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Subject: Pageant Trivia EXTREME
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:33:30 09/16/24 Mon (syn-192-181-132-150.res.spectrum.com/192.181.132.150) Who wore the evening gown Marjorie Vincent wore as Miss Chicago 1988 at Miss Illinois 1988 in Atlantic City later that year as a state representative? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Pageant Trivia
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:49:23 09/16/24 Mon (NoHost/172.58.0.189) How about a little trivia to take our minds off all the drama … if that is possible. First up: Which Miss America was the first to express that she did not want to wear the crown often throughout her year? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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And what year were there three women among the top five finalists who all would hold the title of Miss America at some point? -- And more trivia----which Miss America was the first to appear on a box of Corn Flakes cereal?, 12:45:26 09/16/24 Mon (syn-071-013-135-158.biz.spectrum.com/71.13.135.158) 1. Leannza Cornett 2. 1923 : Margaret Gorman, Mary Catherine Campbell, and Ruth Malcolm's 3. Vanessa Williams. (NT) -- No name, 12:54:27 09/16/24 Mon (syn-065-188-072-053.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.53) Wrong year----(Miss America 1924, Ruth Malcomson was not in the top five in 1923)---the answer: The 1924 Miss America pageant when they saw three women who in their life were Miss America. -- --Mary Kathereine Campbell, Ruth Malcomson, and Fay Lanphier., 13:28:04 09/16/24 Mon (syn-071-013-135-158.biz.spectrum.com/71.13.135.158) I think #1 is Kate Shindle. (NT) -- No name, 14:21:19 09/16/24 Mon (184-100-144-50.lcrs.qwest.net/184.100.144.50)

Subject: Seven Years
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:00:54 09/15/24 Sun (NoHost/38.172.112.247) To understand where Miss America is today with the lawsuits and how far the Miss America program has spiraled into ruins, it’s important to understand the last seven years of the organization’s history. 1. In Jan 2018, the Forever Miss Americas banded together to start a new journey of running the Miss America program after Sam Haskell was ousted. There was 100% unity in the pageant community at this time and the hope and promise of an amazing future. 2. In summer 2018, the pageant was in turmoil as Gretchen Carlson and Regina Hopper hijacked the pageant and changed it to a new 2.0 version which eliminated swimsuit and the judging of physical beauty. 3. Cara Mund got the support of almost all of the pageant community with her outcry of being bullied by Gretchen and Regina. States banded together to try and stop Gretchen and Regina, except for the notable holdouts of Kay Alexander and Jan Mitchell who stayed silent. 4. A massive fundraising effort raised $50K for the legal defense fund for Jennifer Vaden Barth to fight the Miss America Org, but came up short on court victories in the end. 5. Gretchen Carlson and Regina Hopper racked up in excess of over $100K worth of legal bills to fight Jennifer Vaden Barth and the states legal fights. 6. Allison DeMarcus and her Tennessee Org are one of the franchises to be kicked out, only to move on and start the completely new Miss Volunteer America pageant system. 7. In Dec 2019, the Miss America contestants while in Connecticut are forced by Regina Hopper to sign statements acknowledging that Miss America can only pay for scholarships announced on stage if they have the money to pay for them. This leads to the “loophole” of the organization getting to announce scholarships that it legally doesn’t have to pay to the contestants in the end. 8. The Dec 2019 telecast by Regina Hopper and Brent Adams was the one and only time the pageant was “scripted,” with no real judging of finals night and a pre-written script with contestant placements already filled in before finals competition. 9. In 2020, Regina Hopper resigns, followed by the Board recognition of Gretchen Carlson several months later. Gretchen single-handedly passes on the leadership of Miss America to Shantel Krebs and announced her as CEO and Board Chair. 10. In late summer 2021, Shantel puts on a 100th Anniversary parade in a small Connecticut town, while the Miss America Foundation puts on a competing event in Atlantic City at the same time. 11. In Dec 2021, Shantel hosts the 100th Anniversary Miss America pageant in Connecticut, which will go down as perhaps the worst Miss America pageant in the history of the organization. This was also the first pageant not to be on television. 12. In Fall 2022, rumors swirl that Miss America is being sold. State EDs are all flown to Dallas for an all-expense paid weekend with new potential owner Jeffrey Hayzlett, who dreamed big for the future of Miss America back on television. 13. In Dec 2022, the Miss America Organization Board of Directors voted to sell Miss America to Robin Ross-Fleming. 14. In January 2023, Robin Ross-Fleming is announced as the new CEO of Miss America. Rumors swirl on the Voy message board that the real owner of Miss America is Glenn Straub. Google searches of Glenn Straub turn up horrible stories of his past. 15. Shantel Krebs tells members of the pageant community that if you want to know who really owns Miss America, to look up Glenn Straub. Robin-Ross Fleming tells the pageant community that she has enough money to run Miss America for the next 100 years. And here we are today….. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Gretchen Carlson had the connections, resources and the money to bring Miss America back to its glory days. What the hell does someone do with 20 million dollars in a lifetime? Instead she turned everything upside down by the "we're no longer going to judge our 'candidates' on their physical appearance. There was no way we would have ever had an unattractive, overweight Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 12:06:15 09/16/24 Mon (184-100-144-50.lcrs.qwest.net/184.100.144.50)

Subject: You Have Got to be Kidding
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:08:28 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/207.213.181.10) I have been pretty objective throughout the lawsuit fiasco and have withheld judgement until now. I had really hoped Robin was on the up and up and that she would prevail in the lawsuit. Not anymore. Here’s why. In the latest lawsuit that Robin filed against Glenn (103 pages by the way), Robin is now asserting that she did not take over the liability of the debt of the former MAO. In the lawsuit, it states. “While neither Fleming nor the Fleming Entities assumed the debts of MAO501C4, Fleming intended the Fleming Entities to resolve some obligations to preserve the reputation of Miss America and maintain necessary relationships.” Wow. Just wow. So you bought Miss America for $100 and that was it? You didn’t have to pay the 4.6 million dollars in debt? All that debt from the previous organization just goes away and you have no obligation to pay it? You are only going to pay some of it because you want to “preserve the reputation of Miss America and maintain necessary relationships”? I really have no words. Lack of integrity at its finest. I’ve come to the conclusion that the sale of Miss America to whoever bought it was fraudulent. MAO had no intention of paying their bills and neither did Robin, even though she signed a paper saying she would take care of all the debt. This just screams criminal to me at this point. This whole sale of Miss America now seems like it was done to magically make all the debt go away. Robin clearly thinks she is the owner and clearly thinks she was not responsible for the debt. Just when you think we can’t go any lower… [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Isn't this what has always been said? Did you think this was new information? (NT) -- No name, 15:25:29 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/128.163.239.160) The purchase price for the Assets (the "Purchase Price") shall be cash equal to One Hundred and 00/100 U.S. Dollars ($100.00), and other good and valuable consideration, plus a Buyer reserve of Four Million One Hundred Sixty Thousand Seven Hundred Thirty-Six and 79/100 U.S. Dollars ($4,160,736.79), a sum that is equal to Seller's total outstanding debt due creditors ("Seller Debt") and further described in Exhibit B - Seller's Debts. Buyer acknowledges Seller has cash and accounts receivable which shall be added to the "Buyer's Reserve" and shall be used for operations, to settle debts, and any other undisclosed debt under Ten Thousand and 00/100 ($10,000.00). + appsgp.m... EXHIBIT (NT) -- No name, 15:53:28 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/207.213.181.10) Payment of the Purchase Price. The Purchase Price shall be paid by Buyer as follows: (i) One Hundred and 00/100 U.S. Dollars ($100.00) paid by Buyer to Seller at Closing; (11) A reserve for the Seller Debt listed on Exhibit "B," subject to Buyer's absolute and unconditional right to negotiate the amounts, legitimacy, legality and accuracy of the Seller Debt with each of Seller's creditors. If Buyer is successful through negotiation and/or litigation in reducing the Seller Debt, Buyer shall receive a dollar-for-dollar credit against the reserve for every dollar that Buyer is successful in reducing the Seller Debt. Any portion of the Seller Debt that remains due creditors after Buyer's negotiations and legal challenges to the Seller Debt shall be paid by Buyer directly to the appropriate creditors Litigation and collection expenses shall not offset the total funds available in the Buyer's reserve,. Buyer shall obtain a Release of all Claims from each creditor; (NT) -- No name, 15:57:45 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/207.213.181.10) Above is the actual language of what Robin signed to become the owner. That clearly says something very different than intending to resolve “some obligations” that would maintain the reputation of Miss America. What Robin is now claiming is absurd! (NT) -- No name, 16:03:06 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/207.213.181.10) Actually thelanguage is consistent with what she put in the pleading since she gets to determine the legitimacy, legality etc of any charted debts thereby rendering all charted debts to some obligations. English. (NT) -- No name, 09:33:02 09/14/24 Sat (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) The language is absolutely not consistent. She could have easily said in her lawsuit that she was paying debts that were legitimate and legal. That would make sense. However, she said she is paying the ones that impact the reputation and relationships of Miss America. That is HIGLY unethical. Please don’t gaslight me. (NT) -- No name, 17:44:50 09/14/24 Sat (NoHost/207.213.181.10) No need to be Miss Smarty Pants. The whole situation is bad for everyone (NT) -- No name, 02:17:06 09/14/24 Sat (48.sub-174-193-200.myvzw.com/174.193.200.48) As I have always said, Shantel "FABULOUS 100th" Crebs is an idiot in business who sold out Miss America. (NT) -- Justice takes years, but I want to see her pay for killing Miss America, 15:58:44 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/146.75.223.122) Any portion of the Seller Debt that remains due creditors after Buyer's negotiations and legal challenges to the Seller Debt shall be paid by Buyer directly to the appropriate creditors. BINGO. There’s your answer. (NT) -- No name, 16:13:35 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/38.172.112.247) Anyone who still supports Robin is a fool (NT) -- No name, 16:53:23 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/4.78.243.242) sounds like she made an excellent business deal. Funds pledged in order to negotiate with debtors and impact of last line you cite to be determined. Nothing unusual about this type of arrangement. You must not have every acquired a business or sold one. Funny that you have no outrage that these debts were incurred in the first place thru mismanagement by Gretchen and Regina, Shantel and Sam. The Bryan Cave bill is due to G&R's incompetence. The fact that MAF is not included is on Shantel. This is strictly business. The other 102 pages are shocking. If you stand by Glenn ask yourself if it his the racism, bigotry or misogyny or flat out corruption that attracts you. (NT) -- No name, 18:48:32 09/13/24 Fri (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) I promise you I am not on Glenn’s side. Trust me, I know how disastrous the leadership has been since Gretchen took over in 2018. Huge outrage there. However, I am no longer on Robin’s side either. Her lawsuit clearly states she is only paying the debts of those who it benefits the reputation of Miss America. She has had the right to negotiate and get the costs down, but at the end of the day she is responsible to pay off all remaining debts. There is currently a debt of 900K to Bryan Cave. If she is truly the owner of Miss America, then she needs to pay it now. It’s way overdue. (NT) -- No name, 19:58:00 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/207.213.181.10) How much is owed to the contestants in scholarships from the 100th Anniversary year including the 100th Anniversary Miss America? Is that what she meant by paying only those debts that pertain to the reputation of Miss America? Causes there are a lot of contestants who have gotten screwed out of their scholarships. I would think to preserve MAO's reputation they should have been paid FIRST. (NT) -- A lot of contestant debt could have been paid with that missing $200,000., 01:05:39 09/14/24 Sat (ec2-54-215-221-185.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com/54.215.221.185) The scholarships are not part of the debt outlined in the purchase agreement. Perhaps they should have been but they are not listed nor included in the pledged amount. The MAF played the shell game to stay relevant and now the unfunded scholarships of the past are not on the ledger. MAF failed in their duties. Shantel and her BOD failed in their duties. Not Robin's problem.The Pledge situation allows Robin to negotiate and determine the legitimacy of each claimed debt and those she determines are legal she will pay on her timetable as you see there is no deadline for that to happen. Seems you think she has to pay asap but that is not the deal. VEry telling that out of those 100 pages this is what you focus on. I suggest you read the Kerri Will lawsuit based on Straubs' attempt to put her into a sex for money contract, got her fired when she refused. (NT) -- No name, 09:31:15 09/14/24 Sat (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) Very telling bringing up MAF. In order to pay MAO contestants any of their scholarships they (MAF) need to received said monies from Robin and that didnt happen after several requests. "But she had enought money to run Miss America fo 100 years but wasn't going pay Scholarship? That didnt happen. True owner owes the contestants. Before Laylah could purchase USA All debt had to be settled. Its the same . (NT) -- I wish Kerri well, but unless she is owed scholarship money from MAO , Her fight is not my fight., 10:50:56 09/14/24 Sat (ec2-54-193-198-179.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com/54.193.198.179) Business deals do not work that way. Sorry. What Laylah agreed to is irrelevant. The sales agreement between MAOShantel and Robin made zero mention of scholarships owed or funds owed by MAOShantel to MAF. Therefore not legally obligated to pay them either directly or as part of the charted debts to which the pledge applied. Sorry. That is the case. MAF should have demanded publicly that Shantel actually turn over the funds for the scholarship awards she announced. Shantel kept announcing them but no monies went to MAF and they went along with pretending they were awarding scholarships. The four corners of a contract control the offer, acceptance and consideration. NOWHERE are the scholarships noted in the agreement Robin and Shantel etc signed. That is a real shame I know but that is on the former MAO and MAF leadership. (NT) -- No name, 12:59:13 09/14/24 Sat (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) Thank you for your insight. As I see it, as a former donor, a National program book was published and sold to thousands that listed scholarship amounts to be awarded by MAO. Whomever owns that name is responsible for this debt. (NT) -- I don't see MAF as the bad guy. I know girls who got their checks from MAF, Not from MAO tho., 13:55:39 09/14/24 Sat (ec2-3-145-136-100.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/3.145.136.100) Shantel led MAO represented to the world in that program book that it was awarding scholarships thru MAF but they never gave MAF the money. Why? Did MAO expect MAF to fund raise? Why did MAF si on the sidelines and year after year go along with this misprepresntation. The Girls owed money should sue Shantell and the MAO board members. I think Delaware allows suits for a few years against dissolved corporations. MAF should also be suing Shantel and her gang. But debts do not pass automatically. Sorry that is just how it is. I too wish Shantel actually funded the scholarships she announced but it is not Robin's responsibility. (NT) -- No name, 14:13:15 09/14/24 Sat (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) Its not just the100th Anniversary year, its also Grace's year which is definitely under Robin's watch. I sincerely want to hear from the girls that year as well. Did Anyone get paid? Did Grace get paid? Someone needs to advocate for these young women. They should sue Shantel and their states programs (NT) -- Its false advertising when girls dont collect their $. I know I will never refer another young lady., 22:53:59 09/14/24 Sat (ec2-54-183-182-72.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com/54.183.182.72) Robin did not own the pageant when Grace was crowned did she? If not how are those scholarship debts hers? (NT) -- No name, 10:14:05 09/16/24 Mon (c-73-74-207-142.hsd1.il.comcast.net/73.74.207.142) Do the state directors in MAO are hog-tied due to an NDA-my state pageant hasn't responded to any of my questions and my former home state local only can be contacted thru FB which I don't have (NT) -- No name, 02:35:42 09/14/24 Sat (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) STOP WITH THE DRAMA. This happens all the time. Companies are on the verge of bankruptcy and can't find a buyer, so they sell off whatever assets or intellectual property they may have so that the creditors get something, rather than nothing. What Robin did is not unethical and happens all the time in the business world and with companies in financial distress, as MAO was at the time. When it comes to the lawsuit between Robin and Glenn, there are different facts and circumstances that will dictate the outcome. But to say that what Robin did in buying MAO was unethical, PLEASE! Stop, the dramatic posts! (NT) -- No name, 20:11:11 09/14/24 Sat (c-98-220-13-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net/98.220.13.180) It's ROBIN that started the drama!! (NT) -- No name, 00:09:39 09/15/24 Sun (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) Then complain to Robin (NT) -- No name, 17:04:43 09/15/24 Sun (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) Miss America should have been sold to someone who could pay off all debt as part of the sale. The scholarship funds could have been held apart from the sale. Anyone with a few million to spare could have negotiated a buyout. Why was it sold for $100? Disney, Bachelor franchise, anyone with a conscience cold have bid if they knew it was for sale. (NT) -- stupidity, 00:30:52 09/16/24 Mon (99-152-119-100.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net/99.152.119.100) I aam sure there was a deal behind this deal that benefitted Shantel. She got something out of this for swinging the pendulum Robin's way. (NT) -- There is a reason it didnt get bid out to Disney or other more reputable companies., 00:54:36 09/16/24 Mon (ec2-54-224-91-93.compute-1.amazonaws.com/54.224.91.93) There was discussion at the December 2022 stete ED meeting that Shantel refused to come to where the states were asking about the possibility of allowing the states to take over. There are some really well run states and some really smart people involved across the country. That discussion was never taken seriously by Ryan (since Shantel was too chicken to even be in the room) and I would bet money that he never took that request any further up the food chain. They already knew what they were up to and they didn't want anything getting in the way of that. This deal wasn't for the program and the girls - this was for their personal benefit - get Shantel paid back and make this someone else's problem as quickly as possible. (NT) -- No name, 12:00:29 09/16/24 Mon (NoHost/139.71.144.5)

