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Date Posted: 12:54:28 06/05/04 Sat
Author: hchoops
Subject: lehigh's recruits
the pl site lists 3 recruits-one, a transfer-3rd school,sounds impressive-knight was the rookie of the year in the big south at high point 3 years ago,scoring 40 against vandy---the other 2 seem to also have good credentials,one starring at the va. power bishop o'connell--lehigh could again be the team to beat
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Re: lehigh's recruits - hchoops -- Rick, 16:59:29 06/05/04 Sat
hoops -
How would you rate/rank these kids versus the two signed by HC ?
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Re: lehigh's recruits - hchoops -- hchoops, 18:10:42 06/05/04 Sat
especially considering that knight is a proven college player,lehigh's recruits are ahead of ours-also they have 3 players to our 2 -as of now
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Re: lehigh's recruits -- tonyt, 09:01:05 06/06/04 Sun
It's my impression that advocates of the PL support HC inclusion in the league based on the academic "purity" of its participants. It appears to me that Taylor has been given free reign to bring anyone into Lehigh. Last year a senior transfer, this year a juco player. The same thing goes on at American. What's the difference between this and what goes on in the MAAC or A-10? At least competing in either of those leagues would provide solid competition against more traditional rivals. Not to mention the fact that it would open recruiting possibilities with kids who are academically and athletically sound but won't even think about playing in the PL. I agree with a number of prior comments that Reagan has been a huge disappointment and has done little or nothing for the athletic programsa at HC. Its time someone on the hill wakes up and realizes that b-ball mens & womens is the one sport that can be upgraded and become a revenue source for the college.
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Re: lehigh's recruits -- regan hired willard, gilmore, 10:38:05 06/06/04 Sun
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Re: Enrolling Top Student-Athletes -- NTKHC64, 11:23:19 06/06/04 Sun
"Reagan has been a huge disappointment and has done little or nothing for the athletic programsa at HC"
Well, first of all it would be nice if you could spell the man's name correctly. Now, what do you perceive to be the responsibilities of HC's athletic director? Whatever you reply, I hope it doesn't include having significant roles in recruiting or in seeing to it that particular players are admitted. Look to the office on Mahogany Row catty-corner to that of the President and to the coaches/assistants for those elements. Hiring coaches? Certainly. As the prior post indicates, under Regan's watch, Willard and Gilmore were brought on board. He brought back Paul Pearl after he left for prep school and has kept Elvis Comrie. Field Hockey took the PL chamionship in 2001 and lost the title game the last two years. There are many reasons why the talent isn't better overall ( possibly marketability to athletes, for example)but to blame at the feet of the athletic director just isn't right. Far too many of the factors involved in fielding consistently successful teams are out of his control.
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Re: Regan -- NTKHC64, 13:00:17 06/06/04 Sun
Regan's first four years have been eventful and productive ones. During this period women's basketball has advanced to the NCAA tournament by winning the Patriot League championship three times. In 2001, after an eight year absence, the men's basketball team returned to the NCAA tournament, a feat it repeated in 2002. The 2001 season marked the first time in the Patriot League's ten year history that one institution won both the men's and women's basketball championship. Field hockey has continued to prosper by winning the League championship in 1998 and 2000, and finished in first place in 2001 before being upset in the League tournament. Women's soccer advanced to the NCAA tournament in 2000 and the men's soccer team finished in first place in 2001, losing in the championship game on penalty kicks after four overtime periods. In an effort to further increase the number of Crusader teams coached by full-time staff members, Regan announced the appointment of a full-time coaching positions in track, volleyball, women's lacrosse and softball. Gender equity has been a major focus of Regan's administration and he introduced the College's first two new varsity sport in more than 15 years - - women's ice hockey and women's golf.
In addition to his duties on campus, Regan has become involved in college athletic policy on a national scale. In the fall of 1999 he was appointed to a four-year term as a I-AA representative on the NCAA Division I Management Council. The Management Council, comprised of 49 athletic administrators and faculty athletic representatives from around the nation, reports directly to the NCAA's Division I Board of Directors. The Council is responsible for adopting operating bylaws and rules to govern Division I, interpreting Division I bylaws, reviewing recommendations from the Division I conferences and universities, and developing and implementing the Division I budget.
