North Texas Limited Street & Houston Outlaw True Ten Rules
- I have only received emails from 13 drivers. We are a little short of the 30 + names listed previously. -- Doug Adams, 21:02:47 12/06/07 Thu [5]
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- THE RULES FOR KOTH LIMITED STREET 2008 ! -- Doug Adams, 22:23:52 12/15/07 Sat [12]
Class Description
1. Limited Street is a heads-up class designed for cars originally built from a major car manufacturer.
2. Cars will compete on a .400 Pro-Tree
Body
1. Must be stock looking
2. Fiberglass LIMITED to, hood, deck lid, and bumpers.
3. No one piece fiberglass front ends.
4. No front clips
5. Forward facing hood scoops allowed.
6. Lexan front windshields door glass and rear windshields will be allowed .
7. Factory spoilers allowed.
8. Aftermarket wings will be allowed with a maximum length of 15 inches from rear deck lid.
9. Factory Grill and headlights required.
10. Stock factory floor pans required to reach the rear most point of door jam.
Interior
1. Factory look.
2. Stock appearing dash and dash pad. No aluminum dashes.
3. Carpet, and BOTH front seats in stock location required.
4. Rear seat not required but all flooring must be carpeted.
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Front Chassis/Suspension
1. Stock front frame rails and suspension or aftermarket subframe with stock unaltered mounting locations. Must maintain OEM suspension configuration.
2. Aftermarket control arms and bushings allowed as long as they bolt in stock locations.
3. Aftermarket coil over shocks allowed and aftermarket direct replacement struts( if originally equiped ) are allowed, but must bolt in stock location with the exception of aftermarket K-member.
4. In the case of K-member cars, the upper control arm must bolt in stock location, but the K-member and lower control arms must still be removable.
5. Rack and pinion steering allowed .
6. No double frame rail type cars allowed
7. Cross member may be notched for oil pan clearance.
Ride Height
4" Mimimum in front of front tires
Rear Chassis/Suspension
1. Old school back half
2. Any type rear suspension allowed.
3. NO wheelie bars are allowed without weight penalty.
Firewall
1. Stock firewall in stock location and floor pan to door jam behind front seat.
2. Smoothing of firewall for appearance is allowed.
3. No part of engine may touch stock position firewall.
Engine
1. Any engine combination and power adders allowed.
2. Engine must be in stock location.
3. Motor plates and solid mounts allowed.
4. Mufflers required for all cars except turbocharged entries. Turbo exhaust should be directed toward rear of car and must exit a minimum of 12 inches behind the front axle centerline.
Transmission
1. Any OEM type automatic transmissions allowed.
2. No Brunos or Lencos.
3. Air shifters and trans-brakes are allowed.
Electrical
1. Stock headlights and tail lights are required and must be functional.
2. No optical sensors, electrical or pneumatic throttle stops are not allowed.
3. Progressive nitrous controllers and data recorders allowed.
Tires
1. Any slick up to a 30 x 10.5" sidewall designation allowed.
2. "W" tires are not allowed.
