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Subject: Teen withholds her stools


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Shelly
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Date Posted: Friday, December 13, 2024, 10:59: am

I think you are probably right on all of that Kitten Paw and thank you for being so honest and thoughtful about what you think she is going through right now. By the time I was fifteen I had been getting my enemas for three years. I was by that time pretty much desensitized to the humiliation and degradation laying on my bed getting step mom's enema. But at fifteen the absolute worst part of having those enemas was when one of my older stepsisters would invite themselves in or get my sister who shared my bedroom to invite them in and they would see and hear me on my toilet chair getting my enema out. When stepmom gave an enema the bedroom was evacuated except for the receiver and the door was closed and nobody entered. When the child had their enema and was on the commode by their bed she would leave and shut the door behind her but we all shared our bedroom with somebody and once you were on the commode there was no assumption of privacy. It was up to you to deal with your roommate on who if anybody got to come in on you. The first few months when my enemas started at 12 years old my older step sisters would sweet talk my little sister to invite them in and they would just hang around and watch my trying to get my enema back out. I never really ever liked or bonded with them after they did that. As time went on over the years I guess the thrill of coming in on me had wore off but they still did it once in a while just to let me know they could until the day the moved out of the house. I'm going to do a enemas until clear on her like the nurses did when she comes over on Sunday. Wed. was a totally different situation with my 7 year old throwing up and everything and my wanting to just see what sort of cooperation I was going to get from her so I stayed in the bathroom with her and just talked and tried to encourage and reassure her. But going forward once she is on the toilet with her enema I'm going to leave and shut the door and let her be alone and wait for her to call me back in. We may even do a fifteen minute break between her enemas to let her gather herself and just make double sure she has got all of the last enema out completely. I know a lot of times I had more enema in me ten and fifteen minutes later after I had gotten up and stepmom came and got the commode so I would go to bathroom and have to get more out. So give me your thought on this Kitten Paw. If she asks me if she is getting an enema too on Sun. when she comes to baby sit should I tell her she is getting a enema until clear session like the nurses did on her or just say yes so she doesn't get herself all worked up about it until she gets here Sunday? So on your spankings : I feel much better about them now. I don't agree with spankings at your age but I sense that you don't especially get upset about them. I totally understand you saying that you sometimes back talk to him knowing that means an enema for sure also. I had to tell stepmom when I started my period because I always got one of my monthly enemas the first night of one. When I started a period I would get goose bumps and excited approaching her to tell her I was starting one and looking forward to her saying we will do an enema then this evening and totally not understanding why I wanted to hear her say "enema then tonight" because when I was on my bed getting it I was not liking it.

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Kitten Paw
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Date Posted: Friday, December 13, 2024, 01:02: pm

You jinxed me talking about your boy's throwing up and diarrhea. I was up in the middle of the night with a fever and diarrhea! I'm pretty sure my colon is empty now but never mind I still have all day to think about the enema she is going to give me to detox me when she gets home. If I still have very much of a fever it will be a cool herbal enema to bring it down. I got an enema and then a spanking in reverse one time. I think I was 8 or 9. I knew what cool water enemas for fever were by then and I did not like them! I refused and I fought her. I think that was one of the longest spankings ever. So your babysitter is not stupid. When you ask her to babysit Sunday she knows why she is really coming. She isn't even going to ask. What you need to worry about is if she says no I'm too busy. You are going to collect 100 bonus points if you tell her you won't come back in until she calls you. I am so serious! Any girl or boy that tells you they don't have their hand between their legs as soon as mom puts them on the toilet and leaves and they know she isn't coming back is lying! She will too. She is going to have her hand between her legs to try to comfort and calm herself back down. Why is she shaved smooth? Think about it? And that's a good thing mom's! It's not dirty. It's not disgusting. Your enema you gave her is disgusting. She is comforting herself. I haven't been able to orgasm with my enema in me but it isn't because I haven't tried. I hope I'm making sense. I have delirium and see things that aren't really there when my temp is around 103. So this is my opportunity. I already know I'm getting an enema tonight. Maybe dad will feel sorry for me and not spank me. I'm home alone all day. Shaving cream, razor, nice warm wash cloth. I'm so excited! I've wanted it for so long. I want to be baby butt smooth Shelly. Wish me no spanking! I think she will be more focused on detoxing me and she won't get too mad at me. I'll tell her I was just bored :).

