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Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: Kitten Paw [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 11:49: am In reply to: Shelly 's message, "Teen withholds her stools" on Friday, December 13, 2024, 10:59: am I am just so sick. I didn't get any sleep last night. My temperature stays at 103. I had a second cool enema in the middle of the night and dad was sleeping so mom didn't put another diaper on me. But she gave me another herbal enema this morning and had a diaper back on me when he got up. I didn't get corner time or spanking because I was just so sick but he said I can be a 3 year old all weekend if that's what I want. In diapers all weekend. Taped so I can't take them off to go pee. Mom's enemas make me pee a lot. It just soaks them . I just want to get some sleep so bad. I don't care about his damn diaper punishment. I'm just so sick I don't care about anything. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 12:51: pm Just talked to sitter a little bit ago on the phone. I asked about if she was excited about getting to go clothes shopping today. She said she is so excited! Mom says she can get her hair cut and styled too today and she is so happy. I love the tone in her voice when she is happy. I said so for tomorrow see if you can get a bowel movement in the morning. Sit for at least five minutes take a fifteen minute break and then go sit for another 5 minutes and try to go. This is really important to your healing. Eat a light lunch and come over at 1. We have a busy day ahead. Our youngest is starting on weekly enemas tomorrow so we have two of them that need an enema and I'm going to be up front with you. I'm putting you on a weekly enemas til clear starting with the soapy enema so we need the whole afternoon to get through that. I'll be gentle and we will take things slow and take breaks if you need. Have a cup of hot tea or I can give you a back massage. Sort of make a spa day out of it. Okay? I got a quiet but quick "yeah". And we said good bye and that was that. I'm so excited. Yes because I fantasized about getting to give her enemas. I admit that. But she needs these enemas. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 01:12: pm Shelly, I think she is nervous. I hope J1 and J2 don’t get sick again so her experience this time can be private and personal. She needs to have a good experience to feel comfortable. I am so excited for you Shelly. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: Joyce [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 03:19: pm Shelly, Sorry to hear about your 4 year old. Sounds like he got it from his brother. From what sitter's mom has said you have lifted a great burden from both sitter and her mom's shoulders. You should be proud of yourself for having the courage to intervene so skillfully in a very difficult situation. When sitter comes tomorrow you should praise her for her cooperation Wednesday and pleased how well she handled Junior's needing the toilet to barf. Tell her she was so mature in cooperating and remaining calm and adapting to that and allowing you to continue her enema. That was awesome! If you choose, for her cooperation you will let her choose a position other than across your lap for her enemas like you had her do while Junior barfed into the toilet, or some other position that you approve. From what you said it appears that her two enemas Wednesday probably didn't get all the way up into her colon. So today the enemas may need be slightly larger to make sure they reach all of her colon. You promise to be gentle and pause if they cause pain. You want this cleansing to be effective, not painful. Ask her before you start to remove all her clothes (particularly if she is wearing her new clothes that her mom bought for her Saturday) so that they won't get soiled if she has an "accident". If she cooperates, tell her that with your supervision you will let her give Junior his weekly enema. Hope all goes well. My love to you, sitter, and her mom. - Joyce [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 05:49: pm Joyce, As always your encouragement and advice is so helpful. The thing is from my experience with how different and delayed the experience is with my using the deep enema nozzle effects the full sensations in my rectum I want to get the nozzle completely past her rectum and started into her sigmoid. That's why you urged me to get it. To do that I really need her over my left leg. I think that is the only position we can use where I can feel the slightest resistance when we hit the rectal wall and then be able to turn it back and forth while I feel when I'm past that resistance. Also I'm not going make her show me her returns of the enemas until the third one which should be mostly clear. But I do want to gather records of how big the poop is in her rectum when she comes to me that she is unable to pass. Information that may be very helpful for the clinic she will be going to. I'm going to tell her I'm not going to make her show that to me either but because I need to know how full her rectum is then I'm going to do a rectal exam while I'm inserting the suppository. Krissi taught us that you glove up and insert the suppository as deep as you can reach along the rectal wall and along side the stool. With the size of enemas she needs and wanting to use gravity to our advantage if we can I really want her in the knee chest position. They say that for patients who are able to get in that position and stay there it really is the only position to use for really high enemas. She is barely five foot one. I'm going to put one of our seat cushions from an old couch that is long gone on the floor and she will be able to fold her arms under her shoulders and rest head shoulders on the cushion just like the knee chest position. I just really like having access right there at her bottom in case she leaks a little. If we need to get her on the toilet quick we are right there at the toilet. I can stand as she stands lift the toilet lid and seat in one motion and have her sitting in about 3 seconds. If I was still using just a short enema nozzle I might consider giving her some choices but she will have to already be over my leg for suppositories and to get the nozzle in her so she will just have to emotionally adjust to the idea that that is the way I do enemas. That's the way she sees me give Junior his enemas so she won't feel I'm singling her out for special treatment. Plus I hated when step mom made me turn on to my right side where I could see her looking me and I could see my enema bag. That is when the cramping and feeling you are so full and having to hold it in is so strong and I just didn't like that other stimulus to have coming at me. I don't want her focusing on much more enema is in the bag. I want her to focus on trying to relax and open mouth breathing. I'll let her know how she is doing with her enema. Yeah I had already planned on telling her I need her to get fully undressed for me. I have a night shirt that will look like a dress on her. That will be her enema shirt. Just a plain white night shirt. If she wants to take a break between enemas it will practically reach the floor so she can come out with me in the living room and she will be totally covered. So I went to Target and got Cerave baby wash and shampoo. Going to do a very soapy enema myself tonight to see how awful a soapy enema is. I never took a soapy enema because the idea just scared me so much. Soap in your eyes really hurts. No way I wanted soap in my enemas. