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Date Posted: 08:29:14 08/31/02 Sat
Author: Patty
Subject: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction?

Probably no one is "here" that may be able to help, or offer advice, but just in case, I'll ask.

I have a really old dog, cocker mix. Yesterday we noticed a horrible swelling, gooey grossness on her neck. I had to cut off her collar. She has had severe allergic reactions before, so I think what happened was, a reaction to a tic or flea bite...maybe spider, and then her itching caused a bacterial infection, abcess. I'm not sure of course, I don't think it's "internal". Also, it did come on fast(!), we would have noticed if she had this condition for very long.

Anyway, I'm not taking her to the the vet "emergency", I just can't afford hundreds of dollars. :-(

First off, she is neurotic...she _will_ bite, fight. I could tie her mouth shut, that would work, _once_. So she is HARD to treat. The area is VERY sore. I gave her benedryl right off, also aspiren. Soaked the area as best I could (which wasn't very good) last night. Slathered the area with a mixture of antibiotic, hydrocortizone, salve, silvadine. It's not swelling worse today. She didn't seem to have a sore throat and is eating and drinking well. BUT, today she is more respritory. I need to start antibiotics.

Looked at Merck, it says this.

"In dogs with first-time infections, clindamycin, erythromycin, tylosin, lincomycin, cephalosporins, oxacillin, or amoxicillin-clavulanate can be used. Erythromycin has an anti-inflammatory as well as an antibacterial effect, through inhibition of neutrophil chemotaxis and the mitogenic response of lymphocytes. However, associated GI distress often limits the use of erythromycin. Oxacillin, cephalexin, and amoxicillin-clavulanate are usually used for long-term treatment because staphyloccal resistance is less likely to develop with these drugs. Dosages higher than those on the label are generally needed for deep pyodermas. Refractory or recurrent pyodermas or severe infections are often treated with trimethoprim-sulfadiazine or quinolones. Trimethoprim-sulfadiazine may cause agranulocytosis, aplastic anemia, immune-mediated vasculitis, or other hypersensitivity reactions in Doberman Pinschers or other dogs. Quinolones are useful for mixed infections of aerobic, gram-negative organisms and S intermedius . Quinolone use should be limited to infections shown to be unresponsive to other drugs by culture and sensitivity testing. Prolonged use of quinolones should be avoided. Skin infections in cats and large animals are generally sensitive to penicillins. Metronidazole is useful for treatment of stomatitis and feline acne. Draining tracts infected with Actinomyces spp , Nocardia spp , Dermatophilus congolensis , or Streptomyces griseus often require debridement or surgical excision, lavage, and long-term systemic antibiotic therapy. "

I have to find something I can give orally. I have Tucoprim (trimethoprim and sulfadiazine). Above it says "Refractory or recurrent pyodermas or severe infections are often treated with trimethoprim-sulfadiazine or quinolones. Trimethoprim-sulfadiazine may cause agranulocytosis, aplastic anemia, immune-mediated vasculitis, or other hypersensitivity reactions in Doberman Pinschers or other dogs." So I'm a bit hesitant to use it... I tried to get a local vet to give me a scrip, but she's being ...well, not going to happen. So, I'm limited. I can pick up terramycin at the feed store, but that's it.

I'm leaning towards the Tucoprim (trimethoprim and sulfadiazine) but.....I don't know!?

Heeeelp?!

Oh, and how do you dose grams? It's weight... It has a scoop, but it's way to big for this. Is there a conversion to tsp/tbsp, cc, ml? Duh, I don't know.

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Steve, 05:38:39 09/02/02 Mon [1]

