestants in scholarships from the 100th Anniversary year including the 100th Anniversary Miss America? Is that what she meant by paying only those debts that pertain to the reputation of Miss America? Causes there are a lot of contestants who have gotten screwed out of their scholarships. I would think to preserve MAO's reputation they should have been paid FIRST. (NT) A lot of contestant debt could have been paid with that missing $200,000. (ec2-54-215-221-185.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com/54.215.221.185) 01:05:39 09/14/24 Sat The scholarships are not part of the debt outlined in the purchase agreement. Perhaps they should have been but they are not listed nor included in the pledged amount. The MAF played the shell game to stay relevant and now the unfunded scholarships of the past are not on the ledger. MAF failed in their duties. Shantel and her BOD failed in their duties. Not Robin's problem.The Pledge situation allows Robin to negotiate and determine the legitimacy of each claimed debt and those she determines are legal she will pay on her timetable as you see there is no deadline for that to happen. Seems you think she has to pay asap but that is not the deal. VEry telling that out of those 100 pages this is what you focus on. I suggest you read the Kerri Will lawsuit based on Straubs' attempt to put her into a sex for money contract, got her fired when she refused. (NT) -- No name, 09:31:15 09/14/24 Sat (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) Very telling bringing up MAF. In order to pay MAO contestants any of their scholarships they (MAF) need to received said monies from Robin and that didnt happen after several requests. "But she had enought money to run Miss America fo 100 years but wasn't going pay Scholarship? That didnt happen. True owner owes the contestants. Before Laylah could purchase USA All debt had to be settled. Its the same . (NT) -- I wish Kerri well, but unless she is owed scholarship money from MAO , Her fight is not my fight., 10:50:56 09/14/24 Sat (ec2-54-193-198-179.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com/54.193.198.179) Business deals do not work that way. Sorry. What Laylah agreed to is irrelevant. The sales agreement between MAOShantel and Robin made zero mention of scholarships owed or funds owed by MAOShantel to MAF. Therefore not legally obligated to pay them either directly or as part of the charted debts to which the pledge applied. Sorry. That is the case. MAF should have demanded publicly that Shantel actually turn over the funds for the scholarship awards she announced. Shantel kept announcing them but no monies went to MAF and they went along with pretending they were awarding scholarships. The four corners of a contract control the offer, acceptance and consideration. NOWHERE are the scholarships noted in the agreement Robin and Shantel etc signed. That is a real shame I know but that is on the former MAO and MAF leadership. (NT) -- No name, 12:59:13 09/14/24 Sat (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) Thank you for your insight. As I see it, as a former donor, a National program book was published and sold to thousands that listed scholarship amounts to be awarded by MAO. Whomever owns that name is responsible for this debt. (NT) -- I don't see MAF as the bad guy. I know girls who got their checks from MAF, Not from MAO tho., 13:55:39 09/14/24 Sat (ec2-3-145-136-100.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/3.145.136.100) Shantel led MAO represented to the world in that program book that it was awarding scholarships thru MAF but they never gave MAF the money. Why? Did MAO expect MAF to fund raise? Why did MAF si on the sidelines and year after year go along with this misprepresntation. The Girls owed money should sue Shantell and the MAO board members. I think Delaware allows suits for a few years against dissolved corporations. MAF should also be suing Shantel and her gang. But debts do not pass automatically. Sorry that is just how it is. I too wish Shantel actually funded the scholarships she announced but it is not Robin's responsibility. (NT) -- No name, 14:13:15 09/14/24 Sat (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) Its not just the100th Anniversary year, its also Grace's year which is definitely under Robin's watch. I sincerely want to hear from the girls that year as well. Did Anyone get paid? Did Grace get paid? Someone needs to advocate for these young women. They should sue Shantel and their states programs (NT) -- Its false advertising when girls dont collect their $. I know I will never refer another young lady., 22:53:59 09/14/24 Sat (ec2-54-183-182-72.