Subject: MAO Miss Delegates: List #1: In State Competition Order for Evening Gown, OSQ and Fitness Preliminaries; List #2: In Lottery Number Order for Interview and Talent Competitions; Age is as of their respective state competition dates; Talents and Lottery Number Pulled from https://lottery.missamerica.org/miss
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:26:37 09/06/24 Fri (47-201-79-184.cygr.fl.frontiernet.net/47.201.79.184) List 1: 1. Alabama (Abbi Stockard; Age 21; Cystic Fibrosis; You Say, Contemporary Dance) 2. Alaska (Jordan Naylor; Age 26; Heart Health; Little Party Never Killed Nobody, Ballroom Dance) 3. Arizona (Shailey Ringenbach; Age 20; Share the Love Pet Therapy; If You’re Reading This, Lyrical Dance) 4. Arkansas (Camille Cathey; Age 22; Volunteerism; If I Had My Way, Vocal Performer) 5. California (Kimberly Vernon; Age 27; Arts for All; Le Jazz Hot, Jazz Dance) 6. Colorado (Alexandra Lotko; Age 26; It’s Okay Not to be Okay; My Funny Valentine, Vocal) 7. Connecticut (Monica Fenwick; Age 24?; Communication is Key; Don’t Stop Me Now, Flute) 8. Delaware (Nova Rae Gaffney; Age 24; Domestic Violence Awareness; Carmen, Classical Ballet en Pointe) 9. District of Columbia (Katie Ann Powell; Age 26?; Full Confidence Ahead; Baroque Flamenco, Harp) 10. Florida (Casana Fink; Age 25; Organ Donation; Rescue, Lyrical Dance) 11. Georgia (Ludwig Louizaire; Age 26; Education for Every Student; Home, Broadway Vocal Performer) 12. Hawaii (Hayley Cheyney-Kane; Age 26; Preventative Medicine; Aloha Wau la oe, Vocal / Hula combo) 13. Idaho (Madison Andreason; Age 21; Get Up and Get Out; What I was Made For, Vocal Performer) 14. Illinois (Breana Bagley; Age 26; Defying Pancreatic and Rare Diseases; A New Day Has Come, Lyrical Dance) 15. Indiana (Kaylyn Melham; Age 23; Change Through Theatre; Don’t Forget Me, Vocal Performer) 16. Iowa (Abigaille Batu-Tiako; Age 21; The United Voices; The Joke, Vocal Performer) 17. Kansas (Alexis Smith; Age 25; Respect Reclaimed; The Auctioneer, Ventriloquism) 18. Kentucky (Chapel Tinius; Age 24; Veteran’s Awareness & Appreciation; Devil Went Down to Georgia; Czardas; My Old Kentucky Home; Smoke on the Water; Orange Blossome Special, Fiddle Medley) 19. Louisiana (Olivia Grace George; Age 20; Education is Key; Bossa Nova Baby, Jazz Dance) 20. Maine (Jennie Daley; Age 28; Dress Like an Engineer; HerStory) 21. Maryland (Bridget O’Brien; Age 22?; Boomerang; Don’t Rain on my Parade, Vocal Performance) 22. Massachusetts (Kiersten Khoury; Age 23; Check the Chicas; FightSong, HerStory) 23. Michigan (Jenae Lodewyk; Age 24?; Women in the Workplace; HerStory) 24. Minnesota (Emily Schumacher; Age 24; Heart Health; Proud Mary / River Deep, Tap Dance) 25. Mississippi (Becky Williams; Age 22; Make a Move; Move You’re Steppin on My Heart, Jazz Dance) 26. Missouri (Ashley Berry; Age 20; Media Smart; Eleanor Rigby, Contemporary Ballet en Pointe) 27. Montana (Kaylee Wolfensberger; Age 20?; Healing Harmonies; Great Balls of Fire, Piano) 28. Nebraska (Raechel Warren; Age 28; Passion to Purpose; Must Go On, Roller Skating) 29. Nevada (Karrina Ferris; Age 22?; Inform to Reform; You Will Be Found, Lyrical Dance) 30. New Hampshire (Emily Spencer; Age 23; Inspiring Inclusivity; One Moment in Time, Lyrical Dance) 31. New Jersey (Elizabeth Mendel; Age 22; IMAGE is Everywhere; It’s All Coming Back to Me, Lyrical Dance) 32. New Mexico (Emille-Marie Enriquez; Age ?; The Apricot Ribbon Campaign; El Son De La Negra, Folkloric Dance) 33. New York (Abigail Quammen; Age 24; Literacy; My Way, Vocal Performance) 34. North Carolina (Carrie Everett; Age 20; Equity to Build Community; The Impossible Dream, Vocal Performance) 35. North Dakota (Sophia Richards; Age 23; BIOgirls; La Vie En Rose, Vocal Performance) 36. Ohio (Stephanie Finoti; Age 21; Preparing Young Women for STEM; Kitri Act III variation from Don Quixote, Classical Ballet en Pointe) 37. Oklahoma (Lauren Frost; Age 24; Adoption – Oklahoma’s Option; Hound Dog, Clogging) 38. Oregon (Abigail Hoppe; Age 25; Making Type 1 Diabetes feel like Type None; Let’s Get Loud, Latin Ballroom Dance) 39. Pennsylvania (Page Weinstein; Age 26; Beauty for All; Thunderstruck, Dance Twirl) 40. Puerto Rico (Wilma Victoria Richiez; Age?; Access Education and Essential Resources; HerStory) 41. Rhode Island (Ali Hornung; Age 24; Glimmer of Hope; Legally Blonde, Vocal Performance) 42. South Carolina (Davis Walsh; Age 23; Guiding Youth with Incarcerated Parents; Ain’t No Sunshine, Vocal Performance) 43. South Dakota (Joelle Simpson; Age 20; Nurturing Nature; Swan Lake Harp Cadenza, Harp) 44. Tennessee (Carley Vogel; Age 23?; Organ Donation; Climb Every Mountain, Vocal Performance) 45. Texas (Annette Addo-Yobo; Age 25?; Autism Awareness; Autism SPEAKS, Slam Poetry) 46. Utah (Paris Matthews; Age 26; The Power of Play; All That Jazz, Jazz Dance) 47. Vermont (Meara Seery; Age 24; Green for Good; Seven Nation Army, Vocal Performance) 48. Virginia (Carlehr Swanson; Age 25?; Get Here, Piano and Vocal Performance) 49. Washington (Hermona Girmay; Age 23; SheCan; Supporting Women’s Education; My Days, Vocal Performance) 50. West Virginia (Jennifer Reuther; Age ; Wellness Across West Virginia; Jazz Dance) 51. Wisconsin (Mandi Genord; Age 22; Movement Matters; You Don’t Own Me, Contemporary Jazz Dance) 52. Wyoming (Baylee Drewry; Age 20; Supporting Girls and Women in Sports; Breath and Life, HerStory) List 2: 1. Kansas, Alexis Smith 2. Kentucky, Chapel Tinius 3. North Dakota, Sophia Richards 4. Delaware, Nova Gaffney 5. Maine, Jennie Daley 6. Nebraska, Raechel Warren 7. Hawaii, Hayley Cheyney Kāne 8. Arkansas, Camille Cathey 9. Oregon, Abigail Hoppe 10. Connecticut, Monica Fenwick 11. Washington, Hermona Girmay 12. Maryland, Bridget O'Brien 13. Rhode Island, Ali Hornung 14. West Virginia, Jennifer Reuther 15. Wyoming, Baylee Drewry 16. New Jersey, Elizabeth Mendel 17. North Carolina, Carrie Everett 18. Arizona, Shailey Ringenbach 19. Louisiana, Olivia Grace George 20. Tennessee, Carley Vogel 21. Kaylee Wolfensberger 22. District of Columbia, Katie Ann Powell 23. Michigan, Jenae Lodewyk 24. Mississippi, Becky Williams 25. Massachusetts, Kiersten Khoury 26. Alaska, Jordan Naylor 27. Colorado, Alexandra Lotko 28. Ohio, Stephanie Finoti 29. Florida, Casana Fink 30. Vermont, Meara Seery 31. Virgina, Carlehr Swanson 32. Utah, Paris Matthews 33. New Mexico, Emille-Marie Enriquez 34. Georgia, Ludwidg Louizaire 35. Puerto Rico, Wilma Victoria Richiez Mateo 36. Alabama, Abbie Stockard 37. Oklahoma, Lauren Frost 38. South Dakota, Joelle Simpson 39. Indiana, Kalyn Melham 40. Idaho, Madison Andreason 41. New Hampshire, Emily Spencer 42. South Carolina, Davis Wash 43. California, Kimberly Vernon 44. Missouri, Ashley Berry 45. Wisconsin, Mandi Genord 46. Pennsylvania, Page Weinstein 47. Iowa, Abigaille Batu-Tiako 48. New York, Abigail Quammen 49. Nevada, Karrina Ferris 50. Minnesota, Emily Schumacher 51. Texas, Annette Addo-Yobo 52. Illinois, Breana Bagley [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Age AND CSI are from their respective state pageant dates. (NT) -- No name, 19:37:16 09/06/24 Fri (syn-065-030-210-128.res.spectrum.com/65.30.210.128) As author of the post, I can confirm that with respect to CSIs, those were reviewed and updated since crowning, but being human and not a bot, it is entirely possible that a delegate changed hers and I missed it. A more helpful (and accurate) comment would be to provide any information that would help to update the list - that would be most appreciated. (NT) -- No name, 21:50:46 09/06/24 Fri (47-201-79-184.cygr.fl.frontiernet.net/47.201.79.184) Bump (NT) -- No name, 01:15:47 09/11/24 Wed (51.sub-174-211-165.myvzw.com/174.211.165.51) thank you so much for this list. (NT) -- No name, 18:22:19 09/14/24 Sat (99-166-174-42.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net/99.166.174.42) Very welcome! (NT) -- No name, 02:06:54 09/15/24 Sun (47-201-79-184.cygr.fl.frontiernet.net/47.201.79.184) Wisconsin changed her CSI to "Connecting Lives:Adoption Resources and Advocacy" (NT) -- No name, 01:43:59 09/15/24 Sun (184-100-144-50.lcrs.qwest.net/184.100.144.50) Excellent. Thank you! (NT) -- No name, 02:13:56 09/15/24 Sun (47-201-79-184.cygr.fl.frontiernet.net/47.201.79.184) And former Miss Wisconsin's Outstanding Teen 2018, Mandi should also change her appearance....get rid of the fake bleach-blonde for her natural brown hair. -- Mandi would be a good candidate for make-up application classes to enhance her beauty too., 15:30:05 09/15/24 Sun (syn-137-027-094-098.biz.spectrum.com/137.27.94.98) Jeff, why would anyone take tips on grooming from you?? (NT) -- No name, 06:31:41 09/16/24 Mon (syn-065-030-210-128.res.spectrum.com/65.30.210.128)