Well ,I'm still a stalker , oh ! , I ment to say lurker on the forum and I didn't have this site location until this morning when Kathy posted it on the Humanehomesteader forum , Thanks Kathy . And I see an infection problem that is so simply to fix that I need to come out from under the bridge and give advice that will probably get ignored. ZINC is the best stuff I've seen for infections and I've even seen it get rid of a stubborn case of pink eye on a human that conventional medicine couldn't even control. Really I'd hate to see the popularity of Zinc become well known because then the price of it would go up so high , I'd think I was buying some illeagal contraband every time I needed to buy some. If you don't have the problem licked by now .Get some good quality , health food store brand zinc. Do not use the one they sell at wal-mart or value stores.It doesn't work . I've tried it. 50 mg capsules is the best vaule. Empty a bunch of capsules on a piece of paper and cover the whole infected area with it .Then force 2 of the capsules down the dogs mouth and give him one , every 3 hours for a couple of days. I have met a woderful vet , who one time even offered to put my cat to sleep for free cause it had cancer and she's aware of my lack of money situation.This was 3 years ago .Even the examination of the cat was free. She's a GoodHeart.If I had a problem with an animal or pet , all I'd have to do is explain what's wrong with the animal and she'd sell me the anti-biotics without even seeing the animal , if necessary. Yet I've seen Zinc work so muck faster and even work on chickens that weren't responding to vet prescribe and over the counter anti-biotics, that besides the cat with cancer ,I don't ever take her up on her offers of free help .The Zinc is superior than most anti-biotics I've seen at work . The only antibiotics I do use or keep in the house is Sulmet for cocidiosis that might affect my goats. Hopfully your dog is better by now.

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[> [> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Lisa, 06:05:21 01/08/03 Wed [1]

Just for your information- the vet who sells you stuff with out even seeing the pet is doing so illegally. If you can't afford to pay the bills, don't get the pets. Or better yet, give up something else(ie smoking,drinking, whatever else is unneccessary in your life) so that you can pay the vet. They have bills to you know.

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[> [> [> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- S Thom D. V. M., 01:36:49 11/22/03 Sat [1]

Ya know what,... You really have alot of nerve saying that people are smoking and drinking and that the money goes for that instead of taking care of their pets. People are here to ask for advice For the care of their pets,.not your smart ass remarks! You know absolutly NOTHING about these people and their life style and how much they love their pets. unfortunatly not everyone has the means to do what you seem to be able to do since you have such an opinion on how people should be. sooo unless you know these people and their life style you need to keep your mouth shut unless something comes good out off it instead of diarreah!

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[> [> [> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Buck, 11:03:04 09/26/04 Sun [1]

For Lisa: I've known some pretty awful vets. They're in it solely for money, money, money and couldn't give a crap about the animals. I had one who wanted to poison a dog everytime he developed a new bout of demodectic mange (he has immune system problems). She never looked for the underlying cause of why he was getting sick. Didn't even care. All she wanted was to have us bring him to her several times a week for dips and so she could administer strong systemic poisons.

So lay off the crap, all right? Of all the vets I've ever met (and that's a lot) I've only found one who had the animal's well being and that of its people at heart. The rest were money grubbing butts catering to the dog show and upper middle class set.

Hey, do you go around telling people who ask for public assistance for their kids they should give them up or do you just stand on a street corner flapping your lips about their personal lives without knowing them.

What a piece of work you are honey!

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[> [> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- pam, 14:04:42 02/09/03 Sun [1]

hi, i have sheltie and he has come down with a abcess on his foot, i think... i drained it and have been putting peroxide on it... its still alittle red and swallon, should he see a vet??? thnx pam

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- animal sanctuary lady, 05:47:31 09/02/02 Mon [1]

Patty, I'd make a paste of plain white sugar & betadine. If you don't have betadine, just use the sugar. Pack it onto & into that wound, and wrap it. It will draw out the nastiness. I've had excellent results with this.

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[> [> My dog has an abcess -- Camie, 14:34:49 11/10/03 Mon [1]

Hi, I have a small lab mix, she is actually my dd's dog. I have two other dogs..German Shepherds that like to playfully munch on the lab. We have tried to get them to stop, but the lab brings it on.

The lab now has what I think is an abcess on her forehead, how can I treat this myself...it is not open.

Thank you
Camie

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Steve, 05:48:36 09/02/02 Mon [1]

I tried to put my post in a neat paragraph type writing and it came out stuck together ????

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Patty, 07:56:20 09/02/02 Mon [1]

Thank you both!!!

Steve, I'm glad to see you posting! AND I'm not ignoring your advice! ;-), you suggested zinc to me before, and I will try it. But, I'm not sure with her, _because_ the drug I'm using could cause (see above), aplastic anemia, and didn't you say zinc binds iron? I'm not at all sure this applies.....but, I'd have to look into it further, to understand.

Animal Sancuary Lady, nice to "see" you! :-) Sugar...I think I've heard of this......wonder what it is about sugar...? Must draw...when it drys...?