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Shelly
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Date Posted: Friday, December 13, 2024, 01:52: pm

You go girl!! This will lighten your day. So the Krissi that we talk about was a regular on the enema message board similar to this. I was not but I learned so much from her. When one of her girls was about 8 I think her sister had a boy same age. Her sister obsessed with wanting to get to give Krissi's kids enemas. Krissi did enemas for colon and constipation maintenance. Her sister did enemas because she liked giving little kids enemas. Sister managed to persuade Krissi to send her eight year old girl over to her for an enema. Well the cousin boy ridiculed and teased and tormented the girl about the enema she got from his mom. But he had tormented her for a long time before that about her regular enemas. She agreed to go to Auntie for an enema if mom would make Auntie send him to Krissi for an enema. So here is the best part. Krissi also had a commode toilet chair. I think the little girl insisted mom give him the works, soapy enema, rinse enemas, clean him out good. So she had him in the bedroom and had the bag ready and he told her she was not going to give him an enema. Well he got all of the enemas. When she went back in to check him getting his first enema out he had ejaculated all over the front of himself. He even had it in his hair! So funny! And yes it is perfectly natural and okay to have their hand between their legs to comfort themselves. I'm going to give her that freedom.

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[> Subject: Re: Teen withholds her stools


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Date Posted: Friday, December 13, 2024, 02:10: pm

Shelly,

I appears that Sunday you plan to give your sitter the full cleansing enema series the nurses used that her mom wanted you to do soon. If so, may I suggest that you use an ounce or two of baby shampoo in the bag for the soap enema instead of ivory soap or goat milk soap. Johnson's baby shampoo is relatively inexpensive and readily available. It is less irritating which will let you get more enema up into her colon and will make it easier for her to retain the enema long enough to soften the stool in her colon.

Assure sitter that you will be gentle and pause if the enemas are painful.

- Joyce

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Shelly
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Date Posted: Friday, December 13, 2024, 02:20: pm

Thanks Joyce, baby shampoo it is!

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Shelly
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Date Posted: Friday, December 13, 2024, 03:55: pm

Had a real nice conversation with mom just now. She said her daughter has been in a really good mood yesterday and today. She said she has been eating like a horse so she is going to have even more stool building up daily. But she hasn't seen her this respectful of mom and talkative and happy. Mom does not say anything to her about enemas, pooping, me, and it has really cleared the whole atmosphere in the house. No tension. No walking on egg shells because daughter might blow up at her about needing a Fleet enema. She can't thank me enough and is persistent that she wants to pay me. No way, I'm just a mom who believes in maintenance enemas and someone who cares about this young gal as if she were my own. Mom is taking her clothes shopping tomorrow and her daughter is so excited! Her bill for the clean out Home Health Care provided to daughter was over $300. I told her take the money she would have to pay for her next clean out and buy her the nicest outfits that she picks out. I'm happy for her. I hope she wears one of those outfits Sunday. She is a very pretty girl. She is petite, not very tall, going to be short like her mom but she is so pretty.

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Shelly
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Date Posted: Friday, December 13, 2024, 06:11: pm

Thinking about Kitten Paw. Hope you do okay taking your enema. I hope you didn't nick or cut yourself. Enjoy the new smooth feel on the toilet getting your enema out. I'm rediscovering my journey with enemas these days now too. I'm going to have an enema tonight. I role play that I am my babysitter and me the enema giver at the same time telling her she has to take the whole bag and then try to hold it in.

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Joyce
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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 12:05: am

Shelly,

I want to share with you some information about Miralax.

I understand that sitter had a very bad experience several years ago when her mom was told to give her large doses of Metamucil and Miralax and that suggesting that to her now would likely put your relationship with her at risk. So please don't say anything to her about this at this time. Perhaps there will come a time when you and sitter are having a comfortable conversation so that you can gently share what I tell you now.

Its important to understand how Miralax works. Miralax is granular (like sugar or salt) PEG-3350 made by Bayer pharmaceuticals. Bayer makes lots of it and it is very profitable. It is used by mixing it into water, milk, fruit juice, or other beverages where the granules attach to the water. It has no significant taste. Once in the stomach it carries the water through the small intestine where nutrients are absorbed and on to the colon. If a large dose of Miralax is taken it acts like an enema often with unpredictable and embarasing results.

In my experience that is why most people think of Miralax as a laxative. However if taken in small controlled doses it can be very helpful in avoiding constipation. The beauty of it is because of its granular nature it is easy to precisely control the dose. If you start with a very small daily dose it will probably have no effect. But if you slowly increase the dose, perhaps once a week, it will reach a point where bowel movements will gradually become more frequent without embarrassing accidents.