Subject: a Miss Texas tell-all!
Author: Amy Argetsinger [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:31:57 09/11/24 Wed (NoHost/136.226.48.252) Happy for once to be plugging someone else's worthy book! I think a lot of folks here would be interested the new memoir from Jane Little Botkin, the original “Guyrex Girl” (if you know, you know), who worked with the legendary pageant coaches a few years before they repeatedly conquered the Miss USA system. “The Pink Dress” centers on her attempts to become Miss Texas, but it’s also a more relatable tale finding one’s way as a young woman in the 1970s. The Pink Dress: A Memoir of a Reluctant Beauty Queen . [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Who’s book isn’t worthy? (NT) -- No name, 18:22:54 09/12/24 Thu (c-98-58-103-249.hsd1.fl.comcast.net/98.58.103.249) Man, that is one weird response. (NT) -- No name, 21:04:59 09/12/24 Thu (107-129-113-26.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net/107.129.113.26) Simple question. The way this is written implies there are books that aren’t worth reading. Just asking which ones? (NT) -- No name, 11:34:02 09/13/24 Fri (c-98-58-103-249.hsd1.fl.comcast.net/98.58.103.249) It's just a compliment. She wrote a book that I am here to say is worth your time. (NT) -- No name, 12:13:52 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/136.226.48.252) I may read it just because I'm a pageant buff, but in fairness, tell-alls are the most fun when the readers were alive/old enough to appreciate the original event. A tell-all from the 80s will likely draw very few people. A tell-all from 2010, however, is a different story. All this to say, ladies, if you have a tell-all percolating in your head, do it soon after your reign. Don't wait decades until it's no longer relevant to contemporary pageantry (NT) -- No name, 15:56:09 09/14/24 Sat (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) I wish Guy and Rex were still alive-what would a book from THEM have-lots of drams! (NT) -- No name, 00:11:23 09/15/24 Sun (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200)

Subject: Best pageant coaches on the west coast…go!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:38:14 09/14/24 Sat (NoHost/104.28.116.50) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Subject: Miss America Predictions?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:43:55 08/26/24 Mon (mobile-166-194-132-041.mycingular.net/166.194.132.41) Do we have any crowd favorites? Any former teens? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I really like Washington. (NT) -- No name, 20:11:09 08/26/24 Mon (c-174-174-67-55.hsd1.or.comcast.net/174.174.67.55) Agreed. She is gorgeous and has the singing chops and a story. (NT) -- No name, 22:01:15 09/03/24 Tue (91.sub-174-224-196.myvzw.com/174.224.196.91) I'm loving Kansas and Delaware (NT) -- No name, 11:45:26 08/28/24 Wed (NoHost/167.21.141.32) I’m loving Illinois (NT) -- No name, 00:02:40 09/06/24 Fri (70-231-67-128.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net/70.231.67.128) Florida is beautiful, solid dancer, business woman getting her MBA and platform is related to a personal family experience. Was very strong at state this year in a competitive field-won every preliminary category. Look for at least a T10 finish. (NT) -- No name, 16:59:45 09/06/24 Fri (NoHost/142.136.0.79) I’m feeling Arkansas this year. (NT) -- No name, 20:50:58 09/06/24 Fri (NoHost/104.28.94.228) Then you should keep your hands to yourself! (NT) -- No name, 01:09:11 09/07/24 Sat (syn-065-188-072-049.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.49) Oklahoma is an all-around competitor. She should do well! -- Watching, 17:10:53 09/07/24 Sat (ip68-97-244-135.ok.ok.cox.net/68.97.244.135) Ohio...there is just something about her. She has impressed me even before she won the state title. (NT) -- No name, 11:37:58 09/09/24 Mon (mobile-107-77-205-6.mobile.att.net/107.77.205.6) Who has a story MAO can exploit for attention and clicks? That's who will win. (NT) -- No name, 15:16:24 09/09/24 Mon (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) Kansas? (NT) -- VE, 15:21:57 09/09/24 Mon (173-167-226-181-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net/173.167.226.181) Is her story he said-she said or is it indisputable, such as by a court ruling? (NT) -- No name, 17:15:58 09/09/24 Mon (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) Miss America Predictions -- No name, 14:13:55 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/104.28.32.228) What about the small states that get less attention? I like SD, VT, RI, and KY. (NT) -- No name, 14:16:57 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/104.28.32.229) Kentucky will likely be a talent winner. Very entertaining. Interview may be top 15, but I believe styling will hold her back. (NT) -- No name, 20:39:19 09/11/24 Wed (h73.138.21.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.21.138.73) Unless she is making balloon animals, she won’t be a talent winner in the Robin Fleming era! (NT) -- No name, 20:54:58 09/11/24 Wed (NoHost/4.38.109.71) Is there going to be a Miss America Pageant 2025? These lawsuit troubles seem to taking center stage. (NT) -- No name, 12:04:20 09/13/24 Fri (ip68-11-225-24.br.br.cox.net/68.11.225.24) I now care more about my corrupted state pageant than Miss America. I don't really care if there is a Miss America. Let the states provide scholarships and girls service to the community, and let all the leeches- Sam, Gretchen, Ragina, Shantel, and Robin, go broke. TIRED OF THE NATIONAL PROGRAM LEECHING OFF THE STATES. (NT) -- No name, 16:03:04 09/13/24 Fri (NoHost/146.75.223.122) SOUTH DAKOTA - she reminds me of Emma broyles (NT) -- No name, 17:33:36 09/14/24 Sat (NoHost/172.58.134.47)

Subject: I have seen Miss USA and Teen USA and fashion week shows. Will Miss America be at any shows of walking?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:16:11 09/11/24 Wed (NoHost/173.205.211.234) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Miss America is in NYC. What is she doing besides serving pizza? (NT) -- No name, 17:30:18 09/11/24 Wed (NoHost/4.38.109.71) I saw photos of her and the Teen are the 9/11 memorial (NT) -- Lee, 07:24:15 09/12/24 Thu (c-73-191-114-245.hsd1.de.comcast.net/73.191.114.245) Both Miss USA and Miss America need dental work. What’s going on ???? (NT) -- No name, 19:56:05 09/12/24 Thu (c-73-142-196-158.hsd1.ct.comcast.net/73.142.196.158) I don’t know about the teen, but the Miss was in an automobile accident and had all of her front teeth knocked (if rumors are to be believed). She has implants (again, if rumors are to be believed). (NT) -- No name, 20:46:09 09/12/24 Thu (h73.138.21.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.21.138.73)

Subject: New lawsuit with Robin and Glen. She filed this one against him!
Author: None [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:15:14 09/12/24 Thu (NoHost/107.116.79.49) None [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Will this Robin/Glenn business go to trial? Who could be called as witnesses?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:25:21 09/10/24 Tue (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) Former customers of Robin? Mary Richardson from Mrs. International (where Robin competed for many years trying to won the title but eventually gave up after not placing for several years. Former employees of LCH? Even if money is awarded in a lawsuit, Robin will probably take the easy way out and file a BK. That would drag on for at least two years. There are too many people she has screwed over that would LOVE to get on the stand. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Your hate for Robin is very unhealthy (NT) -- No name, 22:47:35 09/10/24 Tue (syn-024-209-024-068.res.spectrum.com/24.209.24.68) Robin was a one-time pageant contestant?? (NT) -- No name, 00:52:04 09/11/24 Wed (NoHost/12.177.102.2) More than a one-time. She competed in Mrs. International for many years. Last few years she competed, she didn't make the semi-finals. -- No name, 03:23:55 09/11/24 Wed (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) A failed pageant queen, a bankrupt pageant dress store owner, a fired USA pageant director and a legally tangled pageant “manager”. Robin is batting 1000 (NT) -- No name, 22:38:17 09/11/24 Wed (NoHost/4.38.109.71)

Subject: Competing at Miss America Twice
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:58:54 09/08/24 Sun (NoHost/148.72.132.154) Just saw a former Miss Colorado won a local in Texas? Is it just an unspoken role to compete for a new state title? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Might be 2 people with the same name I am sure they will figure it out (NT) -- No name, 15:08:57 09/08/24 Sun (85.sub-174-193-194.myvzw.com/174.193.194.85) Sarah Jean Swift assumed the Miss Colorado crown when Madison was crowned Miss America. Since she has never competed in Miss America, she is eligible to continue to compete in the program. She attends Southern Methodist University in Texas, and therefore is eligible for competition there. She would also be eligible in Colorado, as she crowned her successor, thereby giving her a gap year as required (formerly under MAO.org) before she could compete again. (NT) -- No name, 15:20:28 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) Totally correct-----but does she have a brain, it would be far easier to win Miss Colorado this next year 2025 than to try to get to Miss America by winning big Lone Star competitive Texas. Even if she goes to college in Texas just to use home-state Colorado -- residency to enter Miss Colorado next year to try for Miss America 2026., 13:35:35 09/09/24 Mon (syn-071-013-135-158.biz.spectrum.com/71.13.135.158) Did it occur to you that she might be using this opportunity to become a stronger competitor? Especially since she already has to take a gap year in Colorado. (NT) -- No name, 17:18:47 09/09/24 Mon (visit.keznews.com/185.202.220.165) The "gap" year isn't a real gap year. It just means she couldn't compete last season because she can't crown herself if she wins. How it works is that the young lady who takes over as Miss State sits out the year she's Miss State. This is to stop girls in the smaller states (who don't make that many appearances) from assuming the title AND competing at state the same year they're "giving up" the title. As far as I know, she should be fully eligible to compete in either TX or CO this year (NT) -- No name, 22:32:09 09/11/24 Wed (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) In the 1980s, Debbie Riecks tried twice for Miss TX, then returned to CO upon graduating from SMU. On her second try, a TX couple bought her the EG that she wore as Miss CO at Miss A. That EG + her experience as a TX titleholder=priceless IJS (NT) -- No name, 17:35:25 09/09/24 Mon (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) The rule is, you can't compete at MISS AMERICA twice. The girl who was Miss CO became Miss CO because she was 1st RU to the girl who won Miss America. So she inherited the crown and never competed at Miss America. This is something that's been done before by other girls who inherited their state title. Most notably, the girl who was 1st RU to Miss IL became Miss IL after Ericka Harold won Miss America. About a week later, she was in a horrible car accident and spent her year recovering. The next year, she crowned her successor and the year after that, she won Miss IL outright and competed at Miss America. Completely acceptable to do this (NT) -- No name, 18:58:57 09/08/24 Sun (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) Didn't the same thing happen the next year with poor Shanna Pender. She took over for Erika Dunlap then was almost killed in a car accident.Did she ever win Miss FL outright? (NT) -- No name, 20:27:23 09/08/24 Sun (255.sub-174-238-97.myvzw.com/174.238.97.255) Yes, the same thing happened with Shauna Pender. But Shauna had aged out of the system, so she took over for Erica Dunlap and then two weeks later, was almost killed in a car accident on her way to an appearance. She spent months in rehab. She was a singer for talent and there was too much damage to her vocal chords. I don't think she was ever able to sing again (NT) -- No name, 23:55:35 09/08/24 Sun (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) Miss Il was Michelle LaGroue. She is now Michelle LaGroue Conradt and lives in Charlotte, NC with husband and 2 sons. She almost died in that car accident. (NT) -- No name, 13:42:00 09/09/24 Mon (NoHost/12.74.71.78) Plus, she won overall interview from a field of 16 strong contestants. (NT) -- No name, 19:27:19 09/11/24 Wed (75-30-250-233.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net/75.30.250.233)