3. DOT tires up to a 12.50" sidewall designation allowed.
4. Hoosier tire, part number 18192D05 will not be allowed.
5. Wheel width may not exceed 13 inches.
Lettering/Decals
1. Sponsorship and decals limited to windows and rear quarter panels only
Weights
1. All cars must weigh 3200 lbs with driver
2. Small block N/A or w/ nitrous only, gets 400 lb weight break.
3. ANY CAR ADD 100lbs FOR WHEELIE BARS.
All NHRA chassis and safety rules apply
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- I haven't been on the net in a week or so. Thanks for the congrads on the baby. Rules look great, Robert your still in left field, and Sneed crew, I'll call later today... -- Chad Revia, 11:43:03 12/19/07 Wed [2]
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- A big congrats to Chad R. and his family on the new baby boy. Should make for a great Christmas! -- Jason, 13:34:45 12/17/07 Mon [2]
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- On the interior section, does it mean that the wheel tubs and rear sheet metal has to be covered with carpet? -- Terry, 11:52:51 12/17/07 Mon [2]
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- doug are you going to run this class in your car, or have you found a car yet ? -- tt, 20:22:39 12/11/07 Tue [12]
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- Limited Street??? -- Key, 15:38:53 12/14/07 Fri [2]
You know?… I always wonder why it is that when there are questions about a class that is starting that everyone comes out of the woodwork with suggestions. Weather they are actually racing or not, they try to influence everything in their favor. Weather it’s dash’, hoods, wings, weight breaks etc. All of which seem to distract from what’s really at hand. Or the rules are influenced to fit a select few locals. The OSCRA rules seem pretty basic, this is what makes them successful organization. If you subscribe to their basic rules then if and when this group gets together then we could go put the whippin on those guys without having to do any major adjusting. People complain about having to make adjustments to fit the rules, make’em,,if you want to race. Regardless of the class/rules, adjustments will have to be made. It’s part of racing. As for Wings, glass, lexan, front ends..etc…Does it really matter?. I mean really matter. 2” on a wing wow!, Fiberglass , still have to make the weight limit, and they will sell it to anyone. I can understand the 1 piece front end as far as the look for the class. I have seen true street cars on the street with fiberglass, wings etc..Hell!…I’ve even seen chassis cars with blowers on the street. As for what spectators want to see…They can tell from the stands, After all …This is not a true spectator sport at this level… Then as always, there’s someone out there that always wants to limit the whole group because they feel they cant afford it or they don’t want to make any changes. Well guess what it’s not the John Doe or Jane Smith class…there is a group…. No matter what the rules you cant fit everyone under the umbrella…some one needs to take over, set the rules, and run with it. Let them make the adjustments…I will…on top of that I’d even race for Free…that’s right Free… Why limit yourselves and others with a selfish agenda…this is an opportunity to be able to compete not only on a local level but across the southeast as well. Just remember that Outlaw 10.5 was born from super street style cars …that’s basically what we are talking about here…This has the potential to be big …That is of course unless you guys want to kill it before it gets going with the crying, whining, and manipulative behavior of selfishness…Lets get it together and show’em what we can do…Before anyone asks…I do have a car matter of fact 2 that will fit in the class…Not just a rambler with a keyboard….
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- In my opinion, you should allow Lexan, Aluminum Dash's and bolt on fiberglass fenders and ect. You need to attract as many cars as possible to this class in this area. This class had car count issues when it was ran at the TTT5 races. A bunch of ORSCA style rules will run off existing cars in this area, that could add to your car count. If some of these guys with more money than sense want to go run ORSCA then let them. Texas really needs to do its on thing, not worry about what rules they have on the other end of the United States. If they like their rules then let them drive way the hell over there to race. -- Robert Lane, 22:33:02 12/09/07 Sun [22]
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- Texas needs to do their own thing?!?!?! You mean like the West coast does with outlaw 10.5? They allow fiberglass, tube chassis cars to run O/L. Where else can they run BUT on the west coast?!?! And as far as more money than sense, what do you think would happen if alot of the current front runners transfer their cars (being that they have more money than sense) to the fiberglass, wheelie bar, gutted out car that YOU claim legal. TOTAL domination of the class!!! As it is now, a few of us run 4.8-4.9's WITH OUT BARS. Most of the time is 5.0's. With fiberglass and wheelie bars you gonna see 4.7's like clock work! Do you REALLY think that "existing cars", as you call'em, are gonna show up if they know they don't have a chance in hell to win??? I think not Mr. Lane. No offense Robert or Will, but if you guys can afford to build a new alum. big duke motor, I'm sure y'all can afford to buy a factory front end and dash... -- Chad Revia. (the crybaby), 08:16:18 12/10/07 Mon
- wheelie bars -- justin martin, 16:30:36 12/10/07 Mon
 I think the purpose of this class is being forgot -- J, 17:09:11 12/10/07 Mon
- Robert, If you have had any experience with either of those devices, you would know that you have to have a baseline tune where the car WON'T wheelie or spin the tires before they work and it better be your fastest pass, cause it will start slowing you down from there. You have to pull all your nitrous timing out of your first retard because these devices need your other two retards off the MSD box so they can work. Also you have to set how much they will take out when they activate. Everyone has all the answers about traction control and wheelie control, but few, if ANY actually have any experience with them. Whenever someone excells, everyone is quick to belittle their accomplishments with accusations like these. I can tell you for a FACT that Hoyle does'nt use either of these devices and neither does Dillard or Szabo. (NT) -- Matt Cook, 08:00:24 12/11/07 Tue
- Why would they use it to collect data. The racepak is so much more sensitive? I've been trying to sell my wheelie control and traction control box for over a year with absolutley no luck. Wheelie control $350, Traction control $2000. both are like brand new in the boxes..... Mike's car is almost ready. We'll be running Limited street and stock suspension. Along with Paco and the Fuglers from Mississippi. (NT) -- Matt, 10:13:42 12/11/07 Tue
- Fulton single 4bbl intake for conventional heads with 2 foggers w/ Dominator carb, along with vacuum pump, Aluminum radiator, 3000cfm electric fan, CSI water pump, Magnaflow fuel pump and filter & regulator, 3.20, 3.40 and 3.50 9" big pinion gears, NOS fill station, many 10lb bottles, Innovate Motorsports datalogger with 8 individual O2 sensors, and 2 bottle pressure sensors, 6 Digiset timers, NOS wiring panel, NOS arming switch panel, NOS timer, Flow tool & Gauge, NOS pressure gauges, #6 hose with fittings. NOS activation switches etc, nos jets. All of these parts are from Mike Croix's leaf spring car that went 5.01 & 7.71 @ 183.. -- Matt Cook, 18:21:05 12/12/07 Wed [2]
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- Issues on Rules -- Doug, 12:37:19 11/28/07 Wed [23]
Main difference I see on rules between us, ORSCA, & Maximum Impact are wheelie bars, fiberglass body panels, and 2 front seats. These are the MAIN differences. I talked with Mike @ Maximum Impact and he did not have an issue with fiberglass doors. ORSCA does not allow fiberglass doors. I do not care one way or another. Gotta weigh 3200lbs. ORSCA requires 2 front seats, Maximum Impact does not. Again, I do not care one way or anther. I can put a seat in or pull it out. ORSCA does not allow wheelie bars, Maximum Impact does. I personally would like to use wheelie bars. It just takes one track thats a little tighter than usual or missed setup and you are on your back bumper. I haven't seen to many cars servive without damage after riding the bumper. I know it makes racing more intersting without the bars, but I am trying to keep cars in. Not get them tore up. We can vote on this at our meeting hopefully within the next couple of weeks.
