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Date Posted: 00:27:20 07/23/07 Mon
Author: Neysa
Author Host/IP: user-2inik4t.dialup.mindspring.com / 165.121.80.157
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God created heaven and earth. Who created God, and where did he come from ?
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Re: God is eternal... -- Phil from AZ, 01:29:31 07/23/07 Mon [1] (71-38-108-225.phnx.qwest.net/71.38.108.225)
He existed b4 time itself. He had to in order to create the earth out of 'void', as it states in Genesis 1:2. Not only did He exist b4 time itself, but He will exist after time as we know it exists...since He exists for all eternity.
God could not have been created by another being, lest that being exist as THE Supreme Being.
Finally, since God is omnipresent, He is, and I assume, was everywhere, so to speak. So, if God is everywhere, the question of where he came from is an excellent one, but moot.
Great questions! I love this stuff! Does any1 disagree with me on this?
Take care, God Bless,
Phil from AZ
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Re: God -- Catie, 07:08:30 07/23/07 Mon [1] (h166.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net/151.213.243.166)
God said "I am that I am". He is the beginning and the end. Do you want to know more about him? Do you want all of your questions about God answered? I do. God has said in due time we will know all things. Stay tuned. God is not finished. He will have an eternity to answer our questions. :)
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Re: God -- Catie, 20:36:04 07/23/07 Mon [1] (h166.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net/151.213.243.166)
We humans can only comprehend time and space in the parameters we have come to know. We can "imagine" otherwise, but we know nothing else. We measure time. But God doesn't need to measure time. That's why he said "I am the beginning and the end". The bible tells us "Our times are in his hands". He told Jeremiah that he knew him even in his Mother's womb. In God's realm time is never measured. We know from scripture that a day with the Lord is as a thousand years. It gets really deep beyond that point and our wee brains are limited in how to accept that. The new testament scripture says, "For now it's as if we are looking through a dark glass, and we only understand parts of God's world. But in time we will see him face to face and all things will be made known. If you believe in him and that his word is truth, then you should expect to have answers someday when this limited fleshly brain of ours has been put away and replaced with heavenly bodies, that will be perfected and will comprehend the full depth and riches of God.
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My father used to say smething, and I'll probably -- Joan, 04:55:46 07/27/07 Fri [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)
get it all wrong.
It went something like "The uncaused, cause."
Does anyone remember that one?
Joan
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Joan........ -- Neysa, 18:19:42 08/01/07 Wed [1] (user-2inikd0.dialup.mindspring.com/165.121.81.160)
I never heard of that, what does it mean...."The uncaused,cause ?"
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Re: Joan........ -- Joan, 05:14:41 08/02/07 Thu [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)
I'm not sure I have the right term. It means that God is the cause (of the universe) and that he didn't need a cause to exist. He always existed w/o cause.
Joan
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I strongly object to the absolute thinking that God is a HE!........... -- Barb, 07:59:46 08/02/07 Thu [1] (clgrtnt6-port-161.dial.telus.net/161.184.50.161)
That upsets and rangles me more than most things. I believe that God is beyong being a he...or a she, for that matter. God...just IS!
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"beyonD" not beyong. Sorry! -- Barb, 08:00:35 08/02/07 Thu [1] (clgrtnt6-port-161.dial.telus.net/161.184.50.161)
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Re: I strongly object to the absolute thinking that God is a HE!........... -- Lynn, 08:27:27 08/02/07 Thu [1] (ip72-193-232-42.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.232.42)
Barb, the reason why God is known as a He has to do with Jesus. Many times in the New Testament, in the English translation, God is a HE. In other language translations God can be a HE or SHE or IT, but of course no one can call God an IT, and man is higher than a woman, this you know, so know way God can be a SHE, hence why we call God the Father. I hope that explains it a little more Barb.
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Lynn...I will NEVER accept that man is higher than woman............... -- Barb, 09:28:24 08/02/07 Thu [1] (clgrtnt6-port-161.dial.telus.net/161.184.50.161)
and the Bible was written by Men! No wonder it is translated that God is a HE! I love yah, Lynn...but we truly do part company here. Oh well, we can agree to disagree because we are friends. :-)
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Barb, I never said that Man was Higher Than Woman... -- Lynn, 12:48:18 08/02/07 Thu [1] (ip72-193-232-42.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.232.42)
that is what we are led to believe. I also wanted to explain why God is referred as a HE instead of a SHE or IT. A woman can do anything a man can do, but a man can't do everything a woman can do, and if they say they can, let's see them pop out a baby. :)
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Thanks, Lynn! :-) You are masterful with what you said......... -- Barb, 13:00:23 08/02/07 Thu [1] (clgrtnt3-port-9.dial.telus.net/161.184.44.9)
Indeed a man cannot do all a woman can do. Pop, Pop! lol
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How do you refer to God? -- Joan, 09:55:54 08/02/07 Thu [1] (ip68-0-253-131.ri.ri.cox.net/68.0.253.131)
Do you always say "God"? If you use a pronoun, which do you use? He, She, It?
I use He, because the 1st person of the Trinity is called the father, and the 2nd person is Jesus, who came to earth as a Man.
I don't believe that God neccesarily has a sex, but our experience of God in human form was as a man, so I'll all ways call God, He. IMO, God is really beyond gender. He's not both genders in one--he's beyond anything human.