Subject: Hey, Robin! Why don't you screenshot THIS for the judge??
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:27:06 09/09/24 Mon (NoHost/139.71.144.6) Your ascertion to the judge in #27 & 28 regarding the post here on 08/26 where the rumor (a word you left out) that "Robin's dates are December 27th-Jan 5th" is false. You claim that the timing "resonably suggest[s] Plaintiffs (Straub and/or his representatives) leaked Defendants' confidentially disclosed information..." Again, you are mistaken. I know that because I'm the one that posted it. In your Exhibit 4 from the 09/06/2024 filing, you show an email regarding the dates. In it your attorney states, "It has been a well-known fact to the operators of the Miss America organization for almost a year. The venue and dates were selected in October 2023...The dates are essentailly the same and were the only available dates when Ms. Fleming reserved them in October 2023." Wait...THE VENUE AND DATES WERE SELECTED IN OCTOBER 2023??? Well that's interesting - that means you either lied to ALL 51 STATE DIRECTORS back in Orlando in January when you pretended you didn't have the dates for 2025. OR you are lying through your attorney in the email in Exhibit 4 where you say you knew the dates in October 2023. So which one is it? Did you LIE to us back then or are you lying in the email in your exhibit? And to be clear, the rumors about the dates were flying around all over the place for a couple of weeks before I posted them. EDs were talking. I was waiting to see if I heard any other dates being thrown around. I didn't. So I posted what I heard - identified them as a RUMOR - which apparently were pretty accurate. And I can tell you this, I have never had so much as a single conversation in any way, shape or form with Glenn or ANYONE on his team. Ever. So maybe you should consider the idea that someone on YOUR team - past (you know, since it's been so well-known since October or 2023) or present - shared those dates outside your little circle. And while we're at it, if you really have known those dates for almost a year, how crappy is it of YOU to not share them so people could at least mark them on the calendar?? You could have said you don't have hotels confirmed, blah blah blah, but you could have at least shared the dates. Once again, how selfish of YOU. Only worried about yourself, and never how your decisions affect others. I pray the judge sees you for exactly who you are as a person and a scammer. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Oh and BTW, Exhibit 5 - that was just me quoting information in documents PUBLICLY AVAILABLE on the Clerk of Court site. The only part that was "opinion" was "Robin announced anyway." But since you did announce, is that really an opinion or actually a fact? Seems factual to me. But I'm no lawyer, so who knows. (NT) -- No name, 12:35:55 09/09/24 Mon (NoHost/139.71.144.6) Wow! Why don't you identify yourself so you can be a witness? No way to confirm anything you type here since you are anonymous. Such anger! Reveal yourself.Nothing you say can be verified. The owner of a co is not at liberty to disclose the state of negotiations. Perhaps a range of dates were being considered. Dates don't become dates until the contract is signed and perhaps the dates given by the theater had to be coordinated with what a hotel could offer or vice versa. When an owner decides to disclose something is her choice. Does not make it a lie. Timing can vary. Identify yourself and your posts so we can verify all. (NT) -- No name, 12:46:39 09/09/24 Mon (mail82.anonymouse.org/193.200.150.82) Ask any state ED there that day - she was throwing around potential date ideas out to the room (the idea of dates around NYE were not well received at all!). She definitely didn't say she had dates set and just wasn't announcing yet. Most of what I said can be verified by reading the court docs - that shouldn't be too tough for you. Maybe this is confusing for you, but according to her own attorney's email (Exhibit 4), the dates have been set since October 2023. So if there were a range of dates being considered in January 2024 (as you've suggested), then that makes the statement about the dates being set in October 2023 a lie. So which is it? My identity has nothing to do with information you can find for yourself (court docs) or things she said in a room full of people. (NT) -- No name, 13:03:44 09/09/24 Mon (NoHost/139.71.144.6) Burn it down! Just let the state have thier pageants -- Click in, 14:29:39 09/09/24 Mon (NoHost/107.115.187.142) DONT BUY A PLANE TICKET, RESERVE A HOTEL ROOM, BOOK A SHOW SEAT-NOTHING. Robin's lies are all catching up to her and the judge is going to take her down. (NT) -- No name, 17:17:37 09/09/24 Mon (NoHost/50.118.196.195) This is so so messy. I wish the judge would speed this up and make a ruling. It’s so bad for the entire organization. (NT) -- No name, 19:16:16 09/09/24 Mon (NoHost/172.56.71.142) I doubt the judge is concerned about the optics (NT) -- No name, 21:45:06 09/09/24 Mon (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) Anyone can claim to be the original poster of the information you cite. Just like anyone can create a fake operating agreement and back date it, waive it around and you lemmings will follow him off the cliff. Seriously are you all so gullible. Clearly this poster has never negotiated anything with multiple properties or you owuld know how it is done. Dates looked at or held or booked. Nothing is final until the contract is signed and no owner of a for profit company is obliged to let you in on every detail. This is not a quilting bee. And for the record no one cares what is said on an anonymous message board but please know this is not anonymous even if you use a VPN. Just saying. (NT) -- No name, 12:51:45 09/10/24 Tue (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) No one cares...but HERE YOU ARE!! And I am referencing Robin's own claims in HER documents filed with the court. Her argument is that the dates have been set since October 2023 - not "looked at". Not "held". Which by the way, no venue would "hold" dates on a pinky promise. If, as she says, the dates have been booked since October 2023 (HER claim, not mine) then that would mean she had committed. So then why not make sure the states knew that as soon as possible? Even if she waited until after January's competition, it would have given states additional information to plan. "Her" (as she claims) FOR PROFIT company is being funded on the backs of VOLUNTEERS and NON-PROFIT state programs! So yes, she DOES owe us answers and details. And since you're so smart, all you have to do is look at the vpn to see that if I said I was the OP, then I am. (NT) -- No name, 13:11:21 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/139.71.144.5) Take a breath. You are really invested in your hatred against Robin. What happened to you? Smeone claim you are incompetent and it was proven and now you are no longer a director? Did you fail to perform your own fiduciary responsibility and now are trying to blame someone else for that? Did you abscond with production funds, get caught and now trying to deflect? So many options but your postings here are so over the top that makes people wonder why. (NT) -- No name, 14:20:56 09/10/24 Tue (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) Wait...it's like you're in my head! Yes! YES!! It's not just one of those things - it's ALL of them! And then some more! I'm mad that I can't have a giant name badge like the one you wore during your ED calls. Or that I can't have a SUPER giant one like you wore when the hearings began back in July. And I'm also sad and angry that I won't be invited to your birthday party either. And of course, I'm really sad that J Lo just can't seem to get it right when it comes to marriage - I blame Robin, so obviously that plays a big part in why I don't like you. OR it could be because I along with SO many other people see through your unabashed bullshit, Robin! We see you!! We see you for EXACTLY WHO and WHAT you are. And it's gross. (NT) -- No name, 15:12:50 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/139.71.144.4) Ha ha ha ha (NT) -- This cracking me up, 12:07:36 09/11/24 Wed (NoHost/107.115.187.142) If I felt the way you do, I would walk away from the program, rather than allow her to benefit on my back as a volunteer. Just sayin'. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to do this. (NT) -- No name, 17:51:16 09/11/24 Wed (NoHost/148.59.75.51)

Subject: NEW LAWSUIT FILED 9/5 by BRYAN CAVE
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:59:36 09/09/24 Mon (NoHost/38.172.112.247) On 9/5, the Bryan Cave Laughtin Paisner Law Firm filed a $900,000 Lawsuit against Robin/Glenn. The lawsuit claims fraudulent activity in the sale of Miss America from the MAO to Miss America Competitions LLC. The 900K bill is for the legal bills of when Gretchen and Regina were ruining (I mean running) Miss America. Lawd have mercy! You can also find this brand new lawsuit at www.mypalmbeachclerk.com. If you aren’t accessing this site, you are missing out! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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This is what Robin gets. She wanted to rush so bad to have power and feed her ego as the “ceo” and she rushed this process using Glenn’s money and it’s now exploding in her face. Should have just let the Dallas people take it. We would have been in a much better place but no.. Robin just had to have power. So this is exactly what she gets. She needs to bow out now. Glenn can afford this. She can’t. (NT) -- No name, 00:00:49 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.71.142) Robin would rather destroy us than admit any faults (NT) -- No name, 09:52:20 09/10/24 Tue (75-104-95-136.mobility.exede.net/75.104.95.136) I guess since Robin insists she's the rightful owner she better get out that checkbook. I mean, since she's worth $10 million, that shouldn't be a problem for her. Oh wait, I call BS. So I guess the states better get ready for more made up reasons you need to send money to Robin - more "fundraising" requirements, higher ticket prices, ad page prices and requirements, etc. Because you KNOW she wouldn't use her money (even if she actually had it.) (NT) -- No name, 12:21:21 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/139.71.144.5) Put case numbers on here please?! Can’t find when you just search her name -- No name, 12:28:53 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/172.58.245.70) Case Number: 50-2005-CA-008373-XXX-MB or you may look up the last name Cave and first name Bryan. ALL of it will pull up, including the purchase contract with a list of all $4.1 million in debts listed. (NT) -- No name, 13:23:50 09/10/24 Tue (dhcp097142.dtl-rwp.louisville.edu/136.165.97.142) CASE 3 502024CA008473 Just type that into the search bar on the clerk of court site (NT) -- No name, 13:25:09 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/139.71.144.5) You guys are kind of amazing in your ignorance. If this lawsuit is legitimately brought and the amounts claimed are owed then an order will be entered. Each party will bring their defenses whatever they may be. Companies get sued all the time. and if there is a judgment the costs are typically borne by the consumer of the goods or services the company sells. Why would the owner of a corporation be personally responsible for a corporate debt? Fox passed their $800MM debt to its viewers by raising its carriage charges to the cable companies so if you watch Fox you are paying for that judgment. Rupert was not personally responsible. Understand how this works? (NT) -- No name, 12:41:07 09/10/24 Tue (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) A perfect comparison: FOX News & Robin Fleming. Both will weave any story they need to in order to maintain their narrative. (NT) -- No name, 13:13:00 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.86.183) Wow,,,you're busy spreading your dumb-assery today. There is no question about whether the debt is owed. It's been arbitrated, certified, everything else...Bryan is owed that money. That debt was taken on by the new company during the asset transfer. So when we say Robin owes the money it's because she keeps claiming to own MA. We get it - technically MAIP or whatever she named it owes the money - but since she runs everythinglike a little dictator, we see her as responsible. But yeah, we all know she'll just bleed everyone else dry to cover the debts of "her" company. Robin, it might be best for you to step away from the keyboard for the rest of the day. (NT) -- No name, 13:19:11 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/139.71.144.5) Why are you bothered by objectivity? If the debt is owed by a defendant in the case then there is no doubt a judgment would be entered. There may be defenses. I read the sales agreement and it is quite ambiguous as to what duties the purchaser actually might have vis a vis this debt. You say the debt was taken on by the asset transfer. I read the same document and do not conclude it is so clear. So when a woman runs her own company you call her a dictator. If a man ran his own company what would you call him? I seem to recall Sam running roughshod over an entire board of directors. So some advice to make you happier: walk away. Don't attend or donate or buy anything. You will feel so much better. (NT) -- No name, 14:16:18 09/10/24 Tue (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) Morristown ….. mmmm. That is very telling. (NT) -- No name, 14:21:01 09/10/24 Tue (unknown.intelsat.com/164.86.38.212) Is this morristown NJ, MN, TN there are lots of morristowns (NT) -- No name, 12:05:15 09/11/24 Wed (NoHost/107.115.187.142)

