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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Jes, 13:09:58 03/29/06 Wed [1]

Who gives birth like that?

I don't see anything wrong with depicting childbirth in art. But I wouldn't buy it and put it in my collection.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- taurus, 13:16:07 03/29/06 Wed [1]

Well, for one I really don't think the Federlines are that interesting of a subject.

It's actually a really nice sculpture, but not a natural pose.

Anyway, I'll look for it, I saw another artist on FashionTelevision the otherday. He called his work GUM BLONDES because he used gum. He did the usual blondes like Marilyn and Jane Mansfield and the more current Pam Anderson and Paris Hilton. It was well done and humorous.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Jes, 13:35:32 03/29/06 Wed [1]

I really feel bad for Brittany. She's one of those people you can just feel needs help badly.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- noslave, 14:25:33 03/29/06 Wed [1]

When I give birth, I will definitely be holding onto the head of a dead bear.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- taurus, 14:30:25 03/29/06 Wed [1]

Oh and Britneys alot skinnier in that sculpture. It's like sh gained no weight during pregnancy and the artists impression is complimenting.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- 23, 14:37:20 03/29/06 Wed [1]

Dead bear?

Pussy.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- tg, 14:46:44 03/29/06 Wed [1]

weiner shnitzel

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[> [> Re: Britney sculpture -- gren, 15:26:35 03/29/06 Wed [1]

It's ridiculous and inappropriate. Well that's just me. It honestly looks like she's gonna take it doggystyle. Then you can see the baby's head coming out, ew. I wonder if it really happened that way. I know some women do, I saw it on the discovery channel or something. It was nasty, not only the baby came out too lol.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Jes, 16:13:48 03/29/06 Wed [1]

OH honey. I thought I had to "go" when in labor, and the nurse said "No you can't get up. Sometimes that just happens and it's ok!" LOL! Thank goodness it was just the pressure from giving birth and I didn't really have to "go." Oh the joys of motherhood. I felt like a cow by the time it was all said and done. Like everyone and their brother had their whole freakin' arm up there at some point.

I think the artist was going for the hot first glance and then the repulse second look. It's really a "good" sculpture, it's just a shame that someone probably did it for the media attention alone.

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[> [> Re: Britney sculpture -- gren, 18:04:35 03/29/06 Wed [1]

You think she posed for this?
Yeah I heard the horror stories of childbirth and how you couldn't care less at the time lol. Oh well...BF and I still wonder if he should stay by my head or witness the whole thing. I'm afraid he could get traumatised lol.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- the devil, 20:07:04 03/29/06 Wed [1]

First Britneys a virgin (I knew that couldn't last long), then she's a woman slut (I liked her that way), now she's a goddess mother!

Jesus Christ what next.....

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Robert, 20:14:52 03/29/06 Wed [1]

I dunno. I think that's the best she's looked in years. :)

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Jes, 08:37:33 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Gren - get a mirror! Keep him up with you, and I think they'll (they used to offer) put a mirror at the bottom and he can see it that way. I didn't do this - was afraid I'd never get laid again if he saw that. LOL. But you'll want to hang onto him and this way you can distract him if there's something in the mirror you don't want him to see. And you can see too.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- taurus, 08:58:03 03/30/06 Thu [1]

My hubby was pretty traumatized by the whole experience especially the umbillical chord. For the last baby he was with me at the hospital for a few hours with the kids, but I had my mother as my coach instead and my wacko mother in law stood around taking pictures.

For the pain I really did a great job with my breathing and meditation it really help better than everything else, except the ......epidural. But while getting the epidural I was using the breathing to saty still while she did the procedure and she told me I was the best person she ever dealt with.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- 23, 09:03:17 03/30/06 Thu [1]

"BF and I still wonder if he should stay by my head or witness the whole thing."

