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Date Posted: 03:55:17 10/09/04 Sat
Author: Chris
Subject: Re: UBF Doctrine
In reply to: Brian Karcher 's message, "Re: UBF Doctrine" on 13:35:41 10/08/04 Fri

Finally, some reasonable posts! I do not have time at the moment to respond, but I will find time later.

Just to clarify: Doctrinal issues have been discussed in a reasonable way on the Internet since the reform movement of 2000, and most of these things have been already posted many times. These things have been also discussed in many articles outside from the forum. But we have never got a reasonable answer from UBF members.

However, I admit that there is a lack of summary articles on what's wrong with UBF doctrines and practices. We are working on this issue. In the meantime, all of the articles about the so called shepherding/discipling movement can be used, they all apply to UBF as well.

Anyway, I appreciate that the discussion comes back to these core issues again.

The problem with UBF doctrine is of course that UBF doctrine is taught via cult mind control, orally and "between the lines." UBF avoids carefully to write down their real doctrines, like about arranged marriage. They are instilled in you step by step over years, and often you don't even notice it. Therefore it's hard to "grasp" UBF doctrine, and to give evidence. People like you, Brian, exploit this difficulty to simply deny that these doctrines exist. I remember you even denied that UBF practices arranged marriage. Hope you will really start to think what's wrong with UBF doctrine instead trying to find twists and wrenches to defeat and deny and justify.

Brian, I promised to go into every UBF apologetic statement on your web site and show you what's wrong. Unfortunately, my job kept me very busy so far (I am not payed from offering money, and have no money put aside because I gave everything to UBF in the past - so I have to work hard today for my living). Please don't conclude that I have no answers. I have much to say, but I must also say that I lost interest in keeping touch with you after you decided to host the absurd JC30 sniper ad hominem attacks on me and others, attacks from somebody who is not man enough to stand to his opinions and contact me directly. I simply could not find a honest desire to search for the truth in this issue from your side, but I could only see the organisation man in you who wants to cover up for and defend his organisation and never change his opinion. I hope the "real" Brian Karcher and desire for the truth is still alive somewhere deep inside you.

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