For sitter I think she should start with one teaspoon at breakfast which is far less that the Bayer recommended dose. Increase the dose by a half a teaspoon each week. Continue the maintenance enemas and cleansing treatments until you see an increase in BM frequency between enemas. Then gradually decrease the frequency of enemas and adjust the Miralax only as necessary until you obtain the desired regularity. This may take several months. But during this time her colon may slowly return to normal size. Cleansing enemas should be continue, perhaps once a month, to keen her colon healthy.

Do your best to convince setter if she is patient and doesn't rush the adjustments she should be able to avoid the disasters of the past.

Now is probably not the time to present this to sitter. But based on the recent report from her mom she may develop a happier, healthy life from your attentions.

My best to you and sitter. Please keep me posted on your progress.

- Joyce

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Shelly
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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 09:35: am

Joyce,

All true. The malpractice use of Miralax by Doctors is when a child presents with encopresis with no formed stools, active withholding, and bypass diarrhea. Me for example at 7 years old. There is a large mass somewhere in the child's sigmoid section of the colon that is so hard, so dried out, so large that it ain't movin'! That has got to be removed before they can work on getting the child to have formed bowel movements again. Trying go get that mass to move with Miralax orally has one fallacy. No matter the size of dose there is not enough volume of liquid to expand the colon quickly and suddenly to make that mass move. The stomach and intestines string that liquid out and delivers it along the large intestines in too small and too slow of amounts to do a quick push on that mass. A large volume series of soapy slippery and rinse enemas will have a tremendously better chance of getting the mass out. I agree Miralax has it's place in getting daily formed poops. It is not good at removing a mass in an encopric child.

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Date Posted: Friday, December 13, 2024, 07:10: pm

Shelly,
I also remember that story about krissi and her nephew’s enema. I remember reading that post and laughing at all that was happening.
Krissi’s daughter, her oldest, was the same age as the nephew, 12-13.
The daughter did make arrangements with the aunt (krissi’s sister) to get an enema from her in exchange that nephew (krissi called rascal because he really liked enemas but pretended he didn’t) would come and get an enema from krissi and the daughter. You are right, rascal ridiculed the daughter, walked in on her enema time on the toilet. The older daughter wanted revenge by seeing him getting an enema. Rascal did not know anything about it. It was a sit up. He spent the night, the next morning at krissi’s house which was going to be enema day. When Krissi went in to let him know he would be getting an enema, he threw a hissi fit and cursed krissi and told krissi he did not need an enema. Krissi immediately told him “you are right, you are not getting one enema but three.” Krissi’s enemas was a goat milk enema with two rinses. She brought in the commode chair to let ponder his future. Krissi went in to the daughter’s room to wake her up and the daughter asked krissi if she had given rascal his enema and Krissi explained to her that she thinks he would give her some resistance so she asked her daughter to help get him over her knee. I remember krissi saying how her daughters eyes lit up and immediately asked if she (the daughter) could make his enema. Of course, krissi said yes. The plan they came up with was to go in and surprise grab him and quickly get him over krissi’s knee before he knew what happen. Krissi said it worked like a charm.
Her daughter had been put over her leg by her dad so many times and knew how to do it and they got rascal locked in place as the daughter went and got all the supplies from the kitchen and brought them in the room. What made me laugh was krissi said the daughter soaped nephew’s enema with a lot of goat milk and filled the bag more than usual. Krissi said the daughter was out to make sure he got a good soapy goat milk enema and a clean out. Krissi said the daughter sit in front of rascal and held his wrist tight and smiled into his eyes as the enema filled him and he would pull and the daughter would pull back and smile. After the goat milk was in him they let him up and made him take off his pj’s and he stood naked dancing around as the enema worked on him.
Krissi said she gave him the whole treatment to let her daughter enjoy this moment. You are right, after the second rinse going in for the third, he did bust his little soldier and had semen all over his pj top and in his hair. Krissi talked about how that first enema broke him and he was all hers and he knew it. She said he did not give her any resistance but went back over her knee for the second and third enema rinse.
I enjoyed those stories about rascal because he always tried to get revenge but his plan’s backfired. He even tried to get his mom to get daughter over one night and get her on the commode chair as he helped give her her enema. He had the commode chair set up and immediately as soon as the daughter walked into his house he ridiculed her and told her she would be getting an enema but what he did not know was his mom had told the daughter and told the daughter to play along with him and his mom reversed it on him as the time came for the enema and he ended up getting the enema he prepared for the daughter instead.
Those were some funny stories.