I must admit, I've had some concerns in this area. I've talked to my wife about it, and we're not quite sure what we're going to do. I definitely want to be in the delivery room, I just don't know if I particularly want to see that favorite of places do those things I'm not used to seeing it do. I consider myself a pretty progressive guy, but I also don't want to lie to myself here because I feel like progressive guys like myself should witness the event and then I end up changing my mental slide show of that part of my wife's body.

I'm not sounding sounding like a soulless ass, am I?

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- taurus, 09:21:19 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Will your wife have someone else with her, because you would only be a soulless ass if you left her alone.

It doesn't really matter who's with her for the pushing, as for comforting them really I prefered everyone just kept quiet. All your plans can change anyway when your in the moment.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Jes, 09:33:08 03/30/06 Thu [1]

23: I totally understand. You should stay with her and hold her hand (or rather let her put the death grip on yours - bruises and scratches and all). They put a blanket over her so you won't see your most favorite of places all distorted. This way you can still be with your wife and witness that first glance of the tiny arm or leg and here that first cry. To me, cutting the cord that joins the Mother and child is a symbolic step for the Dad, but maybe not for everyeone - so that one's up to you. Roy cut it without seeing my parts. You'll be fine.

Along the same line - why doesn't breast feeding freak a Dad out for the same reason?

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[> [> Re: Britney sculpture -- gren, 10:48:35 03/30/06 Thu [1]

This is all very interesting infos guys. Taurus I can't beleive you had you MIL in there!
23, this is what we kind of came up with. He'll be there, by my head for confort and if he feels compelled to watch then he can peek and come right back up if it's too much. Lots of guys get mesmerized and end up watching the whole thing. ( kinda like a car crash lol j/k). Either way they should stay away from placenta and gook. My gf's husband was checking the placenta with the doctor, he was explaining everything and streching the thing out, he loved it lol.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- taurus, 10:56:38 03/30/06 Thu [1]

The MIL showed up, I was surprised that she was able to take pics. By this time it was third and I didn't care anymore. My first time I didn't want anyone there (except hubby, but that didn't stop any of my many visitors), I was also throwing up alot and was in labour for 20 hrs.

Your placenta story reminds me of when I finally did have my son, the doctors were standing around looking over the placenta and I thought that was the strangest thing. I found out later the placenta can show signs of abnormality and disease,(I guess in the colour, etc.).

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Jes, 10:57:45 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Ewwwww!!!! I couldn't even look at that! It looks like a giant piece of raw liver!

Oh yeah, and take it from my bf. Do not run out of the room to tell everyone what you've just had when it's time to cut the cord! Don't make the nurses chase you down the hallway! Nate was born and Roy hit the door to go call his Mom. They chased him down the hallway, but we had to wait until he was done on the phone.

Oh and I only got half the dose of epidural because I was moving so quickly. It's very scary when they tell you to hold still but you're in labor! Anyhow, just before Nate was born, the epidural wore off. They quickly gave me the other half (which was then scary afterwards because I couldn't feel anything below my waist). But anyhow, I can honestly say I know what it's like to have a baby with and without the epidural and I suggest the epidural!

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- 23, 11:08:27 03/30/06 Thu [1]

I don't really see myself having a problem with the placenta (I don't have problems with blood and stuff - I watched my wife get a 2.5"x1" chunk of skin cut out of her chest last year because of precancerous melanoma, and it didn't really bother me). It's just the giant vagina with a tiny human coming out of it that may leave a lasting, negative impression.

But your plan with your BF sounds pretty good. That may be what we end up doing.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- gren, 11:08:53 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Oh and Jes I never thought about the mirror and seeing this myself! did you? Now I'm intrigued...

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Jes, 11:14:57 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Melanoma tries to attack the best of us. If she had it in her cleveage too, I'm gonna start calling her sister.

Anyhow - I can't believe I forgot to give you the 1 piece of advice all men need to know!

