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Date Posted: 11:48:03 08/30/01 Thu
Author: Chantal
Subject: How about even earlier?
In reply to: detoured 's message, "Something new I noticed in Orison (shippy)" on 01:53:53 08/25/01 Sat

You know, there "are" fans that believe M/S have been intimate throughout the series. ;) I don't buy this theory mainly because I haven't been big on the romantic relationship, but I've played with the speculation for a while, too, of just when did they become what is the fact now, trying to filter through all the flirting and real feelings for one another that we witness onscreen to realize just when their sexual intimacy began. We'll probably never really know but it's fun to speculate anyway.

I think Scully's change in behavior to a far more flirtatous Scully than we've ever witnessed before in Season 7 is an indication of a more involved relationship with Mulder. They really do act like a "couple" more so than ever in many scenes. So just speculating, we can say the UST is now RST during season seven. So we need to look further back, beyond S7 for a starting point.

The way I view the partnership, they weren't doing the NP until maybe Rain King. That just may be the episode when it started. But let's go back even further, to episodes that pretty much declared they were not involved.

Season 4's Small Potatoes reveals to us the following telling dialog between a unspecting Scully and Eddie VanBlundHt as Mulder in Scully's apartment:

Eddie/Mulder: "We never really...talk much.. do we?"

Scully, with quite a perplexed look: "What do you mean, like..really talk? No, no we don't, Mulder."

Moments later Scully says she's "...seeing a whole new side of you, Mulder."

They are pretty awkward with one another in that scene to be lovers. Ok, so it's Eddie in reality instigating "Mulder's" advancements, but Scully's reactions are unsure and hesitant, not like she's familiar with Mulder's body at all. And, are we to believe they are sexually intimate but don't talk? Or "never" have talked? Seems like a pretty sterile, basically primal, physical relationship if they were sexually involved at this point. Hiding in the dark, sex for sex's sake doesn't fit our characters.

Season 6's episode, "Triangle", is further evidence of UST. The much discussed "Oh, Brother" response of Scully to Mulder's profession of love is the evidence. There's not much warmth in her reactions to him before that either, instead she seems more interested in chiding him for his behavior.

Season 6 also has "How the Ghosts Stole Christmas", and Mulder's now infamous line to Lyda spoken with a deep sigh, of, "We're *not* lovers." Are we supposed to think he was hallucinating at this point? That he never experienced Lyda's taunts at all? If so, why would his subconscious have him voice denial if he and Scully were, indeed, lovers? And I do so agree: Why would Mulder think he would have to lie to a ghost? He had the option of not answering at all, or, of being ambiguous.

Next is Rain King, and Scully's confession to Sheila in the ladies restroom that she's not experienced even one kiss from Mulder. This could have been Scully "covering" if you will, any kind of public admission of a intimate relationship with her BFI partner, but it didn't seem so at the time, did it? Then there's the question of lodging for the two of them after Mulder's room was destroyed by the tornadic cow. Where did he stay the rest of that night? There were no other rooms available. Day two revealed their scheduled flight cancelled because of the weather, so again, where did he stay *that* night? Um, emotions seemed heightened during the dance, warm fuzzies abound, and these two are sharing a room....?

To me the kiss in Millenium is simply an extension of their flirting. Mulder is too tentative for it to mean more than what we see, a New Year's kiss. Scully accepts the kiss but doesn't really respond other than with a enigmatic smile. It can be seen as just another, yet, more serious, flirtation. But, maybe it was tentative *because* they were in public after all.

I agree with y'all about "all things" seeming to be the episode in which Scully come to terms with her commitment to Mulder, instead of being the episode of the first sexual encounter. This can also be seen as an extension of the bathroom conversation with Shelia from Rain King. Her speech to Shelia of realizing one day that 'someone close to one could be so much more' can be sited as her initial awakening to her own realization of her need to commit to Mulder. She's been wrestling with this for a long time, and it becomes finalized in "all things".

So I'm thinking Rain King and a cozy, warm, very small motel room in the middle of nowhere on a rainy night just may have been the time of consummation.

The problem is, and the reason for so many unhappy fans now that we've been ** told ** they were intimate, is that their onscreen relationship never changed. Intimacy changes relationships. Even if they have to hide it from co-workers and bosses, it changes them. Other than Scully's casual flirting in season 7 we weren't given any real hints. And that's what alot of fans wanted, not a bedroom scene just change in their behavior towards one another. And taking it one step further, if the opening teaser of "all things" was supposed to be that tell-tale scene why couldn't GA have been directed to look alittle happier? Or anything other than the "look" we got? Or a little peck goodby or adjusting the sheets - anything to reveal alittle intimacy.
If that scene was simply Scully dressing in the bathroom after NPing with Mulder ( and her expression as it was because it wasn't the first time and she was already planning her days' activities ), it certainly had the feel of nothing new, as if it had been going on for a long time.

Chantal

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