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Date Posted: Sunday, December 15, 2024, 11:33: am

Hi AV, How did you remember all of that? That must have been a nonstop enema circus. I loved that story. I wish I could have been there for all of those enemas. I think I've helped mom with about 15 enema clean outs. Usually boys and they are my favorite. They are the real drama queens. Girls got nothing on the boy's performances. We get a few with their little soldiers standing attention when we get them stripped and getting ready for an enema that they have never had before. But once that warm water starts invading the barracks they dessert and are never seen again. I would have loved to go back in and check on that 13 year old I helped mom with and seen his sperm all over himself. Maybe some day I'll get to. The most recent boy I help mom with was a 4 year old about five weeks ago and he had no clue what an enema was so there was no drama and no tears and no begging. Just the sensations in his body he had never felt before. He was put on daily suppository or enema because he holds in his bowel movements and destroys his underwear instead.

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Date Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2024, 03:34: am

Hey Kitten paw,
Krissi was a regular on that sight just like Shelly is here and Krissi and I chatted a lot.
Krissi had 3 girls, 13, 9, and 6. They were all on enemas by 6.
Her sister had 3 boys, two were twins and were older. She had a 13 year old boy as well. Krissi called the boy rascal because he would deny deny deny he loved his enemas but according to his mom, busting his little solider guy was a regular for him. All her boys were given enemas at an early age as well.
I could remember those stories because honestly I would go back and reread them to just get a laugh from them.
Krissi and her sister came from an enema family. Their mom gave them enemas. Krissi hated them and fought against them but was always taken in either by her dad or her older brother and put over her mom’s leg and locked in as they held her arms. This is the same lock and loaded leg lock shelly uses on her boys.
Krissi gave enemas for health reasons but her sister gave enemas because she loved given enemas. Her sister always wanted to give krissi’s daughter’s enemas and one evening when the 9 year old was spending the night, this is what really started the enemas back and forth, the sister first gave the 9 year old an enema. Krissi was told about it the next day. I also should add sister used a retention nozzle with a balloon to give a high enema. Some how the older girl, 13, was also given an enema sometime later by the sister and that is when rascal walked in on her. He mocked her and all. The older girl wanted revenge. Rascal always lost the enema war from that point forward. He got an enema from his mom around every 10 days. The daughters got their enema every friday night.
Krissi shared a lot. Eventually her oldest daughter became the enema queen and was given her younger sisters their enemas and was going over to krissi’s sister’s house to help give rascal his enemas. He was not happy. Krissi shared a lot of stories of how rascal tried to get revenge from that first enema experience he got from krissi and the oldest daughter but he always ended up on the receiving end. His mom didn’t like his attitude during those times and would humble him but at the same time she enjoyed given enemas.
Before the site was removed for whatever reason, the last post krissi started was a family who lost their home and krissi’s family moved them in temporarily and remodeled their basement to give them a place to stay. That family had children as well. Krissi knew the family staying with them would eventually find out about the weekly enemas so she actually talked with the mom of that family about enema health. What ended up happening was the mom wanted to start her own children on enemas. Krissi was only able to post one good post about them getting enemas and how they did not like it but it was going to be their future as well. I want to say there were 3 children as well in that family the same age or close to krissi’s children’s age.
You had to understand that at krissi’s house, krissi liked given enemas but didn’t like to open discuss them. Her sister’s house was totally opposite. Her sister loved to give and talk enemas. It was an open home of discussion.
The rascal stories for me were the best. Krissi’s girls would pick on him how he would deny liking his enemas but they knew he did. Krissi’s daughter’s didn’t like their enemas either but they would be experimenting touching themselves as they were on the toilet. Especially the oldest.
I do want to add here that if Krissi ever does read this to know she really doesn’t know how many people she helped by sharing her health journey about her kids. Shelly is following and continuing krissi’s journey by writing her own. Krissi would be proud. I don’t know where Krissi is now. I don’t know if she continued posting on another site or simply stopped. I do search for her on the voy but no luck so for.
Thank you Kitten Paw for sharing as well. I am an advocate of enema healing through writing and sharing.