So how many cars for next year.? Do we have enough to make this work ?
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- next year -- Chad Revia, 13:37:01 11/28/07 Wed
- Will be ready! (NT) -- Josh, 17:22:44 11/28/07 Wed
- I think you should allow bars and fiberglass frontends. There are plenty of Texas cars that will play if you allow bars and fiberglass frontends. (NT) -- LS racers, 18:24:15 11/28/07 Wed
- My car should be ready. Also Doug if you need any help with the class let me know. I own a chassis shop and can help with teching cars and what not to ensure eveyone confines to the rules. 972-754-3323 -- JamesB, 19:17:39 11/28/07 Wed
- if i fit the rules i will be there..alot of the guys who will run this class local will not travel 3 states away to run orsca..i hope to the old tt5 limited rules in place or a close version. -- big will, 21:31:35 11/28/07 Wed
- My two cents on the rules, Matt and I were talking the other day and we both think that why not use the rules from the HIGH Velocity race in Houston last October it was a mix of ORSCA, TTT5 and a few other changes like fiberglass front ends etc, if you rule out some ORSCA cars what if we have a big race in the Dallas area and they cant race ? Johnny has said that if a car comes to race with ORSCA and theres a couple of small differences hes not going to turn them away from racin, hell his LS cars dont care who they race bars or not, lets not kill this class before it even gets goin, If you want to run under the KOTH flag then lets to our best to accomadate everyone... just my opinion (NT) -- David/KOTH, 21:08:07 11/29/07 Thu
- Rules -- T . Diaz, 13:49:40 11/30/07 Fri
- well the way i read the ORSCA rules is fiberglass body panels and hood, deck lid, bumper and inner fenders can be fiberglass does isnt that the same thing as a bolt together fiberglass front end ?? i may be wrong, there is a class that allows them its in California in fact they had a car at HV click h ere for the orsca body rules -- David/KOTH, 17:43:22 11/30/07 Fri
- I would say if the hood seperates from the fenders and front facia, its not a 1 piece front end. n/m -- JamesB, 20:55:16 11/30/07 Fri
- orsca suppose to be changing the weight to 3100 and 2700 for next yeat -- A. Floyd, 05:07:07 12/01/07 Sat
- ac tualy they are talking about a 1% tolerance in the wieghts due to the cars that are 25.2 certified up to 3200 lbs ONLY (NT) -- David/KOTH, 06:04:46 12/01/07 Sat
- Meeting this Saturday 7pm. Brian... can we get the restaurant ? -- Doug Adams, 12:09:49 12/10/07 Mon [3]
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- Casa Robles 419 W Bedford Euless Rd Hurst -- David/KOTH, 18:30:47 12/11/07 Tue [3]
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- Weight break for 4.6 Ford Turbo combination -- ShadowLands, 21:54:12 12/11/07 Tue [1]
Curious to know if there could be a weight break for a 281" four valve turbocharged combination.