She's doing much better, the area is suppocating (sp?), openly, the pain is much less, and the swelling is way down. Like I said, I used the trimethoprim and sulfadiazine, because actually the feed store that was open, was out of Terramycin (Oxytertracycline), at the time. I understand the stance on antibiotics, but I felt her condition indicated it. The swelling, I felt if not checked was in danger of closing her airway....anyway, it's a judgement call. I do my best. :-)

Oh, I figured out dosage after thinking a second, it's density and mass of course. Darn rusty brain. I had to figure the ratio of the larger dosage. A FYI, water is aprox, 1 gram = 1 cc/ml. But this powder was 3 grams = 5 cc/ml. Ended up being 1.75 cc/ml or 1/4 tsp.

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Steve, 05:03:09 01/28/03 Tue [1]

<< didn't you say zinc binds iron? >>

I never said that. I Never did liked being misquoted.
Zinc competes with magnesium and never should be taken when taing a magnesium supplement.

I Did once say on a forum that calcium bonds to cabon dioxide in cabonated soft drink which forms calcium carbonate and causes the elimination of the bodies calcium reserves to be excreated through the release of urine.

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Robin, 17:43:01 01/28/03 Tue [1]

So I am curious is the dog ok now?

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[> [> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Robin, 16:59:20 10/29/04 Fri [1]

I have a 16 week old puppy that was bit in the face and head by an adult dog. She was given antibiotics and the right side of her face swelled but, has since went down and the top of her head is swollen now. I am afraid that the mother dog may have caused the wound to early and the abcess has sat into the top of her head. What do you think?

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Steve, 07:28:45 01/29/03 Wed [1]

Robin this is said about the condition of the pooch.


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Which leads me to believe she << doing is much better>> or has died of old age, being this post was written last year and the dog was << a really old dog, cocker mix. >>

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Steve, 07:30:46 01/29/03 Wed [1]

Robin this is said about the condition of the pooch.


<< She's doing much better, the area is suppocating (sp?), openly, the pain is much less, and the swelling is way down. >>

Which leads me to believe she << doing is much better>> or has died of old age, being this post was written last year and the dog was << a really old dog, cocker mix. >>

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Lynn Storey, 17:29:04 04/25/03 Fri [1]

My dog, Dingo, did it again. She indulged herself in a fight, this time, with the cat. Last time, she suddenly became "The Hunchback of Notre Dame," due to a dogfight and I stuffed her with oregano in peanut butter and hot camomile compresses nightly for about 5 minutes. There was never an obvious drainage nor soft spot but the condition took care of itself. Bear in mind this is a wild animal so the resistance may be greater. Since it has happened again (the Hunchback effect) I will also try the zinc recommended; if that doesn't work, the antibiotics for recurring abcesses seems a sane solution. One would think, however, that, if herbs or the natural immune system can effect such a dramatic cure, the antibiotics should cure in one course. If they don't then they're not effective. I would do the entire course, not skipping one dose.

I want to say that the resourcefulness of someone who has limited funds in discovering a cure for his/her dog is to be commended. It is my guess that 95% of our population is in her situation. Our allegedly rich country beats Russia, where there is no cash, no credit and no food, but the material status of the bulk of our population is, I think, overrated as in a dream..... As far as not having pets if you don't have money, dream on....one would also apply this maxim to homo sapiens were it not almost taboo to even THINK it!!!

Lynn

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- KAREN, 17:18:40 06/15/03 Sun [1]

MY CAT DEVELOPED AN ABCESS BEHIIND HIS RIGHT EYE. THE VET DRAINED THE ABCESS A COUPLE OF TIMES BUT THE SORE ON HIS FACE WILL NOT STOP OOZING. IT IS WHERE THE VET WENT IN TO GET BEHIND HIS EYE. HE HAS BEEN GIVEN ANTIBIOTIC SHOTS AND I CLEAN IT SEVERAL TIMES A DAY WITH HYDROGEN PEROXIDE. IT JUST WILL NOT HEAL..IT HAS BEEN A FEW MONTHS NOW. HE WEARS ACOLLAR TO KEEP HIS PAWS AWAY FROM THE WOUND. HE IS VERY LETHARGIC, NO APPETITE AND VERY LITTLE USE OF THE LITTER BOX. I THINK HE IS IN A LOT OF DISTRESS. THE VET IS VAGUE ABOUT THE OUTCOME. WHAT SHOULD I DO? I HAVE A BAD FEELING ABOUT HIM. I DON'T WANT HIM TO SUFFER. THANX FOR YOUR KINDNESS.

