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Date Posted: 22:42:37 10/09/04 Sat
Author: UBFree
Subject: Another question for Brian
In reply to: Chris 's message, "Re: UBF Doctrine" on 03:55:17 10/09/04 Sat

I have another question for Brian Karcher. This question deals with point 3 of Tom's original post in this thread.

Brian,

My "Shepherd", missionary John Kwon of the LA ubf once said to me. "Obey me like you Obey God." Do you believe that this is a biblical command?


>Finally, some reasonable posts! I do not have time
>at the moment to respond, but I will find time
>later.
>
>Just to clarify: Doctrinal issues have been discussed
>in a reasonable way on the Internet since the reform
>movement of 2000, and most of these things have been
>already posted many times. These things have been also
>discussed in many articles outside from the forum. But
>we have never got a reasonable answer from UBF members.
>
>However, I admit that there is a lack of summary
>articles on what's wrong with UBF doctrines and
>practices. We are working on this issue. In the
>meantime, all of the articles about the so called
>shepherding/discipling movement can be used, they all
>apply to UBF as well.
>
>Anyway, I appreciate that the discussion comes back to
>these core issues again.
>
>The problem with UBF doctrine is of course that UBF
>doctrine is taught via cult mind control, orally and
>"between the lines." UBF avoids carefully to write
>down their real doctrines, like about arranged
>marriage. They are instilled in you step by step over
>years, and often you don't even notice it. Therefore
>it's hard to "grasp" UBF doctrine, and to give
>evidence. People like you, Brian, exploit this
>difficulty to simply deny that these doctrines exist.
>I remember you even denied that UBF practices arranged
>marriage. Hope you will really start to think what's
>wrong with UBF doctrine instead trying to find twists
>and wrenches to defeat and deny and justify.
>
>Brian, I promised to go into every UBF apologetic
>statement on your web site and show you what's wrong.
>Unfortunately, my job kept me very busy so far (I am
>not payed from offering money, and have no money put
>aside because I gave everything to UBF in the past -
>so I have to work hard today for my living). Please
>don't conclude that I have no answers. I have much to
>say, but I must also say that I lost interest in
>keeping touch with you after you decided to host the
>absurd JC30 sniper ad hominem attacks on me and
>others, attacks from somebody who is not man enough to
>stand to his opinions and contact me directly. I
>simply could not find a honest desire to search for
>the truth in this issue from your side, but I could
>only see the organisation man in you who wants to
>cover up for and defend his organisation and never
>change his opinion. I hope the "real" Brian Karcher
>and desire for the truth is still alive somewhere deep
>inside you.

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