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- roll up windows should be a must in this class. threre are no cars i know of come from the factory that dont have roll up and down windows , also have not seen a car from the factory with glass front ends and doors . but if you let glass front ends and doors they should not have a alm block or a round tube front end .. my two cents all other line them up . -- tony thorn, 11:57:01 12/05/07 Wed [2]
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- CHAD -- DWS II (SNEED CREW), 16:36:10 12/11/07 Tue [2]
Hey man, Give me a call or email me, i need to talk with you... 817-385-8833 Donald or dws@profile-eng.com
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- limited street -- Chad Revia, 09:10:42 12/03/07 Mon [6]
Will, I never said that lexan shouldn't be legal in l/s. What I said was fiberglass front ends shouldn't be legal in l/s. Go read the post again. What I clearly state is that, if my car had the combination of: lexan windows, fiberglass front end, and wheelie bars, I would run 4.8-4.7's every hit down the track. I'm not saying that lexan shouldn't be legal, I'm saying that when you combine the weight savings of lexan, fiberglass, and the crutch of a wheelie bar, you make it possible to add weight where it really counts. Not to mention that your COMPLETELY taking away the attraction of what this class is! People DO NOT want to pay their hard earned money to come see another outlaw 10.5 class! They want to come see factory bodied cars (like they may have in their garage at home) on small tires, doing the impossible! You guys can do what you want with the class. I will not give my opinion anymore. If I think the rules are fare, I'll come race, if not I wont'.. Simple... PS: I get humor out of the fact that racers think fiberglass cars, gutted out, lexan windows,etc etc don't matter in our class.... Ya know, at one time there was a such thing as a "pro street car". I'm pretty sure they're now promods. There used to be a such thing as a "outlaw 10.5 car". They're now "extreme 10.5".. Why don't we just skip a step or two and call our class outlaw 10.5... That's where it's heading if you don't tighten the ranes... Good luck guys.
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- i reread the post ..you said only wheelie bars should be allowed -- mr.obvious, 06:41:11 12/04/07 Tue
- Chad, You are right on the money with your post. When we started TORA back in the day, all of the front suspension pieces had to bolt in the stock location! Also Mr. Fulton told us NOT to build a 706 cause it was too much motor for that little tire! A big set was 102 1/2 roll out. Now they come brand new at 104' - 105' new and grow 1.75'+ after two passes! The problem is people just see the class for THIS race or this season. They are not thinking about next year, or the year after. READ on....... -- Matt Cook, 08:48:16 12/04/07 Tue
- One more thing. The "no double frame rail type cars" rule is assinine. You want to put your friend, Child, Dad etc. in a 3200 lb object that can go 160 mph without all the protection they can get? Concentrate on things that really effect the performance and keep them as safe as possible. I.E, wheelie bars, lightweight body parts that effect weight distribution, keeping factory rear frame rails, keeping tire roll out under control. These are issue's that will effect performance. If people thought less about the glory pass and turned it down and made the trip, then tearing up cars because of no wheelie bars would'nt be a concern. (NT) -- Matt Cook, 09:08:05 12/04/07 Tue
- I get humor out of you thinking you are the spokes person for Limited Street. -- Robert, 09:36:55 12/11/07 Tue
- Board now online -- Racer, 15:04:40 11/17/07 Sat [3]
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- Count me in............... -- Lamar Swindoll, 17:11:54 12/07/07 Fri [6]
"NO FIBERGLASS FRONTENDS AND NO WHEELIE BARS" thats limited street.....
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- If you have a car in the shop setting up for next year...If you go by ORSCA rules to set your car up, you will be in good shape...that should answer most questions. Wheelies bars-----------> probably allowed in 2008, but not in 2009. Gives you a whole year to figure it out. -- Doug Adams, 21:05:57 12/07/07 Fri [2]
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- Doug, Brian, Jason, etc, If yall plan on keeping this class under KOTH's umbrella, use KOTH as leverage with some big companies. With the consolidation of KOTH, ORSCA, and Hance; companies know who KOTH is! Stress the point that this is a GROWING series with national exposure. Many mags as well as cable shows (ie-horsepower tv etc) will cover this class. With the right presentation, sponsorships shouldn't be hard to obtain. Maybe somebody on here has ties with a printing company and can maybe help put something together. I would FIRST form a commity to over see rules, points, web site, etc etc... If your going to do this, it must be done right, or not at all. Companies don't wanna deal with loose ends, they want something solid and marketable. Just some ideas..... -- Chad Revia., 09:13:44 12/06/07 Thu [7]
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- oooops, sorry for the typo. Commity should read Committee... I got brain freese this am.... -- Chad Revia., 09:18:24 12/06/07 Thu