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 06:34: pm Joyce, How do you feel about the need to see what she produces? I know that was very important to the nurses. But I also know from my own experience growing up and what Kitten Paw says that it is something that really is humiliating to the child. I'm trying to weigh what possible knowledge I will gain about what is going on in her colon with how degrading it is for her to show me her poop. My most important goal is to empty her entire colon and if I make her let me see what the third enema which is going to be two quarts brings out if she is able to take it all and hold it for like ten minutes then I'll know if she is cleaned out. You have many years of experience with your daughter, should I be noting what she is producing? What does what I see in the toilet tell me? I will heed your opinion on this one. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: Joyce [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, December 15, 2024, 02:23: am Shelly, Having sitter use the knee-chest like position using the pillow as you suggest with you kneeling on the floor on her left side will give you essentially the same access to her anus and rectum as having her on your lap, possibly better. It will also allow the enemas to flow more easily into her because there will be less pressure on her belly. I suggest you discuss this with her to let her know you value her opinion and let her choose which way she prefers. As to examining the toilet after she expels each enema, I again suggest you seek her opinion rather than forcing her to let you look. You might just discover that she isn't sensitive as you believe. Again letting her know that you value her opinion will only serve to enhance her trust. There are several things we may discover from examining the toilet after she expells, including: 1 - blood in the stool - this is a "red flag" that requires medical attention 2 - how well the soap breaks up solid stool 3 - signs of diverticulitis I'm sure there are other things I can't think of now. If she is opposed to your checking, try to get her to agree to just checking after the second rinse. - Joyce [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 01:52: pm Kitten Paw, You are in good hands. Your mom knows her herbal enema treatments. They say feed a fever starve a cold. If you aren't able to keep anything down then your enemas are very important. They are keeping you hydrated. That's a good thing that the enemas make you urinate often. And she knows if you go too long without eating that she can give you nutrition in your enemas also. That's why you are getting several enemas. Relax and let them comfort you. Don't hold back your urine because he has a diaper on you. Keep your bladder empty and ask mom for a dry one. Play along with him if that makes him think he is winning. Empty your bladder and ask mom for a dry one. The fifteen year old that I am treating has dodged a bullet so far of a treatment they do if a child shows up at their hospital and is impacted in their colon and an x-ray shows a large stool lodged in their colon that won't move even after an enema or two. After you are in your hospital bed usually three or four nurses and aids come in and they physically hold your arms and shoulders and even head if you struggle as they insert a tube up through your nose and down in to your stomach. Most kids do struggle and fight them because it does not feel good when the tube gets to the back of your throat. It makes you gag and kids don't like that. Then you will get an IV so they can keep you nourished and ad sedatives to smooth you out psychologically so you don't act out on them because they are going to over the course of the next three days or so (it takes that long to finally get that mass to move) pump gallons and gallons of PEG through you. It is enema by mouth. In about an hour you will be in diapers. You have an IV and a tube down your throat and when you start going it will be so often that the only way the nurses can manage it is to make all those gallons of PEG come out in a diaper. Over three days you will have many different nurses and likely even some male nurses come in and clean your bottom and give you a fresh diaper. There are at least dozens if not hundreds of children, even teenagers that are getting that hospital clean out right now. You got this. He won't win. You are in diapers but you are home and nobody ever needs to know about it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: Kitten Paw [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 03:13: pm I know. I'm okay. I'm just delirious. I hallucinate. I can't even keep hot tea down. I know I need the enemas. I just am so sick. Mom says 103 temp doesn't worry her. And that is my rectal temp and she says oral would be lower. I had my last cool enema in the middle of the night. Now I'm getting body temp enemas to nourish and hydrate. I had one of those just before dad got up. She says I'll need one in a couple of hours and then one before I go to bed tonight. I haven't been this sick since I was really little. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: Kitten Paw [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 03:36: pm I just read what her mom told you about how happy she is. I told you she will not sass you. I told you she knows enemas are here to stay. I told you she wants a mom type but not her own mom and not a big sister type to give her her enemas. If you hadn't told her you needed her over tomorrow by tonight she would have texted you saying something like "is ( ) feeling better is he still getting an enema tomorrow?. Hoping it will get you to ask her if she has had a bowel movement after her enemas Wednesday. Hoping you would then say I want you to come over tomorrow because we need to get a bowel movement from you. I know her. You rescued her. She doesn't want to lose you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 07:45: pm And I predict that you will be an enema mom. You will know from what your mom teaches about taking care of your health with her enemas and from integrating your experimentation with your sexuality and trying to orgasm when you have your enema in you that you will want to give your kids enemas. In the 50's and 60's most households had an enema bulb syringe or enema bag. I said MOST not some. And MOST kids knew what an enema was. And it wasn't considered sexual abuse until laxative and prepackaged enema manufacturers convinced Doctors that they should be the only ones allowed to put their finger up a child's butt. Let that sink in. And encopresis was not in the dictionary yet because if a child had an accident or got caught hiding, standing, legs crossed, face red, unwilling to move, that child got an enema pronto! I predict you already wish you could give a child an enema so you can see their fear, their reaction. I wanted so bad to watch one of my older step sisters get her enema but stepmom didn't allow it. When I was in college my roommate and I slowly got sexual with each other. Mom sent an enema bag to college with me but I never used it. I didn't like the idea of giving myself an enema. But dorm rooms are small you can't hide anything. I know she found my enema bag. A couple months from the end of first school year living with her she was in bed like you feeling really sick. I had fantasized about giving her an enema. We had been naked together but nothing totally intense or intimate. My heart was beating so hard I thought it was going to burst but I filled the bag and told her I was going to give her an enema. She said she didn't want an enema but I had gotten this far and she was going to have to physically fight me off. I said I don't care you are sick and you need an enema. And I gave her the enema. We ended up being in bed sexually eventually and we used enemas sometimes to get things warmed up. And like if your dad found out you talk to us, if my husband found out I'm bisexual he would string me up by my toes. But truth trail, you already are predisposed to give some child an enema at your first opportunity. But you will be a good girl and only give him that enema because he needs it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: Kitten Paw [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 11:33: pm Okay my fever broke just before my enema. Mom says it is back to normal. 99.8 rectal. You forgot and I'm the one with delirium. I get to help mom give enemas at patients homes. And yes I hope they try to fight us so I can help her control them and give them their enemas and see the fear in their eyes and I love it especially when the boys cry and beg and we give them their enemas anyway. 13 year old boy was my favorite and one of the first ones I went with to help mom. He had never had an enema and he cried and begged like a 4 year old girl. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: Kitten Paw [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, December 15, 2024, 10:37: am No more rectal temps and no more enemas woohoo! And I'm starving. That was a rough one! I agree with Joyce that she will feel comforted if you let her feel like she has some choice in how her enemas go but here's the deal. I have channeled her and this is what she will tell you she doesn't like. She has seen that picture of the knee-chest enema position on the Fleet enema box a hundred times and seen herself and she doesn't like it. 50 50 chance her first ever enemas in her life from mom were in that position. And she was told now don't get up, stay right there until you feel like you can't hold it anymore. When mom started allowing her, no that's making her, give herself her Fleet enema I guarantee she does not use that position. She feels comforted with the contact of your bodies when she is over your leg. And a reassuring hand on her back rubbing her and talking her down off her anxiety. Her biggest triggers right now is not that you have her in a certain position for her enemas. Her triggers are the sensations of you lubricating her rectum with that applicator and then the nozzle moving through her rectum and the feeling of getting full with her enema knowing that she will soon be on the toilet trying to get it back out which is also a big trigger for her because the nurses stood there for three hours watching and listening to her get her enemas back out. Talk her through those triggers that you can't remove. One of them you can remove. All children learn at about 3 or 4 years old that you don't share sitting on the toilet to poop with anybody because mom doesn't. She doesn't want these enemas today but she does want you, Shelly, to be the one that gives them to her. Help her with her triggers about taking enemas. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools Author: Andrea [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, December 15, 2024, 03:49: pm Wow what a bright and thoughtful young lady! Kitten Paw you hit on all the high points and it is because you live them. Lord knows you lived them this weekend. Good girl for helping Shelly through this even though you were in such misery yourself this weekend. You are very unselfish. I have followed Shelly's posting here from the beginning and although I never had enemas as a child I have a withholder child. She is 10 now and has suffered incredible torture with oral laxatives with no sign of hope. I was in the drug store a few months ago with her in tow buying laxatives and pull ups and baby wipes. She had tears in her eyes and clinging to me like a lost puppy. And you could tell that under her pajamas she had on a pull up. Their little bottom looks a lot bigger than it really is with a pull up on under jammies. A very young mom with about a 5 year old was behind us checking out too. She followed us to my car and asked if she could talk to me. Long story short, she somehow just knew what was going on. Her little boy had started withholding a year ago. She also was told to give oral meds. She got on line and found the M O P program for bedwetting and thought why can't it work for kids that won't let their stools out. My precious is now on the M O P for going on five months. She gets a small enema every night before bed. She will be on it for at least another year. That is not from any Doctor's orders. That is from mom's orders who found a way to rescue her. She is very fine with her nightly enema and will ask for it frequently. Then in a year I will free her from the enema and she can manage her bowel movements. Kitten Paw your mom is doing the work of an angel. Go with her as often as she needs you to get some poor child cleaned out so they can be put on maintenance enemas. Your explanation of what the sitter's triggers are were 100% square on and I'll bet Shelly read it over a couple of times until she memorized it. Love to you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]