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com/54.183.182.72) Robin did not own the pageant when Grace was crowned did she? If not how are those scholarship debts hers? (NT) -- No name, 10:14:05 09/16/24 Mon (c-73-74-207-142.hsd1.il.comcast.net/73.74.207.142) Yes, that was her first Miss America, who was given a place to stay in Glenn's pool house as part of here prize package. (NT) -- But I would hate to think there are 2 classes of contestants who didn't get paid., 22:24:01 09/16/24 Mon (ec2-13-57-188-29.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com/13.57.188.29) Do the state directors in MAO are hog-tied due to an NDA-my state pageant hasn't responded to any of my questions and my former home state local only can be contacted thru FB which I don't have (NT) No name (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) 02:35:42 09/14/24 Sat STOP WITH THE DRAMA. This happens all the time. Companies are on the verge of bankruptcy and can't find a buyer, so they sell off whatever assets or intellectual property they may have so that the creditors get something, rather than nothing. What Robin did is not unethical and happens all the time in the business world and with companies in financial distress, as MAO was at the time. When it comes to the lawsuit between Robin and Glenn, there are different facts and circumstances that will dictate the outcome. But to say that what Robin did in buying MAO was unethical, PLEASE! Stop, the dramatic posts! (NT) No name (c-98-220-13-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net/98.220.13.180) 20:11:11 09/14/24 Sat It's ROBIN that started the drama!! (NT) -- No name, 00:09:39 09/15/24 Sun (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) Then complain to Robin (NT) -- No name, 17:04:43 09/15/24 Sun (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) THANK YOU!! Get a life and stop letting your lack of business aquisitions and mergers show. So much drama and clutching of pearls for something they CLEARLY don't understand. Let the courts do their job and SHUUUUT UUUPP...it's so old. (NT) -- No name, 16:43:42 09/16/24 Mon (149.sub-174-224-202.myvzw.com/174.224.202.149) Miss America should have been sold to someone who could pay off all debt as part of the sale. The scholarship funds could have been held apart from the sale. Anyone with a few million to spare could have negotiated a buyout. Why was it sold for $100? Disney, Bachelor franchise, anyone with a conscience cold have bid if they knew it was for sale. (NT) stupidity (99-152-119-100.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net/99.152.119.100) 00:30:52 09/16/24 Mon I aam sure there was a deal behind this deal that benefitted Shantel. She got something out of this for swinging the pendulum Robin's way. (NT) -- There is a reason it didnt get bid out to Disney or other more reputable companies., 00:54:36 09/16/24 Mon (ec2-54-224-91-93.compute-1.amazonaws.com/54.224.91.93) There was discussion at the December 2022 stete ED meeting that Shantel refused to come to where the states were asking about the possibility of allowing the states to take over. There are some really well run states and some really smart people involved across the country. That discussion was never taken seriously by Ryan (since Shantel was too chicken to even be in the room) and I would bet money that he never took that request any further up the food chain. They already knew what they were up to and they didn't want anything getting in the way of that. This deal wasn't for the program and the girls - this was for their personal benefit - get Shantel paid back and make this someone else's problem as quickly as possible. (NT) -- No name, 12:00:29 09/16/24 Mon (NoHost/139.71.144.5) Robin swindled them by dangling her connection to Straub over them during the deal. There were even talks about getting it back in AC because of Straub’s business deals there. So Straub is the only reason it went to Robin and not the Dallas people. How ironic is it that now she’s fighting that fact. Robin rushed this deal, Shantel just wanted to get rid of it as fast as she could because everyone hated her, and that’s why we’re here. Robin even talked crap about Shantel during the dealings with Straub saying “We don’t need to give Shantel anymore time to screw things up”. Which this quote is in the court documents straight from her email to Straub. (NT) -- Y, 22:54:22 09/16/24 Mon (NoHost/172.56.68.78) When is the next court day? (NT) No name (NoHost/2.57.169.57) 01:34:15 09/17/24 Tue Thursday, September 26th I'm sure the zoom details will be posted on voy prior to the 26th (NT) -- No name, 16:19:26 09/17/24 Tue (NoHost/139.71.144.2)