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Date Posted: Friday, December 13, 2024, 07:13: pm

I'm in huge trouble I shouldn't have done that I have never seen him so mad I'm in a diaper and he taped it so I can't get it off if I want to look like a 3 year old I'll get treated like a 3 year old he is mad

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 09:08: am

Oh Kitten Paw I am so sorry! Please tell me you are okay. I'm sorry but that is not parenting. That is just mean humiliation. Don't let him see that he has broken you emotionally. It's just a diaper. Nobody but us will ever know. If he doesn't watch porn then he is one of the rarest men on this planet. That's where he gets the stand in the corner with hands on head and pants and underwear down. And that's where he gets the enemas as punishment. He has maybe even watched videos where a poor young thing is given a suppository or enema and then they put a diaper on her and tape it up so much that she could only get it off with a pair of scissors. Hope your fever has broken and just concentrate and get to feeling better. Your mom knows a lot about herbal enema treatments and she knows best if you are going to need a few enemas this weekend to hasten your recovery. Enemas can be soothing when you don't feel good. That was the only time I felt that my enemas were a little soothing. It may have just been mental but it seemed like her enemas when I was sick did make me feel better faster. You did nothing wrong Kitten Paw. And when he gets off his torture pedestal you will have what you always wanted. Hair grows back quickly so buy your own razors and just get a bar of slippery soap and use a bowl of really soapy warm water and keep rinsing and cleaning your razor after just a few strokes because they plug up quickly with the hair stubble.

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 10:06: am

I had sensed it when I had sitter over here Wed. for her maintenance enemas but it was just so cemented by my conversation with mom yesterday. This poor young gal feels like a huge burden has been lifted off her shoulders. She is embarrassed by having to have her bowel movements be scrutinized by her mom. I think she started actively holding probably around 11 or 12 because she was having to use a bathroom somewhere where other girls knew that she was pooping. It all goes back to parents locking the bathroom door and "don't bother me, I'll be out in a minute". And when she got in trouble with accidents mom took her to the Dr. She got a finger up her butt and a lecture about needing to use the toilet and not her underwear and sent home with miralax and metamucil and sent to school with those in her system. Now mom is quizzing her about her pooping and she is going around in a vicious circle where she doesn't like sharing her poop with anyone but all the adults in her life are trying to make her poop. And then the bedwetting and Fleet enemas. And now she thinks she is in a hell that will only ever get worse. She is backed up She has almost constant tummy aches. Her rectum isn't even trying to evacuate now. My conversation with mom just made me giddy Joyce. She feels like she has been rescued. No more talk in her home, her sanctuary, about POOP! I don't ever expect her to tell me she wants her maintenance enemas until we get her to the G.I. But I know that she secretly wants my help. She didn't know it probably even at the time but she was crying out for help that first enema of Junior's that she helped me with. She was so quick to openly tell me she was struggling with constipation and having to have Fleet enemas. I remember the tone in her voice when she said "and mom makes me give myself a Fleet enema" she had difficulty saying that phrase. I noticed the different tone in her voice when she said that and it puzzled me.

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 12:01: pm

Shelly,
I am so thankful you are in your sitter’s life to help her. I know you will take good care of her. She gets rewarded by helping with junior and junior2. And you know in her mind she has always wanted to give someone an enema. She is probably thankful also you are the one giving her enemas and not her mom or nurses.

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 11:49: am

I am just so sick. I didn't get any sleep last night. My temperature stays at 103. I had a second cool enema in the middle of the night and dad was sleeping so mom didn't put another diaper on me. But she gave me another herbal enema this morning and had a diaper back on me when he got up. I didn't get corner time or spanking because I was just so sick but he said I can be a 3 year old all weekend if that's what I want. In diapers all weekend. Taped so I can't take them off to go pee. Mom's enemas make me pee a lot. It just soaks them . I just want to get some sleep so bad. I don't care about his damn diaper punishment. I'm just so sick I don't care about anything.

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 12:51: pm

Just talked to sitter a little bit ago on the phone. I asked about if she was excited about getting to go clothes shopping today. She said she is so excited! Mom says she can get her hair cut and styled too today and she is so happy. I love the tone in her voice when she is happy. I said so for tomorrow see if you can get a bowel movement in the morning. Sit for at least five minutes take a fifteen minute break and then go sit for another 5 minutes and try to go. This is really important to your healing. Eat a light lunch and come over at 1. We have a busy day ahead. Our youngest is starting on weekly enemas tomorrow so we have two of them that need an enema and I'm going to be up front with you. I'm putting you on a weekly enemas til clear starting with the soapy enema so we need the whole afternoon to get through that. I'll be gentle and we will take things slow and take breaks if you need. Have a cup of hot tea or I can give you a back massage. Sort of make a spa day out of it. Okay? I got a quiet but quick "yeah". And we said good bye and that was that. I'm so excited. Yes because I fantasized about getting to give her enemas. I admit that. But she needs these enemas.

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 01:12: pm

Shelly,
I think she is nervous.
I hope J1 and J2 don’t get sick again so her experience this time can be private and personal.
She needs to have a good experience to feel comfortable.
I am so excited for you Shelly.