- All this will be discussed at our first meeting... I wanted to make sure we have an organization before spending to much time and effort. My goal is to get this class started, then have a non racer/car owner run the organization as part of a 3 man committee. Thats my goal anyway. (NT) -- Doug Adams, 10:53:52 12/06/07 Thu
- Have you ever been to Nascar? Marketing #1 priority. Spectators love to know your name and what car you drive. They can talk and relate to each other about the race that way. Spectators are the key! They have no idea or care who has a tube frontend, they want to see speed and near crashes!! I personally would like the speed only, but I will take my chances. Our website should have pics of the cars and drivers profile. I have a few webdesign friends that can help out with this in the future. We can gather pics of the cars and driver when our first race starts and go from there......Smile!! You too Malouf!! (NT) -- Brian Longacre, 12:39:25 12/06/07 Thu
- Brian it sounds like you need to race in an organization like the ADRL. They are the people with loose rules and may fit your needs better. The class should be the same as ORSCA limited street. Those are what 90% of the cars built have gone by. All that fiberglass and stuff does not belong here. Its a no brainer! (NT) -- Jason, 16:31:25 12/06/07 Thu
- Jason, I am sorry to inform you that my Camaro has only a glass hood. I have steel bumpers, fenders,trunk lid, floor pan, dash, real glass winshield front and back and weighs 3200 with both front seats. Where did you get your information from? The haters? (NT) -- Brian Longacre, 18:20:19 12/06/07 Thu
- Thats exactly how a limited street car is supposed to be Brian. I just don't want to see cars with fiberglass front ends and stuff like that. Fans are smarter than you think when it comes to the race cars and what looks factory and what doesn't. (NT) -- Jason, 21:08:19 12/06/07 Thu
- TO ALL LIMITED STREET RACERS -- JeremyG, 23:10:23 12/04/07 Tue [2]
Look guys, ttt5 failed miserably with limited. I'm not going into specifics either, if it wasn't appearent, please don't ask.Brian and Doug's plan to run limited with King of the Hill is right on. East coast ,west coast, up north, everyone else who runs limited runs it with outlaw 10.5. Now lots of us (sorry) US,have seen the east coast guys run,and SOME of them are pretty darn fast, but let's not short change ourselves.First, Al was correct that those guys will probably not show for what the payout will start out being,if they even show at all.Second,let's look at suggestions that Chad has offered.Tom's in there to.I'm looking at afew posts and seeing what could be a really good foundation for something to get started off on.Lots of you guys have ran with the small tires from the git-go, you have loads of advice to go on.Why can't we all try to meet on some common ground and get something concrete to work off of? Hey, y'all that are reading and not posting, where are y'all at?Let's GIT-R-DONE!!!
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- I don't even know why there would be a problem with setting the rules? Just make them the same as ORSCA and if you want to allow the bars then so be it. I wouldn't suggest running the bars but for maybe the first year. That is the fun thing about watching the limited class out east! The fiberglass rules should be the same as theirs! This has worked for a long time now. -- Jason, 15:36:44 12/05/07 Wed [2]
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- Limited Street racers who plan on racing, please send your email address to me --> Limited10.5@live.com <-- also send make and model of car you plan to race along with engine cubic inch( unless its personal) No engine information will be distributed on this or any other message board by me. Thanks. -- Doug Adams, 13:08:26 12/05/07 Wed [1]
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- All of ya'll that are saying you'd just be happy to race, I have a question for you. How long will you take getting put out first round? Think about this. Not picking on anyone, but take Justin Curry, on wheelie bars he runs 4.84 like a slot machine. Without the bars, he goes 4.95 - 5.00, with the occasional knocking the tire's off pass. Which has the higher probability of a mistake? -- Matt Cook, 08:15:05 12/05/07 Wed [3]
It's no different here than it was in TORA. We dissolved because we did'nt have a full field at that races. We took everyone's suggestions for rules. Put them out and allowed everyone to vote on them. Guy's that wanted certain concessions in the rules to fit their combo's did'nt think about what someone else would do with those same concessions. Then they got tired of being first round fodder. Find someone who does'nt know about Nick Scavo's Impala? Why? IT LOOKED LIKE IT WOULD BE OUT ON A SATURDAY NIGHT! It looked like a car that they had/have/like that runs 11.50's. They ask themselves "How does he get it to run that fast"? They will keep buying ticket's to the races and keep telling their friend's about it. THAT SECURE'S US A PLACE TO RACE! The people that we want in the stands are not the people who know how to make it run that fast, but the people who DON'T know how. Why? They outnumber the others 1000 to one. Guy's I'm pleading with you to look past your own deal and look to the future. Don't let this class get destroyed like Outlaw has.
See ya'll at the races with roll up windows and without wheelie bars. Hope to see ya'll there for many years to come.