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[> [> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Jen, 17:30:53 09/14/03 Sun [1]

I would get a second opinion from another vet, ASAP!!! Good Luck

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[> [> [> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Monica, 16:43:52 11/09/03 Sun [1]


Hi i read this message , because i am having a dog with something like a an abcess on his back right now ( i speak spanish so my english is not very good specialy spelling )
but what i wanted to tell u is i had a cat with abcess , and i cured him with an ointment named "iruxol " which is for humans , it does an ezymantic cleanning in ulcers , it does not let them dry on the surface until the bottom is cured , so it`s perfect for an abcess .
I first cleanned my catīs abcess with h202 peroxide ? and then softly put the ointment on the abcess hole , and it took like a week to heal .
It was very good because it did not hurt and was not scary like some sprays are ...
i dunno if u still have ur cat with this problems ...but if u do , please find out the name for "iruxol " in english itīs composition is "cloranfenicol " and "colagenasa "
and teh lab is knoll .
good luck !
Monica

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[> [> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Arlene, 01:39:09 10/27/03 Mon [1]

I recently took my dog to a vet for a simple abcess drainage procedure. My dog was under anesthesia for 15 minutes during the operation. He was sent home with a cone to prevent the dog from licking the wound, but was not given a pain medication. My dog started panting heavily the moment he got home. It went on until the next day and I had to take him back to the vet to get reexamined. The vet took an x-ray and found fluin in his lungs. They tried to remove the fluid and was to be observed overnight at the emergency hospital. My dog did not make it on the way to the hospital. My dog died in my car, he tried to hang on so hard but I am glad he died as he was with me and not alone.

You are lucky that your pet is still alive. Had I research the cure for abcess through natural herbs or over the counter drugs, my beloved pet will still be alive today. Currently, he is in the morgue waiting to be cramated. I am so heartbroken as he was my baby for 8 years. My advise to you and to everyone is follow your gut instict. I did not follow mine. I trusted my vet's advise to have my dog get the surgery to drain the abcess, although my instict told me otherwise.

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Dave, 21:30:55 06/21/03 Sat [1]

My 4 yr. old lab has two small hard white growths on the top of his skull ( approx. 1/4 cm diameter) . I've done much research on the net and can't seem to figure out what they are. I'm not currently in a great monetary situation so any home remedy or even identification possibilities would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to whoever can help.

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- B, 21:38:45 06/26/03 Thu [1]

<< My 4 yr. old lab has two small hard white growths on the top of his skull >>

Dang buddy , ya ain't spose to take the skin off a dog's head to see what's on the skull.

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- B, 21:41:30 06/26/03 Thu [1]

<< I DON'T WANT HIM TO SUFFER. THANX FOR YOUR KINDNESS.>>

Ya should have tried the zinc

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Jan, 13:32:51 07/02/03 Wed [1]

I have a cat with an absess on it's neck. It's big. What to do?

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[> [> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Jen, 17:32:40 09/14/03 Sun [1]

Take your cat to the vet, the infections are usually under the skin too deep to treat at home.

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Jan, 13:34:50 07/02/03 Wed [1]

I have a cat with an absess on it's neck. It's big. What to do?

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Dr . Steve, 08:52:05 07/08/03 Tue [1]

The natural healing book " Back to Eden " by Jethro Kloss
Has a herbal recipe for a poultice that is very affective .
I used it on a kitten that was bit by a german shepard and developed an abcess on it's belly .

The abcess came to a head the morning after the treatment from the night before .

Since I don't have the book and it was back in 1978 when I tried this treatment , I only remember one ingredient , slippery elm bark , I belive there are two other herbs used to make it afective .

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Lee Wolfe, 17:18:04 12/20/03 Sat [1]

I have a poodle that has an abcess on her hind leg about an inch below and to the left of her tail. I cut the hair from around it and drained it. It was bad and left a deep hole. I put some neosporin on it and she is resting now.
I read about the zinc and about the sugar - should I use either of these? I will drain it again tomorrow and put compresses on it but I would appreciate any advice on what to do. I enjoyed reading all the other comments.

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[> Does any one know how to cure an Abcess on the butt? -- Vikrant, 14:52:52 01/10/04 Sat [1]

I have an Abcess on the upper part of my buttucks can any one tell me how to cure it?