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 03:19: pm

Shelly,

Sorry to hear about your 4 year old. Sounds like he got it from his brother.

From what sitter's mom has said you have lifted a great burden from both sitter and her mom's shoulders. You should be proud of yourself for having the courage to intervene so skillfully in a very difficult situation.

When sitter comes tomorrow you should praise her for her cooperation Wednesday and pleased how well she handled Junior's needing the toilet to barf. Tell her she was so mature in cooperating and remaining calm and adapting to that and allowing you to continue her enema. That was awesome! If you choose, for her cooperation you will let her choose a position other than across your lap for her enemas like you had her do while Junior barfed into the toilet, or some other position that you approve.

From what you said it appears that her two enemas Wednesday probably didn't get all the way up into her colon. So today the enemas may need be slightly larger to make sure they reach all of her colon. You promise to be gentle and pause if they cause pain. You want this cleansing to be effective, not painful. Ask her before you start to remove all her clothes (particularly if she is wearing her new clothes that her mom bought for her Saturday) so that they won't get soiled if she has an "accident".

If she cooperates, tell her that with your supervision you will let her give Junior his weekly enema.

Hope all goes well. My love to you, sitter, and her mom.

- Joyce

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 05:49: pm

Joyce,

As always your encouragement and advice is so helpful. The thing is from my experience with how different and delayed the experience is with my using the deep enema nozzle effects the full sensations in my rectum I want to get the nozzle completely past her rectum and started into her sigmoid. That's why you urged me to get it. To do that I really need her over my left leg. I think that is the only position we can use where I can feel the slightest resistance when we hit the rectal wall and then be able to turn it back and forth while I feel when I'm past that resistance. Also I'm not going make her show me her returns of the enemas until the third one which should be mostly clear. But I do want to gather records of how big the poop is in her rectum when she comes to me that she is unable to pass. Information that may be very helpful for the clinic she will be going to. I'm going to tell her I'm not going to make her show that to me either but because I need to know how full her rectum is then I'm going to do a rectal exam while I'm inserting the suppository. Krissi taught us that you glove up and insert the suppository as deep as you can reach along the rectal wall and along side the stool. With the size of enemas she needs and wanting to use gravity to our advantage if we can I really want her in the knee chest position. They say that for patients who are able to get in that position and stay there it really is the only position to use for really high enemas. She is barely five foot one. I'm going to put one of our seat cushions from an old couch that is long gone on the floor and she will be able to fold her arms under her shoulders and rest head shoulders on the cushion just like the knee chest position. I just really like having access right there at her bottom in case she leaks a little. If we need to get her on the toilet quick we are right there at the toilet. I can stand as she stands lift the toilet lid and seat in one motion and have her sitting in about 3 seconds. If I was still using just a short enema nozzle I might consider giving her some choices but she will have to already be over my leg for suppositories and to get the nozzle in her so she will just have to emotionally adjust to the idea that that is the way I do enemas. That's the way she sees me give Junior his enemas so she won't feel I'm singling her out for special treatment. Plus I hated when step mom made me turn on to my right side where I could see her looking me and I could see my enema bag. That is when the cramping and feeling you are so full and having to hold it in is so strong and I just didn't like that other stimulus to have coming at me. I don't want her focusing on much more enema is in the bag. I want her to focus on trying to relax and open mouth breathing. I'll let her know how she is doing with her enema. Yeah I had already planned on telling her I need her to get fully undressed for me. I have a night shirt that will look like a dress on her. That will be her enema shirt. Just a plain white night shirt. If she wants to take a break between enemas it will practically reach the floor so she can come out with me in the living room and she will be totally covered. So I went to Target and got Cerave baby wash and shampoo. Going to do a very soapy enema myself tonight to see how awful a soapy enema is. I never took a soapy enema because the idea just scared me so much. Soap in your eyes really hurts. No way I wanted soap in my enemas.

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 06:34: pm

Joyce,

How do you feel about the need to see what she produces? I know that was very important to the nurses. But I also know from my own experience growing up and what Kitten Paw says that it is something that really is humiliating to the child. I'm trying to weigh what possible knowledge I will gain about what is going on in her colon with how degrading it is for her to show me her poop. My most important goal is to empty her entire colon and if I make her let me see what the third enema which is going to be two quarts brings out if she is able to take it all and hold it for like ten minutes then I'll know if she is cleaned out. You have many years of experience with your daughter, should I be noting what she is producing? What does what I see in the toilet tell me? I will heed your opinion on this one.