Subject: Miss PA Drama on Podcast
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:07:46 08/15/24 Thu (mobile-166-196-103-094.mycingular.net/166.196.103.94) Does anyone have the link to this? Apparently Robyn Kassgerji was on a podcast speaking about her situation and the restraining order but I’m not sure what it’s called. Does anyone have the podcast name or a link to it? I’m hoping she explains more in depth what the situation actually was. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I think she did a pretty good job explaining it in those news articles. But anyway, I don't know the name of the podcast. Does the bully still hold a local title? (NT) -- No name, 23:09:42 08/15/24 Thu (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) Robin & Ryan will try to force you to buy a dress from Henri’s; will insist states give them power of attorney and mislead us all in countless subjects, but the WILL NOT do anything about this? Amazing leadership (NT) -- No name, 10:41:49 08/16/24 Fri (NoHost/190.81.47.202) Don’t worry… rumor has it that there is going to be a lawsuit against the Miss PA org and a separate one against MAO and Robin as a whole dropping within the next month or so. They’ve been working and waiting on the Robin/Straub/MAO suit before serving papers, but seeing as that is going to take awhile I think they’re going to be serving papers soon. Robyn was supposed to talk to the Today Show the day after the Trump assassination attempt, but everything got pushed. So not sure if there will be more media before things are actually filed or not. (NT) -- No name, 23:04:11 08/25/24 Sun (NoHost/74.118.138.198) Yes bully still has local title with the Pa state board fully behind her and is still threatening girls about speaking out (NT) -- No name, 23:40:04 08/16/24 Fri (mobile-166-196-103-094.mycingular.net/166.196.103.94) Is she competing again? (NT) -- No name, 14:35:24 08/18/24 Sun (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) Yes. She’s only 24 or 25. She’s still repping her Wilkes-Barre/Scranton title and will not compete for another title until PA locals begin. She will probably stick with the same local whose directors testified for her in court she would never bully anyone. (NT) -- No name, 19:00:20 08/19/24 Mon (NoHost/193.106.248.130) She made a recent appearance at the Pittston Tomato Festival Parade. It is absolutely sickening that she is out there still wearing her local crown and sash. Also very disappointed in the Miss Northeastern PA who posing for a picture with this bully. I mean are you kidding me, why would you want to be photographed with her showing her support? (NT) -- No name, 12:25:57 08/20/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.218.108) Tell Miss Northeastern PA to her face how disappointed you are regarding her posing for a picture with the bully (NT) -- No name, 12:38:53 08/20/24 Tue (NoHost/98.39.54.124) I would have no problem at all telling any Miss PA Local Titleholder who supports Victoria that posing for pictures with her shows that you Support Bullying in MAO, which is exactly what this is. Please show me any evidence that she is innocent of the accusations that a court ruled she is responsible for and I will drop all of this. (NT) -- No name, 12:57:41 08/20/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.218.108) Look, I agree the situation is terrible but it’s entirely possible the other titleholders are scared of her and don’t want to be her next victim so it’s easier to just pose for the picture and try not to draw her wrath. (NT) -- No name, 21:29:08 08/26/24 Mon (c-67-176-201-27.hsd1.il.comcast.net/67.176.201.27) I checked Miss Northeastern PA facebook page and did not see a picture of that... Where is a picture of this? (NT) -- No name, 15:29:09 08/20/24 Tue (NoHost/98.39.54.124) It is on the Miss Northeastern PA Facebook Page, the post was made 3 days ago, if you are on the page it is the 2nd post in the timeline. I would post a link but don't want the entire post here to get deleted. (NT) -- No name, 21:01:45 08/20/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.218.108) "Posing with bully" -- No name, 22:12:13 08/21/24 Wed (c-73-175-247-215.hsd1.pa.comcast.net/73.175.247.215) I think it's also bullying to label someone, like Miss Northeastern PA, as a supporter of her actions. You are not in the position these women are in. No where in the post did it say "I support Victoria and everything she has done". You are jumping to conclusions and forcing a reputation upon someone. It is a photo of two title holders at the same event. Instead of calling someone out for "supporting a bully", maybe think before posting anonymously online bullying someone else. (NT) -- No name, 22:17:25 08/21/24 Wed (c-73-175-247-215.hsd1.pa.comcast.net/73.175.247.215) When you are in a public space and you represent an entity, you keep your opinions to yourself and do what people expect you to do. It's the real world; you'll be photographed with many people you do not like or support. Who would look like the bitch if someone was snubbed? It's not a good look for the organization to have public inner conflict. You smile and bear it. (NT) -- No name, 14:32:31 08/22/24 Thu (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) Meh, I don't know about that. You are representing the organization and you're also representing yourself. Let's say for a second that there was a killer there. Do you just grin and bear it? Or do you stand up for your values and the values of the organization which are totally counter to any hypothetical killer. The same should go for bullying (NT) -- No name, 21:02:42 08/22/24 Thu (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) Post all of that on Miss Northeastern PA Facebook page (NT) -- No name, 22:43:32 08/22/24 Thu (NoHost/98.39.54.124) If you use the example of child molester, it actually happened for a decade plus in South Carolina, under that scumbag Sam. (NT) -- as long as they brought big bucks to MA, Sam overlooked their pedo son being around the teens, 14:30:36 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) I worked in PR for Procter & Gamble for 30 years. There were products over the years I had ethical dilemmas about, but I invested so much time and effort in my tenure at the company, and knew how fruitful my retirement would be, I was unwilling to start all over again elsewhere. That new company may also have a few ethical issues I am critical of. How many times must I switch jobs in order to find that perfect company that does nothing wrong? (NT) -- No name, 12:25:00 08/23/24 Fri (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) I hear that. My company is questionable, submitted tickets to compliance and the appropriate avenues. They did nothing. So, I do my work because I want the 401K match and my stock. So I’m not pushing further. (NT) -- No name, 19:02:34 08/29/24 Thu (pool-173-79-116-75.washdc.fios.verizon.net/173.79.116.75) It's intolerable. We are not talking about the behaviors like drama and backbiting. This is something that was found in court to have merit. (NT) -- No name, 00:29:43 08/17/24 Sat (c-75-70-175-167.hsd1.co.comcast.net/75.70.175.167) The podcast is called Voice For Victims and is available wherever you get your podcasts and on YouTube (NT) -- No name, 09:23:41 08/17/24 Sat (NoHost/128.14.207.6) Thank you (NT) -- No name, 18:31:12 08/29/24 Thu (NoHost/12.188.169.2) Why hasnt the bully been removed (NT) -- No name, 14:07:59 08/18/24 Sun (syn-076-082-048-252.res.spectrum.com/76.82.48.252) Because Miss PA is corrupt and their director is a bully herself. Just ask why her state teen director quit. Or the board members have changed. If she removed the bully that’s she’s been protecting after countless reports of bullying and harassment from way before the restraining order, she’d be a hypocrite for not removing herself too. (NT) -- No name, 15:38:22 08/19/24 Mon (NoHost/103.101.202.120) Both should go How long has she been the DR of Pennsylvania? She should be ashamed of herself (NT) -- No name, 03:16:45 08/20/24 Tue (255.sub-174-193-193.myvzw.com/174.193.193.255) Or why 2 locals left in 2020 because of unethical behavior. The PA director has all of the locals sign POAs for their bank accounts, wasn't paying out scholarships and still threatens contestants that she won't pay their scholarship if they resign or don't listen to every word she says. (NT) -- No name, 07:19:18 08/20/24 Tue (NoHost/91.245.252.47) Wasn't there a teen director in a southern state that demanded all the girls personal social media accounts and passwords? We've seen this type of behavior before unfortunately and it needs to go! I'm sure the bully teen director will complain and get this post taken down! (NT) -- No name, 14:53:22 08/22/24 Thu (NoHost/37.120.143.86) It's so outrageous that this young lady is still holding a title. When does she finally give up her crown?? (NT) -- No name, 11:58:31 08/21/24 Wed (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) The Miss NEPA Scholarship Organization should be holding their MAO Local Pageant I think either late October or November, but from what has been said earlier, The Bully plans to re-compete at that local to earn a 2025 Local Title to qualify for next year's State Competition. This young lady literally has no shame what so ever for the things she has done. Since MAO and Miss PA still to date have chosen not to take action, I am sure she feels completely untouchable at this point. My message to any young women who is thinking about competing at Miss NEPA this year, if The Bully is allowed to compete, then don't show up. Maybe then and only then will the Miss PA Leadership listen and finally end this. (NT) -- No name, 15:16:59 08/21/24 Wed (c-69-141-204-190.hsd1.nj.comcast.net/69.141.204.190) Past experience has shown me that girls do not rock the boat. They know they will be blackballed, so if they want to continue to compete, they keep quiet. It's on the Local Directors to join together and make demands of the state leadership for change, but they just want to take a girl to state, circumstances be damned. (NT) -- too many self-centered directors in this program, 14:34:42 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) The Local Directors are completely powerless here. 1st off the Directors from NEPA are completely complicate in the coverup as they testified against Robyn but they were caught on tape telling her to drop the issue. The remaining Local Directors are turning a blind eye to the entire thing acting like they don't know anything. Truth be told, they are afraid to take a stand and speak up because in their MAO Local Franchise Contract, MAO Holds all the power and they can have their Local Franchise taken from them at anytime by the State if they go against them. (NT) -- No name, 11:56:32 09/11/24 Wed (NoHost/172.56.223.18) I think it’s extremely telling that so many of the other young women are afraid to come forward because the State ED, has threatened to take their scholarships from them if they do. These women are so afraid of their Director that they would rather be receiving death threats and physically harmed by another contestant then speak out. How does the ED treat these girls that they’re so scared of her? That’s extremely disappointing. (NT) -- No name, 19:45:19 08/21/24 Wed (139.68.243.42.hwccustomers.com/139.68.243.42) They're young and easily influenced when someone tells them they'll get in trouble if they come forward or they will lose their crown or something. But where are their parents???!?!?! Why are they not protecting their daughters and now allowing them to be intimidated? (NT) -- No name, 11:53:06 08/22/24 Thu (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) Where are their local EDs? They're the ones charged with protecting and advocating for their contestants. (NT) -- No name, 14:37:59 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) I met Robyn at an event a few weeks ago. She was so sweet! My daughter and her friend who are competing in MAO went over to say hi and ask how she was doing, but after a bit basically said, “As a heads up, I wouldn’t post any pictures that include me. I wouldn’t want anything I’m doing or the lawsuits I’m filing to have any effect on how your competitions go. I’m more than happy to help you in anyway I can, just please be careful if you take pictures with me because I don’t want MAO seeing it and think that you are going against their warning to stay away from me and have it hurt you or your chances” Then she proceeded to help my daughter with her hair and makeup for the event and she gave her a bunch of info on where to get the best second hand pageant clothes and the least expensive jewelry. Robyn seemed really sweet and genuine and just really wanting to help out everyone there. I really hope all works out well for her and some sort of justice gets served! (NT) -- No name, 12:25:07 08/23/24 Fri (96-70-248-201-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net/96.70.248.201) Can you all just stop praising Robyn already? Boo hoo she got some text messages, who cares? She probably deserved it. She needs to just shut up and give up already. At this point all she is doing is playing the victim and disparaging MAO. (NT) -- No name, 19:50:45 08/24/24 Sat (173-230-133-106.ip.linodeusercontent.com/173.230.133.106) So, who is the victim here? (NT) -- No name, 21:52:06 08/24/24 Sat (NoHost/98.39.54.124) Please tell me you are not being serious? So you are worried about hurting poor MAO's name then someone receiving death threats? No wonder why bullying at Miss PA is an issue when there are people like you in this world protecting bullying. (NT) -- No name, 09:09:41 08/25/24 Sun (NoHost/172.56.218.108) Wow… I actually have no words. Saying someone deserved to be threaded or assaulted??? Just wow. (NT) -- No name, 22:57:22 08/25/24 Sun (NoHost/73.214.30.192) I bet the person who said that she deserves to be bullied is the bully (NT) -- No name, 15:46:54 08/29/24 Thu (38.sub-174-193-196.myvzw.com/174.193.196.38) No, bitch ass I will not drop it. How's about you get your whiny spoiled rotten idiot butt off this board? It's people like you who killed this pageant, not people like Robyn (NT) -- No name, 01:49:35 08/26/24 Mon (c-50-170-176-164.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.170.176.164) Arguments like this could cause women to not want to compete (NT) -- No name, 14:23:52 08/26/24 Mon (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) Oh please. No one is sitting out there saying "well golly gee, the first poster blamed the victim of a serious murder threat and the second poster told them off. Wow, that second poster was out of line. I don't want to compete because I should be allowed to blame the victim of any crime I want without someone coming back at me!" (NT) -- No name, 11:56:18 08/31/24 Sat (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) Are you going to tear out her hair & slap her as well in addition to your comment? (NT) -- No name, 16:59:54 08/26/24 Mon (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) The poster got what they deserved. If you don't like it, that's a YOU problem (NT) -- No name, 12:01:58 08/31/24 Sat (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) What a mess (NT) -- No name, 15:34:06 08/29/24 Thu (NoHost/12.233.34.186) So apparently Victoria is telling a lot of girls that she’s planning on pressing charges against Robyn. Has anyone else heard this? If so, does anyone know what kind of charges she would be able to press against the victim who a judge ruled needed a restraining order? (NT) -- No name, 23:16:10 09/05/24 Thu (pool-108-28-22-97.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.28.22.97) sorry but Pa needs an overhaul from top to bottom (NT) -- No name, 05:35:55 09/06/24 Fri (50-32-55-45.vng01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net/50.32.55.45) Who would take over? Autumn and Judy run Volunteer PA now. Dawn and Charlie support the bully and testified on her behalf. Reji, Tristalyn, and Bobi are all afraid to speak up in fear that their local titleholders will get in trouble. The butler ladies could maybe do it. But at this point everyone is supporting the abuser by not speaking up and saying anything. The Miss Pa org is going to just collapse if this lawsuit goes through. Robyn will completely destroy the organization and everyone in it if she’s successful. (NT) -- No name, 18:25:38 09/06/24 Fri (ec2-18-212-37-70.compute-1.amazonaws.com/18.212.37.70) Oh the drama. No, Robyn will NOT "completely destroy the organization and everyone in it." The organization will destroy ITSELF and THEMSELVES if the allegations are true. Let's not shame the victim as if it's her fault the organization gets what's coming to it for being so insanely incompetent (NT) -- No name, 02:06:24 09/07/24 Sat (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) Sherri and Kathy were the smart ones walking away from this mess. They were both strong local directors with integrity. (NT) -- No name, 22:27:21 09/07/24 Sat (NoHost/37.120.202.143) Has Robyn filed her suit yet? I'm eager to read (NT) -- No name, 14:49:12 09/06/24 Fri (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) Not yet. I spoke to her yesterday, my daughter is also a victim of Victoria and previously filed a grievance to the PA org about her. Robyn and her team are working to pull everything together to prove Miss PA knew about the bullying for years before it got to the point of needing a restraining order. They just want everything lined up before officially filing. (NT) -- No name, 18:19:03 09/06/24 Fri (NoHost/107.123.17.114) Keep us posted! (NT) -- No name, 02:07:18 09/07/24 Sat (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) I WOULD FILE AGAINST MISS AMERICA while they still exist and have money (allegedly). ALSO, MA & Miss PA are required to have liability insurance for these things- file and get that insurance money! (NT) -- No name, 15:26:18 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93)

Subject: Let’s face it. Both Robin and Glenn are complete garbage. There is no winning in either outcome,
Author: You all know it. [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:12:13 09/09/24 Mon (NoHost/172.59.188.63) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I do not agree with this. You have fallen prey to the manipulation of a conman. Look up Straub's history and how he treats women. Robin is standing up for the mission of the organization we care about fighting back against his ridiculous claims of ownership. That takes courage given her opponent. No false equivalencies here please. (NT) -- No name, 12:46:22 09/10/24 Tue (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) In her own words, Robin said she agreed when taking over the reigns, that she would maintain the scholarships and the judging process. She has done neither. (NT) -- No name, 12:55:59 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.87.165) How so? She is entitled to decide how many scholarships and in what amounts are given. the awarding of scholarships is the key not the quantity. She has maintained the judging process which as you know has been tweaked many many times over the years. She has maintained the process. A change would be drawing the winner out of a hat. So she has fulfilled both those obligations. (NT) -- No name, 12:58:38 09/10/24 Tue (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) Thanks Robin. We have seen on the stand how you love to parse words. (NT) -- No name, 13:05:38 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.86.183) I agree with this statement 1000% The only women getting scholarships now are preliminary award winners and top 10. It's very sad. She makes all locals sign a license agreement agreeing to a MINIMUM of 5 judges, and last year she had THREE for Miss America, and most were from the USA program. She walks back on promises, and her word means nothing. (NT) -- No name, 13:58:50 09/10/24 Tue (marcuse.nos-oignons.net/178.20.55.16) I thought there were five judges last year. Four women and David Tetura (NT) -- No name, 10:32:48 09/11/24 Wed (syn-070-113-128-069.res.spectrum.com/70.113.128.69) Not true. Of the 51 national contestants only two are eligible to TRY and get the scholarships. The other runners up & ALL the prelim winners were not currently in school, so didn’t qualify. The Top 10 get nothing. Robin never announced winners for the People’s Choice or the Community Service scholarships. Madison isn’t able to collect any funds because of her service connection. The Non Finalists get nothing (NT) -- No name, 14:05:33 09/10/24 Tue (unknown.intelsat.com/164.86.38.212) Lol. I am not Robin. A former volunteer for a local but then had a family and now just a fan. Just trying to bring some objectivity to the vitriol spewed here. Some of you need to take a step back and check your entitlement at the door. New company. New ways of interpreting the mission. She can give one scholarship and meet the agreement. What was done in the past is not required. Maybe stop judging against the past which if I recall none of you here were happy about either. Some posters here are so triggered makes me curious as to why. (NT) -- No name, 14:11:25 09/10/24 Tue (pool-96-242-88-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net/96.242.88.28) Why do posters spew vitriol here and feel they are entitled to answers? (NT) -- No name, 15:31:46 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/98.39.54.124) you wait and see, there will not be 5 judges for Miss and Teen for Preliminary's and there will not be 10 minute Interviews once again, she will not be able to find the time in the schedule. She allowed the judges to attend the Red Gala and walk around. Coronation Parties, a total joke and waste of money, Only Top 5 announced, many were not in attendance. The list goes on and on. She is looking for the next girl that will save her organization. She preached "Her Story" all year, got her a winner with a "Her Story" and in the military, what will it be this year, a Cancer Survivor, Homeless Survivor, etc? (NT) -- No name, 08:28:13 09/11/24 Wed (216-163-16-82.ritternet.com/216.163.16.82)