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Re: Enrolling Top Student-Athletes -- HCFAN, 08:12:09 06/07/04 Mon
Stop praising Regan, you must be a relative, he is a zero as Athletic Director.
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Re: HC FAN -- NTKHC64, 08:20:22 06/07/04 Mon
You are entitled to your opinion and I to mine. Whatever you do, don't tell me to stop!
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Re: lehigh's recruits - hchoops -- Rick, 09:05:37 06/07/04 Mon
hoops -
Thanks for your comparisons.
tony -
" It appears to me that Taylor has been given free reign to bring anyone into Lehigh. Last year a senior transfer, this year a juco player. The same thing goes on at American. What's the difference between this and what goes on in the MAAC or A-10? "
I don't know if Lehigh has significantly altered it's admissions floor to include 'anyone'. There's nothing inherently wrong with transfers or kids coming from JC's. As with HS recruits, it's the quality of the kid - and not just in academics - that should be the general criteria in admitting any student-athlete.
That being said, I'm getting an early feeling that HC/Willard are beginning to fall behind or come back to the rest of the Patriot League in men's basketball. Despite winning the PL and the NCAA appearances, I'm a little surprised our recruiting efforts over the past 2 years haven't yielded more talented kids. The edge that we had with full athletic schollies is now fading as others go the same route. Coupled with the now well known advantages that all other PL members enjoy in larger recruiting budgets and established booster clubs, the picture isn't as rosy as it was 3-4 seasons ago.
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Re: lehigh's recruits - hchoops -- Curious, 22:10:22 06/07/04 Mon
I'm not really sure what you're looking for in terms of recruits. They brought in a point guard who is highly regarded and a 6'10'' kid with a lot of upside, which is a very rare commodity. They've done very well with kids like Simmons and Hamilton, both of whom had multiple mid-major offers. Simmons, in particular, was the target of a bunch of schools. All in all, the staff seems to be doing a pretty good job. Some of these kids are clearly not your run-of-the-mill Patriot recruit.
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Re: lehigh's recruits - hchoops -- Non Alum Dave, 21:27:33 06/08/04 Tue
I would tend to agree with Curious that the recent HC recruits are of high quality. In fact, I really think the backcourt is going to be dynamite next year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Simmons really break out.
What seems to have happened, though, is HC has relinquished its hold on frontcourt dominance. The quality of play last year of the 4-5 positions for the Cross was not up to the standards set by the Sankes/Whearty/Szatko crew, lets face it. And, at the same time, the other schools made inroads in their recruiting of inside guys.
This concerns me for next year. To me, at this point in time I look at 3 players as being key: Nate Lufkin, John Hurley and Kevin Hyland. They are the only upperclassmen frontcourt players returning, and whether its individually or as a group, improvement is needed. We talked a lot about the lack of post up offense last year, but frankly, the post defense was soft by HC standards too. And things won't be any easier for them next year.
Hopefully the boys are hitting those weights, and in the case of Hurley and Lufkin, hopefully someone can help them take advantage of their quick feet and teach them the ole Kevin McHale up and under move...
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Re: recruits, talent - Curious -- Rick, 10:50:45 06/10/04 Thu
I hope I'm wrong....
But I'm looking at our returnees plus the 5'10" 155lb. Doherty and a 6'10" 260lb. kid who appears to be a 'project' and I think of our very recent grads like Sankes, Serraville, Wilson, Jerz, Whearty, Szatsko and Meade and this 'early' look of mine tells me there's been a fall-off in talent.
And I'd add that Lufkin has not improved - some might say he's regressed - since his very productive frosh season.
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Re: recruits, talent - NCAA days are gone -- HC - middle of the PL pack at best, 11:08:39 06/10/04 Thu
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Re: recruits, talent - Curious -- Curious, 21:52:45 06/10/04 Thu
The fact that he's 5'10'' 155 lbs is not important. What is important is that he performed very well last summer and caught the interest of a number of programs. You can't judge a recruit's worth based on his height and weight, but his game.
If Clifford were polished at 6'10'' 260 lbs, he'd being going to the Big East. Kids with that kind of size and reasonable skills are few and far between. Again, another kid who played well last summer and is well-regarded. He'll be a good kid to work with in the PL.