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Date Posted: Sunday, December 15, 2024, 02:23: am

Shelly,

Having sitter use the knee-chest like position using the pillow as you suggest with you kneeling on the floor on her left side will give you essentially the same access to her anus and rectum as having her on your lap, possibly better. It will also allow the enemas to flow more easily into her because there will be less pressure on her belly. I suggest you discuss this with her to let her know you value her opinion and let her choose which way she prefers.

As to examining the toilet after she expels each enema, I again suggest you seek her opinion rather than forcing her to let you look. You might just discover that she isn't sensitive as you believe. Again letting her know that you value her opinion will only serve to enhance her trust.

There are several things we may discover from examining the toilet after she expells, including:

1 - blood in the stool - this is a "red flag" that requires medical attention
2 - how well the soap breaks up solid stool
3 - signs of diverticulitis

I'm sure there are other things I can't think of now. If she is opposed to your checking, try to get her to agree to just checking after the second rinse.

- Joyce

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 01:52: pm

Kitten Paw,

You are in good hands. Your mom knows her herbal enema treatments. They say feed a fever starve a cold. If you aren't able to keep anything down then your enemas are very important. They are keeping you hydrated. That's a good thing that the enemas make you urinate often. And she knows if you go too long without eating that she can give you nutrition in your enemas also. That's why you are getting several enemas. Relax and let them comfort you. Don't hold back your urine because he has a diaper on you. Keep your bladder empty and ask mom for a dry one. Play along with him if that makes him think he is winning. Empty your bladder and ask mom for a dry one. The fifteen year old that I am treating has dodged a bullet so far of a treatment they do if a child shows up at their hospital and is impacted in their colon and an x-ray shows a large stool lodged in their colon that won't move even after an enema or two. After you are in your hospital bed usually three or four nurses and aids come in and they physically hold your arms and shoulders and even head if you struggle as they insert a tube up through your nose and down in to your stomach. Most kids do struggle and fight them because it does not feel good when the tube gets to the back of your throat. It makes you gag and kids don't like that. Then you will get an IV so they can keep you nourished and ad sedatives to smooth you out psychologically so you don't act out on them because they are going to over the course of the next three days or so (it takes that long to finally get that mass to move) pump gallons and gallons of PEG through you. It is enema by mouth. In about an hour you will be in diapers. You have an IV and a tube down your throat and when you start going it will be so often that the only way the nurses can manage it is to make all those gallons of PEG come out in a diaper. Over three days you will have many different nurses and likely even some male nurses come in and clean your bottom and give you a fresh diaper. There are at least dozens if not hundreds of children, even teenagers that are getting that hospital clean out right now. You got this. He won't win. You are in diapers but you are home and nobody ever needs to know about it.

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 03:13: pm

I know. I'm okay. I'm just delirious. I hallucinate. I can't even keep hot tea down. I know I need the enemas. I just am so sick. Mom says 103 temp doesn't worry her. And that is my rectal temp and she says oral would be lower. I had my last cool enema in the middle of the night. Now I'm getting body temp enemas to nourish and hydrate. I had one of those just before dad got up. She says I'll need one in a couple of hours and then one before I go to bed tonight. I haven't been this sick since I was really little.

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 03:36: pm

I just read what her mom told you about how happy she is. I told you she will not sass you. I told you she knows enemas are here to stay. I told you she wants a mom type but not her own mom and not a big sister type to give her her enemas. If you hadn't told her you needed her over tomorrow by tonight she would have texted you saying something like "is ( ) feeling better is he still getting an enema tomorrow?. Hoping it will get you to ask her if she has had a bowel movement after her enemas Wednesday. Hoping you would then say I want you to come over tomorrow because we need to get a bowel movement from you. I know her. You rescued her. She doesn't want to lose you.

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 07:45: pm

And I predict that you will be an enema mom. You will know from what your mom teaches about taking care of your health with her enemas and from integrating your experimentation with your sexuality and trying to orgasm when you have your enema in you that you will want to give your kids enemas. In the 50's and 60's most households had an enema bulb syringe or enema bag. I said MOST not some. And MOST kids knew what an enema was. And it wasn't considered sexual abuse until laxative and prepackaged enema manufacturers convinced Doctors that they should be the only ones allowed to put their finger up a child's butt. Let that sink in. And encopresis was not in the dictionary yet because if a child had an accident or got caught hiding, standing, legs crossed, face red, unwilling to move, that child got an enema pronto! I predict you already wish you could give a child an enema so you can see their fear, their reaction. I wanted so bad to watch one of my older step sisters get her enema but stepmom didn't allow it. When I was in college my roommate and I slowly got sexual with each other. Mom sent an enema bag to college with me but I never used it. I didn't like the idea of giving myself an enema. But dorm rooms are small you can't hide anything. I know she found my enema bag. A couple months from the end of first school year living with her she was in bed like you feeling really sick. I had fantasized about giving her an enema. We had been naked together but nothing totally intense or intimate. My heart was beating so hard I thought it was going to burst but I filled the bag and told her I was going to give her an enema. She said she didn't want an enema but I had gotten this far and she was going to have to physically fight me off. I said I don't care you are sick and you need an enema. And I gave her the enema. We ended up being in bed sexually eventually and we used enemas sometimes to get things warmed up. And like if your dad found out you talk to us, if my husband found out I'm bisexual he would string me up by my toes. But truth trail, you already are predisposed to give some child an enema at your first opportunity. But you will be a good girl and only give him that enema because he needs it.