Subject: Local Pageant Scholarships
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:45:46 09/02/24 Mon (NoHost/172.56.71.142) What is the minimum scholarship amount that is supposed to be given at locals currently? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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In my state, it’s $500 to each winner. (NT) -- No name, 14:56:20 09/02/24 Mon (NoHost/107.115.187.148) That random fact is not actually helpful information. Is there a minimum local/state award mandated in each franchise agreement, or are award amounts at the discretion of each local/state BOD? (NT) -- No name, 13:04:48 09/03/24 Tue (NoHost/172.59.79.212) According to you, how should the person have responded to this post? (NT) -- No name, 13:53:20 09/03/24 Tue (NoHost/98.39.54.124) Sorry if I was unclear. It's a contractual requirement to award $500 to each local Miss title. Everything else is at the local director's discretion. (NT) -- No name, 14:08:38 09/03/24 Tue (NoHost/51.89.225.174) unless you call it a festival title then you can give less (NT) -- No name, 09:14:40 09/04/24 Wed (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) The minimum used to be $100-now I am hearing locals are having trouble trying to raise $500 unless they get a business to sponsor (NT) -- No name, 22:17:51 09/10/24 Tue (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200)

Subject: Why are less girls wanting to compete for Miss America?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:39:54 09/04/24 Wed (173-27-77-79.client.mchsi.com/173.27.77.79) It is so hard to get anyone to compete anymore, and our locals are dying. The numbers at state have been decreasing year after year. I have my assumptions of why, but what do you think the reasoning for this is? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Too much drama and lack of leadership at the national level. Locals in my state are down to 7. Some give multiple titles. Then there is the buy in titles. It’s a sad reality MAO has hit a new low. Local orgs have slowly pulled back and stopped feeding the animal. (NT) -- No name, 20:44:46 09/04/24 Wed (syn-071-073-049-249.res.spectrum.com/71.73.49.249) Locals are dying big time in Michigan. None of the locals have direct Google websites anymore, just Facebook (NT) -- No name, 22:17:39 09/04/24 Wed (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) With the loss of TV coverage - fewer and fewer girls & sponsors know about the program anymore. -- No name, 05:22:49 09/05/24 Thu (c-73-180-55-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net/73.180.55.154) In my opinion - the cost and lack of inclusivity (NT) -- No name, 09:27:07 09/05/24 Thu (syn-047-231-178-134.res.spectrum.com/47.231.178.134) Young women these days don’t need to secure celebrity status or earn money through a pageant. They can use social media and also with all the contest shows, Americas got talent, the voice, etc (NT) -- No name, 11:40:30 09/05/24 Thu (NoHost/207.193.220.28) The COST...It's 1) too expensive to compete in a local and 2) too expensive to put on a local -- No name, 11:46:00 09/05/24 Thu (ws162-209.cse.msstate.edu/130.18.209.162) Why would anyone compete in a program with such shady characters running the show at the national level? MAO is now at the mercy of a court to decide who is right or wrong in a Sugar Daddy/Bimbo dispute. (NT) -- No name, 13:46:26 09/05/24 Thu (183.sub-174-238-103.myvzw.com/174.238.103.183) so many reasons they don't want to compete. So why would someone want to direct? You have to BEG for contestants and then you get crickets. I have more respect for someone that can say no, instead of no communication. Plus it is expensive and getting worse every year (NT) -- No name, 14:34:16 09/05/24 Thu (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254) Why would anyone want to compete in this dumpster fire. The organization doesn't even know who owns it. It's a below average pageant now, and a joke in the pageant world. The cost, unsure future, embarrassing national image, are just a few. (NT) -- No name, 21:11:23 09/05/24 Thu (104-7-243-204.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net/104.7.243.204) Too expensive…no real scholarship…and there’s no standard to go by (NT) -- No name, 21:26:39 09/05/24 Thu (c-73-142-196-158.hsd1.ct.comcast.net/73.142.196.158) Why would you want to be Miss America? Madison is a perfect example. She is interrupting a very busy life; her relationship and will not receive one penny for all the time she has to give MAO. I truly don’t get it (NT) -- No name, 07:59:04 09/06/24 Fri (198.55.47.66.xchangetele.com/198.55.47.66) What proof do you have that she is not getting one penny? (NT) -- No name, 08:09:09 09/06/24 Fri (NoHost/128.163.239.166) Her military status does not allow her to accept any financial payments. No salary No scholarship. The perfect winner for a near bankrupt MAO (NT) -- No name, 12:17:22 09/06/24 Fri (NoHost/216.250.210.173) Our girls stilll want to be Miss State. They win lots of scholarships, have fun, make friends and JT is only one year. Young people are not all craving a full tune job immediately after college. They love the experience. Not saying it is easy, but recruitment happens on local and state levels (NT) -- No name, 08:07:37 09/06/24 Fri (c-68-63-16-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net/68.63.16.3) States are so weak now that even girls w moles on their face win. Get that thing removed if you’re going to compete. (NT) -- No name, 09:08:28 09/06/24 Fri (231.sub-174-192-8.myvzw.com/174.192.8.231) ?????????????????? This is the hill you want to die on? (NT) -- No name, 13:53:07 09/06/24 Fri (c-50-169-229-90.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.169.229.90) Oh get lost, Oh Perfect One. My God, it's 2024. Stop living in the damn 50s and get with the times. Gone are the days of Stepford Wives who've all have Chicklets for teeth, hair teased to the heavens, and wearing their St. John Knit suits with platform heels and their face contoured like Skeletar (NT) -- No name, 14:42:59 09/06/24 Fri (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) Imagine how much more successful Marilyn Monroe, Cindy Crawford, Paula Abdul, Scarlett Johansson, Elizabeth Taylor and Goldie Hawn would have been if not for those darned moles on their faces..... (NT) -- No name, 16:51:58 09/06/24 Fri (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) Too expensive and decreased opportunities. The teens that went to nationals got ZERO. (except a limited few.) Used to be that everyone got something - $1500+. The only scholarship was to Alabama. MAO nationals gave zero. Add to that there was sketchy judging (3 judges is unheard of) and the cost was excessive and it just isn't the great program it used to be (NT) -- No name, 22:01:10 09/06/24 Fri (NoHost/172.56.217.161) Too many states are fixed. Fresh, new girls don't have a chance unless they pay their dues. The cost to compete is not worth the ROI for scholarship dollars. (NT) -- No name, 11:15:12 09/07/24 Sat (syn-104-230-255-036.res.spectrum.com/104.230.255.36) Let's be real. For about 95% of the contestants, the cost to compete was never worth the ROI. That may have played a role for the girls with no pageant experience, but that certainly wasn't the case for the "pageant girls" especially when the same girls will pay thousands to compete at State USA with zero dollars unless they're in top 5. The reason participation is down is because of lack of promotion and absolute chaos (NT) -- No name, 12:35:24 09/07/24 Sat (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) Exactly....this whole scholarship business was just a good PR line. The pageants success really depended upon having a lot of Suzanne Sugarbaker clones who just liked to get dressed up, compete, and collect crowns. And there is certainly no harm in that. It's just that there are very few Suzanne Sugarbaker's left. The world has become a different place. (NT) -- No name, 14:11:54 09/07/24 Sat (syn-065-188-072-049.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.49) Dallas/park cities in TX has around 20 girls competing in Miss . (NT) -- TX must be doing something right!, 20:26:56 09/07/24 Sat (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) 99% of the Texas contestants compete in the metroplex where a vast majority of the locals are located. In Texas, girls compete every weekend until a title is one, for the most part. (NT) -- KGS, 15:36:30 09/08/24 Sun (107-128-0-95.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net/107.128.0.95) And it looks like the new Park Cities titleholder is from CO, who took over CO state title after CO won Miss America. (NT) -- Not sure about the teens. Not that many competed, 17:24:53 09/08/24 Sun (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) Different Sarah Swift (NT) -- No name, 04:44:11 09/09/24 Mon (131.sub-174-192-4.myvzw.com/174.192.4.131) No its not (NT) -- No name, 09:30:26 09/09/24 Mon (syn-072-238-223-039.res.spectrum.com/72.238.223.39) Because everyone within the pageant community knows that Miss America is a complete mess. We don't know if there will even be a pageant, and if there is, there are no more scholarships. It's thousands and thousands of dollars for a girl to compete at MA, with nothing in return other than the experience. (NT) -- And Robin has shown no interest in conducting the pageant fairly, which runs girls off, 16:20:55 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) How do you gather the pageant isn't operated fairly under Robin? (NT) -- No name, 16:28:03 09/08/24 Sun (104-179-20-249.lightspeed.lsvlky.sbcglobal.net/104.179.20.249) #1 Having your personal friends judge is completely unacceptable. #2 It's also inappropriate for Robin to expect the pageant community to just trust that she's not influencing those 3 friends in who to pick, or NOT pick. With her dictatorial behavior to the EDs, it's not unreasonable to expect she would blackball a contestant/ state. A 'there will be payback' attitude has no place in a fair pageants. #3 Placement matters, maybe not so much for the winners, but for finalists & semi-finalists. The one-day marathon interview session is unfair to the girls earlier in the lineup. It exhausts the judges and is naturally difficult to distinguish between 52 contestants, all in a row. That also goes for #3, the marathon talent expo. All of these subtly affect scores and they add up. These actions show Robin has no interest in even the appearance of conducting a fair pageant. (NT) -- No name, 17:44:15 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) I completely agree with everyone thing you said here. I've often wondered why we have to be so particular with who we choose as local judges, when at the national level they don't even have the required number and often their choices are questionable. There is no way, no way, I would sit through a preliminary night of 52 talents, one after another. Same goes with having all of the other preliminary categories on one night. I don't understand why they can't go back to having 3 nights of preliminary competition, with the teen preliminaries during the day, with a different set of judges. The final teen competiton could be the next day and the final Miss competiton the day after that. (NT) -- No name, 23:49:31 09/08/24 Sun (184-100-144-50.lcrs.qwest.net/184.100.144.50) I remember when I first read that the only scholarships awarded this ear would be to the Top 5. I really didn't pay it that much attention because I thought surely State EDs would not stand for that. I would have thought the whole pageant would have just imploded. But no, everyone just got in line with the new victim. It's kind of like sheep being led to the slaughter. (NT) -- No name, 08:31:48 09/09/24 Mon (syn-065-188-072-043.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.43) Cor: "year" "dictum" (NT) -- No name, 08:37:02 09/09/24 Mon (syn-065-188-072-043.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.43) Lots of reasons: you don’t get back much in scholarships for what you put in and pageants are just out of style. The general consensus is that they are a waste of time . (NT) -- No name, 10:01:43 09/09/24 Mon (h42.135.184.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/173.184.135.42) The ROI has diminished. And truly what would attract someone who doesn’t around pageants to starting? The entry to even competing in pageants is too high to attract new girls (NT) -- No name, 10:38:49 09/09/24 Mon (NoHost/104.28.76.234) And let’s look at the treatment of contestants across states over the years. There’s a reason not many contestants return to be volunteers (NT) -- No name, 10:39:50 09/09/24 Mon (NoHost/104.28.76.232) Miss University of Alabama is this weekend. They have 18 contestants. Several former state teen winners from Alabama, Iowa, Georgia, Illinois, Michigan, and maybe more I didn’t recognize. On their Facebook and Instagram. (NT) -- No name, 14:21:42 09/09/24 Mon (92.sub-174-229-29.myvzw.com/174.229.29.92) Too many changes year to year ... no one knows what MAO is all about anymore... there are LOTS of other activities for girls to do and they're busy. (NT) -- No name, 15:08:47 09/09/24 Mon (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) Only two runners up, who were currently in school QUALIFIED to get paid scholarships at Miss America. Did they get paid? I do not know. Madison is unable to receive any monies due to her military connection. That means zero. No scholarships. No salary. Has Robin paid the two runners up yet?? $20K is all that COULD have been given out (NT) -- No name, 13:26:13 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/216.250.207.181) why does that matter, we just said most don't do it for the POI they do it because they enjoy it, but there are fewer girls that want to (NT) -- No name, 13:33:17 09/10/24 Tue (69-9-235-254-dynamic.midco.net/69.9.235.254)

Subject: Local Directors, what has your state done to address with you the current the MAO situation? Game plan? Money allocation concerns, etc?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:43:40 09/09/24 Mon (c-68-83-61-250.hsd1.nj.comcast.net/68.83.61.250) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Nothing - we are a "do as we're told" state and never question the powers that be. We're a nobody state that follows the dumb rules for some reason thinking MAO is watching us like a hawk when they probably can't even find us on a map. (NT) -- No name, 15:21:58 09/09/24 Mon (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) For sure she can't find you on the map, but make no mistake - she's watching. The smaller "nobody" states are the ones she knows she can easily target. If you don't worsip at the altar of Robin she will put a big 'ol target on your back. (NT) -- No name, 12:01:01 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/139.71.144.4) All volunteers on every level need to look Robin’s name up on that Palm Beach court website. I had no idea how many legal actions she has been involved in INCLUDING a domestic action against her former husband. People need to start speaking up. Robin needs to go ! (NT) -- No name, 10:30:52 09/10/24 Tue (75-104-95-136.mobility.exede.net/75.104.95.136)

Subject: Yahoo article about pageant fashion

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I cannot find it now to link it but maybe someone else can. Earlier today on Yahoo, there was a story that had been reprinted from a magazine. I think the magazine was called Todo, but don't quote me on that. Anyway, the article was about Miss America fashion trends and it was incredibly detailed, and featured photos from the very beginning and even included some non-winners. So any of you who are into fashion might enjoy it if someone can find it and post a link. Now for the bad news........THE MISTAKES!!! For example how many of you knew that Halle Berry was second runner-up to Miss America? And what a surprise to find out that Caressa Cameron was the first Miss Virginia to win Miss America? Interesting article but I would not be surprised if there are other blunders.