DO NOT (and I'd bet you won't anyway), I repeat DO NOT leave her in that hospital by herself for more than going home to shower. That time - even though you've got this little creature in your arms that you had no idea you were capable of creating and loving so much - can be the absolute most lonliest time in a woman's life. I had to stay an extra day because Nate had an infection, and I was left alone most of that time. I have been lonely in my life, but NEVER have I been that damn lonely. It was terrible! Think of it this way - she is carrying a life with her for 9 months. All the sudden that is seperated from her. It's tough - even with the cute little baby blinking his/her eyes at you.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Jes, 11:17:34 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Gren - no. I'm a big chicken and didn't watch it myself. I just remembered that they offered it (and I thought they must be crazy). In retrospect, it probably would have been helpful to know what was going on down there. I just spent all that time pushing (and nearly hyperventilating - go to lamaz class - I didn't because no one would go with me...and I regretted that).

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- taurus, 11:27:55 03/30/06 Thu [1]

O yeah Gren I forgot to reccommend "What To Expect When Your Expecting" by Heidi Merkoff. It's the best prgnancy book ever and there are no questions left unanswered.

p.s. I agree with Jes DO NOT leave her alone in that hospital, she will get depressed. I know you won't 23, because you'll probably won't be able to stay away from that baby.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- 23, 12:41:37 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Jes - it's a little off-center, not directly in her cleavage. But the scar does show when she wears low-collared shirts. The scarring is pretty bad - there was a tech who took out her stitches and wasn't familiar with the knot the doctor used. She pulled and pulled a stitch but it wouldn't come out and ended up having to do a new incision to get it out. The doctor then told my wife at a follow-up appointment that the tech was pulling the wrong end of the stitch to release it.

But close enough to be sisters, I'm sure.

:)

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- carson1, 12:46:23 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Yeah, she had a c-section, too, apparently. My hubby was pretty freaked out by the whole experience, too. He didn't want to be anywhere near the business end, and I don't blame him. I didn't need a mirror to know what was going down, down there. I felt every bit of it! He was very supportive, though, and did great. Yeah, the poopy action occurs, but seriously, Gren, you won't give a shit (HA! I made a funny!).

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Jes, 13:14:10 03/30/06 Thu [1]

My scarring is horrible, too. Because mine was smack dab in my cleavage, they tried to make a flap with skin to kinda transfer the scarring out of sight and it just never healed right - so I have a big Harry Potter lightening scar across my chest even though the original spot would have only left a scar about the size of a quarter. They told me that skin is not very flexible there. Anyhow, mine was in situ, meaning it had only formed in my layer of skin and hadn't sunk into my lymph nodes yet. So we're lucky ass sisters! :)

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Gren, 14:21:27 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Holy shit I'm sorry to hear about this Jes, and for Twan's wife too. I knew it was something like that because of the "lump" name but you never explained.
Taurus I have that book, and my pregnancy week by week too. I've been stupid with them and read the whole thing instead of following my evolution lol. I can't help it!
A friend of mine wishes for a C section because she doesn't want anything impaired down there. So twan, not only if you look it will never look the same but it won't feel the same either! better enjoy it now lol

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Jes, 15:05:34 03/30/06 Thu [1]

No, Gren - don't be sorry. My best friend's brother died at the age of 26 with that very type of cancer. It could have been so much worse! I'm sure I can speak for 23's wife when I say it's a war scar, and I'd rather have that the alternative. That's the most fatal type of skin cancer and we were both VERY lucky to catch it fast and get rid of it. It's been over 3 years, so I get to call myself a cancer survivor now! Even though I don't, because I feel so bad that there are so many who weren't as lucky and had a much worse battle to fight.

But actually, my name was from the Presidents of the United States song, not cancer (though I realized that it fit there too). I've only recently changed it because I didn't realize how negatively people took it or maybe moreso how low that made me appear.