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Lorna Crosby, 20:33:27 01/13/04 Tue [1]

3 month old puppy, rescued, history unknown, has inner right toe abcess. The entire toe was about 3 times its natural size. Even so, puppy did not limp, perhaps because it is a baby pitbull. I hear this breed is tough. The vet said that the bone might be involved, a osteomalitis, in which case he claims the toe will have to come off. He gave me a bentadine flush to stick in the area he lanced. I got to do this painfull proceedure 1 days before the skin closed up. Now,after 4 days of antibiotics, I see little change. Any suggestions?

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[> SEVERE SKIN ALLERGIES -- kim, 21:03:11 02/09/04 Mon [1]

HI, I HAVE A 6YEAR OLD PUG THAT HAS SEVERE SKIN ALLERGIES. WE ARE NOT SURE WHAT SHE IS ALLERGIC TO. THE VET CONFIRMES THAT IT IS AN ALLERGY. WE HAVE ONLY HAD HER A COUPLE OF WEEKS. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN GIVE A DOG BENEDRYL BUT CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW I SHOULD DOSE IT OR WHETHER OR NOT I SHOULD USE CHILDRENS BENEDRYL?ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT MIGHT HELP ME TO HELP HER COPE WITH THE ITCHING WOUD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANKS MUCH.

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[> [> Re: SEVERE SKIN ALLERGIES -- KIM, 21:05:51 02/09/04 Mon [1]

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Cherie, 07:43:29 02/27/04 Fri [1]

I'm sorry, this is not a response but a plead for help... couldn't figure out how to post a question either...
One of my two Rotts had TPLO surgery in late October on one of both hind legs that will require it. She's currently 2.2 yrs old. It was a high-risk operation (angle was 41 degrees). She was doing wonderfully until about 10+ days ago. I got a funny feeling something wasn't right, but could put a finger on it. During a routine therapy session 6 days ago she broke loose to chase a stray dog that wandered into the yard. I immediately knew she had hurt herself. I called her surgeon immediately the following morning, but he was not on rotation. I left a message explaining the situation and asked that he please be located and give me a call. After 48 hours and several more calls I decided to take her to her locale vet. It isn't good. The leg is a mess, the pin has come completely out and through the skin - and she has an infection that has entered her bones. She was given the following medications: cefazolin, rimadyl, baytril, cephalexin, otomax, and metacam. She was sent home with more cephalexin, baytril and metacam. The vet was trying to be gentle and leave the final progness to her surgeon, but indicated she could die, good probability of limb loss, if the limb can be saved, severe arthritis and limited use would be best case, with a reminder that she will have to be subject to the same risk with the other leg. We are both attempting to contact the hospital that did the surgery, but we had severe weather here that has completely shut it down (with limited phone use as well with downed lines). I am in shock, and need to know what this all means. She is my soul, but I will not sit back and watch her indure unneccessary pain. I do not necessarily trust the doctor's advice as the only and absolute solution. If someone has anything to add... the zinc... should I try it?

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[> [> my cat -- Donna, 14:48:57 05/17/04 Mon [1]

My cat was bit by a dog,he has puncture wounds not deep,by the ear he has a draining abcess,it is good it is draining,I put peroxide on it and antibiotic ointment also,other than a vet visit(I cant even take myself to the Dr.)what can I do?Please help?

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[> Question: Cat with abscess -- Sahale, 23:35:26 04/10/04 Sat [1]

I couldn't figure out how to post a question, sorry.
My cat has what I believe to be an abscess on its hip. It's painful to the touch and he's acting like he's sick. I can't afford to spend alot of money on vet bills but the abscess is not open. It's under his skin and the wound is very small. Does anyone know anything that I can do to help this at home? Please? Also how long can a cat live with this problem? I believe he's had it for longer than I first thought.

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Rebecca, 15:17:19 07/26/04 Mon [1]


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[> [> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- donnacrocker, 13:31:04 09/18/04 Sat [1]

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Winston, 19:36:44 09/27/04 Mon [1]

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Diana, 22:55:41 04/03/05 Sun [1]

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- Linda Renee, 00:35:47 05/15/05 Sun [1]

In regards to abcess & draining - Should I drain the abcess before it starts to ooze or do I wait till it starts to ooze?

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[> Re: Medication advice for canine abcess/bacterial & allergic reaction? -- carmen thompson, 10:19:42 10/16/05 Sun [1]

i have horses, goats, chickens, ducks, dogs, cats and a macaw parrot. i have since given away 2 pups from the dogs. i tend to pick up animals that people have dumped in my area, and out of 20 pups i have 11 left to give away.
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