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Subject: Miss Delaware USA 2018 appearing on Survivor
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:08:12 09/10/24 Tue (NoHost/180.190.30.183) Former Miss Delaware USA 2018 Sierra Wright will appear on Survivor next week. Her shots in the show looks adorable. https://ew.com/survivor-47-cast-contestants-revealed-photos-bios-8704968 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Miss Hawaii 2024 Telecast - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmFJdX16guM
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:02:55 09/09/24 Mon (75-30-250-233.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net/75.30.250.233) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: OK If Robin says she has $10M-where did it come from?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:20:40 09/01/24 Sun (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) Certainly not from LCH!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I would like to know, also. (NT) -- No name, 14:52:09 09/02/24 Mon (NoHost/167.172.237.126) Could this be another one of her lies? (NT) -- No name, 00:19:02 09/03/24 Tue (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) In the early days, Robin frequently talked about having enough money to run MAO for another hundred years. What is clearer now is that Robin wants to only use MAO as her cash cow, spending only $100 of her own money (NT) -- No name, 20:34:41 09/03/24 Tue (NoHost/172.58.241.217) The question is where does she plan on getting the money for the pageant on the dates she just set and released? (NT) -- No name, 21:12:38 09/03/24 Tue (NoHost/172.56.71.142) This is the stupidest summary I've ever read. MAO will NEVER be a cash cow. It's not a business model that will do anything but break even, at least for the foreseeable future. This is not at all what she meant when she said MAO would have enough money for 100 years.. She was referring to having 'ol Glenn as the financier/banker and the $100 was to transfer the assets. I've done that before with a company asset transfer. Go take a business class and touch grass. (NT) -- No name, 21:14:54 09/03/24 Tue (91.sub-174-224-196.myvzw.com/174.224.196.91) Don’t shout at us. It didn’t take us 10 years to obtain an undergraduate degree. (NT) -- No name, 22:23:07 09/03/24 Tue (NoHost/172.58.240.245) This is the stupidest reply I have ever heard. No professional leader with a business sense would ever discuss how much money they have to operate the business who isn't truly the owner. If you took a business class, you'd learn that when all your debt was paid, you then broke even. Any company can be profitable but what is done with that profit can be your downfall. Regardless what team you are batting for, the pain of going from Nonprofit to profit for those long haulers in this beautiful brand, is at the consumers expense to fuel the organization. Therefore, we are all paying the salaries and pageant expenses in a debt free organization. (NT) -- No name, 10:33:09 09/04/24 Wed (NoHost/203.23.178.77) Was this written by AI? It doesn't make sense. (NT) -- "No professional leader... would ever..." is the No True Scotsman logical fallacy, 15:32:03 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) But things have changed drastically as a for profit. Robin didn't pay out any scholarships, so they are no longer a cost to her. She receives money from: ticket sales from all the weeks activities, prelims and finals tickets, pageant streaming sales, program book ad sales, a cut of state entry fees, all the national entry fees, a cut of the AHA fundraising kickbacks from Henri's, kickbacks from Rebel, all the extraneous expenses she asks of the states throughout the year, and MA merch profits. Her costs are staff, setting/ printing the program book, and event site rental and staging. The states and girls/parents are funding the program entirely and in return they get to compete for Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 15:58:25 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) Forgot that Robin receives the Miss America Foundation donations as well. (NT) -- No name, 16:12:32 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) Don't forget the State Licensing Fees!! She's busy collecting those as we speak! (NT) -- No name, 18:29:00 09/09/24 Mon (NoHost/139.71.144.6) Has a forensic audit ever been done on her finances? (NT) -- No name, 03:53:46 09/04/24 Wed (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) We don't even need to stress over what she says. She doesn't own it. Maybe she managed to dig up millions from another one of her victims but it won't matter (NT) -- No name, 10:58:27 09/04/24 Wed (NoHost/108.165.106.71) Well I'm sure the ugly swimsuits and crap they unveiled last week will bring in LOTS of money!! I mean seriously, that merch is cringy. (NT) -- No name, 11:26:02 09/04/24 Wed (NoHost/139.71.144.5) I love it all minus the swimsuits (NT) -- No name, 11:45:03 09/04/24 Wed (NoHost/128.163.239.166) OMG i just went and looked at it. It's awful. It doesnt even look like the brand much less something someone would be proud to own. Love the vintage but everything else looks cheap and unrelated. I would really love to hear from contestants on this board more cause they need to really understand what they are signing themselves up for. (NT) -- No name, 13:10:23 09/04/24 Wed (ec2-15-160-176-47.eu-south-1.compute.amazonaws.com/15.160.176.47) Designs looks like a fourth of July at old navy to me. Where's the MAO logo and pageant design??? (NT) -- No name, 14:30:43 09/04/24 Wed (NoHost/172.56.203.177) I think there has been a purposeful move away - and I don't think it's a good thing. Seriously, "Miss America Social Club"? "American Queen" with some ugly sketch? And the swimsuits are just so bad - like the factory making all the other stuff had them leftover and offered them for 50 cents a piece. And I don't even know what to say about the Mu Alpha Sigma stuff - remember the call where Robin didn't even know what they meant?? Maybe she should focus less on creating ugly swimsuits and more on gathering the requested documents for court. (NT) -- No name, 14:23:36 09/06/24 Fri (NoHost/139.71.144.5) Bring back the Ada Duckett "supersuits"-anyone remember those? (NT) -- No name, 02:34:50 09/07/24 Sat (syn-035-150-243-200.res.spectrum.com/35.150.243.200) You people do realize that Robin does not have to report to a Board of Directors, she runs the show herself, she reports to no one (NT) -- No name, 11:22:59 09/09/24 Mon (108-239-242-250.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net/108.239.242.250) What we know realize is the above list of all the monies Robin takes from every section of this organization. WHOEVER COMPLIED THAT is brilliant (NT) -- No name, 17:46:34 09/09/24 Mon (NoHost/50.118.196.194)