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- brian longace ....who is puting this class together , you or is it doug adems ? thanks -- tony thorn, 13:10:45 12/04/07 Tue [4]
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- Food for thought -- Texas Racewerks, 08:47:26 12/05/07 Wed [2]
The goal here is to get cars to the race track. There are a few things that need to be handled to get that done. We can bicker about rules forever, but the fact of the matter is if there is no venue to race at and no money to be paid out then we have no race. I think with the group of gentleman that are willing to run in this type of class there is enough inteligience to all decide on a set of rules that will be fair to all. If we run this thing with KOTH the venues are kind of set to certain degree as long as the nights we pick there will be enough time to get both programs done. The next order of business is to the tracks on the nights we would like to run on and see if they are willing to throw any dough toward our program. If they are then we are getting somewhere. If not then we have to procure money from other sources in order to to have something to give the winner, RU and so on. I can assure you that the tracks are not going to carry the whole load no matter what. With that in mind this class will need help just like KOTH. The tracks do not carry there entire load either. Sponsors are the key and there is money out there it just has to be found. I believe there are enough racers willing to put the effort into this class, but it will take everybody supporting the same common goal. I feel that taking care of this part is equally as important as a set of rules. Not everybody is going to agree on everything but a set of rules is available to fit every car. That means that some guy will have to do a little to his car and some guy might have to do alot to their car. Those people will have to decide how bad they want run with this org. Sacrifices will have to be made by all. Food for thought for the day. Texas RaceWerks
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- Tom Malouf asked me to move his reply to the top of the board he meant to post a new messazge not reply -- Tom & Bryan Malouf, 19:22:52 12/04/07 Tue [2]
First of all,i dont think anyone would disagree that all of us want a class that fits between extreme street and outlaw 10.5 .How do we do this fairly i dont know but its not going anywhere the way we are approaching it now. In a perfect world,we would have a ton of cars in the class with everone happy but we know thats not going to happen.We need all the out of town people we can get to race with us to have a good car count at every race. We dont need to run them off before it starts. It will be tough to have a consistent car count on fridays. Most all of us work for a living and dont have a 4 day work week. I see saturday is the only way for the car count to be consistent. Concerning the rules,and to eliminate the controversy on the fiberglass front end, just say no to fiberglass fenders and the same with fiberglass doors and that should eliminate all the controversy. If someone like me wants to race, i will have to put steel fenders back on the car or not race and the same with ones with fiberglass doors. Thats as fair as it can get on that issue. A after market look a like dash should not be a factor as long as its stock appearing and not just sheet metal. I have glass in my car but dont have a problem with lexan for fear of hurting the car count which if its not good, nobody willbe racing. My opinion on wheelie bars is if you dont allow them , you wont have enough cars to race. If someone like me cant make the changes to a fair set of rules, then go run another class like dfw outlaws, king of the hill, or just test n tune . We cant create the perfect class for everone without everone giving a little bit. As far as a time and place for a meeting, I think any weekend prior to christmas is not good due to family and work christmas partys. If you come up with a set of rules that are not working after the first race, then make adjustments. Hope everone has a safe holiday. Tom & Bryan Malouf
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- LIMITED STREET. Should be just that, limited. -- out of state true 10.5 racer, 09:46:33 12/04/07 Tue [1]
The orsca let this class get out of hand back east. Put the limit back in the class. wheelie bars ok. 4 limks ok. no one piece fiberglass/carbonfiber front ends. Dashes, i dont care if it is stock or metal. My stand is to LIMIT the POWER. Keep out the big bore space 700+ type motors. Limit the turbo sizes for twins and single. Blower restriction. If you control those issues more cars would compete. Bring back the LIMITED to the class. That will help keep the little guy racing. Another post said look at the future and not just today. I agree but also look at the past and see what hurt the other classes and kept them from growing. Lets not make the same mistakes of others.
Race events should be held on Saturdays. To hard for out of town racers and fans to make a race held on a Friday. Can not make your meeting because i live hours away. When you are making rules look at the big picture and not just YOUR car and what is good for only YOU. Thanks for your time and make us proud of your decisions.
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- wing rule -- JeremyG, 21:47:43 12/02/07 Sun [1]
I think the rule should read: Aluminum wings allowed up to 17"-no pro mod style wings allowed.This is really a safety issue, not a performance issue. I understand that a 15" to 17" wing on the late model mustangs and camaros doesn't LOOK "street car", but watch one of these cars run the numbers without one and no one will want to be in the opposite lane against them, and hope that they don't crash into you.Besides, your not going to et or mph any better in a 1/8th mile with a few extra inches.I just think it's more of a safety issue.