There are exercises for that part of the body so that you can get it back! There's even a couple tools! And sometimes the doctor will throw an extra couple stitches in there. Don't scare poor 23! It can stay a flower, and not turn into a pug. :)

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- taurus, 15:21:38 03/30/06 Thu [1]

"But actually, my name was from the Presidents of the United States song, not cancer (though I realized that it fit there too). I've only recently changed it because I didn't realize how negatively people took it or maybe moreso how low that made me appear."

~~~ I knew it was from the song, and I loved that name. I didn't think it was negative at all. I thought it was humorous and a reflection of your funny personality and the ability you have to laugh at yourself. It's ok to use your real name here since this is such a small group and no need to stay annonymous to all the wierdos on the internet.

I think Iymlad was the only one who said anything about lump so I wouldn't worry about it. Everyone reads into things differetnly.

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[> [> Re: Britney sculpture -- Sandrine, 15:40:47 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Wow I really thought the name was related. Well you are a survivor! my BF's mom got cancer, a rare form of adult leukemia. She bugs me sometimes with all her advices and how she's always right about everything but I have to think about her condition and be good to her.
I heard about the exercises jes, this may be inappropriate but I heard about the extra stiches too and I thought it would be bigger inside. God what am I talking about, this is embarrassing lol!

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Jes, 15:53:12 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Sorry about your mother in law. Any form or leukemia is bad news!

No - it's definately a valid question. Those muscles being tightened up by exercise should shrink the inside too. I told you my story about the gynocologist saying I have a cute little uterus, didn't I? LOL. I don't know that the area would be the same (being that I was too young at the time to pay much attention!)...but you might be able to make it better. Who knows? The whole machineray of that area is pretty amazing when you think about it.

Just watch the other end. I know alot of people who now battle hemmeroids and there's no easy fix for those!

I wonder how many people are cringing now?

TG - Chrys also was glad to see me change that. He made a point, but I'm glad you got the original idea! :)

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[> [> Re: Britney sculpture -- gren, 16:07:27 03/30/06 Thu [1]

What if you don't need stiches? I will throw in there hey can you stich me up real nice and tight lol!!
God I'm already lazy to exercice now I have to exercise my VG too?! lol Jeez.
Ok that's all good advice, you gotta keep in shape :)
I didn't like the name lump, I didn't know it wasn't related but it sound ominous.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Jes, 16:16:24 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Actually, now that I think about it...there's always a controversy around to stitch or heal! I don't know which they do right now. I was stitched, but my sister in law who had her son a year and a half later was allowed to rip - same doctor same hospital. It depends on the trend. If I remember right - they fight over which way heels best. Hmmmm...who had a baby recently?

Carson! If you don't mind - which way did they go with you?

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- gren, 16:51:44 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Hell no! my sister in law had it ripped but it ripped up instead of down and she's now "disfigured"!! she has so many problems and now she's having surgery to fix it up. Her **** got sliced in 2.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- carson1, 16:52:16 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Well, I had the combo plate. They cut me because I was tearing, but I also had a 4th degree tear (that's the one that goes all the way up there), so they had to stitch me up good. That kid fileted me like a prime cut of meat! You know, even after having that crazy tear, I don't think anything feels different. My hubby doesn't think so either, unless he's totally lying. I'm not sure if it was because I tore or the good job they did sewing me up, but I was up walking around 6 hours after I had him. It took me about a month before I healed all of the way. You know, whichever way you go, if you deliver vaginally, getting up and walking around as soon as you can will really help, in my opinion. From what I understand, tears like that don't happen very often, so don't worry, Gren. I just had a BIG baby.

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[> [> Re: Britney sculpture -- Gren, 17:37:42 03/30/06 Thu [1]

Yes you see my sis in law it was her first and she weighted 9 pounds!
I read in an article "don't ask your husband if it's the same down there because he will lie for sure" lol. If he knows whats good for him and if he wants to get some lol. But sometimes we can tell if they are lying sacks or not, plus if he's swimming around in there you can't tell him his cack has shrunk lol!