Subject: VP hopeful JD Vance picking on / embarrasing Miss SCTeenUSA, Caitlin Upton..no one bullies our girls (except us ❤️ )
Author: Leave Caitlin alone 💜 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:53:52 08/29/24 Thu (NoHost/104.28.116.97) https://x.com/JDVance/status/1829256147225977310 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Yeah....leave her alone, such as. We don't need no maps. We are not going back to the Iraq! (NT) -- No name, 10:59:35 08/30/24 Fri (syn-065-188-072-044.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.44) Guess you, like Mr Vance, have no decency- https://www.rawstory.com/amp/jd-vance-women-2669104229-2669104229 (NT) -- No name, 11:20:09 08/30/24 Fri (NoHost/104.28.116.92) That was not a slam towards Caitlin. She has long gotten over that incident. She also jokes about it herself now. (NT) -- No name, 11:35:48 08/30/24 Fri (syn-065-188-072-044.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.44) Not according to her X post yesterday (NT) -- No name, 12:48:28 08/31/24 Sat (syn-172-254-022-154.biz.spectrum.com/172.254.22.154) She has expressed her sadness and disappointment this is in the news again, and then closed her twitter account. (NT) -- No name, 16:32:59 08/31/24 Sat (syn-071-073-192-044.res.spectrum.com/71.73.192.44) So wouldn't think she "jokes about it herself now" You aren't as close to her as you are portraying. (NT) -- No name, 16:40:02 08/31/24 Sat (syn-172-254-022-154.biz.spectrum.com/172.254.22.154) Of course she did. It's humiliating. She bummed an OSQ and it is forever on the internet. She wants to get over it, and then this jerk JDV brings it all back. And is completely unapologetic about it. How can anyone vote for this ticket??? They are awful to women. (NT) -- No name, 16:51:17 08/31/24 Sat (NoHost/149.115.99.137) You pageant peeps are crazy enough. Leave politics out of the craziness (NT) -- No name, 11:39:22 08/30/24 Fri (NoHost/172.58.255.187) Not sure it was politics driven - us "pageant peeps" continue to care about (or should) those harmed by the public. Who knows, Caitlin got over it - cuz the last bullying was 15 years ago ... now she has a whole new life & boom .. oh YOU are that dumbass from South Carolina... (NT) -- No name, 19:33:01 08/30/24 Fri (NoHost/104.28.116.85) I was alarmed when Vance in an interview was told that she was suicidal from that experience, and now that "the answer" is back in the spotlight and reignited the humiliation she went through, he wouldn't even apologize. Just say "Sorry, it wasn't meant to cause harm, and I am sorry if it has caused any pain". But no. Double down on the nastiness. (NT) -- She's apparently MAGA, so I guess she's used to being put down by men in her circle., 04:12:19 08/31/24 Sat (NoHost/149.115.99.137) You do remember that the man who brutally mocked her was Jimmy Kimmel, right? Not years later, but days. So well before she had time to recover and while she was still a teen. And if I am not mistaken he leans left. Your outrage is selective. (NT) -- No name, 08:09:59 08/31/24 Sat (c-73-192-6-183.hsd1.fl.comcast.net/73.192.6.183) So all you have is "whataboutism" from a comedian 17 yrs ago? You are on a pageant board, and ALL of us have flubbed OSQ, though probably not as bad as Caite Upton. She was viralled and became suicidal due to the publicity. Now the person running as Vice President brings this all back, and when told that it caused her suicidality he refused to even apologize and even had a smirk on his face. A clearly ugly misogynist. So stop with your whataboutisms, mmkay? (NT) -- No name, 16:44:44 08/31/24 Sat (NoHost/149.115.99.137) Very disappointed in your choice of words, including "suicidality," which you just made up. But also "misogyny," which is a hatred of women. Do you actually think he would approve of a teenage boy not being able to answer the question? That he didn't like Caitlin's answer because he hates women? "Clearly ugly?" IMHO if your State doesn't allow abortions, then go to another State to get the procedure. Somebody will pay for it for you, but why wreck the Country because of your minor inconvenience. Carry on. (NT) -- No name, 17:01:43 08/31/24 Sat (c-76-31-134-123.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/76.31.134.123) Suicidality is a word, genius. Not surprised you don't know that given that you took the time to chime in with a delusion that the idiot (oops, I mean MAGAt) ticket isn't woman-hating. But hey, go ahead and vote for an insurrectionist and rapist and his mysoginistic side kick under the guise of "saving the country." Freaking moron (NT) -- No name, 19:15:07 08/31/24 Sat (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) Now you have gone to far!I'm not a political person at all. But calling someone an " Insurrectionist" without proof, is a serious accusation. This is liable and slanderous on your part. My goodness! (NT) -- No name, 23:16:11 08/31/24 Sat (NoHost/91.90.123.213) The public shaming of others because they have a different political opinion is a form of persecution and demonstrates your intolerance. (NT) -- No name, 00:10:44 09/01/24 Sun (NoHost/37.120.143.86) It actually demonstrates good sense, but thanks for playing (NT) -- No name, 01:22:08 09/01/24 Sun (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) No, it's not. Calling out others' bad behavior is not persecution; it's holding them accountable. Being shamed for supporting a porn-star cheating rapist is absolutely appropriate. (NT) -- No name, 17:45:55 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) Trump is an insurrectionist. That is a fact (NT) -- No name, 01:21:34 09/01/24 Sun (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) Great the political hijacker is back! (NT) -- No name, 01:29:36 09/01/24 Sun (NoHost/37.120.143.86) They didn't call YOU an insurrectionist; they said Trump is an insurrectionist. Your anger is making you error. (NT) -- No name, 16:35:41 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) This is why politics needs to kept out of the craziness (NT) -- No name, 23:21:05 08/31/24 Sat (NoHost/98.39.54.124) The public shaming of others because they have a different political opinion is a form of persecution and demonstrates your intolerance. (NT) -- No name, 00:04:38 09/01/24 Sun (NoHost/37.120.143.86) The post above is a duplicate post! Please ignore it! (NT) -- No name, 00:17:58 09/01/24 Sun (NoHost/37.120.143.86) For the love of the world! Please just stop already with all the political nonsense! Ain't nobody got time for that! We all are too busy trying to pay our bills, now that a gallon of milk is over $5 and a loaf of bread is $4.65 and gas is over $4 a gallon. Rent is now over $3k for a 2 bedroom apartment. More and more restaurant's and major retailers had to close their doors because of the failing Economy. The homeless population has increased to levels never seen in America history. Most people"s utilities bill is half of their rent. Inflation keeps going up. These are all facts that most people are having to deal with! (NT) -- No name, 04:05:14 09/01/24 Sun (NoHost/96.0.24.61) And they have nothing at all to do with politics? Tell me you're an airhead without telling me you're an airhead. I'm sure as hell better off now than I was 2017 - 2021 and so is the country. I shall vote accordingly (NT) -- No name, 11:20:17 09/01/24 Sun (ip52.ip-167-114-11.net/167.114.11.52) They everything to politics! That's HER JOB! She's the VP! she's been in office for almost 4 years! (NT) -- No name, 13:49:40 09/01/24 Sun (NoHost/37.120.143.87) Tell me you are Whitebread Privilege without saying you're Whitebread Privilege! Some of us have to work for a living and live in the real world! (NT) -- No name, 14:00:00 09/01/24 Sun (NoHost/37.120.143.87) So it's the party of Trump that's AGAINST white privilege? Really? Hypocrites, every single one of you idiots (NT) -- No name, 14:46:26 09/01/24 Sun (ip77.ip-198-50-155.net/198.50.155.77) Actually that would be you! You are the one saying it! (NT) -- No name, 16:04:31 09/01/24 Sun (NoHost/96.0.24.106) What does that comment have to do with pageants (NT) -- No name, 18:24:47 09/02/24 Mon (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) You are aware that the Preside at the beginning of Every Year gives Congress a budget! In that little budget thing, it has taxes, loan rates,etc. ( airhead stuff like that)! The President is literally in charge of setting the rules of our Economy! (NT) -- No name, 15:41:41 09/01/24 Sun (NoHost/96.0.24.106) *******Typo President. (NT) -- No name, 15:47:02 09/01/24 Sun* (NoHost/96.0.24.106) Oh dear. The President sets the rules for the FEDERAL budget, not the price of milk. There's a little thing called the stock market, a little thing called supply and demand, a little thing called labor force. The President does not set the "rules" (whatever that means) for anything. And while we're at it, that budget is set by Congress and the President together and has the been cause of multiple shut downs over the years when they couldn't agree. Ok? Now that we're done with Civics 101, can we get back to pageantry? (NT) -- No name, 23:25:34 09/01/24 Sun (bhs3.nux.net/54.39.48.111) Thank you so much for your intelligent response!!! As I have said, ignorance is a thing and it is an even bigger thing now that people can show their ignorance to the public by posting on blogs and groups. (NT) -- No name, 11:27:57 09/03/24 Tue (syn-070-113-128-069.res.spectrum.com/70.113.128.69) But wait I thought the issue was price gouging? (NT) -- No name, 18:20:06 09/03/24 Tue (NoHost/104.28.110.99) It is. The CEO of Kroger admitted under deposition that Kroger had jacked-up prices on milk, eggs, & other products during Covid and beyond. You want to get sick to your stomach? Look how much big oil gouged us for! (NT) -- No name, 16:50:28 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) And what does your comment have to do with pageants (NT) -- No name, 18:28:43 09/02/24 Mon (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) And what do your comments have to do with pageants? JDV literally brought pageantry into the political realm. It's silly of you to think we won't talk about it on a pageantry board. (NT) -- No name, 03:54:16 09/03/24 Tue (NoHost/149.115.99.137) To the Poster wanting to stop this political nonsense. Will a 34 time convicted felony who never went to the grocery store or filled up a tank of gas in their life gonna solve your problems? (NT) -- No name, 12:45:54 09/01/24 Sun (syn-172-254-022-154.biz.spectrum.com/172.254.22.154) Lol you are so funny! Please stop already, your privilege is showing! You think your 543 million Harris got your back! Lol! You go girl! (NT) -- No name, 13:46:15 09/01/24 Sun (NoHost/37.120.143.87) What? (NT) -- No name, 14:47:11 09/01/24 Sun (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) What does this comment have to do with pageants (NT) -- No name, 18:33:44 09/02/24 Mon (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) Cruel comment and no remorse. This man is not ready for prime time and should retreat to his grandparents basement. (NT) -- sonia, 13:04:21 09/01/24 Sun (ool-182dea82.dyn.optonline.net/24.45.234.130) Like the democrats hide in the basement , take our money and let the veterans homeless on the streets (NT) -- No name, 05:52:26 09/02/24 Mon (50-32-55-45.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net/50.32.55.45) if you are going to try to throw a political dagger, at least get your facts straight. Veteran homelessness has declined significantly under Biden. And nobody cares about your stupid MAGA opinions. (NT) -- sonia, 08:22:06 09/02/24 Mon (ool-182dea82.dyn.optonline.net/24.45.234.130) And their VP choice is a freak who gripes about anything trans, anti-LGBT, and can’t pick a decent eyeliner and thinks we don’t notice. Pathetic homophobe. (NT) -- No name, 19:03:28 09/03/24 Tue (pool-173-79-116-75.washdc.fios.verizon.net/173.79.116.75) What?? FACT- ALL of the Republicans voted AGAINST funding our Veterans! (NT) -- No name, 16:54:04 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) There are many responses to this post that have nothing to do with pageants… I can see why someone posted not to bring politics into the “so called” discussion… Messes everything up (NT) -- No name, 18:39:44 09/02/24 Mon (c-50-172-181-106.unallocated.comcastbusiness.net/50.172.181.106) Here is the real issue. If you are on a sinking boat and you have to decide between electrocution or a shark, how many women would Hannibal Lecter grab by the pu$$y while.my wife is breastfeeding my baby and I am in a porn star’s bedroom anf I cofafe… schmur… oranges… oranges… oranges. (NT) -- No name, 19:39:38 09/03/24 Tue (h73.138.21.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.21.138.73) Gross unnecessary comment (NT) -- No name, 19:49:33 09/03/24 Tue (NoHost/98.39.54.124) But every word spoken by your candidate. 😏 (NT) -- No name, 20:31:39 09/03/24 Tue (h73.138.21.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.21.138.73) Harris/Waltz are liars and she now is a southerner with a heavy accent. (NT) -- No name, 05:41:44 09/04/24 Wed (50-32-55-45.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net/50.32.55.45) Somebody watches FOX. New talking point as y’all search for a way to make Trump seem tolerable (NT) -- No name, 09:30:24 09/04/24 Wed (NoHost/172.58.240.228) I'd vote for a liar over a RAPIST any day of the week. And that goes for his Weird AF homophobic eye-liner wearing sidekick too (NT) -- No name, 11:16:20 09/04/24 Wed (syn-072-187-151-082.res.spectrum.com/72.187.151.82) OMG. Trump's campaign has NO IDEA how to position against Kamala. Do you think that young Americans, who are registering to vote in droves, don't understand code switching? You're mischaracterizing it as lying, when it's actually social engineering and perfectly acceptable. And she went to Howard. I'm sure she lived amongst plenty of Southern girls there, and picked up some Southern code there. (NT) -- Girls speak differently in interview than they do irl, 17:06:32 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93)

Subject: Does anyone know if the dates for Miss America have been put in hold??
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:35:32 09/04/24 Wed (99-187-158-0.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net/99.187.158.0) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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That’s the rumor that the dates will change! Very unorganized and no leadership! How can you plan?? (NT) -- No name, 09:45:47 09/05/24 Thu (99-187-158-0.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net/99.187.158.0) Rumor from who? (NT) -- No name, 10:55:20 09/05/24 Thu (104-179-20-249.lightspeed.lsvlky.sbcglobal.net/104.179.20.249) Most longtime attendees are skipping January. Too much uncertainty & drama. Save your money (NT) -- No name, 16:39:52 09/05/24 Thu (198.55.47.66.xchangetele.com/198.55.47.66) Says who? All of our regular gang is going (NT) -- No name, 16:41:32 09/05/24 Thu (13.indianapolis-10rh16rt-11rh15rt.in.dial-access.att.net/12.74.54.13) I'll bet you would have still been playing Shuffleboard as the Titantic went down. Bless your heart! (NT) -- No name, 08:39:28 09/06/24 Fri (syn-065-188-072-036.wifi.spectrum.com/65.188.72.36) Wow… what a mean spirited and snarky comment shaking my head in disbelief (NT) -- No name, 09:35:07 09/06/24 Fri (NoHost/98.39.54.124) Does your gang include that Robin kiss ass? Will she be in Orlando controlling everyone's behavior there? (NT) -- No name, 16:06:48 09/08/24 Sun (syn-172-254-022-154.biz.spectrum.com/172.254.22.154)

Subject: HOla! Just back from a very long vacation with my entire family spending a few weeks in Spain and Portugal. Saved for many years to go and it was worth it. But now I am back and reading such nonsense here again. I understand Glenn has his band of minions here posting stuff to create chaos and distrust but for those with a brain let's discuss: 1) It is no one's business where anyone "gets their money." Why do you think you are entitled to know how much money someone has? Or the source of someone's net worth? So immature. 2)Lawyers bring motions instead of producing documents when they think there is a legal argument to make on relevancy, immateriality, confidentiality etc. I listened to the hearing and Straub did not testify. if he could withstand a perjury charge by telling the truth uder oath one would assume he would have testified but he didn't so people can draw their own conclusions. There was reference to a deposition by his controller who stated under oath
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:02:23 09/04/24 Wed (mail82.anonymouse.org/193.200.150.82) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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that there WAS NO AUDIT DONE AND THEREFORE NO FINDING OF ANY MISDEEDS MUCH LEFT MISUE OR MISAPPROPRIATION OF FUNDS BY ROBIN. That FACT in Evidence would make Straub's request for financial information irrelevant as that claim has not been proven. Straub has the burden of proof and he failed therefore documents related to that claim arguably would be immaterial as there is nothing for them to relate to. Robin is therefore within her rights to object to having to produce irrelevant material. Straub had to prove his claims and he failed to do so and in fact his top financial officer disputes his claim. Understand how this works? (NT) -- No name, 16:08:08 09/04/24 Wed (mail82.anonymouse.org/193.200.150.82) 3) Ask yourself why this upstanding, transparent businessman would not take the stand to prove his case? He brought the allegations yet he puts on the stand his "lawyer" who claimed with a straight face that he could not produce the meta data for the operating agreement they claim proves ownership because his laptop was stolen in Ecuador. That is the digital version of my dog ate my homework, right? Police in Ecuador report filed? No evidence-contemporary or after the fact- of that. Insurance claim filed? No evidence of that presented. But lawyers in Florida have to keep all documents related to LLC's or corporations etc for 7 years by law as well as under the code of ethics. So unless he does not have a network and only one laptop he has violated both the legal and ethical requirements of preservation of documents. (NT) -- No name, 16:18:56 09/04/24 Wed (mail82.anonymouse.org/193.200.150.82) 4) This is a for profit company. Why do you think you are entitled to demand things from Robin including her financials? This is not a not for profit where you can ask for its tax returns. If you gave money you got something for it. A ticket, a program book, a license to operate. Did you donate to the scholarship fund? Just trying to understand why you think you can demand things of her and when she runs her business her way you bitch and moan. There are lots of organizations who would love your time and money. Go there. Sorry, don't mean to be harsh but the sense of entitlement on this board is out of whack. Just FYI. This is not the old MAO. Any committees or processes that that old board had in place do not carry forward here unless Robin decides to create something anew that is similar. (NT) -- No name, 16:23:16 09/04/24 Wed (mail82.anonymouse.org/193.200.150.82) 5) Now I looked at the things posted here and showed them to a couple of actual lawyers. Their questions to me were the same. How does a lawyer's email to another lawyer make it onto an anonymous message board unless it was "leaked" you know, given to someone outside the intended recipients to post here. That evidences the fact that Straub's team is using this board and all of you for its disinformation campaign. Maybe there are only a few people posting here using different IPs or VPNs. But understand that if a subpoena is issued you can run but you cannot hide. 6) I hope what ever disagreement or dislike you have for Robin does not blind you to the threat that in my opinion ownership by someone like Straub poses to the women who enter this program and to its legacy. I for one will let the evidence speak and not play the telephone game nor allow people who have their own agenda color the information. The truth will set you free. (NT) -- No name, 16:28:02 09/04/24 Wed (mail82.anonymouse.org/193.200.150.82) What email from one attorney to another are you even talking about? I don't recall seeing anything like that. What has been posted is information publicly available on the clerk of courts site. If I'm overlooking some privileged information that got posted, please refresh my memory (NT) -- No name, 14:29:22 09/06/24 Fri (NoHost/139.71.144.5) Who's to say Robin's side didn't leak the letter? You talk very assuredly, based on nothing. (NT) -- No name, 14:58:33 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) Is it cold over in Germany this time of year? I know it’s getting late (NT) -- No name, 16:30:01 09/04/24 Wed (NoHost/172.58.240.154) never been to Germany. Will put it on our bucket list. (NT) -- No name, 11:18:41 09/07/24 Sat (mail125.anonymouse.org/193.200.150.125) They are using a VPN based out of Germany. They could literally be anywhere in the world. (NT) -- No name, 15:00:15 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93)

Subject: Today is Miss America’s 103rd birthday!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:27:56 09/08/24 Sun (syn-172-254-044-186.biz.spectrum.com/172.254.44.186) What is your wish for the organization’s upcoming year ? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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That Miss America goes under and greedy scum bags like Robin are out, so those who truly care about MA will be able to start a new org, unencumbered by the grift and cheating of the last 3 CEOs. (NT) -- No name, 14:23:27 09/08/24 Sun (static-198-54-130-93.cust.tzulo.com/198.54.130.93) They did It is Miss volunteerer (NT) -- No name, 14:58:54 09/08/24 Sun (85.sub-174-193-194.myvzw.com/174.193.194.85)

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