Joan
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Re: How do you refer to God? -- Lynn, 12:51:30 08/02/07 Thu [1] (ip72-193-232-42.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.232.42)
I also refer to God as the Father, which makes him a HE in my book, but I have looked into other religions who use the pronoun IT because they say that God has no gender. I personally cannot go around calling God an IT. In our religion, God did come down to earth as a human before anyone else was on the earth. If anyone is interested in learning a bit of what we believe go to Mormon.org
< not trying to convert anyone, just for info >
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Yes Joan, God is beyond gender and I always refer to God as....God! -- Barb, 13:02:41 08/02/07 Thu [1] (clgrtnt3-port-9.dial.telus.net/161.184.44.9)
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Re: God -- Neysa, 12:01:00 08/02/07 Thu [1] (user-38lci38.dialup.mindspring.com/209.86.72.104)
I have always refered to God as a He. But, many people who have had a near death experience say that they saw a bright light. This bright light identified itself as being God. The people go on to state that when the voice spoke to them. They could not tell it it was male or female. Perhaps, God is beyond gender, and has no sex.
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Barb......................... -- Neysa, 12:17:33 08/02/07 Thu [1] (user-38lci38.dialup.mindspring.com/209.86.72.104)
You mentioned that you were brought up in a Reform Jewish household. Do Reform Jews believe that God is a HE, or can be a SHE, or is without gender?
How many different types of Judiasm are there? Is Orthodox, the strictest ?
What is your view of the ( I'm not sure how to spell it, or refer to them.) Hassidic...Hassidim---they dress all in black have long curls for sideburns ? The only time I've seen them is in NYC, or when I'm at the Newark, or JFK Airport.
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Hassidic Jews... -- Lynn, 12:58:31 08/02/07 Thu [1] (ip72-193-232-42.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.232.42)
I grew up knowing many people who were Hassidic. Very different than Reform. My family was Reform, and so we kept seperate dishes/pot and pans for everyday use and then had the dishes/pots and pans for holidays. I remember once that my grandfather accidently used a dish that was used for the holidays and my grandmother bopped him with her cane.
Hassidic Jews keep a kosher home on a daily basis and spouses sleep seperately from each other. They dress in black because they should not stand out like worldly people do, and do not cut their hair.
Orthodox is the highest form of Judiasm, you are correct.
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I grew up as you did, Lynn...changing dishes for the holidays..... -- Barb, 13:08:25 08/02/07 Thu [1] (clgrtnt3-port-9.dial.telus.net/161.184.44.9)
that sort of thing, but we did not go to a reform shule. I consider myself a reform Jew today though.
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I went to a reform shule Barb... -- Lynn, 13:28:20 08/02/07 Thu [1] (ip72-193-232-42.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.232.42)
Your gonna laugh at this one...
When I was younger a bunch of kids on a Friday evening went to an Orthodox synagogue and threw a bunch of pennies out in the middle of the street. They wanted to wait and watch what they would do when they came out of the synagogue. I could have told them that they would have picked them up, but that would have spoiled their fun. The kids had no idea how hard it was for most of these people before coming to America, and that 1 cent meant something to them. To the kids it may have seemed like a penny and what can a penny buy, but save 100 pennies and before you know it, you have a dollar. Them kids didn't even think about it because they probably had a dollar or more that they threw in the street. They could have bought ice cream or candy with it. Instead they wanted to make fun of the Jews. How sad.
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I think, Lynn................... -- Barb, 13:32:14 08/02/07 Thu [1] (clgrtnt3-port-9.dial.telus.net/161.184.44.9)
By the sound of it that those kids wanted to "prove" that Jews like their money! Isn't that one of the oldest and most misguided misconceptions of all! :-(
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Your so very right about that Barb... -- Lynn, 13:59:39 08/02/07 Thu [1] (ip72-193-232-42.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.232.42)
they were called penny pinching in my day. That's why the kids did that. If they only knew of the struggles during the Depression, they would understand why so many people during that time who came from other countries held on tight to whatever money they had.
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Neysa........Lynn answered some of your questions......... -- Barb, 13:24:08 08/02/07 Thu [1] (clgrtnt3-port-9.dial.telus.net/161.184.44.9)
Reform Jews can believe what they wish about God, whether God be a male, female, or something other than that is their choice. All views are respected.
I am not one who likes the fanaticism of the Hassidic Jew. Believe it or not they are not overly loved in Israel either. My brother who lives on a Kibbutz in the Golan Heights has told me alot about that! They are too extreme.
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Lynn and Barb, Thank you for answering my questions. -- Neysa, 13:31:52 08/02/07 Thu [1] (user-38lci0s.dialup.mindspring.com/209.86.72.28)
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Your Welcome Neysa -- Lynn, 14:00:50 08/02/07 Thu [1] (ip72-193-232-42.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.232.42)
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Re: God -- Catie, 07:38:25 08/03/07 Fri [1] (h166.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net/151.213.243.166)
As I stated before, God isn't male or female. He is a spirit with no gender form. Scripture says that. He simply related to man as a man, because of the tradition of the time that he revealed himself to man. For me, it is easier to relate to him as a male figure head also, but in reality I know God is a spirit, and in fact, not anything can be compared to him, not female or male.
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