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Jes, 08:26:57 03/31/06 Fri [1]

OK - now that we've scared the hell outta anyone who hasn't given birth!!!

Really - we make it sound like a nightmare - but everything is more vivid in retrospect. It's not that bad (as long as you get an epidural). There's alot of pressure - it feels like you have to poop really bad - you push and push and push and boom - a miracle happens. When you're in the here and now - and it's you giving birth - it's amazing. Not your prettiest moment literally - but maybe your most amazing powerful moments! 5 months later, when you're used to being a Mom - you'll all be right here scaring someone else with us!

Really - childbirth seems scary, but millions of woman have been doing it for centuries - long before all the science that has made it much better for us. You'll all do wonderfully and be fine and be able to share pictures with us in just a few months! :)

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- carson1, 11:09:36 03/31/06 Fri [1]

Yeah, Jes is right. I didn't mean to scare anyone. You know, even if you have to do it without an epdirual, such as I did because my body went into overdrive, you make it through it. It's very painful, I'm not going to lie to ya, but you do what you have to do for your baby. It's amazing how strong you can be when you need to be. You will be very proud of yourself, and you should be!

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- noslave, 14:30:31 03/31/06 Fri [1]

First of all, this thread is gross.

Second of all, I have a new-found respect for all the moms in the house - in fact, in the world.

Third of all, I just realised the irony of having a dead bear in a pro-life sculpture - that's titled "Monument to Life".

Fourth of all, this thread is really gross.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- gren, 18:21:47 04/03/06 Mon [1]

I just found out she was 3 months pregnant ( haven't been keeping up with my gossip). What is she thinking?!

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- Leo, 21:43:14 04/03/06 Mon [1]

this thread has me squirming in my seat......

its been over 10 years but I can honestly say I don't think the pain was a big deal and i had nothing but something to take off the "edge". I can also honestly say I don't remember either after birth because I was too intrigued with the new lives. Although I do remember the doc being mad at me cause I assumed my job was done after my oldest was born.

one piece of advice though, make sure your bladder is EMPTY beforehand, esp if there's no epidural. That catheter going in hurt way more than any of my 3 babies going out.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- tg, 10:31:01 04/04/06 Tue [1]

The catheter with the epidural can also stop the dialating if your bladder gets full and since you can't feel anything you won't know if it's full, unless the nurse checks it.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- 23, 11:16:52 04/04/06 Tue [1]

Re: epidurals.

My wife knows someone who has permanent nerve damage from getting an epidural. Apparently it's not as uncommon as one would think. I mean, they are jamming a big needle into your spinal column.

(my wife plans on doing a natural birth, but I made her promise that she would keep drugs as an option if necessary).

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- tg, 15:32:01 04/04/06 Tue [1]

When i was born, the lady in the same room as my mother also had nerve damage. One false move during an epidural and it's a spinal tap. I found my breathing through the procedure really helped, especially during a contraction.Spinal injury has happened before, but it's not common.

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- carson1, 13:35:14 04/06/06 Thu [1]

Yeah, Twan, I thought I would do that, too. I think it is really going to depend on the size of the baby, too. I'm sure she'll do great either way.

Also, try not to eat anything really greasy before you go into labor. Trust me on that one...

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- noslave, 15:55:45 04/06/06 Thu [1]

Doesn't the grease help the baby slide out more easily?

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- 23, 15:58:39 04/06/06 Thu [1]

Seems logical to me.

Hell, you'd think the doctors would serve a Big Mac & fries right in the delivery room. It would only make their jobs that much easier.

(mmmmm. greasy baby.)

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[> Re: Britney sculpture -- carson1, 16:17:16 04/06/06 Thu [1]

Yeah, you'd like to think that would work...hell, I would've tried anything to get that kid outta me. Supersize me, bitches!

Nah, one thing people don't tell you is that during the last part of your labor, you get really nauseous, so if you've eaten anything greasy, it's coming right back up. I would suggest avoiding the greasy stuff about 2 week before your due date so that you're ready when you go into labor. Just some friendly advice....

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