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- Rules -- Doug, 16:44:18 11/25/07 Sun [16]
Class Description
1. Limited Street is a heads-up class designed for cars originally built from a major car manufacturer.
2. Cars will compete on a .400 Pro-Tree
3. Eliminations will run on a Pro ladder.
Body
1. Must be stock looking
2. Fiberglass Limited to doors, hood, deck lid, and bumpers.
3. No one piece fiberglass front ends.
4. No front clips
5. Forward facing hood scoops allowed.
6. Lexan front windshields door glass and rear windshields will be allowed .
7. Factory spoilers allowed.
8. Aftermarket wings will be allowed with a maximum length of 12 inches from rear deck lid.
9. Factory Grill and headlights required.
10. Inner fenders are required but may be notched for header or roll bar clearance.
11. Stock factory floor pans required to reach the rear most point of door jam.
Interior
1. Factory look.
2. Stock dash and dash pad, carpet, and both front seats in stock location. (passenger seat
may be removed only if inner cooler or nitrious bottle is mounted where passenger seat would be.)
3. Rear seat not required but all flooring must be carpeted.
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Front Chassis/Suspension
1. Stock front frame rails and suspension required.
2. No double frame rail type cars allowed
3. Aftermarket control arms and bushings allowed as long as they bolt in stock locations.
4. Rack and Pinion steering allowed.
5. Aftermarket coil over shocks allowed and aftermarket direct replacement struts are allowed, but must bolt in stock location with the exception of aftermarket K-member.
6. In the case of K-member cars, the upper control arm must bolt in stock location, but the K-member and lower control arms must still be removable.
7. After market bolt in sub-frames not allowed.
8. Cross member may be notched for oil pan clearance.
Ride Height
4" Mimimum in front of front tires
Rear Chassis/Suspension
1. Old school back half
2. Any type rear suspension allowed.
3. Wheelie bars are allowed
Firewall
1. Stock firewall in stock location and floor pan to door jam behind front seat.
2. Smoothing of firewall for appearance is allowed.
3. No part of engine may touch stock position firewall.
Engine
1. Any engine combination and power adders allowed.
2. Engine must be in stock location.
3. Motor plates and solid mounts allowed.
4. Mufflers required for all cars except turbocharged entries. Turbo exhaust should be directed toward rear of car and must exit a minimum of 12 inches behind the front axle centerline.
Transmission
1. Any OEM type automatic or manual transmissions allowed.
2. No Brunos or Lencos.
3. Air shifters and trans-brakes are allowed.
Electrical
1. Stock headlights and tail lights are required and must be functional.
2. No optical sensors, delay boxes and electrical or pneumatic throttle stops are not allowed.
3. Progressive nitrous controllers and data recorders allowed.
Tires
1. Any slick up to a 30 x 10.5" sidewall designation allowed.
2. "W" tires are not allowed.
3. DOT tires up to a 12.50" sidewall designation allowed.
4. Hoosier tire, part number 18192D05 will not be allowed.
5. Wheel width may not exceed 13 inches.
Lettering/Decals
1. Sponsorship and decals limited to windows and rear quarter panels only
ALL WEIGHTS ARE WITH CAR AND DRIVER
1. All cars must weigh 3200 lbs
2. Small block N/A or w/ nitrous only gets 400 lb weight break.
All NHRA chassis and safety rules apply
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- 8. Aftermarket wings will be allowed with a maximum length of 12 inches from rear deck lid. (NT) -- JamesB, 16:59:14 11/25/07 Sun
- That sucks! Most every mustang out there has a Skinney Kid or Racecraft wing at 15 inches. Where talking petty ground force improvements here. I know of 4 mustangs thaqt want to run this class and every one of them has a 15 inch wing. Just something to think about, not complaining....too much. :) (NT) -- Josh, 17:03:05 11/25/07 Sun
- will the stoc looking fiberglass dashes be allowed?i know many area cars that run orsca limited street have them.i cannot see allowing glass doors if you will not allow bolt on glass front ends....i liked the tt5 limit street rules except for the seat rule,allowing nos bottles in place of the seat is a good move. (NT) -- big will, 17:05:45 11/25/07 Sun
- Body rule # 10 eliminates a bunch of the 1st gen Camaros and 3rd gen Novas. Also I don't understand rule # 4 "No front clips". I thought all cars had a front clip. (NT) (NT) -- ., 17:07:24 11/25/07 Sun
- i do not have inner fenders either.. (NT) -- big will, 17:08:07 11/25/07 Sun
- car count -- David K, 22:28:02 11/26/07 Mon
- TTT5 continue's it's tradition of being unmarred by progress.......The allowance of wheelie bars is totally without any foresight. Where do ya'll think this stuff is headed? (NT) -- am coming WITHOUT bars!, 09:56:31 11/27/07 Tue
- please make the rules the same as they were for tt5 limited(ecept alow nos bottles in place of the seat).i will try to make all the races if you do..and i aint a "ringer"..i have never been in the 4's but like to race. -- big will, 21:59:10 11/27/07 Tue
- Just saw on Orsca they are no allowing up to a 17" rear wing in limited. I guess we can discuss this at the meeting. Thanks (NT) -- Josh, 10:30:22 11/28/07 Wed
- Rules -- JeremyG, 21:22:12 12/02/07 Sun
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 Justin "Bad Boy" Curry 4.84 @ 152 -- True 10.5 fan, 20:45:43 12/02/07 Sun [1]
Justin Curry ran a 4.84 last night @ HMP Last Night
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- CAR COUNT -- NEY, 21:02:29 11/28/07 Wed [7]
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- KOTH LIMITED STREET!!! -- DWS II (SNEED CREW), 13:37:30 12/01/07 Sat [3]
First things first. From all the RACERS, THANK YOU, to MATT and everyone with KOTH for adding LIMITED STREET to the organization.