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To: Curious -- Rick, 13:56:46 06/11/04 Fri
Again, I hope I'm wrong....
I think you may have missed my main point.
Given our 3-straight PL titles and 3-straight NCAA trips where we aquitted ourselves well versus national powers in Kentucky, Kansas and Marquette and add in the victory over BC at the Centrum and even our showing on the road versus Louisville - all that in sum over the past 3-4 years - has the talent level of our recruits improved markedly ? Have we taken advantage of our success and the positive publicity ? What youngster have we landed that we wouldn't have had we not had that success and positive publicity ?
Specifically, are the recruits we've signed the past 2 years - including these 2 above - better than, equal to or less talented that what we have recently had in Sankes ( transfer from Rutgers ), Serravelle, Whearty, Szatsko, Wilson, Jerz and Meade ?
AIR ( someone please correct me if I'm wrong ), when Clifford's name first surfaced I did a search on Insiders of their Top 100 'big men' rankings nationally as well as for the Top 25 in the northeast. Clifford wasn't listed. Forget the Big East....do we know if any A-10 or MAAC schools made bonafide scholarship offers to him ? I don't recall where Doherty was ranked in the northeast or what schools above the Ivy/Patriot level made confirmed scholarship offers to him.
To be blunt, who did we beat out/steal these 2 kids from in the recruiting process as indicative of making 'hay' off our success/positive press ?
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Re: To: Curious -- lou, 22:07:33 06/13/04 Sun
Is it possible that a 6'10" high school basketball player whose team won the Mass State championship, and who is an excellent student just may be interested in accepting a scholarship to play at Holy Cross for Coach Willard, and nowhere else?
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Re: lehigh's recruits...High Point University -- HC1843, 09:41:20 06/07/04 Mon
I am not cutting on the kid b/c I don't know him nor do I know his academic abilities, but being down South and two cities over from High Point, I can tell you w/confidence that High Point University is clearly well under Lehigh's standards. The secondary assumption is hard to draw w/o knowing more about this kid's scores in the classroom. Also, let's remember that HC took a smart kid from a JUCO two years ago who happened to be a capable student.
It does appear though that Lehigh is stretching a la their football experience. This being said, the kid still has to make it in the classroom and time will tell on this one.
I too share Rick's concerns about our recruiting but that has more to do with lack of knowledge about the players that are coming in. That being said, Willard does not just offer schollies to anyone and look at how Greg Kinsey has turned out for the Cross.
I am anxious to see how Tim Clifford performs and want to find out more about Doherty...he is my big question mark.
Cheers.
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Re: Nomar -- NTKHC64, 14:29:17 06/07/04 Mon
"There are many things he could do to improve sports at HC, it appears he is satisfied with the status quo and just coasts along without making any waves."
Let us know what the "many things" are. Then we can see if we agree and perhaps get behind what you suggest.
Oh yes,and was relieving Dan Allen of his duties an example of being "satisfied with the status quo" or a call that saved the football program from being in an absolutely impossible situation had there been no action in the face of Coach Allen's tragic disability?
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Re: lehigh's recruits -- nomar schmomar, 09:48:17 06/07/04 Mon
In my humble opinion,Regan was nothing but a pencil pusher before he was hired and had NO experience as an athletic director at all. He does not know the ins and outs of any athletic teams and has done little if anything to improve any teams on the hill. Hiring a womens golf coach or retaining the rowing coach is not something I would consider a great accomplishment. There are many things he could do to improve sports at HC, it appears he is satisfied with the status quo and just coasts along without making any waves.
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Re: lehigh's recruits -- bingo, 09:51:54 06/07/04 Mon
Right on Mr. Nomar,you have hit the nail on the head. Time for Regan to go and an AD with spunk to be hired.
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Re: lehigh's recruits -- RecentGrad, 15:59:46 06/11/04 Fri
I agree with the last two posts, Regan needs to be replaced. HC athletic teams aren't even close to their potential in most sports. While of course there are a number of factors involved, IT IS THE AD's JOB to fix this problem. The Regan defenders out there can't possibly say he is doing all he can - or all someone else would do.
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Re: lehigh's recruits -- lehigh sucks, 01:28:31 06/13/04 Sun
its lehigh - who cares?
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