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| Subject: Miss New York Volunteer is Jordan Smith & Miss Massachusetts Volunteer is Lindsey Morris…both appointed | |
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] Date Posted: Tue February 08, 2022 15:42:07 In reply to: 's message, "Miss Volunteer America Contestants (1/25/22)" on Tue January 25, 2022 11:53:26 [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Wasn’t she disqualified from Miss NY for cheating ? | |
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Date Posted: Thu February 10, 2022 00:27:48 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Date Posted: Thu February 10, 2022 20:21:50 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Yea she was ! | |
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Date Posted: Thu February 10, 2022 20:23:32 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: She was disqualified, but it wasn't for cheating. She took a piece of her competition wardrobe from the dressing room to the hotel to clean it without getting approval. Once checked in, you're not supposed to do that. She didn't realize that, but it is her job to know the rules, which were enforced. The competition had already started. It was an awful situation and a painful lesson for her to learn, I'm sure. But let's not overstate what happened here. It was an honest mistake and the pageant acted with integrity to hold her accountable to the rules. It should be put to rest. It's not that serious. | |
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Date Posted: Sun February 13, 2022 18:52:17 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Breaking the rules is the same as cheating . She knew what she was doing and got caught | |
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Date Posted: Sun February 13, 2022 21:12:25 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Getting DQ’d in the state pageant is no little thing . I wonder how she pulled off getting appointed . I’m sure Allison wasn’t aware of it | |
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Date Posted: Sun February 13, 2022 21:23:58 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Or, maybe Allison is aware of it, but cares about the girls and doesn't think getting a dress cleaned, while against the rules, isn't worth canceling her over. I'm thrilled that she is getting another chance and that she chose the Volunteer program. | |
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Date Posted: Mon February 14, 2022 14:30:00 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: It is no little thing. It was a devastating consequence for the young woman. I think we as a society also need to consider the fact that there was no malicious intent behind the act. Rules are rules and Jordan was help accountable - but she also doesn't deserve to be canceled. Monique Evans was disqualified for having outside hair and makeup people at the state pageant - that is more akin to cheating. She was rightfully removed, came back, competed fairly (and wonderfully), won Miss Texas and had a great showing at Miss America. It is a story of redemption and forgiveness and not being canceled and I think Jordan deserves the same. We all do because none of us can pass a purity test. I'm rooting for her and think she can do very well! | |
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Date Posted: Mon February 14, 2022 14:41:34 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: If she was do innocent why didn’t she go back to MAO ? Because she was welcome back into that organization. She has a history of bad behavior . Ask the Oklahoma people about her | |
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Date Posted: Mon February 14, 2022 20:30:03 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: People like you come to mind. Look, like the poster above said, she was not blameless. She made a mistake and was held accountable for it. The "history of bad behavior" sounds like a bunch of micro aggressive nonsense. She was never disqualified from any pageant in Oklahoma that I recall...in fact, she competed quite successfully as I recall, made top 5 or top 10 every year. The whole "bad behavior" trope is a purity standard applied to strong women and even more so to strong women of color who are expected to stay in their lane, toe the company line, be "manageable", and don't make too much noise. That we would ask ANY modern young woman to act like a 1950's sitcom housewife is why pageants have become a joke to people outside our circle. I have faith that Allison has a much different vision for Volunteer America and I think each of the inaugural state titleholders reflect the evolution of pageantry...and that certainly includes Jordan. | |
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Date Posted: Tue February 15, 2022 09:23:52 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I was waiting for you to start with the racist implications. This has nothing to do with her race . She’s trouble just ask the OK girls | |
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Date Posted: Tue February 15, 2022 12:12:02 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: You were waiting for that? Sounds like you’ve been called out before. But as someone who clearly comes from the Oklahoma pageant system, it doesn’t surprise me one bit. The state isn’t known for being kind to Black titleholders, all of whom seem to get reputations for being “difficult to work with”. I think the problem is likely that o conscious and unconscious bias that is pervasive in a state that is best known for the mass genocide of native Americans. So, I’ll just file that in “commentary from a pageant dinosaur” file, roll my eyes and give you an earnest “Bless your heart.” 😘 | |
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Date Posted: Wed February 16, 2022 19:49:20 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Thank you for your very measured, respectful, and imo, wise, posts. Great explanation of the situation and its implications. When someone makes a low effort, throw away post- especially an accusation with no receipts (she's trouble), I love to see posts that give context and educate, and you did it so graciously. Well done! | |
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Author: people like you make the board better [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: Wed February 16, 2022 21:08:49 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: If you want to use the race card every time someone disagrees with you go back to MAO . Volunteer will not but up with all this BS wokeness . The best girl will win regardless of her race , creed or religion. Enough is enough . | |
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Date Posted: Thu February 17, 2022 18:17:08 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I think it’s hilarious when people use woke as if it’s a dirty word. I guess the alternative is to be asleep? Anyway, I don’t see anyone using a race card here. Someone pointed out a pretty well-known fact that women are subject to outdated tropes when it comes to being manageable and that standard is even greater for women of color. So unless you have the receipts to back up any claims on how egregious Jordan behaved in Oklahoma, have a seat, otherwise you just kind of sound like a jackass. Nobody said rays played a role in what happened to Jordan in New York… But when someone from Oklahoma comes on this board and starts coming for the girl… Well, Oklahoma has its reputation and it’s well deserved. I think the volunteer system is going to welcome Jordan, Michela and any other black delegate with open arms and I think they both are going to do quite well… Which is probably why you’re so pressed. | |
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Date Posted: Fri February 18, 2022 18:31:06 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Breaking the rules is not always the same thing as cheating. There are grey areas. For example (because it's the winter Olympics and I'm obsessed), in short-track speed skating, if a skater slips and bumps into another skater, knocking them off their line, the slipping skater is disqualified, even though the slip was unintentional and gave them no competitive advantage. In the case of Jordan, cleaning a competition garment is allowed - things get dirty during prelims and in the dressing room. But, candidates have to get approval to take wardrobe pieces out of the dressing room after they've been checked in - or they have to work with the hostesses to address the issue. | |
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Date Posted: Tue February 15, 2022 10:18:33 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: From the sounds of things, Jordan just made an assumption that she could clean her garment - because cleaning was allowed. The problem was she didn't remember the rule and she didn't consider that the reason garments can't be removed is because candidates are not allowed to materially alter their wardrobe between prelims and finals - that could result in competitive advantage. This was not Jordan's intention, but the optics of the situation in light of the rules were pretty cut and dry. Super sad situation, but she certainly shouldn't be canceled for it. I can't wait to see her compete. | |
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Date Posted: Tue February 15, 2022 10:21:05 [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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