Second, the rules should not be this hard to agree on. This class has been running long enough for everyone to KNOW what the rules should be. The only arguing point is and probably always will be WHEELIE BARS. I have never been to a TRUE 10.5 Limited Street race where they allowed cars to have Fiberglass front clips.
I would also like to see a Rules Committee created of maybe 5 racers that always show up. I love the little guys that show up and race every once in a while, but the rules should not be made to cater to someone that is not going to race more than 1 or 2 times a year. The rules should be as concise as possible with the exception of certain circumstances. If a racers comes to a single race and doesn¡¦t meet a particular rule, as long as that rule doesn¡¦t give him a serious competitive advantage he should be able to run that event, with the understand that that is a one time exception. If that same racer comes to another race he must be in compliance with all rules.
For all of you guys that think what Dillard and Hoyle are doing is ruining the class, stop crying. Scruggs has been the fastest promod in the world for years but he hasn¡¦t won the most races. We are not the fastest 10.5 car in Texas not even in Dallas, but we went to 7 finals this season and won 3 and Kyle was at all of them. This is drag racing and anything can happen. Consistence is the key to anything you do. So suck it up and come play!!!
Ps. Chad I hope ya¡¦ll get that thing to whistle like a jet, but not till after the finish line...
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- Texas Limited Street Races. -- Ron VanMeter, 22:24:21 11/26/07 Mon [1]
We are looking forward to making as many races as we can.
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- How many Limited 10.5 racers are there for next year? -- Doug Adams, 21:44:56 11/18/07 Sun [9]
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- the stock floor rule is great( not a stock floor that was cut out and patched back in) also a real front end on the car no removable front ends,and stock firewall ,not just in stock location, these are great for the class keeps the ringers out -- .., 13:37:25 11/24/07 Sat [1]
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- Doug Email me please thanks -- David/KOTH, 20:55:56 11/21/07 Wed [2]
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- It depends on the rules.No wheelie bars I'm out for sure. -- Scott (WTS), 07:14:04 11/19/07 Mon [4]
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- Is there going to be a meeting sometime soon? n/m -- JamesB, 19:46:33 11/21/07 Wed [3]
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- were are the rules -- jerry, 21:51:40 11/19/07 Mon [9]
would like to see the rules
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- L/S -- Chad Revia, 14:11:36 11/20/07 Tue [1]
So what's the status on getting this going?
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- Goal -- Doug Adams, 17:06:33 11/19/07 Mon [3]
The word is for Limited 10.5 to run with KOTH next year. TTT5 has dropped the class. It makes sense to run Limited 10.5 with outlaw 10.5 as other organizations do around the country. To do this we are going to need a car count. There wasn't one last year so most of the Limited 10.5 races were dropped up here. Houston seems to be doing well with 10.5 racing. When we get 10 or 11 cars spoken for, we will set up a meeting somewhere to ink out the details. Then we will get Matt and take it to the tracks. Payout will depend on tracks and sponsers(SPONSERS ARE WELCOME). We are looking at an 8 car field. If possible we need to get all this done before the KOTH meeting in January.
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- The problem with ttt5 was Friday racing that's the reason for poor car count -- Scott (WTS), 20:04:50 11/19/07 Mon [2]
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- My car will be ready in March to run limited. -- Josh, 15:35:10 11/19/07 Mon [1]
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- 10.5 RACING -- RODNEY WHATLEY, 07:42:31 11/19/07 Mon [3]
I PLAN TO RACE THIS CLASS , I AM BUILDING A 99 SS CAMARO IT SHOULD BE READY, I AM BUILDING PER THE TEXAS 10.5 LIMITED OUTLAW RULES, SO I HOPE THESE RULES WILL BE THE SAME
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- Limited street 10.5 -- Brian Longacre, 08:02:23 11/19/07 Mon [1]
I have a 70 Z-28 in the works for next years limited class. It's powered by last years Koth turbo truck engine and trans. Hopefully it will be finished by march. Brian Longacre
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