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Date Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2024, 11:33: pm

Okay my fever broke just before my enema. Mom says it is back to normal. 99.8 rectal. You forgot and I'm the one with delirium. I get to help mom give enemas at patients homes. And yes I hope they try to fight us so I can help her control them and give them their enemas and see the fear in their eyes and I love it especially when the boys cry and beg and we give them their enemas anyway. 13 year old boy was my favorite and one of the first ones I went with to help mom. He had never had an enema and he cried and begged like a 4 year old girl.

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Date Posted: Sunday, December 15, 2024, 10:37: am

No more rectal temps and no more enemas woohoo! And I'm starving. That was a rough one! I agree with Joyce that she will feel comforted if you let her feel like she has some choice in how her enemas go but here's the deal. I have channeled her and this is what she will tell you she doesn't like. She has seen that picture of the knee-chest enema position on the Fleet enema box a hundred times and seen herself and she doesn't like it. 50 50 chance her first ever enemas in her life from mom were in that position. And she was told now don't get up, stay right there until you feel like you can't hold it anymore. When mom started allowing her, no that's making her, give herself her Fleet enema I guarantee she does not use that position. She feels comforted with the contact of your bodies when she is over your leg. And a reassuring hand on her back rubbing her and talking her down off her anxiety. Her biggest triggers right now is not that you have her in a certain position for her enemas. Her triggers are the sensations of you lubricating her rectum with that applicator and then the nozzle moving through her rectum and the feeling of getting full with her enema knowing that she will soon be on the toilet trying to get it back out which is also a big trigger for her because the nurses stood there for three hours watching and listening to her get her enemas back out. Talk her through those triggers that you can't remove. One of them you can remove. All children learn at about 3 or 4 years old that you don't share sitting on the toilet to poop with anybody because mom doesn't. She doesn't want these enemas today but she does want you, Shelly, to be the one that gives them to her. Help her with her triggers about taking enemas.

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Date Posted: Sunday, December 15, 2024, 03:49: pm

Wow what a bright and thoughtful young lady!

Kitten Paw you hit on all the high points and it is because you live them. Lord knows you lived them this weekend. Good girl for helping Shelly through this even though you were in such misery yourself this weekend. You are very unselfish.

I have followed Shelly's posting here from the beginning and although I never had enemas as a child I have a withholder child. She is 10 now and has suffered incredible torture with oral laxatives with no sign of hope.

I was in the drug store a few months ago with her in tow buying laxatives and pull ups and baby wipes. She had tears in her eyes and clinging to me like a lost puppy. And you could tell that under her pajamas she had on a pull up. Their little bottom looks a lot bigger than it really is with a pull up on under jammies.

A very young mom with about a 5 year old was behind us checking out too. She followed us to my car and asked if she could talk to me.

Long story short, she somehow just knew what was going on. Her little boy had started withholding a year ago. She also was told to give oral meds. She got on line and found the M O P program for bedwetting and thought why can't it work for kids that won't let their stools out.

My precious is now on the M O P for going on five months. She gets a small enema every night before bed. She will be on it for at least another year. That is not from any Doctor's orders. That is from mom's orders who found a way to rescue her.

She is very fine with her nightly enema and will ask for it frequently. Then in a year I will free her from the enema and she can manage her bowel movements.

Kitten Paw your mom is doing the work of an angel. Go with her as often as she needs you to get some poor child cleaned out so they can be put on maintenance enemas.

Your explanation of what the sitter's triggers are were 100% square on and I'll bet Shelly read it over a couple of times until she memorized it. Love to you.

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And, Kitten Paw - be aware that if those boys are on the autism spectrum they'll still be needing (and fervently resisting) the anal purgatives a decade later. And it will be, on different days, a source of entertainment and a really tiresome chore. I speak from experience.

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